Re: China and Vietnam

[Vo Van Phuong <phuongvv@dk-online.dk>]

Hello ca'c ba'c,

Ca'i dde^\ ta\i ma\ chu'ng ta ddang ddang tranh lua^.n la\ " China &
Vietnam" Va\ ne^'u to^i so sa'nh va\ related ~ca'i msgs cu+?a ca'c ba'c
to+'i ca'i dde^\ ta\i tre^n thi\ to^i ho+i confused. Nhu+ng no'i chung
thi\ to^i co' ~ observation sau dda^y:

Ba'c Tie^'n:
1)Theo to^i hie^?u thi\ ba'c vo^ cun\g nhie^.t ti\nh khi ba\n ve^\
  Vietnam, va\ ba'c ra^'t la\ Vietnam(positive thought) so vo+'i ~ ng\
  Vietnam o+? ha?i ngoa.i, vo+'i ~ ng\ ddu+o+.c go.i la\ Vie^.Kie^\u
  va\ su+. ha?nh die^.n ve^\ ca'i ddu+o+.c go.i la\ ta^y ho'a cu?a ho.
  To^i hoa\n doa\n ddo^\ng y' vo+'i ba'c ve^\ su+. nha^. xe't tre^n,
nhu+ng
  theo to^i nghi~ thi\ o+? dda^u cu~ng va^.y, co' ng\ na^\y thi\ pha?i
co'
  ngu+o+\i kia, xa^'u va\ to^'t la\ 2 ca'i luo^n luo^n ddi ddo^i vo+'i
nhau
  trong ba^'t ky\ mo^i tru+o+\ng va\ hoa\n ca?nh na\o cun~n va^.y. Ca'i
  ca^n ba<\ng ve^\ Xa^'u va\ to^'t la\ 1 pha^\n lo+'n do chi'nh chu'ng
ta
  die^\u khie^?n la^'y. Vi' du. nhu+ tru+o+\ng ho+.p ve^\ ca'i dde^\
ta\i
  ma\ chu'ng ta ddang tranh lua^.n:
  - Ne^'u ba'c dda~ 0 dde^\ ca^.p dde^'n ho^.i nghi. Bi\nh tha^n khi
ba'c A'i
    Vie^.t no'i ve^\ ho^.i nghi. Die^n Ho^\ng thi\ O co' ca'i chuye^.n
"tranh 
    cha^'p be^n le^\" nhu+ ba^y gio+\.
 Theo to^i thi\ ba'c ne^n cho ~ ng\ VN kha'c co' co+ ho^.i "la\m ng\
Vietnam"
 trong ca'i tinh tha^\n "Die^n Ho^\ng" ho+n la\ ddo\i ho?i ho. pha?i la\
ngu+o+\i
 VN trong khi ho. chi? ddu+o+.c cha^'p thua^.n trong ho^.i nghi. Bi\nh
Tha^n.
  - "Gia\.c to+'i nha\ dda\n ba\ pha?i dda'nh" ca'i y' nghia~ cu?a ca'i
ca^u
     na\y thi\ cha<'c ba'c ra\nh ho+n to^i, duy chi? co' 1 ddie^\u to^i
muo^'n no'i
     o+? dda^y la\: Chu'ng ta pha?i ta^.n du.ng ~ ca'i resource ta co'
va\ dde^? 
     ddo^'i pho' vo+'i gia<.c thi\ su+'c ma.nh cu?a ddo\an ke^'t va\
bie^'t ta^.n          du.ng resource la\ ddie^\u to^'i ca^\n thie^'t
dde^+ chu'ng ta co' the^? giu'p        cho su+. hu+ng vong cu?a
que^hu+o+ng. Ch'nh vi\ the^' theo to^i thi\ ba^'t cu+'
     ca'i resource na\o cu~ng qui' ca?.
                   

Xin cha\o ca'c ba'c :)


