Re: Thermal death, Physics's reign Re: Origine of Life

[Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet2@yahoo.com>]

Hi Vu~,

> nhu*ng co' la^`n tay prof cua? tui ve~  mo^.t ca'i
deduction diagram the^' na`y (arrow is read "is
deducted to"):
> 
> Biology -> Chemistry -> Physics -> Psychology ->
> [back to] Biology
> 
> Argument o*? dda^y la` Physics pha?i du*.a va`o
human psychology  dde^? xa^y du*.ng models/.
> 
   Tay na`y cu~ng subjectivist na(.ng. Ta.i sao "du+.a
va`o" ma` la.i tu+o+ng ddu+o+ng vo+'i "is deducted
to".
Ho?i xem ha('n xem cu+' du+.a va`o ca'i gi` thi` cu~ng
deduct ddu+o+.c co' pha?i kho^ng. Dde^` nghi. ha('n
cho bie^'t ca'i phe'p deduction tu+` Physics ( ta cu+'
no'i co+ ho.c co^? ddie^?n cho de^~) ve^` psychology
the^' na`o.

>  Thu*.c ra tui tha^'y kho^ng du`ng Physics dde^?
gia?i thi'ch  biology dduo*.c, vi` biology o*? level
kha'c/. Biological entities co' nhu*~ng emergent
attributes ma` physical & chemical entities kho^ng
co'/. 
>
   Thu+.c ra nha^.n xe't na`y co`n honest ho+n o^ng
tha^`y.
   Va^'n dde^` pha?i hie^?u the^' na`o la` deduction.
Ne^'u tu+` na`y ddu+o+.c su+? du.ng loosely thi` la.i
o^ng no'i ga` ba` no'i vi.t, me^.nh dde^` na`o cu~ng
ddu'ng va` cu~ng sai.
   Tho^ng thu+o+`ng quan he^. do deduction ga^y ra
gio^'ng nhu+ quan he^. giu+~a mo^.t toa`n the^? va`
ca'c tha`nh pha^`n cu?a no'. Qua' tri`nh sinh va^.t
na`o ma` kho^ng co' qua' tri`nh va^.t ly' hay
sinh-ho'a tham gia. Ne^'u to^`n ta.i mo^.t qua' tri`nh
nhu+ the^' thi` kho^ng the^? deduct biology ve^`
Physics.

   Co`n no'i ve^` attribute, thi` he^. hai va^.t dda~
co' nhu+~ng attributes ma` ca? hai va^.t rie^ng re~
dde^`u kho^ng co', huo^'ng ho^`he^. bio la` mo^.t
complex go^`m ra^'t nhie^`u ca'c tha`nh pha^`n
ly'-ho'a.

> Creationism cu~ng va^.y, no' o*? level kha'c vo*'i
> science/. Tui co^ng 
> nha^.n la` 6-day model is a bad one, nhu*ng ma`
> trong lu'c ta ti`m kie^'m a 
> better one thi` pha?i ta.m cha^'p nha^.n no' dda~

  Well. Co' ngu+o+`i cha^'p nha^.n, co' ngu+o+`i
kho^ng. Ta.i sao la.i "pha?i". Chu+~ pha?i na`y chi?
pha?n a'nh chu? quan. Ne^'u to^i dda~ theo dda.o
thie^n chu'a, to^i tha^'y co' ca'c ba(`ng chu+'ng khoa
ho.c tha^'y ra(`ng 6-day model is bad, nhu+ng to^i
chu+a ti`m tha^'y ca'i gi` thay the^', thi` to^i
"pha?i" ta.m cha^'p nha^.n. Ne^'u to^i kho^ng pha?i
ti'n ddo^` TCG, to^i tha^'y ca'c ba(`ng chu+'ng cho
ra(`ng 6-day model is bad, tuy chu+a co' ly' thuye^'t
na`o nhu+ng to^i dda~ co' the^? no'i Genesis is wrong.

> vi` Bible kho^ng pha?i  chi? co' mo^~i Genesis.

  Da^y la` chuye^.n kha'c. Tuy nhie^n co' mo^.t va^'n
dde^` tha^`n ho.c ra^'t lo+'n : Bible co' the^? co'
ddoa.n sai hay kho^ng. Quan ddie^?m cho dde^'n nay
cu?a gia'o ho^.i la` Bible kho^ng co' ddie^?m sai vi`
dda~ ddu+o+.c vie^'t theo y' chu'a.
  Ne^'u co^ng nha6.n Genesis sai la` ddo^.ng cha.m
to+'i ca^u ho?i trung ta^m na`y ( co' nhie^n kho^ng
lie^n quan gi` to+'i ca^u chuye^.n cu?a ta o+? dda^y)
   
> Evolution cu~ng la` mo^.t ca'i model ho*n la` truth
of what happened/. Model na`y co' the^? ddem du`ng
trong kinh te^', chi'nh tri.,  tha^.m chi' ca?
Physics/. Tuy evolution kha' hie^.u qua? dde^? nghie^n

> cu*'u biology, nhu*ng ra^'t co' the^? mo^.t nga`y
> na`o ddo' no' se~ bi.  thay the^' bo*?i mo^.t model
kha'c to^'t ho*n/.
> 

  La.i pha?i hie^?u the^' na`o la` truth hay model.
Ne^'u thu+a` nha^.n no' la` mo^.t good model (cho
dde^'n mo^.t nga`y na`o ddo') la` qua' ddu?. Mo.i
theory dde^`u cu~ng chi? ddu'ng cho to+'i mo^.t nga`y
na`o ddo'. Tuy nhie^n kho^ng pha?i thay the^' co'
nghi~a la` phu? ddi.nh sa.ch tro+n. To^i kho^ng bie^'t
ly' thuye^'t mo+'i se~ the^' na`o, tuy nhie^n to^i co'
the^? no'i ngay mo^.t criteria cho ly' thuye^'t mo+'i:
ne^'u a'p du.ng va`o nhu+~ng va^'n dde^` bio, Physics,
economy,... ma` ta ddang xem xe't nga`y ho^m nay thi`
no' pha?i cho nhu+~ng ke^'t qua? gio^'ng he^. nhu+
Evolution. Tu+'c la` no' pha?i la` extension cu?a
evolution.

   Nhie^`u ngu+o+`i nha^`m cho ra(`ng Einstein phu?
nha^.n Newton cho Newton la` sai, hay Quantum
mechanics
chu+'ng minh co+ co^? ddie^?n sai.

   Ti`m ra mo^.t discipline mo+'i ro^.ng ho+n
discipline cu~ bao gio+` cu~ng pha?i chu+'ng minh
"ddi.nh ly' tu+o+ng ddu+o+ng" tu+'c la` tro+? ve^` 
nhu+~ng limit nha^'t ddi.nh bao gio+` cu~ng pha?i suy
ra ca'c ly' thuye^'t cu~ nhu+ nhu+~ng tru+o+`ng ho+.p
rie^ng. Ly' thuye^'t mo+'i thu+o+`ng chi? chi? ra ca'c
pha.m vi u+'ng du.ng mo+'i ma` o+? ddo' ca'c ly'
thuye^'t co^? ddie^?n ma^'t ti'nh validity.

Cheers
Aiviet



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