Agenda and Summary ( Debate (2) )

[Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet2@yahoo.com>]

Hi anh Quyen va` ca? la`ng,
 
    Sau pha^`n Cung ca^'p Tu+ lie^.u va` Lua^.n to^.i
TMH cu?a anh HKQ theo ddu'ng li.ch tri`nh ma` anh
Quyen dda~ dde^` nghi. thi` dde^'n pha^`n ba`o chu+~a
cu?a to^i. Vi` ba`o chu+~a mang ti'nh cha^'t
interactive bao go^`m 1) cha^'t va^'n dde^? kie^m tra
ti'nh tho?a dda'ng cu?a ba(`ng chu+'ng va` 2)cha^'t
va^'n logic lua^.n to^.i ne^n Agenda trong pha^`n na`y
se~ go^`m 2 
pha^`n (ne^'u kha? quan thi` co' the^? the^m mo^.t
pha^`n 3) nhu+ sau:
   
    1) Kie^?m ddi.nh ti'nh tho?a dda'ng cu?a da^~n
chu+'ng: Ba`i DMT, TMH va` HC co' the^? xem nhu+ ba`i
1 cu?a li.ch tri`nh pha?n bie^.n. Ddo' chi? la` mo^.t
vi' du. ve^` nho'm ba(`ng chu+'ng dde^? tha^'y su+.
nghie^m tu'c hay tuy` tie^.n khi su+? du.ng ba(`ng
chu+'ng cu?a tra.ng su+. Qua pha^n ti'ch cu?a to^i,
to^i kho^ng tha^'y nho'm ba(ng chu+'ng na`y la`
relevant dde^? co' the^? lua^.n to^.i "TMH la` te^n
ddao phu?, pha?n khoa ho.c, ddo^.c die^~n, quy chu.p
dda.o ddu+'c chi'nh tri...". To^i kho^ng he^` tha^'y
anh Ha?o quy chu.p 
chi'nh tri. gi` o+? dda^y. Ngu+o+.c la.i to^i tha^'y
motif chi'nh cu?a ba`i anh DMT: "Tho+ HC kho^ng co'
ye^'u to^' ti`nh du.c" du+o+`ng nhu+ 
kho^ng vu+~ng.
     Anh HKQ kho^ng cha^'p nha^.n kie^?m ddi.nh na`y.
Tuy kho^ng tha?o lua^.n tru+.c tie^'p va`o motif
chi'nh, anh cho ra(`ng ca'ch ddo.c cu?a to^i  
kho^ng ddu'ng ( no'i cho ddu'ng ho+n la` kho^ng theo
y' anh Quyen va` anh DMT).
    Nhu+ va^.y tha?o lua^.n co' the^? be^' ta('c vi`
hai ca'ch ddo.c kha'c nhau. To^i kho^ng the^? cha^'p
nha^.n lo^'i ddo.c "sie^u va(n ba?n"  tu+` "da'ng 
nghie^ng nghie^n" ra "da'ng na(`m hu't thuo^'c
phie^.n".
     Quan ddie^?m cu?a to^i ve^` mu.c ddi'ch cu?a
tha?o lua^.n kho^ng pha?i la` dde^? he't quan ddie^?m
cu?a mi`nh va`o tai nhau ma` la` mo^.t qua' tri`nh
ho.c ho?i. Ne^'u kho^ng tho^'ng nha^'t ddu+o+.c mo^.t
ddi.nh che^' chung, ma` du+.a va`o hai ca'ch ddo.c
tu`y tie^.n thi` pha^`n na`y xem nhu+ kho^ng the^?
tie^'p 
tu.c ddu+o+.c. Anh nghi~ A to^i nghi~ B, to^i ddo.c A
tha`nh B anh ddo.c B tha`nh A thi` co`n gi` ma` tha?o
lua^.n. Ne^'u anh Quyen muo^'n tie^'p tu.c 
pha^`n na`y anh co' the^? lu+.a cho.n a) tie^'p tu.c
tranh lua^.n ve^` ti'nh tho?a dda'ng cu?a "ba(`ng
chu+'ng" ba(`ng mo^.t ca'ch ddo.c ddu+o+.c cha^'p
nha^.n tho^ng thu+o+`ng ho+n ( cha^'p nha^.n kho^ng ai
nghie^.n thuo^'c phie^.n ca?) b) Co^ng nha^.n 
cu.m ba(`ng co+' na`y kho^ng tho?a dda'ng va` ta co'
the^? ddi xe't ca'c cu.m ba(`ng co+' kha'c.
    Nhu+ng du` sao thi` va^~n co' hy vo.ng tie^'p tu.c
tha?o lua^.n, ma(.c du` vie^.c kha?o sa't ba(`ng
chu+'ng bi. be^' ta('c ba(`ng ca'ch sang pha^`n 2) 
ngay.
     
