Re: Thermal death, Physics's reign Re: Origine of Life

[Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet2@yahoo.com>]

Hi Vu~,

   Ca^u chuye^.n co' ve? hay dda^y :-))
--- Bui Anh Vu <vabui@students.wisc.edu> wrote:
> "Deduct" o*? dda^y du`ng theo y' "du`ng ca'c model
cu?a mo^.t discipline  na`y dde^? ti`m ca'ch gia?i
quye^'t ca'c va^'n dde^` cu?a discipline 
> kha'c/." 
    Thi' du. nhu+ ti`m ra ca^'u tru'c pha^n tu+? cu?a
DNA va` gene mapping thi` gia?i thi'ch ddu+o+.c co+
che^' di truye^`n chu+' gi`.
    Chuye^.n ddo' thi` kho?i pha?i ba`n la` co'
nhie^`u va^'n dde^` sinh ho.c
gia?i quye^'t ba(`ng va^'n dde^` va^.t ly' pha^n tu+?,
tha^.m chi ' co+ ho.c co^? ddie^?n. Nhu+ng co^' nhie^n
la` kho^ng pha?i ta^'t ca?.
   Ne^'u la` ta^'t ca? thi` la`m gi` co' discipline
rie^ng. Nhu+ng again la.i co' consistency criteria cho
discipline cao ho+n xa^y du+.ng on top cu?a discipline
tha^'p ho+n. Kho^ng pha?i la` quy lua^.t dda(.c thu`
o+? mu+'c cao ho+n tu+'c la` co' the^? tu`y tie^.n.
   Nhu+ng gia?i thi'ch mo^.t hie^.n tu+o+.ng o+?
ta^`ng tha^'p ba(`ng  quy lua^.t cu?a ta^`ng cao thi` 
kho^ng ro~ ra`ng  nhu+ the^' ( ne^'u mu~i te^n sau
cu`ng cu?A Vu~ cu~ng nghi~a gio^'ng nhu+ ma^'y mu~i
te^n tru+o+'c) 

> Vie^.c xa^y du*.ng models trong Physics phu. thuo^.c
va`o  experience, background, etc. cu?a physicist/.
Cha(?ng ha.n ne^'u Newton la`  nguo*`i Trung Quo^'c
thi` co' le~ 3 ddi.nh lua^.t cu?a o^?ng dda~ co' 
> "khi'" trong ddo' thay vi` "lu*.c"/. 

     To^i kho^ng nghi~ the^'. Co' the^? ngo^n ngu+~
kha'c, nhu+ng no^.i dung va^~n pha?i va^.y. Co'
ngu+o+`i nghi~ ra(`ng du`ng Kinh Di.ch co' the^? gia?i
thi'ch the^' gio+'i cu?a Newton. To^i kho^ng nghI~
va^.y.
    Co' the^? o^ng Newton Trung quo^'c go.i go.i lu+.c
la` khi' thi` va^~n  pha?i co' ddi.nh lua^.t "khi' va`
pha?n khi'" hay "khi' ty? le^. thua^.n vo+'i kho^'i
lu+o+.ng va` gia to^'c". 


> Hai models na`y ro~ ra`ng la` kha'c ha(?n nhau/.
Mo^.t vi' du. kha'c nu*~a la` nhu*~ng ca'i assumption
"ddie^`u  kie^.n ly' tuo*?ng": bo? qua friction, mass,
heat generated, a lot of them/. Bo? qua ca'i gi`, bo?
qua dde^'n mu*'c na`o, dde^`u phu. thuo^.c va`o
psychology cu?a researcher/.
> 

    Dda^u co'. The^' thi` co' gi` go.i la` khoa ho.c.
Bo? hay kho^ng dde^`u co' phu+o+ng pha'p va` ti'nh
toa'n.  Ca'c quye^'t ddi.nh na`y du+.a tre^n hoa`n
ca?nh thu+.c te^', phu+o+ng tie^.n...
 
