Re: GIU'P DO*~ VIE.T NAM

[Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>]

Anh Hai,

I hate the tone you talked to me. I would say that you don't understand 
that I agreed with you at most points. If you read my article more 
carefully. But even if somebody doen npot agree with you, you should not
be so bitter. Opinions are opinions.
  I am curious what you want to say by comparing me with people in VN.


On Sat, 5 Apr 1997, PHUNG HO HAI wrote:

>  to^i ra^'t kho^ng do^`ng ti`nh vo*'i anh Ai Viet. Anh Ai
> Viet to? ra kho^ng co' thie^.n ca?m vo*'i ca'c tru*o*`ng co^ng va` prefer
> giu'p do*~ ca'c tru*o*`ng tu*? 
  
    Wrongly understood.
 
> Anh Ai  Viet to? ra tra'ch ca'c co* quan co' tra'ch nhie^.m o*? Vie^.t nam
> vo^ tra'ch nhie^.m trong vie^.c nha^.n ca'c loa.i vie^.n tro* khoa ho.c
> nu*o*.c ngoa`i. Theo to^i "tie^n tra'ch ky? ha^.u tra'ch nha^n". Vo*'i
> mo^.t do^`ng lu*o*`ng che^'t do'i o*? nha` la`m sao ma` ngu*o*`i ta co'
> the^/ la`m vie^.c to^'t du*o*.c.
> 
        This applies to any criticism. But why I have to blame myself in 
this case? What can I do with that salary?


> Theo to^i, ne^'u chu'ng ta muo^'n giu'p thi` ha~y la`m he^'t su*'c mi`nh
> de^? giu'p, du*`ng do`i ho?i o*? ngu*o*`i nha^.n die^`u na`y die^`u kia.

     What did I require? We have 10$ and want to use that money effectively. 

> Sa'ch cu?a ta gu*?i ve^` co' the^? bi. de^? cho chuo^.t ga(.m, bie^'t la`m
> sao du*o*.c ne^'u ngu*o*`i do.c quye^?n sa'ch  do' co' the^? co`n do'i
> ho*n chuo^.t! Co' thu*.c mo*'i vu*.c du*o*.c da.o. Chu'ng ta kho^ng giu'p
> du*o*.c "thu*." thi` giu'p "da.o" va^.y! 

    I don't understand your logics. Be sure that you are not confused.

> Mo^.t lu'c na`o do' ngu*o*`i ta
> no tha^n a^'m ca^.t thi` se~ ca^`n de^'n sa'ch. 

     Is this point relevant here?
> Xin tro*?
> la.i y' chi'nh, muo^'n giu'p thi` giu'p ta^.n ti`nh. Ne^'u ai co' sa'ch
> gi` muo^'n gu*?i thi` co^' ga('ng ti`m hie^?u cho^~ co' the^? nha^.n.
> Vu*`a ro^`i co' ngu*o*`i da~ de^` nghi. giu'p do*~ de^? contact  vo*'i
> mo^.t so^' no*i o*? Vie^.t nam. Nhu* va^.y chu'ng ta co the^? bie^'t sa'ch
> chu'ng ta gu?i ve^` da^u va` no*i do' thu*.c su*. ca^`n sa'ch.

    You are objecting while repeating my points.

> To^i co' tham gia cuo^.c ho.p cuo^'i na(m cu?a Vie^.n toa'n ho.c, tha'ng 2
> na(m nay. O^ng Da(.ng Vu~ Minh gia'm do^'c trung ta^m khoa ho.c tu*.
> nhie^n va` co^ng nghe^. co' pha't bie^?u ke^u go.i ca'c gia'o su* vie^'t
> sa'ch gia'o khoa va` chuye^n kha?o (monography
>
   I prefer translations. Writting books in VN means translating the part 
you understand and ignore when you don't.
 
> Tru*o*`ng da.i ho.c Ba'ch khoa Ha` no^.i, tru*o*`ng lo*'n nha^'t va` to^'t
> nha^'t cu?a vie^.t nam hie^.n nay dang thay do^?i gia'o tri`nh. To^i co'
> die^`u kie^.n no'i chuye^.n tru*.c tie^'p vo*'i o^ng Hoa`ng Xua^n Phong,
> hie^.u pho' phu. tra'ch da`o ta.o( who is said to become director soon).

> Xin nha('c la.i la` chu'ng ta du*`ng lo sa'ch mang ve^` kho^ng co'
> ngu*o*`i do.c va` cu~ng du*`ng  buo^`n ne^'u sa'ch cu?a chu'ng ta
> (gu*?i ve^`) chu*a
> ai do.c tha^.t. Co' the^? chu*a ai ca^`n nhu*ng se~ co' ngu*o*`i ca^`n.
> Trie^'t ly' mo^.t chu't: co' bao nhie^u ngu*o*`i da~ do.c ca'c co^ng
> tri`nh cu?a Newton khi o^ng co`n so^'ng?

  This is not phylosophy of poors.
> 
> Suy cho cu`ng chu'ng ta co' ho*n gi` nhu*~ng ngu*o*`i trong nu*o*'c.
> ngoa.i tru*` chu' ta dang o*? nu*o*'c ngoa`i. Anh Ai Viet se la`m du*o*.c
> gi` to^i va` ca'c ba.n se~ la`m du*o*.c gi` ne^'u do^`ng lu*o*ng la` 40US$
> ( or even less) mo^.t tha'ng?

    Dda' xoa'y to^i dda^y. At my time I received 1$ for a month and 
received no books from outside and published just few "unsignificant 
papers" abroad. But that is not a point here. What you want to say with 
this? Is VNSA responsible with this? 

> 
> Va^.y thi` "tie^n tra'ch ky? ha^.u tra'ch nha^n" va` ha~y co^' ga('ng
> giu'p he^'t mi`nh .

  Again ??????
> 
> Co`n ca'c tru*o*`ng Tu* ? They are doing their job. Kho^ng nhu~ng ho.c
> sinh co' cho^~ ma` ho.c de^? kho?i le^u lo^?ng, ca'c gia'o su* da.i ho.c
> cu~ng co' the^m tie^`n de^? du` va`o 40$ tie^`n lu*o*ng. Xin nha('c la.i
> ra(`ng o*? Vie^.t nam va^~n co' nhie^`u ngu*o*`i vu*`a di da.y the^m vu*`a
> nghie^n cu*'u khoa ho.c, ca'c co^ng tri`nh va^~n da(ng tre^n ca'c ta.p
> chi' the^' gio*'i. Ca'c co^ng tri`nh cu?a ho.c da'ng gia' ho*n cu?a chu'ng
> ta nhie^`u chu*'!

  Why am I not eligible to be among them any more ? You want to see my 
visa and passport?

  Anyway, please accept other view points and understand the same viewpoints
before trying to insult people.

  Cheers
  Aiviet

> 
> Phu`ng Ho^` Ha?i
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