Re: Subject: Hotmail

["Toan" <toan@usa.net>]

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> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
>Hi Anh Te`o,

hi` hi`, thanks for accepting the pseudonym!
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>     One more idea: If you can use hotmail, you should have access to
> a ISP account.
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This may be the case for Hotmail ( I am ignorant here), but not necessarily
so for other places. There are Web-based mailers. 
There are also stations like the one at my work--Public Web access network
that I find at times, there are people who sneak a mail box of theirs into
the local machine...
Then, there's the  work place. Some companies do not allow leaving mail for
long or large volume.
Well, not to belabour the point, I do see the concern for mean spirited
people <la`m ra^`u no^`i canh>.

I do not want to dismiss people's concern or uneasiness, but at times it is
funny to think you are dealing with a real person just because of some ISP
or an e-mail address. We should deal with the process, the building of that
person's credibility/ethos instead.

Hackers used routed ISP to try breaking into other government's system.
This is classic. They used US government address to break into North
Korea's system. Should war break out? 

I am just thinking of interesting implications of the question of Space,
Origination, and Identity.

Like the other day, I was going to make a big joke about Ba'o Tuo^?i Tre?
on the Web. Just because you see a few pages and a picture does not mean
anything about its authenticity, even a <realistic looking> URL can be
generated <virtually>.

I thought of bringing Tuo^?i Tre? over to my server, gave it a few more
touch ups, an unexpected article, and then announced to all Tuo^?i Tre? is
on the WEB for real.

On the first week of class, back in the days when there was only NCSA
Mosaic 1, a guy in class mocked up a CIA page with its Seal (hyperlinked to
CIA). Everyone was a bit shocked. But now that's old joke. 

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>With that account you use the Web browser. I don't know
> any case that you cannot have your account with that ISP account.
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Ok, what if , like some people I know, who share an ISP?(one payment for
one account, two or three people use) College students at small schools
that do not have work stations available do this, people living in group
homes do this. I know of at least two people who do this.

Oh, by the way, I think with Juno, you do not need an ISP at all. They
provide a dial-up number, even a toll-free one, software, etc...(of course
you get the ads).

I thought of trying it out for fun but hate the idea of getting software to
load on my machine.

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>     An additional effort should have an additional motivation. This is 
> not a question of legacy just an ethical one.
> 
> Cheers
> Aiviet
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This additional question is dependent on the premis preceding it. Therefore
it's relative depending on whether the counter premis is taken.

How do we determine what is an additional effort? Certainly it would be
much clearer if given the stated premise above, but that is many times not
the case.

I have been working on getting e-mail accounts for people who do not have
computers, do not have access by themselves, and I myself have many acounts
from vaious ISP's. I use the one I like most, easiest to remember, and I do
use the other ones for various other reasons, government, official
business, impersonal, convenience...

The State of Maryland Department of Education has a Sailor Internet
project, a primary education e-mail and Web project. At times, kids use
theirs to get more free accounts for elders in the family or friends.  

Talking about geocities, it's a fun place! I have an account  there, but
haven't been to it for a while. Of course, there are bad intents
everywhere, but so are the good ones.
There's another example. You can use a friends account (legit with
geocities policy) to obtain yours & 2 MG of Web space. Once you're done,
you can come to any public library Web access, or any store fron or cafe
with Web access and you're no longer a homeless! 

Again, this is interesting. We are thinking with perplexing analogies that
do not neccessairy correspond with the tangible world that once was before
cyberspace. the sense of responsibility is not the same, accountability,
which I think is the concern here, is hard to identify.

What if I really had multiple personalities and came to VNSA under many
different names?--made possible by the Internet! 

Te`o