> Cho^~ na`y ho*i kho' no'i/. DDu'ng la` qua' tri`nh 
sinh va^.t bao go^`m 
> ca'c qua' tri`nh Ly' - Ho'a, nhu*ng kho^ng pha?i
mo^.t chuo^~i qua' tri`nh 
> Ly'-Ho'a na`o cu~ng qualify as qua' tri`nh sinh
va^.t/.

   The^' mo+'i go.i la` deduction. Mo^.t chuo^~i
tho^ng tin thi` pha^n ti'ch ra 
mo^'i chuo^~i ca'c bit. Kho^ng pha?i chuo^~i bit na`o
cu~ng co' tho^ng tin.

> DDie^?m ma^'u cho^'t o*? dda^y la` ne^'u cu*' xem
xe't biological entities qua ca'c qua' tri`nh Ly'-Hoa'
thi`  kho^ng gia?i quye^'t dduo*.c ca'c va^'n dde^`
trong Sinh ho.c,
>>>
    Ca'i kho' la` kho^ng co' the^? qua? quye^'t
ddu+o+.c va^'n dde^` gi` trong sinh ho.c la.i cha('c
cha('n kho^ng gia?i quye^'t ddu+o+.c ba(`ng ca'c qua'
tri`nh Ly'-Ho'a. Ma(.c du` to^i co' the^? cha^'p
nha^.n la` co' the^? co'.
Nhu+ dda~ no'i he^. hai va^.t kho^ng gia?n ddo+n la`
to^?ng ca'c attribute cu?a 2 va^.t. Tuy nhie^n bie^'t
tu+`ng va^.t rie^ng re~ (deduction) ra^'t quan tro.ng
dde^? nghie^n cu+'u he^. hai va^.t. Ma` thu+.c ra
cu~ng kho' co' ca'ch gi` hie^.u qua? ho+n ( tru+` phi
nghie^n cu+'u kie^?u Lu+o+~ng Nghi sinh tu+' Tu+o+.ng.
Ddu'ng nhu+ng kho^ng co' tho^ng tin gi` hu+~u i'ch
thu+.c te^')

>
 ngay tu*` va^'n dde^` co* ba?n nhu* ta.i sao loa`i
na`y sau mo^.t tho*`i gian la.i tro*? tha`nh loa`i
kha'c/.
> 
   Qua' de^~: ca^'u tru'c pha^n tu+? gene cu?a chu'ng
dda~ thay ddo^?i
sau tho+`i gian ddo' :-))

> No'i ddi no'i la.i, cuo^'i cu`ng thi` point cu?a tui
 la` the^' na`y: Ca'ch 
> dda(.t ca^u ho?i "What is truer, Creationism or
Evolution?" la` kho^ng make  sense la('m/.

   Ddu'ng qua';. The^' na`o la` truer co' ai dda~
ddi.nh nghi~a dda^u.

> Ta  kho^ng (chu*a) the^? du`ng Creationism dde^?
nghie^n
> cu*'u Sinh ho.c, ddie^`u na`y cha('c kho?i pha?i
ba`n/.
> Creationism la` general law, cu~ng nhu* symmetries
trong physics/.

    Theo tui dda^y la` su+. phi? ba'ng vo+'i symmetry
laws :-))
Symmetry la` mo^.t phu+o+ng pha'p khoa ho.c. Creation
la` mo^.t ca'ch tra? lo+`i ta.m tho+`i kho^ng ca^`n
phu+o+ng pha'p suy nghi~ bo? ngoa`i tai chuye^.n dda~
co' nhu+~ng ba(~ng chu+'ng khoa ho.c.

  Va^'n dde^` khi na`o du`ng: Cha('c cha('n ca'c khoa
ho.c gia crackpot, ca'c trie^'t gia ye^'m the^',
nhu+~ng nha` ly' lua^.n i't background khoa ho.c
thi'ch ddi theo shortcut thi` thi'ch du`ng creation.  

Cheers
Aiviet
  

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