   2) Kha?o sa't ca'c ba(`ng chu+'ng buo^.c to^.i:
Trong ba`i cu?a anh Quyen co' mo^.t so^' kie^'n gia?i
( thi' du. ve^` LNBD) tu+o+ng ddo^'i kho^ng kha'c y' 
to^i ( I't ra anh co' ddu? kie^'n thu+'c dde^? nha^.n
thu+'c no' ho+n mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i dda~ co' di.p
pha't bie^?u). Vi` the^' to^i hy vo.ng se~ co' ddu?
ddi.nh che^' chung dde^? co' the^? tha?o lua^.n
tie^'p. Lu'c dda^`u to^i ti`m tha^'y mo^.t so^' ca(n
be^.nh chung trong ly' lua^.n cu?a VN trong ca'ch ly'
lua^.n cu?a anh Quyen va` ddi.nh ba`n tre^n bi`nh
die^.n chung ddo' vi nghi~ nhu+ the^' co' the^? co'
i'ch lo+.i ho+n.
 Nhu+ng nghi~ la.i to^i tha^'y trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p
cu. the^? na`y thi` ddi sa't va`o va(n ba?n cu?a anh
Quyen co' the^? la` mo^.t case study to^'t khi chu+a
tho^'ng nha^'t ddu+o+.c nhie^`u ve^` phu+o+ng pha'p.
Dde^? tra'nh ddi va`o chi tie^'t va` sa va`o bi`nh
lua^.n nhu.c ma. nhau theo kie^?u TMH&DMT hoa(.c pho^'
Bolsa to^i to'm ta('t la.i ba?n lua^.n to^.i cu?a anh
Quyen. Nhu+~ng "thi pha'p hie^.n dda.i" ( Thi pha'p
na`y to^i dda~ tha^'y nhie^`u trong cuo^.c tranh
lua^.n 
 vo^ bo^? giu+~a Ddo^ng Hoa`i va` nho'm cu?a Nam Mo^.c
tu+` nhu+~ng na(m 60) to^i se~ tu+o+'c bo? bo+'t dde^?
kho?i ru+o+`m ra` tranh lua^.n vo^ i'ch.
 Theo to^i nhu+~ng bi`nh lua^.n ca' nha^n  go.i la`
"thi pha'p hie^.n dda.i" ddo' chi? pha?na'nh vi. the^'
va` tha'i ddo^. cu?a ta'c gia? vo+'i va^'n dde^`.
DDo^'i vo+'i ngu+o+`i co' vi. the^' va` tha'i ddo^.
kha'c nhu+~ng bi`nh lua^.n ddo' kho^ng co' gia' tri.
nha^.n thu+'c.
   To^i se~ to'm ta('t hai ba`i lua^.n to^.i (1) va`
(2) va`o 24 ddie^?m ma` to^i cho la` tu+o+ng ddo^'i
co' ly' le~ khoa ho.c. Dde^` nghi. anh HKQ ddo.c la.i
xem to^i co' "bo'p me'o" hoa(.c hie^?u sai ddie^?m
na`o kho^ng. To^i co^' ga('ng ddo.c ca^?n tha^.n
tu+`ng ddoa.n ( bo? ngoa`i tai nhu+~ng eo xe`o) va`
theo sa't ma.ch nghi~ chi'nh cu?a hai ba`i na`y. Ne^'u
anh Quyen tha^'y ta.m cha^'p nha^.n ddu+o+.c ta co'
the^? tie^'p tu.c  ba`n tha?o.( Co^' nhie^n anh muo^'n
to^i co^ng nha^.n ngay anh Ha?o co' to^.i ngay kia)
 
