[Log started by neild Thu May  6 02:03:25 1999]

Rob says, "heh!"
Duchess poses (to SF): Duchess grins
Adam says (to April), "Yeah, I know.  Mainly I just shy away from using
  handles that don't sound like names"
Grocible asks, "neild; are there any exceptions to this useful rule?"
Grocible says, "adam: Grocible sounds like a name to me. you're just
  plain.... weird, adam!"
April says (to Adam), "Ah, I see."
Adam says, "Like, I'm not going to refer to someone as 'TenthStone' or
  'Grocible'"
neild says, "It has hot girl-girl action *and* a balky vending machine. So
  amazingly, both Adam *and* Michael Gentry will like it."
lpsmith exclaims, "Timing!"
Adam says, "Because I feel stupid typing such things"
inky laughs.
Miseri asks (to Adam), "Eh! You're a Quebecois bureaucrat??"
Duchess says (to adam), "but why won't you say duchess? it's a title. like
  saying "mister" or "ma'am" :)"
andyf says (to Miseri), "Heh."
Grocible says, "adam: your insecurities are causing much pain amongst
  others, young man"
Adam says (to Fahmida), "If you had followed the pronouns thread from last
  summer, you'd know that I don't use those either"
April says (to Adam), "Just making sure I wasn't really incognito"
lpsmith says, "When insecurities collide."
andyf asks (to Adam), "What if Groc had his name legally changed to
  Grocible?"
Miseri says, "Hmm ... don't seem to recall Adam ever having called me
  'Chris' ... or 'Christopher' ... or even 'Xinqun'...."
Grocible says, "andyf: hey now there's an idea"
Duchess says (to adam), "considering i had no clue what IF was last summer,
  i am not even going  to try looking for those threads"
Adam says (to Mis), "I have, actually"
Grocible says, "I was thoroughly disappointed to learn there are a few
  other Neil K. Guys in the world. But I'm sure there are no Grocibles."
andyf wonders what Adam's policy on really goofy names is.
lpsmith says, "I know what IF was last summer."
Duchess asks (to SF), "example?"
April says (to lps), "I know what you programmed last summer."
Adam says, "I mean, I don't really think this out ahead of time.  I just go
  with what's comfortable"
andyf says (to Adam), "WHat would you call Moon Unit Zappa, for example."
andyf asks, "?"
April says (to andyf), "MUZ."
Ellison says (to Adam), "you still don't call my 'Big Daddy' like I asked
  you to..."
neild says, "'Big Daddy' is my favorite new Adam Sandler movie. Oh, wait,
  that's not a joke."
Adam says (to Mis), "I used '..Xq' a couple times"
(From inky) Adam says (to Ellison) "Not when we're around other people,
  anyway."
Ellison says, "hehe"
Miseri says (to Adam), "Did you? I must have missed them...."
inky says (to neild), "'Big Daddy' is my favorite Jack Chick comic. Oh,
  wait, that's not a joke."
April asks (to Ellison), "How about 'Medium-Size Daddy'?"
Adam says (to Mis), "But I was under the impression that you didn't use
  that name anymore.  Like, I would be rather taken aback if someone referred
  to me as 'Muhammad'"
lpsmith says, ">TAKE ABACK"
Ellison says, "'Bic Daddy' is my favorite macho pen expert.  Oh, wait,
  that's a joke."
April drops aback.
Grocible asks, "adam: if you were walking along and someone shouted out HEY
  MOHAMMED! would you turn?"
Rob |Which one do you mean, the back or the front?
Grocible says, "erm muhammad"
neild says, "So for those still in doubt, the Outback Steakhouse is every
  bit as funny as you might expect."
Miseri says (to Adam), "I still use the name ... but only with people who
  can pronounce it more easily than they can pronounce 'Christopher'."
Adam says (to NeilK), "No more than if they shouted 'HEY FOOFENPANTS!' or
  some such"
lpsmith says (to Groc), "They're yelling it, so you can't tell."
April laughs.
Ellison says (to neild), "cool"
Grocible says, "adam: hm. interesting. not having another name aside from
  my middle name, it's not something that's ever really occurred to me"
April hollers, "HEY FOOFENPANTS!"
inky says (to neild), "yay"
Rob hears 'Foofenpants' and looks around.
