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Re: Lu+o+ng Bo^?ng Dda.i Ho.c
Chao anh Ut say va cac bac vnsa,
First let me establish some baseline and limit the scope. Without these
check points I'm afraid we may get more comfused than informed:
1. I only talked about software engineering/software development
2. I only talked about the situation in silicon valley
3. My definition: senior software developer = one who has a degree and
at least 5 years experience in a _demanding_ field
--- U't Say <utsay@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Cha`o anh Cuong Nguyen,
>
> Thu' tha^.t vo+'i anh! Lu+o+ng to^i du+o+'i $100K ma` va^~n so^'ng
> nhu+
> thu+o+`ng, chu+' co' che^'t tha(`ng Ta^y na`o dda^u!
>
do la` vi anh khong song o silicon valley! Neu anh co gia dinh (vo va
con cai) ma` chi nho vao dong luong cua anh thi` thang Tay chac cu~ng
ngat ngu* con tau di :-) Chi? xin dua ra nhung con so die^?n hi`nh:
1 can nha` bay gi`o o khu truong ho.c co^ng co^.ng khong kha' ma^'y
(san jose) cu~ng trung binh la` $350,000, suy ra tien nha moi thang phai
tra la` ~ $1,000 (30-year loan), ngoai ra con cac chi tieu lat vat nu~a
ma toi nghi~ la` gia dinh co con cai na`o cu~ng phai xa`i. Ca'i na(.ng
nu~a la` muon cho con co tuong lai thi` lai phai gu?i chung va`o
hoc truo`ng private. La.i mo~i thang $500 1 dua ro`i, co`n gi`!
Etc.
> Anh vie^'t:
>
> "Cho^~ khac thi` toi khong ranh nhung o silicon valley
> na`y giao su dai hoc ma` lam luong duoi 100K thi` chi? co'
> nguo`i do*? hay la` khong ti`m duoc industrial jobs la`m
> the^m thoi chu la`m sao ma song no^?i!!! "
>
> Ca^u na`y la`m to^i nga.c nhie^n he^'t su+'c. To^i pha^n va^n kho^ng
> hie^?u, bo^. khi la`m gia'o su+ dda.i ho.c thi` a(n mo^.t nga`y ho+n 3
> bu+~a, va` na(`m ngu? ca^`n ho+n mo^.t ca'i giu+o+`ng hay sao\? Va` khi
> anh no'i "do+?"/"gio?i", anh du+.a tre^n so^' lu+o+ng dde^? dda'nh gia'
> hay sao\? So^' ng` do+? hoa(.c gio?i ddo' ddu+o+.c tho^'ng ke^ nhu+
> the^'
> na`o, 5%, 10% hay 50%?
>
ve muc song thi toi da~ noi o tre^n. Co`n ve gioi do cu?a giao su thi`
y' cua toi la` nhu sau:
cac giao su CS dau phai ai cu~ng gioi, cu~ng biet leading edge
technologies. Thanh ra nhung nguoi na`y se~ khong ti`m duoc viec la`m
them hoac khong the ra ngoai lam viec duoc. Toi khong noi nhung giao su
na`y do*? trong lop ho.c hoac giang da.y. Nhung ho. khong compete
duoc voi nhung dong nhgiep khac.
> To^i dda~ thu+a ro^`i\. Co' the^? tru+o+`ng ho+.p o+? ha~ng anh,
> hoa(.c
> mo^.t va`i ha~ng anh bie^'t no' na(`m o+? trong con so^' 1.7% (nhu+ to+`
> ba'o EE Times dda~ la`m tho^'ng ke^ trong na(m 1998) nhu+~ng sr. s/w
> engrs
> co' so^' lu+o+ng $100K. Tuy nhie^n, xin anh nha^.n ra ra(`ng con so^'
> na`y
> ra^'t nho?, so vo+'i "ta^'t ca?" ca'c sr. s/w engrs. Co`n PhD lu+o+ng
> trung bi`nh la` $86,600, va` chi? 25% la` ddu+o+.c so^' lu+o+ng $100K.
>
> Vi` va^.y, khi anh tuye^n bo^' "o+? Silicon Valley ca'c sr. engrs
> dde^`u la~nh $100K" anh la`m to^i ... tu?i la('m!
:-) la`m sao ma toi co the tuyen bo la` tat ca? senior software engineers
deu lam tren 100K duoc !!! Xin loi neu anh da~ hieu y toi nhu vay.
Co`n neu ma` 1 senior software developer (I hate the word software
engineer :-) hoi du? dieu kien ma toi dinh nghi~a o*? #3 phia tren
thi` toi chac chan la` luong cua anh ta se~ tren 100K o silicon valley
na`y.
Thoi buoi na`y kiem ho. do? ma('t chua ra ma`! Bay gi`o cac ha~ng dang co
khuynh huong la` cho signing bonus, relocation bonus, etc. nhu cau thu?
football vay de^? loi keo nhan vien. Ngoa`i ra, it nhat la` nhu~ng cho^~
toi
duoc biet, thi` khi 1 employee gioi thieu 1 nguo`i va`o 1st interview thi`
nguoi nhan vien do' se~ duo.c ha~ng ta(.ng $300. Va` neu nguoi do' duo.c
muo'n va`o la`m permanent thi` nguoi gioi thieu se~ duoc $3,500 va` 1 co
hoi
rut tham de du lich Hawaii/Alaska for two. Toi noi vay chi? de^? chung
minh
ra(`ng software developers here are calling the shot these days.
>Va` nha^'t la` khi
> ca^u
> tuye^n bo^' hu`ng ho^`n a^'y kho^ng ddu+o+.c xa'c ddi.nh ddu'ng mu+'c
> ca`ng la`m ca'c anh/chi. trong nghe^` hoa(.c co`n ddang ddi ho.c hoang
> mang, va` co' khi tha^'t vo.ng khi kho^ng dda.t ddu+o+.c so^' lu+o+ng
> ddo'.
>
Toi hoan toan khong co y' gi` ngoa`i noi ra nhung gi` toi biet hoac da~
trai qua trong khi dang sinh song va lam viec tai silicon valley na`y.
Cu~ng may la` co' anh Tra'c chia xe? chut y kien. Thank you Trac,
best
Cuong
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