   3) Ne^'u pha^`n 2 co' ke^'t qua? tu+'c la` anh
Quyen hoa(.c to^i du` i't du` nhie^`u co' thay ddo^?i
ve^` phu+o+ng pha'p hoa(.c ca'ch nhi`n nha^.n thi` ta
co' 
the^? va`o pha^`n 3) la` ddie^?m chi'nh trong tho^ng
ddie^.p cu?a to^i tu+` go'c ddo^. mo^.t ddo^.c gia?
ngoa`i nga`nh gu+?i cho ca'c nha` phe^ bi`nh Don
Quichotte trong mo^.t chie^'n tru+o+`ng bu`n la^`y
ddang vo^'c bu`n tra't va`o nhau mo^.t ca'c xa^u xi'.
O+? dda^y ta co' the^? tha?o lua^.n ca'c va^'n dde^`
va` kha'i nie^.m co+ ba?n cu?a Epistemology va` Ethics
nhu+ quan he^. giu+~a khoa ho.c va` xa~ ho^.i, ba(ng
chu+'ng, tri thu+'c va` y' kie^'n ddu'ng, ly' thuye^'t
va` tra'ch nhie^.m, the^' na`o la` tro^'n tra'nh
tra'ch 
nhie^.m va`o ly' thuye^'t va` the^' na`o la` ga'nh
va'c xa~ ho^.i, va` the^' na`o la` ga'nh va'c co'
hie^.u qua? va` the^' na`o la` lo+.i du.ng co+
ho^.i.....
 
    Theo to^i chu'ng ta ca^`n hie^?u ro~ va` ddu'ng
nhu+~ng kha'i nie^.m na`y thi` mo+'i co' the^? co'
mo^.t mo^i tru+o+`ng tranh lua^.n, mo^.t he^. tho^'ng
ddi.nh che^' dde^? gia'm ddi.nh. Nhu+~ng ddie^`u na`y
theo to^i la` ca^`n thie^'t ne^'u muo^'n tranh lua6.n
co' hie^.u qua?. Nhu+~ng "thi pha'p" kie^?u "ca po^'t
ra'ch, xu'c cu+'t,..." se~ kho^ng da^~n dde^'n dda^u
ca?.

   Theo to^i ba`n nhu+~ng kha'i nie^.m na`y ta pha?i
su+? du.ng ca'c kha'i nie^.m va` pha.m tru` "sa.ch
se~" kho^ng the^? LNBD nhu+ DMT&TMH. LNBD du` ta^'t
ye^'u va` co' mo^.t ta'c du.ng mo^.t tho+`i, dda~ qua
ro^`i.
Cho^'ng Mao ba(`ng pp cu?a Mao, cho^'ng LNBD ba(`ng
LNBD thi` tha^'t ba.i la` hie^?n nhie^n. Don Quichotte
du` co' tu+. cho mi`nh mo^.t su+' me^.nh cao quy'
cu~Ng kho^ng the^? tha('ng tra^.n ba(`ng kie^'m cu`n.

    Ddo' kho^ng pha?i la` su+. "tro^'n cha.y va`o ly'
thuye^'t mo^.t ca'ch vo^ tra'ch nhie^.m". Ddie^`u ddo'
chi? no'i le^n o+? mu+'c ddo^. phu+'c ta.p cu?a mu+'c
ddo^. pha't trie^?n ma` chu'ng ta dda~ dda.t ddu+o+.c
ho^m nay, thu+.c su+. ta ca^`n vu~ khi' ly' lua^.n
ma.nh ho+n dde^? dda^?y tranh lua^.n va(n chu+o+ng
cu?a ta ta('c ti. tu+` tho+`i 30-45 dde^? ddi dde^'n
nhu+~ng ddie^?m pha't trie^?n mo+'i. 

   Theo to^i ly' lua^.n o+? mu+'c ddo^. na`o ddo' la`
ca^'p ba'ch dde^? ta.o mo^.t mo^i tru+o+`ng tranh
lua^.n khoa ho.c vo+'i mo^.t ddi.nh che^' chung. Co`n
cho du` co' ke? tu+. phong cho mi`nh ba?o thu?
ngu+o+`i xu+ng ca^'p tie^'n, ma` kho^ng co' ddi.nh
che^' thi` chi? co' the^? gia?i quye^'t ba(`ng na('m
dda^'m ma` tho^i.
    