Adam says, "I mean, I've never been called that, except by professors
  calling roll the first day of classes"
Grocible says, "neild: please describe it to those of us who've never been
  there"
neild says, "They don't know how to pronounce 'Brisbane,' and the menu uses
  all sorts of painfully contrived Aussie expressions. Also, the waiters
  dress as kangaroos."
Ellison says, "hee"
neild says, "Er, except that last bit."
Grocible asks, "they say briz-BAYNE?"
andyf says, "Funny you should mention it, but Frederiksen is Danish for
  Foofenpants."
Ellison retracts the giggle.
April wonders how many people would turn around if he shouted 'HEY
  FOOFENPANTS!' Probable quite a lot.
neild says (to Groc), "More like BRIZ-bane."
Miseri says, "heh"
Rob asks, "How are you supposed to pronounce Brisbane?"
Grocible asks, "briz-bun, isn't it?"
Rob has always heard it pronounced BRIZ-bane.
Rob asks, "Like Lisbon?"
Miseri says, "It's pronounced 'Cauliflower'."
neild says (to Rob), "yes."
Grocible says, "never heard an australian say it bayne"
April yawns and should go.
Adam says, "My parents said that their plan was that when I grew up, I
  would use the name as a first initial, to sound distinguished.  My bank
  account even had that for a while"
neild says, "Steve points out that he's the bane of all Australians."
lpsmith says (to April), "<aol>"
Adam says, "MADAM KADRI.  Yeah, *real* distinguished"
Grocible asks, "neild: do they make you wear hats with dangly corks on
  them?"
April asks (to lps), "aol?"
Grocible says, "adam: heh"
Miseri laughs
Miseri says (to April), "'night"
neild says (to Groc), "No, but we brought our own anyway."
lpsmith says (to April), "Me, too."
andyf says (to Adam), "Heh."
Grocible says, "neild: excellent"
Grocible asks, "adam: she was a famous fortune teller wasn't she?"
neild says, "Also, Dangly, Cork, is my favorite Irish town."
Grocible says, "I thought Dangly Cork was that famous narrow-gauge Irish
  peat-hauling railway"
Adam asks (to neild), "So what do the Outback Steakhouse people make of a
  real Australian?  Do they get embarrassed?"
April says, "night, all."
Grocible says, "like the Tralee-Dingle train"
neild says (to Adam), "Sadly, no."
andyf has come very close to spraying tea on the screen. It's way too late
  to be this funny.
Duchess says (to april), "night"
April has disconnected.
April hurtles to justice at lightning speed.
<April> HEY FOOFENPANTS!
neild says (to groc), "I have no comment on that."
andyf waves to April.
andyf says, "Oops."
Rob says, "They probably thought he was British"
Duchess says (to SF), "come on, we are always funny :) well, at least they
  are"
Grocible asks, "neild: you think I"m JOKING, don't you?"
neild says, "Though Trey Lee Dingle sounds like there's a joke in there
  somewhere."
Duchess says (to inky), "been keeping late hours lately, haven't you? :)"
lpsmith sighs, and must go.  Wave!
Grocible says, "I've had people ask me if I'm Australian. which I always
  find a baffling question. I mean, I sound as much Australian as I do
  Hungarian or something"
Ellison says, "g'nite lps!"
Miseri sings about The Rose of Tralee...
andyf says (to Duchess), "Maybe I'm just the right kind of tired to best
  appreciate MUD humour."
neild says (to Rob), "No, we told them he was from Melbourne. Though he
  might have thought we meant Florida."
lpsmith has disconnected.
lpsmith is gangled out of the room by a gaggle of giggling monks.
<lpsmith> Reading Field of Schemes is like watching a multi-vehicle pile-up
  in slow motion close-up, with every hideous detail excruciatingly clear and
  in full color.
inky says (to Duchess), "mm. classes loosening up at the end of the
  semester"
Grocible says, "mis: well your long hair is black as a raven, so it's
  apropos"
Grocible says, "neild: you have to pronounce it mel-BORN for them to
  understand"
neild asks, "Um, WTF is lpsmith's disconnect from?"