Vo~ Va<n Phu+o+ng




Tuan Pham wrote:
> 
> Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
> 
> >Oh, kha'c nhau nhie^`u la('m\. Nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i Minh hu+o+ng
> >khi sang VN thi` ho. co' co`n ga^n co^? vo~ mo^`m ye^u sa'ch
> >nha` Thanh tra? nu+o+'c la.i cho nha` Minh kho^ng ? Ho. Ly'
> >Hoa so+n khi sang Trie^`u tie^n co' gu+?i ye^u sa'ch nha` Tra^`n
> >thoa'i vi. kho^ng ? Tu.i My~ theo Washington co' ba('t vua Anh
> >(hay nu+~ hoa`ng Anh) pha?i che^'t kho^ng ? DDa^'y la` 1 chuye^.n\.
> >
> 
> Cha`, ta.i sao ba'c Tie^'n la.i ddem ma^'y chuye^.n
> "ta^`m pha`o" ddo' le^n VNSA va^.y ?
> Ddo.c vnsa ma^'y tha'ng nay dda^u co' tha^'y ai ddo`i tra?
> la.i nu+o+'c mi' la.i ba('t ai pha?i che^'t dda^u ? :)
> Coi bo^. ba'c ta^'n co^ng lo^.n forum ro^`i do'!
> 
> >Chuye^.n kha'c la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ddu+o+`ng ddu+o+`ng mang quo^'c
> >ti.ch VN, mo+? mie^.ng va^~n nha^.n thuo^.c da^n to^.c VN, va(n ho'a
> >VN, no'i nhu+ ro^`ng bay phu+o+.ng mu'a ve^` kie^'n thie^'t, xa^y
> >du+.ng VN etc. nhu+ng chi? toa`n ngo^`i o+? nu+o+'c ngoa`i kie^'n
> >thie^'t va` xa^y du+.ng VN ba(`ng mo^`m tho^i\. Tuy nhie^n cu~ng
> >pha?i ca?m o+n ho. vi` xa^y ba(`ng mo^`m cu~ng la` xa^y, co' co`n
> >ho+n kho^ng va` ho. cho ra(`ng o+? ho. o+? nu+o+'c ngoa`i thi` se~
> >hu+~u i'ch cho VN ho+n ho+n la` ho. o+? VN\.
> >
> 
> Ca'i na`y ho^?ng pha?i chuye^.n cu?a to^i, nhu+ng cu~ng xin
> ba`n ngang 1 chu't. Tho+`i na`y la` information era,
> tho+`i dda.i cu?a ca'i mo^`m, ca'i keyboard, ideas va`
> information co`n qui' ho+n gio.t mo^` ho^i gio.t ma'u dda^'y
> ba'c Tie^'n a.\. Su+. thu+.c thi` tu+` xu+a va^~n the^' - la`m
> tu+o+'ng ma` do^'t thi` li'nh che^'t, la`m vua quan ma` do^'t
> thi` nu+o+'c ma^'t, ddi buo^n ma` do^'t thi` sa.t nghie^.p.
> 
> Ne^'u ng` tri' thu+'c kho^ng nga.i no'i, ne^'u ng` tra'ch nhie^.m
> bie^'t nghe, thi` co' le~ nu+o+'c ta se~ cha(?ng bao la^u ma`
> ba('t ki.p Taiwan, Korea cu+a dda^'y. Vi` va^.y trong 1 msg
> tru+o+'c dda^y to^i vie^'t ra(`ng VN pha?i work hard and SMART.
> Co`n ne^'u cu+' cho ra(`ng ta dda^y nha^'t ro^`i, kho^ng ai
> ddu+o+.c no'i nu+~a, thi`, hi` hi`...
> Ca'i gu+o+ng Tu+. Ddu+'c co`n so+` so+` ra ddo'.
> 
> >Chuye^.n kha'c nu+~a la` dda^`y da^~y ngu+o+`i Vie^.t o+? ca'c tra.i
> >ty. na.n o+? DDu+'c, Ho^`ng ko^ng etc. kho^ng muo^'n la`m da^n Vie^.t
> >ma` ho. co' ddu+o+.c ca'i kho^ng na`y kho^ng ? Sao ho. kho^ng co'
> >quye^`n lu+.a cho.n da^n to^.c ? Ba'c A'i Vie^.t, Tua^'n Pha.m ...
> >giu'p ho. ddu+o+.c kho^ng ? Ca'c ba'c ma` giu'p ho. ddu+o+.c thi` phu'c
> >ddu+'c co`n nhie^`u ho+n ca? ca't so^ng Ha(`ng ddo'\.
> >
> >DDie^`u mi?a mai kinh khu?ng ma` to^i tha^'y la` da^n ty. na.n thi`
> >kho^ng ddu+o+.c quye^`n ty. na.n, co`n du ho.c sinh ddo+`i cha cho
> >chi' ddo+`i con hu+o+?ng lo^.c cu?a CHXHCN VN thi` la.i ddu+o+.c
> >ty. na.n\. Ca'i dda'm da^n dden kia chi? vi` kho^ng ddu+o+.c ho.c
> >bo^?ng du ho.c ne^n do^'t kho^ng bie^'t ma'nh ma` la`m ty. na.n\.
> >Cu+' ho?i ca'c ba'c .... thi` ro~\.
> >
> 
> Va^.y ba'c co' bao gio+` tu+. ho?i ta.i sao la.i co' nhie^`u
> ng` da^n VN kho^ng muo^'n la`m da^n Vie^.t kho^ng? La` 1 ng`
> tri' thu+'c, ddo+`i ddo+`i a(n lo^.c cu?a quo^'c gia da^n to^.c VN,
> ba'c co' nghi~ ra(`ng ti`nh tra.ng ddo' ca^`n ca?i thie^.n kho^ng?
> 
> Cheers
> Tuan Pham