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Re: Ba'ch Vie^.t - Ly' La~o



Trac Duy Tran <ttran@cae.wisc.edu> wrote

>
>> Comments on DDo^ng A' and Tra^`n period :
>> Anh AiViet mentioned that the Tra^`n kings had the root in an Chinese 
>> immigrant. I have doubt on this. The Tran period was the most original 
>> Viet renaissance in culture. King Tran Nhan Tong used to tell his sons 
>> and siblings that :
>> "Nha` ta vo^'n la` da^n ha. ba.n, ddo+`i ddo+`i u+a chuo^.g vie^.c hu`ng 
>> du~ng. Thu+o+`ng thi'ch hi`nh ro^`ng va`o ddu`i dde^? chu+'ng to? 
>> mi`nh kho^ng que^n go^'c que^n to^?".
>> 
>
>Anh Aiviet was right.  Ne^'u to^i nho+' kho^ng la^`m, DDa.i Vie^.t Su+?
>Ky' Toa`n Thu+ co' che'p to^? tie^n ho. Tra^`n dde^'n tu+` dda^'t Ma^n,
>chi? trong vo`ng mo^.t the^' ky? ru+o+~i thi` Tra^`n Ca?nh le^n ngo^i 
>hoa`ng dde^'.  (Nho+` anh Aiviet check la.i reference du`m cho, bo^. na`y 
>to^i dde^? la.i o+? Madison ma^'t ro^`i).
>

Hi ca'c ba'c Aiviet, Hiep, Trac and all

Co' the^? la` tuy ra(`ng ho. Tra^`n tu+` be^n Ta`u qua nhu+ng 
cu~ng gio^'ng Ba'ch Vie^.t ne^n ho. cu~ng co' tu.c xa^m mi`nh 
kho^ng? Nha^'t la` ne^'u ho. la`m nghe^` cha`i lu+o'i, vi` 
tu.c le^. na`y theo to^i bie^'t la` cu?a da^n cha`i.

Co' ba'c na`o dda~ no'i ra(`ng tho+`i ddo' mie^`n Nam nu+o+'c 
Ta`u chu+a hoa`n toa`n Ha'n ho'a, to^i nghe cu~ng co' ly',
nha^'t la` trong giai ca^'p bi`nh da^n hay tho^n que^ (cu~ng 
nhu+ VN va^.y). VN ta'ch ra kho?i Ta`u va`o na(m 939, ho.
Tra^`n ba('t dda^`u la`m vua va`o dda^`u the^' ky? thu+' 13 tu+'c la`
ho. co' the^? di cu+ tu+` Ta`u qua khoa?ng dda^`u the^' ky?
12 (1100), tu+'c la` ho. chi? na(`m trong nu+o+'c Ta`u the^m
co' ddo^. 1 the^' ky? ru+o+~i ma` tho^i (so vo+'i da^n ta)
va` co' the^? i't ho+n. Va^.y thi` culturally cha('c cha(?ng 
co' gi` kha'c bie^.t.

Cheers
Tuan Pham