Adam says (to neild), "A review on alt.politics.usa.republican"
Grocible says, "neild: a big fan review of yours"
andyf says (to inky), "I read that as 'clothes loosening up at the end of
  the semester', and was going to suggest eating."
Ellison asks (to inky), "what's the status on that project you have with
  that guy?"
neild says (to Adam), "Oh, that one. The one that says 'If you care about
  anything, read this book.'"
Adam says (to neild), "On alt.politics.usa.republican, that means no one."
neild says, "She's Got A Thing For The Project With That Guy."
Rob asks, "which guy? The guy with the thing, or the other guy?"
Miseri says, "Anyway. Must go to bed."
Miseri says, "'night, all."
andyf says (to Ellison), "That's one of the vaguest sentences I've ever
  read."
Duchess says (to SF), "well, finals week is the world's answer to weight
  gain...it's the easiest way to lose weight"
inky says, "bye mis"
andyf waves to Miz.
Duchess says (to mis), "night"
Miseri has disconnected.
Miseri isn't here. That's odd. You must have missed him leaving. Or maybe
  he was never here to begin with.
<Miseri> Miseri has disconnected from ifMUD.
inky asks (to Duchess), "?"
inky says, "oh, I see."
Rob watches Christie Brinkley do simulated sex motions to sell a piece of
  crap exercise equipment.
Duchess asks (to inky), "don't you think so?"
inky says (to Ellison), "umf. I was working on it some tonight."
andyf says (to Rob), "Bizarre."
inky says (to Duchess), "nah, I made cookies, remember"
Duchess asks (to rob), "the thighmaster thing?"
neild says, "Six months to life is the vaguest sentence I've ever seen."
andyf sometimes forgets to eat during big work rushes.
Adam says, "That 'exercise equipment' is illegal in Alabama"
andyf says (to neild), "Heh."
Rob says, "Well, she's on this plate that slides up and down on two rods,
  and she's lying on it and doing knee bends, and they've got the camera
  situated low and in front of her spreading legs."
andyf says (to inky), "Baking has been recommended to me as a
  procrastination strategy."
inky says, "heh"
Rob says, "Perhaps I'm reading too much into it."
inky says (to andyf), "I made pizza tonight"
andyf says (to inky), ""But I couldn't fit in the oven."
Ellison says, "we had pizza tonight, too"
inky says (to andyf), "more heh"
Rob says, "I think this is why Zarf cooks and bakes all the time."
(From Grocible) andyf says, "I didn't realize that Barbie Easy-Bake oven
  was so small."
neild says (to Rob), "TSD. Also, TS like a So Far puzzle."
andyf says (to Rob), "Some marketing executive is slavering..."
Rob says (to neild), "heh!"
Ellison says, "I didn't know zarf cooks and bakes all the time"
andyf says (to Groc), "Heh."
Adam says, "Zarf cooks and bakes all the time because Goob demands that
  dinner be ready when he gets home from work"
inky blinks.
Grocible says, ""British Airways has decided to take no action against a
  flight attendant who stripped to her underwear and ran around the outside
  of  plane at Italy's Genoa airport after losing a bet with the captain. ""
Rob says, "But in case there are women watching, they have a shirtless
  Chuck Norris doing arm and chest exercises."
andyf asks (to .alex), "Goob?"
Alex says (to andyf), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that Goob is a
  mysterious lurking presence in the dark places of the Earth.  Also, one of
  the ifarchive.org maintainers."
Duchess says (to groc), "got guts"
Duchess says (to rob), "chuck noris. eww"
andyf asks (to Groc), "Heh. Did they discipline the captain?"
Grocible says, "andyf: apparently not"
(From Ellison) Grocible says, "yeah, they made him run around the whole
  airport in his underwear."
inky says, "yay"
Rob says, "yay"
neild says (to andyf), "(steve says) 'Discipline the Captain' is my
  favorite King Crimson/Toni Tennille crossover project."
Rob says, "reaction timing"
andyf asks (to neild), "Heh. Isn't that a Michel Foucault book?"
