Re: Ba'ch Vie^.t - Ly' La~o

[Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>]

Trac Duy Tran <ttran@cae.wisc.edu> wrote

>
>> Comments on DDo^ng A' and Tra^`n period :
>> Anh AiViet mentioned that the Tra^`n kings had the root in an Chinese 
>> immigrant. I have doubt on this. The Tran period was the most original 
>> Viet renaissance in culture. King Tran Nhan Tong used to tell his sons 
>> and siblings that :
>> "Nha` ta vo^'n la` da^n ha. ba.n, ddo+`i ddo+`i u+a chuo^.g vie^.c hu`ng 
>> du~ng. Thu+o+`ng thi'ch hi`nh ro^`ng va`o ddu`i dde^? chu+'ng to? 
>> mi`nh kho^ng que^n go^'c que^n to^?".
>> 
>
>Anh Aiviet was right.  Ne^'u to^i nho+' kho^ng la^`m, DDa.i Vie^.t Su+?
>Ky' Toa`n Thu+ co' che'p to^? tie^n ho. Tra^`n dde^'n tu+` dda^'t Ma^n,
>chi? trong vo`ng mo^.t the^' ky? ru+o+~i thi` Tra^`n Ca?nh le^n ngo^i 
>hoa`ng dde^'.  (Nho+` anh Aiviet check la.i reference du`m cho, bo^. na`y 
>to^i dde^? la.i o+? Madison ma^'t ro^`i).
>

Hi ca'c ba'c Aiviet, Hiep, Trac and all

Co' the^? la` tuy ra(`ng ho. Tra^`n tu+` be^n Ta`u qua nhu+ng cu`ng 
gio^'ng Ba'ch Vie^.t ne^n ho. cu~ng co' tu.c xa^m mi`nh kho^ng? 
Nha^'t la` ne^'u ho. la`m nghe^` cha`i lu+o'i, vi` tu.c le^. na`y la` 
cu?a da^n cha`i.

Ho. Tra^`n o+? South China qua VN khoa?ng the^' ky? thu+' 11, 
tu+'c la` ho. ta'ch ra kho?i va(n ho'a Ta`u cu`ng la('m la` 100-
150 na(m sau da^n Vie^.t Nam, sau 1000 na(m trong che^' ddo^.
ng` Ha'n. Culturally, to^i nghi~ ho. cha(?ng kha'c nhu+~ng da^n 
Vie^.t tho+`i ddo' bao nhie^u, nha^'t la` ne^'u ho. thuo^.c giai ca^'p 
bi`nh da^n cha`i lu+o+'i, co`n ethnically thi` ke^? nhu+ la` identical.
Kie^?u nhu+ su+. kha'c bie^.t giu+~a My~ vo+'i Anh va`o the^' ky? 18
va^.y.

Cheers
Tuan Pham