   Chu'ng ta hy vo.ng su+. vie^.c se~ kho^ng pha?i
nhu+ the^' vo+'i gia? thie^'t la` dda so^' chu'ng ta
du` nha~n hie^.u gi`, cu~ng tha`nh thu+.c tin o+?
nhu+~ng ddie^`u mi`nh ddangtheo dduo^?i la` co' lo+.i
cho xa~ ho^.i, chu+' kho^ng pha?i chi? co' nhu+~ng con
ky` nho^ng ddo^?i ma`u tre^n dda' ma` tu+. xu+ng la`
ddo^?i mo+'i.
 
Cheers
Aiviet

PS:  To^i gu+?i ba`i to'm ta('t sau dda^y, nho+` anh
Quyen va` ca? la`ng ddo.c dde^?
gia'm ddi.nh giu`m
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          TO'M TA('T "Ddoa.t gu+o+m Kopa'ny" (1) va`
(2) cu?a HKQ
A.                        
 1) To^.i danh cu?A TMH hie^?n nhie^n: ddao phu? pha?n
tha^?m my~ trong 
 guo^`ng ma'y pha?n da^n chu?.
 2) NAV ca^'p cho TMH ca'c danh hie^.u cao quy', ddo`i
loa.i bo? DMT
 3) Lu+.c ca?n va(n ho'a trong qua' tri`nh canh ta^n: 
     + ha.n che^' hoa(.c trie^.t tie^u ddo^'i thoa.i
=> ngu da^n
     + ca^`u an, kie^u nga.o, thie^'u tra'ch nhie^.m.
 4) Lu+o+ng na(ng bi`nh da^n: chi? ta.o ra nhu+~ng
o^ng Tra.ng trong 
 vu`ng kho^ng ta.o ra gia' tri. va(n ho'a co' ta^`m
nha^n loa.i.
    Ta.o ra nha^.p nha(`ng, chia re~ va` thu ha^.n.
 5) Ca^`n qua' tri`nh ba'c ho.c ho'a, hie^.n dda.i
ho'a => xua^'t hie^.n 
 pha'i ca^'p tie^'n: thi pha'p mo+'i ....
 6) Loa.i ba?o thu?: kho^ng ddu? tri`nh ddo^. va(n
ho'a => cuo^.c dda^'u tranh.
 7) Xung ddo^.t ho.c thua^.t => xung ddo^.t chi'nh
tri.. Xu hu+o+'ng chi'nh tri. 
 ho'a tranh lua^.n ho.c thua^.t.      
 8) Ba`i "vo~" cu?a pha'i ba?o thu? ( go.i ddi'ch danh
TMH va` TDDK): dda'nh 
 tra'o kha'i nie^.m. Lo+.i du.ng xung lu+.c VH dde^?
lo^' bi.ch ho'a hie^.n 
 dda.i.
 9) TMH: vo+` du+.a va`o truye^`n tho^'ng, tri'ch
da^~n ca('t xe'n, chu.p mu~, 
 xuye^n ta.c, xo? xie^n, ddo^'t dde^`n. cha` dda.p
thanh danh. Nhie^`u 
 ngu+o+`i co' nguy co+ ma^'t su+. nghie6.p hoa(.c
cha'n kho^ng muo^'n vie^'t.
     Ddo^.c die^~n.
     Che^ DDH, DT, Le^ Dda.t, HC, Nguye^~n Quang
Thie^`u, Tra^`n Da^`n.
 10) Ca'c nha` tho+ im la(.ng. Chi? co' DMT. NHS da'm
no'i.
    TMH co' lo+.i the^' ve^` truye^`n tho^ng. Truye^`n
tho^ng ba?o ve^..
  11) Cuo^'n "Ve^` mo^.t hie^.n tu+o+.ng phe^ bi`nh"
CHO THA^"Y TMH co' to^.i, 
  no^ng da^n tu`y tie^.n, ddo+n gia?n ho'a, ddo^.c
die^~n, pha?n khoa ho.c.
  12) Ke^'t lua^.n 1: Ca^`n loa.i tru+`. Trong khi NAV
chu+'ng minh ra(`ng ca'c
   no^~ lu+.c ddo' la` vo^ i'ch va` sai la^`m.
B.
  1) DMT la` ddo^'i thu? TMH so+. nha^'t ( ta'n