Adam says (to Andy), "You're thinking of 'Discipline Me Harder, Mon
  Capitain'"
andyf says (to Adam), "Oy."
<Whizzard> Whizzard has connected to ifMUD.
<Whizzard> Whizzard has disconnected from ifMUD.
Adam says, "Hmm"
neild says, "Moan Capitain is my favorite K/S fanfic."
Rob says, "eeeagh"
Adam says (to neild), "Oik."
inky laughs.
Adam says, "Okay, I'm reading the web site of my car insurance company"
andyf cringes.
Grocible says, "geez. Coca-cola has bought Orangina"
Grocible says, "sucks"
Adam says, "And it says 'With the exception of auto and property insurance,
  most products are available to the general public.'"
Duchess asks (to groc), "why?"
Rob asks (to Groc), "Wasn't someone trying to block that purchase?"
Duchess says (to groc), "why sucks, i mean"
Adam says, "I wonder how I got car insurance"
Grocible says, "rob: the govt"
Ellison says (to Groc), "that's no kind of attitude to have...  maybe you
  should play cokeisit again"
Duchess says (to groc), "coca cola is not a bad company...better than pepsi
  at least :)"
inky | >Kinda like how nobody recognized Clark Kent was Superman because
  Clark
inky | >wore glasses.
inky | >
inky | >I wear glasses; people still recognize me when I'm not wearing
  them.
inky |
inky | Maybe. But I find it much more dificult to recognise other people
inky | when I'm not wearing my glasses; justice demands that this should
  be
inky | reflexive.
Grocible says, "duchess: because I don't like these vast multinational
  companies buying everything out in sight"
Ellison says, "hehe"
andyf says (to inky), "Heh. WHere's that from."
Rob says, "There's been a headline a day in the business pages about
  Coca-Cola making bad business movies, losing money, tanking in various ways
  as a company."
andyf asks, "?"
Duchess says (to inky), "well no one recognizes me if i wear tinted glasses
  :)"
inky says, "rec.arts.sf.fandom"
neild says, "I like shopping, bad business movies."
Rob says, "I've had people tell me I look like Clark Kent."
Grocible says, "I was disappointed that nobody said I looked particularly
  different when I shaved off my beard. even putting highlights in my hair
  didn't seem to either"
andyf says, "People did rather interesting double-takes when I first
  appeared in public sans glasses, after getting contacts."
Rob says, "usually freshman age girls"
inky says, "heh"
Grocible says, "hm. I think I'd prefer to look like keanu reeves than clark
  kent. at least keanu reeves doesn't have large blue rectangles in his
  hair"
Rob says, "One time, I was accosted and asked to sign an autograph as
  'Clark Kent' on a piece of paper."
<Whizzard> Whizzard has connected to ifMUD.
inky says (to Rob), "that's your excuse to ask them to step into a phone
  booth"
Whizzard feels as if a million voices cried out in terror and were suddenly
  silenced.  Either that, or it's a touch of indigestion.
(From Ellison) Rob says, "they kept jumping off of the school's roof to see
  if I'd save them."
Ellison says, "heya Whiz"
Whizzard says, "hi dere."
andyf says (to Groc), "Thing is, I don't see the ressemblance."
Rob says, "Another time, I was walking up some steps as they hollered out
  'Hey Clark Kent!' and it made me trip and fall on my face."
Ellison says, "I played tortoise.gam for the first time today...  it
  sucks"
Rob says, "I thought, "Well, they'll never suspect I'm Superman.""
andyf says (to Groc), "Of course, when I met you, you didn't say 'whoa!'
  once."
Ellison says, "er, I mean, it totally rocks"
inky says, "'whiz"
neild exclaims (to Rob), "Hee!"
Ellison says, "yeah, that was a really good game"
Grocible says, "andyf: well me neither really"
Ellison says, "now I have to play OaF"
andyf says (to Whiz), "Heya."
Whizzard looks at Eli skeptically.
Whizzard says, "Hinky."
andyf has been accused of looking like different people at different
  times.
andyf says, "At least no one's said I look like Woody Allen in years."
neild says (to andy), "Zelig, too."
