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Re: Tha/c ma/c Tu+. do ... con khi?
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> cha\o ca/c ba/c,
> tha^/y ca/c ba/c ba\n nhie^\u ve^\ tu+. do...love..., ca/i keyboard cu?a toi
> no/ da~y dda\nh dda.ch ddo\i tham gia, ma.o muo^.i nha?y va\o ba\n linh tinh
> cho vui.
> ho^m may to^i ch?i muo^/n no/i ve^\ 1 thu+/ tu+. do thoi: tu+. do
> "luye^/n ai/". co? ba/c na\o ddi.nh nghia~ ddu+o+.c kho^ng?.
> ba?c tie^/n o+i, trong tru+o+\ng ho+.p na\y co/ a/p du.ng ddu+o+.c ddi.nh
> nghia~ cu?a ba?c kho^ng *grins*, tu+. do "luye^/n ai/" means: ca/c ba/c
Hi ba'c Tu`ng,
Te' ra to^i vo+'i ba'c ho.c cu`ng na(m ? Ba'c ho.c lo+'p chi va^.y ?
Da^n TX 85 o+? dda^y ddo^ng la('m\. The^' mo+'i bie^'t tra'i dda^'t
be' co?n con, ddi tu+' xu+' mo^.t ho^`i, la.i ga(.p nhau no+i dda^y\.
Ma` ca'c ba'c o+i, da^n TX 86 ddang xa'ch me' ba?o da^n TX 85 la` la'o
ddo'\. Cha? tha^'y ba'c na`o le^n tie^'ng, ca^m nhu+ he^'n va^.y ?
Cha`, ba'c dda~ bao gio+` tha^'y khi? ye^u nhau chu+a ? Ca'c cu. nga`y
xu+a "quan va^.t, thu? tu+o+.ng" ky~ la('m\. Tu+. do luye^'n a'i la`
luye^'n a'i nhu+ khi?, dda?m ba?o vo+'i ba'c hie^?u the^' kho^ng sai
ti' na`o dda^u\. Hi`nh nhu+ tha^.p nie^n 60 co' Ca'ch ma.ng ti`nh du.c,
ta^`m vo'c ngang ngu+?a Ca'ch ma.ng tu+ sa?n ddo' ba'c, chi? kha'c
ngu+o+`i ta kho^ng ddo`i "tu+. do bi`nh dda(?ng ba'c a'i" ma`
ddo`i "tu+. do luye^'n a'i"\. Xem ra 2 kha^?u hie^.u na`y cha? kha'c
gi` nhau dda^u\.
Cu. Freud ba?o con ngu+o+`i hoa.t ddo^.ng theo pleasure principle,
ma` pleasure chi? ddo+n gia?n la` contract between tension and its
reduction. Tra.ng tha'i hu+ng pha^'n la` va^.y, tension dde^'n cu+.c
ddie^?m thi` pha?i reduce no' ddi, va` the^' la` pleasure. Ki'ch thi'ch
cu~ng va^.y, chi? mo^~i mu.c ddi'ch dde^? ta.o ra tension and its
reduction. Nhi`n tre^n phu+o+ng die^.n na`y ra^'t con ngu+o+`i ddo+n
gia?n tho^i\. Va` theo cu. Freud thi` pleasure la` mu.c ddi'ch to^'i
ha^.u cu?a ca'c ba?n na(ng\. A(n, uo^'ng ... cu~ng chi? dde^? phu.c vu.
no' tho^i\. Ca? ba?n na(ng che^'t nu+~a ba'c a., last reduction cu?a
mo^~i con ngu+o+`i\. Va` pleasure ddu+o+.c bie^?u thi. trong ti`nh
du.c va` su+. ga^y go^? (aggression)\. Ba'c tha^'y ai kho^ng ti`m ddu+o+.c (hay
thie^'u) pleasure trong sex thi` ngu+o+`i ddo' hay ga^y go^?\.
Ngu+o+`i tho?a ma~n ti`nh du.c thi` i't ga^y go^?\. Nhu+ng co' ngu+o+`i
kho^ng tho?a ma~n ti`nh du.c, kho^ng ga^y go^? thi` ha(?n fantasy cu?a
ngu+o+`i ddo' ghe^ ngo+'m la('m. Ho. tho?a ma~n o+? ba^.c kha'c ddo+`i,
o+? fantasy\. Ba'c cu+' nhi`n o+? mailing list cu?a chu'ng ta theo Freud
thi` ba'c se~ hie^?u mo^~i member cu?a chu'ng ta mo^.t ca'ch sa^u sa('c
ho+n ddo'. Cu. Freud co`n ly' gia?i ca? ta.i sao chu'ng ta pha?i so^'ng
trong xa~ ho^.i nu+~a, va` tu+` ddo' se~ ra^'t de^~ hie^?u ta.i sao ba'c
pha?i lu+.a cho.n dde^? kho?i pha?i ca?nh con ruo^`i ba^.u me'p kho^ng dduo^?i
no^?i\. Nhu+ng ca'c ba'c thu+? tu+. nghi~ xem\.
Tra^`n Minh Tie^'n
> thi/ch the^/ na\o cu~ng ddu+o+.c nhu+ng trong "gio/i ha.n". chu+/ thu+?
> hoi? ne^/u ca/c ba/c cu/ "tu+. do" dde^? dde/n lu./c na(\m khe\o, con
> ruo^\i dda^.u me/p kho^ng dduo^?i thi\ co/ dda/ng dde^? ddo^?i la^/y
> thu+/ "tu+. do con khi?" ddo/ kho^ng? va\i do\ng nha?m nhi/, co/ gi\ so+
> so/t mong ca/c ba/c bo? qua cho.
> cheers
> tu\ng
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> a\, nha^n tie^.n lu/c len vnsa, xin ho?i co/ ba/c na\o ho.c thanh xua^n
> kho/a 1985 kho^ng xin cho ha^\u chuye^.n.
> co/ lo+\i nho+\ admin AnHai: admin cha(/c co/ bie^/t thu\y-dung (ho.c
> kho/a 87 o+? budapest), la^u nay co/ tin tu+/c gi\ khong. toi ma^/t lie^n
> la.c ma\. ca/m o+n ba/c.
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