du+o+ng).
  2) Hai ngu+o+`i tha`nh ddo^'i thu? vi` kha'c nhau
ve^` quan nie^.m tha^?m my~ 
  va` u+'nhg xu+? va(n chu+o+ng.
  3) TDK va` TMH ddo`n ho^.i cho+. vi` DMT va.ch ro~
ti'nh Ta^y trong tho+ Khoa.
     ca? mo^.t bo^. ma'y muo^'n nha^'n chi`m DMT mo^.t
ca'ch "he`n ha.".
  4) DMT khu+o+'c tu+` huye^`n thoa.i, cha^'p nha^.n
ddo^'i ma(.t, kho^ng muo^'n 
  tro^'n va`o ly' thuye^'t. La`m he^'t pha^.n su+.
vo+'i hie^.n ta.i.
  5) Y' tu+o+?ng sai cu?a NAV: DMT dda'nh TMH kho^ng
du`ng ho.c thua^.t ma` pha 
  the^m ye^'u to^' "da^n gian" ( :-))
     Ddem logic khoa ho.c, ly' thuye^'t tro'i tay
pha'i ca^'p tie^'n dde^? ba?o 
     thu? "sa't ha.i".
  6) Y' tu+o+?ng ca' ddo^'i ba(`ng dda^`u. Thu+.c su+.
la` to^n tho+` loa.i tri' 
  gia? vo^ tra'ch nhie^.m ddu+'ng tre^n dda'm ho^~n
loa.n. Da^~n chu+'ng Duchamp 
  ca' ddo^'i ba(`ng dda^`u vo+'i bo^`n ta('m
  7)  Satre da^'n tha^n chi'nh la` "ca' ddo^'i ba(`ng
dda^`u" nha(`m cho^'ng 
 ba^'t co^ng va` no^ di.ch dde^? ddi va`o cuo^.c
kha'ng chie^'n nhu+ va`o nga`y ho^.i.
      Chi'nh la` Don Quichotte khi ba?o ve^. VN.
  ( Tie^'n bo^. Satre, Camus, Bertrand; Ba?o thu?:
Valery, Thomas Mann, Romain Roland)
  8) Suy ra: ca^`n ddo.c la.i ca'c ta'c pha^?m bi. TMH
la`m tho^ tu.c ho'a nhu+ DMT. 
  Kho^ng the^? phu? ddi.nh sa.ch tro+n.
     Qua DMT dde^? nhi`n ra the^' gio+'i dda thanh,
la^.p the^? bi. TMH che la^'p.
     Cha.y tro^'n va`o ly' lua^.n la` sai la^`m.    
     No'i ca~i nhau kho^ng ddi dde^'n dda^u la` sai
la^`m.
  9) DMT kho^ng be^nh tho+ HC. Ddo' la` mo^.t ca'ch
ddo.c kha'c TMH, cho du` kho^ng
  co' TMH thi` DMT va^~n ddu+a ra kie^'n gia?i cu?A
mi`nh.   
     Nhi`n nha^.n nhu+ va^.y la` ca?m ti'nh, ma(.c
ca?m dda.o ddu+'c kho^ng kha'c TMH.
  10) DMT kho^ng he^` dda'nh. Trao ddo^?i ho.c thua^.t
giu+~a DMT ve^` tho+ HC, LD, 
  Nguye^~n Quang Thie^`u  la` pha't trie^?n la`nh
ma.nh.
     NAV nha^`m
   11) Gia?i tu.c cu?a DMT co' ve? gio^'ng ha`nh vi
cu?a TMH nhu+ng "y' nghi~a" kha'c.
   Tu+o+ng tu+. nhu+ "ddoa.t y tha^`n chu+o+?ng" cu?a
HKQ. Tu+o+?ng la` va(ng ba^?n 
   chu+' su+. thu+.c la` xa bo^ng ta^?y ru+?a xa? ra.
   12) NAV che da^'u tu+ duy no^ng da^n Vie^.t nam
"tinh vi" nhu+ TMH. Chi? kha'c 
   TMH du`ng tinh tha^`n dda.o ddu+'c chi'nh tri., NAV
du`ng ho.c thua^.t. 
   Tha'i ddo^. be` ca'nh
        
          
  
     
 
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