Adam says (to andy), "Of course not.  Keanu doesn't put that much emotion
  into 'whoa'"
neild asks (to andy), "Timing?"
Alex says (to neild), "Awwwk! Word on the street is that timing is when two
  people say things at the same time. it's like a jinx, but you don't have to
  buy the person a Coke."
neild says (to Alex), "Yeah, yeah."
Alex exclaims (to neild), "Awwwk! No parse found!"
andyf says (to neild), "Apparently. But I wasn't joking."
Adam giggles with delight completing this survey
Adam says, "This page has two items:"
Whizzard says (to inky), "We've moved on to the next book (Pirates). All
  the NPCs will have wanted posters around them, with where and how much
  bounty is being offered for them."
neild says, "Also, I fucked up that joke."
Rob says, "The only other 'Hey you look like..!' I've had is Brandon Lee."
andyf says (to neild), "I actually did apparently look a bit like Woody
  Allen, when I had bad glasses and short hair."
Ellison says, "yay pirates"
Adam | Age [ 25 ]
Adam | Retired from employment? Yes (x)   No ( )
(From neild) Nancy Walker says, "Mmm... Bounty."
andyf exclaims (to Adam), "Woohoo!"
Rob says (to Adam), "Whoa."
inky says, "it's been established I look like the drummer from harvey
  danger"
inky says, "but nobody off-mud has ever thought this"
Grocible says, "adam: you're not retired. you're self-employed"
Adam says, "That ought to fuck up their computer"
inky says, "so, um"
Grocible says, "adam: which means, of course, you're a criminal in the eyes
  of the bank"
Ellison says, "I didn't know what the drummer looked like, but I once
  thought that DX looked kind of like the singer"
Rob says, "Soon you'll be getting a strange mix of record club offers and
  senior citizen discounts."
andyf says (to Rob), "Heh."
Grocible asks, "when I was self-employed and I went to the bank and they
  asked what I did they'd sort of look at me skeptically. Oh yeah?
  self-employed *consultant*?"
Duchess says (to rob), "better that than having people think you were the
  model in a tampon ad :)"
andyf says (to Groc), "That's often code for 'unemployed'."
andyf exclaims (to Duchess), "Eagh!"
Rob says (to Duchess), "Hmm, I guess so!"
neild says, "Model In a Tampon Ad is my favorite Police song."
Rob asks (to duchess), "That happen to you..?"
Grocible asks, "andyf: but what if it happens to be true?"
andyf says (to Groc), "Then they won't believe you, I guess..."
Rob can hear Sting singing that, for some reason.
neild asks (to Rob), "Tinnitus acting up again?"
Duchess says (to rob), "well, not tampon, but pads. I was called the
  "Always girl" all semester"
Rob asks, "Eh? What?"
Rob says (to Duchess), "aw"
neild asks, "Clara Bow was the Always Girl, right?"
Adam says, "'We'll even rebate domestic ATM surcharges up to $15 a month.' 
  Whoo-hoo!"
Duchess says (to neild), "no idea"
<bonnie> bonnie has connected to ifMUD.
Rob says, "whoa, clara bow reference"
inky says, "heh"
andyf says (to Duchess), "Urk"
Rob says (to Duchess), "She was known as the 'It' girl."
neild exclaims (to Rob), "Yay obscure ref-getting!"
Rob says, "I think."
inky asks, "now, will bonnie disconnect?"
bonnie arrives from the east.
Duchess says (to inky), "prolly since kiz is not here"
Grocible asks, "duchess: they used a specific girl for their ad
  campaigns?"
Duchess says, "hi bonnie"
bonnie says, "hi"
inky says, "hi"
Rob says, "All them years of film school learned me something."
bonnie says, "hi duchess"
Duchess says (to groc), "not sure."
andyf says (to bonnie), "Heya."
bonnie says, "don't know what to do with pages,m sorry"
bonnie says, "hi andy f"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "it's okay. you will catch on :)"
bonnie says, "oh okay"
Whizzard says, "Hi."
Duchess says (to bonnie), "can i have your email? i want to coordinate
  meeting up with you when i am in japan in a couple weeks."
andyf figures they oughta pay actresses extra for those ads, just for the
  embarassment factor.
bonnie says, "You're coming to japan?  Oh okay."
