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Re: Vo^ la.i: nghi~a Ha'n, Ha'n Vie^.t, Vie^.t No^m ra sao ?



Cha`o hai ba'c,
To^i kho^ng co' tu+` ddie^?n VN, co' mo^.t ngu+o+`i ba.n tra giu'p cho va`
ghi nghi~a chu+~  nhu+ sau :
>Theo Tu+`
>ddie^?n Tie^'ng Vie^.t (Hoa`ng Phe^ chu? bie^n, 1998) thi`:
>
>1. "Vo^ loa.i" cu~ng co`n du`ng la` "vo^ loa`i", la` ti'nh tu+`,
>co' nghi~a la` "hoa`n toa`n ma^'t he^'t nha^n pha^?m", eg "lu~ vo^
>loa`i ba^'t nha^n".
>
>2. "Vo^ la.i" la` danh tu+`, co' nghi~a la` "ke? du dda?ng, ba^'t
>lu+o+ng, ma^'t he^'t pha^?m ca'ch", eg "qua^n vo^ la.i."
>
Nhu+ va^.y vo^ la.i la` ke? ba^'t lu+o+ng, lu+u manh. Co`n "vo^ loa.i" hay
"vo^ loa`i" thi` nghi~a na(.ng ho+n.
N. Ho`a
->
>Nha^n co' va`i phu't mo*? tu*` ddie^?n ra xem la.i chu*~ Ha'n cu?a ma^'y
>tu*` na`y coi ra sao.
>Tu*` Vo^ thi` nhu* nhau, nghi~a la` kho^ng, kho^ng pha?i, kho^ng la`;
kho^ng
>co'...
>Tu*` la.i co' nghi~a la` nho*` ca^.y va`o, lo*.i i'ch, cho^'i....(p.479)
>Tu*` loa.i co' nghi~a la` loa.i, gio^'ng noi`, dda.i kha'i, D(gi)io^'ng
>nhau. (p511)
>Nhu* va^.y ca'c tu*` na`y tu*` nghi~a Ha'n sang Ha'n Vie^.t va` Vie^.t No^m
>bie^'n ddo^?i ra sao ? Ng` VN du`ng ca'c tu*` na`y ra sao ? Nghi~a chi'nh
>thu*'c cu?a nhu*~ng cu.m tu*` na`y theo Ha'n, Ha'n Vie^.t, Vie^.t co'
>gio^'ng nhau kho^ng ?
>TIA
>DX
>*************************
>>Tui tra Ha'n Vie^.t tu*` ddie^?n cu?a DDa`o duy Anh (p. 561) thi`:
>>
>>vo^ la.i = Ngu*o*`i du thu? du thu*.c, qua' u* vo^ ly' .
>>vo^ loa.i = kho^ng do^'ng ai (co' the^? sach in do^'ng = gio^'ng cha(ng),
>>kho^ng ddu'ng vo*'i loa`i gi`- Nch vo^ la.i .
>>
>>Nhu* va^.y theo T/DD DDa`o Duy Anh; co' the^? hie^?u; khi no'i vo^ loa.i
>>co'
>>the^? hie^?u nghi~a chu*~ la` vo^ la.i, nhu*ng kho^ng tha^'y DD Anh no'i
>>ngu*o*.c la.i cho tu*` vo^ la.i = vo^ loa.i!
>>Just for your information
>>DX
>>********************
>>
>>From: "kyphong" <KyPhong@EROLS.COM>
>>
>>From: Tuan Pham <Tuan.Pham@unsw.edu.au>
>>>Subject: RE: Vo^ la.i
>>>
>>>
>>> >Hi ba'c KyPhong
>>> >
>>> >Co`n tu`y chu+~ "vo^ la.i" ddang no'i ve^` ca'i gi`.
>>> >Cha(?ng ha.n ddang no'i ve^` boxing, ne^'u ta phe^ bi`nh
>>> >Mike Tyson la` vo^ la.i vi` ngu? vo+'i ga'i vi. tha`nh
>>> >nie^n thi` ddo' la` chuye^.n irrelevant, kho^ng ne^n no'i.
>>> >Nhu+ng ne^'u ba?o anh ta vo^ la.i vi` ca('n tai ddi.ch thu?,
>>> >hay vi` dda^'m va`o ha. bo^., hay vi` dda^'m sau khi
>>> >chuo^ng reo, thi` hoa`n toa`n relevant va` co' quye^`n che^.
>>> >
>>> >Cheers
>>> >Tuan Pham
>>>***************
>>>Trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p na`y, xa`i chu+~ vo^ la.i (vo^ loa.i) la` sai.
>>>    Vo^ loa.i (hay vo^ la.i) ddu+o+.c ddi.nh nghi~a la` kho^ng xu+'ng
>>>dda'ng
>>>trong xa~ ho^.i,
>>>kho^ng gio^'ng ai trong cu`ng ta^`ng lo+'p (loa`i ngu+o+`i).
>>>     Vo+'i to^i, chu+~ vo^ la.i la` chu+~ ta^.n cu`ng ma` chu'ng ta co'
>>>the^?
>>>ga'n cho mo^.t nguo+`i.
>>>      Trong VNSA, to^i nghi~ chu'n g ta chu+a ddi dde^'n giai ddo.an
ddo'.
>>>      Ti`nh Tha^n,
>>>      NKP
>
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