Grocible asks, "duchess: when are you leaving again?"
bonnie says, "I'll give you this one"
Duchess says (to groc), "may 23rd"
bonnie asks, "should I just give it to you here?"
Grocible says, "andyf: they get to keep the white horses they ride"
bonnie says, "oh cool"
Grocible says, "duchess; groovy"
Grocible asks, "duchess: so we going to get to meet you at the airport?"
Duchess says (to SF), "i should get some of that for all the times people
  think i am that girl in the ad"
andyf says (to Duchess), "Sue 'em."
Duchess says (to groc), "i will let you know once i know how long i am in
  the terminal"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "thanks"
andyf grins evilly.
bonnie asks, "wait someone else is in Japan?"
Grocible says, "hrm. I forgot to ask the campervan hire firm if they
  provide discounts for automobile association members"
neild says, "Duchess Groovy is my favorite Phyllis Diller character."
Duchess says (to bonnie), "no, he is talking about vancouver"
bonnie says, "I'm hungry"
bonnie says, "Oh okay"
Duchess asks (to bonnie), "where in japan are you again? tokyo?"
Ellison says (to neild), "hehe"
bonnie says, "Yup, Tokyo.  Where yougoing in Japan?  You speak Japanese,
  right?""
Rob says, "meguro"
Adam says, "Mus is in Japan"
bonnie says, "well I'm kind of in the west part of Tokyo, like far from
  Narita"
Rob says, "shinjuku"
bonnie asks, "who's in meguro?"
bonnie asks, "who's in shinjuku?"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "we will be in tokyo for a day anda half"
Rob says, "I stayed there in 1983."
bonnie says, "ohh"
Rob asks, "Wasn't shinjuku the big shopping district?"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "most likely we will be staying in setagayaku"
bonnie says, "Wow where in Tokyo will you be?  Shinjuku, yeah, everything
  district"
bonnie asks, "where's that?"
bonnie asks, "setagayaku?"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "and hai, nihongo o oshaberimasu"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "how well do you know the subway? the marunochen
  line past sibuya and maybe about three stops"
bonnie says, "ii desu ne."
bonnie says, "not well but I know where you meran"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "futagotamagawaen station"
bonnie says, "uhh mean"
bonnie says, "ah okay"
Rob says, "mmm, marunochen"
bonnie asks, "wow between ginza and shibuya?"
bonnie says, "chigau ka?""
Duchess says (to rob), "shinjuku is also yakuza area"
bonnie says, "uso! I didn't know that.""
bonnie says, "I thought they were all in Kansai"
(From Grocible) Duchess says, "That's why I am missing a finger."
andyf asks (to Duchess), "Hmm. Make you wonder about Rob?"
bonnie says, "hehe okay forget my email address then"
Duchess asks (to bonnie), "yeah. we are hanging out at ginza in the day,
  and then we are going to roppongi the first night. wanna join us?"
Adam asks, "Are interest rates likely to go up or down right now? Anyone
  know?"
bonnie asks, "Roppongi? I've only been once.  Actually I'dlove to... who's
  we?"
Duchess says (to bonnie), "kansai too."
Rob is able to infer with andyf's help what yakuza might mean.
andyf says (to Rob), "Gangster."
Duchess says (to bonnie), "i am going with three of my friends."
inky says (to Adam), "mm"
bonnie says, "Japanese mafia"
bonnie says, "wowww that's so nice"
Grocible says, "tattooed gentlemen in bathrobes"
Rob says, "heh."
inky says (to Adam), "economy's still going up"
Grocible says, "I went to ginza in 1979 or something"
inky says (to Adam), "so I expect they won't feel the need to drop rates to
  give it a boost"
bonnie says, "hehe that too.  Although my friend said when he was a kid
  they gave him candy and stuff at halloween"
PollBoy hollers, "Adam has changed the poll! There's a nose ring in my
  soup."
Adam changes poll to: Area Bonnie Says, 'Japanese Mafia So Nice'
Duchess says (to adam), "yeah it sucks since the exchange is not going to
  in my favor that much this time around"
Ellison says, "I liked the yakuza guys in Gibson's stuff"
Grocible says, "duchess: will you be picking up lots of Japanese...
  software? if so, be sure to post your reviews"
bonnie says, "Yeah, I don't even know what it is anymore.  I just spend
  money and hope I don't run out."
Rob says, "hee"
Duchess asks (to bonnie), "do you happen to know if there are hours for
  when you can enter the park bordering the imperial palace?"
bonnie says, "Okay, I better go because I have to write an email to Daddy
  asking to borrow some money"
bonnie says, "I don't think so but I could be wrong"
Duchess asks (to groc), "software? i wasn't planning to, but any
  requests?"
Duchess exclaims (to bonnie), "all right, i will be in touch!"
Duchess waves to bonnie
inky says, "bye bonnie"
bonnie says, "cool, okay bye everyone, bye duchess"
bonnie has disconnected.
bonnie goes home.
<bonnie> bonnie has disconnected from ifMUD.
Grocible asks, "okay... is it just me, or does anyone else break out in
  hives when they hear an adult refer to their father as "daddy"?"
Rob stifle
Grocible says, "duchess; um... joke"
andyf says (to Duchess), "I suspect Groc was referring to those, er,
  interesting games Caxton keeps reviewing."
Duchess says (to inky), "well she has learned to say goodbye"
Rob says (to Groc), "errrrmmmm had to hold my tongue"
Duchess asks (to SF), "oh yeah, those porno ones?"
Duchess says (to groc), "why? i would rather, erm, test drive them while
  there :)"
Adam says, "Well, so long as it's a daughter"
Rob says, "heh"
andyf says (to Duchess), "If the reviews are to be believed. I'm still
  dubious about their actual existence."
Ellison says, "hentai or something"
Grocible says, "adam: doesn't make a difference to me"
Grocible says, "it sounds... cloying"
Duchess asks (to groc), "would you feel better if an adult says otosan?"
andyf says (to Groc), "I'm inclined to agree."
Adam says, "Tracy calls Mr. Valencia 'Daddy' and she's 18"
Grocible says, "duchess: hmm. well. that's not as bad somehow"
Grocible asks, "adam: point made, then?"
Duchess says (to SF), "i used to call my father papa but when i hit the
  ripe old age of five, he made me stop :("
andyf says (to Adam), "calling one's father 'daddy' seems to be part &
  parcel of a certain kind of manipulativeness."
andyf says (to Adam), "My cousin does that."
Rob says, "made you stop? how odd."
Grocible says, "as in, "can I have some more money please, daddy?""
andyf says (to Groc), "Exactly."
Duchess says (to groc), "but isn't it the same manipulativeness to say,
  "can i have some money please, dad?" hmm. guess not. there isn't the same
  quality"
andyf says (to Groc), "My cousin can shake my uncle down with incredible
  ease."
Duchess says (to SF), "okay, i think i agree with you guys now"
Rob says, "Lots of Dads kind of cherish the affectionate names their
  daughters give them."
Ellison says, "or 'hey, old man, pass the beer'"
andyf says (to Duchess), "'Papa' seems different to me."
inky says (to Ell), "heh"
andyf says (to Duchess), "It's just 'Daddy' that grates."
Duchess says (to SF), "well other then being spanish and french and god
  knows what other language :)"
andyf says (to Duchess), "Heh. Yep."
andyf figures there's a fine line between the cloying and the
  disrespectful.
andyf says, "'Pop' is too nose-thumbingly Bart Simpson-ish."
Grocible says, "there's a certain type of middle-class southern English
  person who will refer to a grandmother as "nana""
Adam says, "Well, phooey to you.  I think it's sweet"
neild says, "'Daddy, That Grates': The Dorothy Allison Story."
andyf says (to Adam), "I think it's carbonated."
andyf asks (to neild), "???"
Adam says, "If my daughter still called me 'daddy' in her 20s, my heart
  would melt"
neild says (to andy), "Nevermind."
andyf says (to Adam), "Well, it depends how it's used I suppose."
Duchess says, "i think it depends on the context...my cousin still calls
  her father daddy and i know he likes it because to him she is still an
  eight year old."
Duchess says (to SF), "timing :)"
Grocible says, "I guess I just feel that when you reach a certain age it's
  a good thing to relate to your parents as fellow adults, not the way a
  child does to an adult. Respected, loving adults, hopefully, but still
  fellow adults"
Grocible says, "a coworker has a horrible problem with her parents not
  treating her as an adult, and she's 35. it drives her nuts"
inky says (to Groc), "depends if you want to get a loan from them or not"
Rob says, "I guess it's got to be different for different families,
  different people."
Duchess says (to groc), "*culture difference* even when i am 40 and have
  kids in their teens, my parents are going to still treat me like a kid"
Grocible says, "hewoo my wittle baybee! Oh, for God's sake, Mum! Cut that
  out!"
andyf says (to Rob), "True. Every family is screwed up in its own unique
  way."
Grocible says, "duchess; well sure. this is strictly me with my point of
  view with my cultural background"
Adam says, "Then there's my situation, where my mother acts like a child"
Duchess says (to adam), "that must be really hard to handle"
Duchess asks (to groc), "your parents don't still treat you  like a kid?"
Rob asks, "Good kind of childlike or bad kind of childish?"
andyf says (to Adam), "Oy. Trouble."
Grocible says, "duchess: nope. haven't for a long long time"
Adam says, "She still uses baby-talk.  Not just with me -- with everyone. 
  Pets, friends, co-workers, everyone."
Rob says, "ooooooooog."
inky asks, "co-workers?"
neild says, "Oy Trouble is my favorite Barbra Streisand romantic comedy."
Duchess says, "i get along with my parents when i don't live at home
  because they can't treat me like a kid. it's when i am at home they forget
  that i am an adult. *sigh*"
Rob says, "Directed by Peter Bogdanovich"
Grocible says, "duchess: of course, with my family we sit around and
  discuss politics and morality and shit"
Duchess asks (to adam), "has she always done this throughout your childhood
  and stuff, or did she start doing it at some distinct point?"
Grocible asks, "neild: are you writing these down?"
neild asks (to Groc), "Which?"
andyf's aunt says 'oy' in every other sentence.
Grocible says, "neild: abc is my favourite xyz"
Duchess asks (to groc), "that too. it gets pretty spririted at times. my
  parents sometimes comes back days later with a book or newspaper to back up
  their arguments. it gets pretty competitive. yours?"
neild says (to Groc), "We've done about 700 of them in the last two days
  here."
inky says, "I don't know if they make sense out of context"
Adam says (to Fahmida), "Um, more or less throughout, I guess"
inky says, "I feel weird discussing important stuff with my parents"
Grocible says, "duchess: I wouldn't say competitive per se, because we
  usually agree on most things. but it depends"
Duchess says (to inky), "i don't know how much sense they make in context"
inky says, "insert birds-and-bees joke here"
andyf says, "I've given up arguing with my dad."
Duchess says (to inky), "important=?personal then i don't discuss with
  them"
andyf says, "He takes arguments too personally -- *hates* being wrong."
Duchess says (to SF), "especially to his son, i bet"
inky says (to Duchess), "nah, I mean politics and stuff too."
Grocible says, "well I don't talk about deeply personal stuff with my
  parents, as it makes them squeamish. I mean, I might talk in extremely
  general terms about something. omitting details"
andyf says (to Duchess), "Well -- stubornness is a family trait."
inky says, "hmm. ok, that's not totally true."
inky says (to andyf), "is not."
Rob says, "with my family it's a bit like here. most of the time it's jokey
  banter, then sometimes we'll hit upon some conversation that will wander
  and get deep and serious and go on for a while and stuff."
Duchess asks, "tangent: when was oslo accords signed?"
Grocible says, "especially if it's to do with sex or relationships - my
  parents get very embarrasssed"
Duchess asks, "and wye?"
Alex exclaims, "Awwk! Log started!"
<bonnie> bonnie has connected to ifMUD.
inky asks (to Duchess), "wye not?"
<bonnie> bonnie has disconnected from ifMUD.
Grocible asks, "who started the log?"
inky asks, "is oslo two years?"

[Log finished Thu May  6 02:03:47 1999]