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RE: Children of nobody
Anh AnHai and Friends,
Let me clarify the matter.
I am a supporting subsciber of vnsa, and have been persuading my friends
to join. They asked me to forward samples of great messages from the
forum. They like to participate by replying, but got a bounced message
since they are not the members. They then ask me to forward their
message.
I did not know that the admin staff is that sensitive....
Wayne
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>From: AnHai Doan[SMTP:anhai@cs.washington.edu]
>Sent: Sunday, May 25, 1997 10:06 AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: Children of nobody
>
>
>Ca'c ba'c,
>
>Tru+o+'c khi post, to^i dda~ nghi~ la` message cu?a to^i tre^n vnsa ve^`
>vie^.c na`y se~ la`m pha^.t lo`ng nhie^`u ngu+o+`i. Ve^` vie^.c na`y to^i
>xin tha`nh tha^.t xin lo^~i. Nhu+ng to^i cu~ng xin kha(?ng di.nh la.i
>mo^.t la^`n nu+~a la` ne^'u cho to^i post la.i thi` to^i cu~ng se~ pha?i
>post mo^.t message tu+o+ng tu+. (co' the^? lo+`i le~ hoa` nha~ ho+n). To^i
>post message no'i tre^n vo+'i tu+ ca'ch ca' nha^n (mo^.t tha`nh vie^n cu?a
>VNSA), nhu+ng vo+'i suy nghi~ la` no' co' lo+.i i'ch nhu+ the^' na`o
>ddo^'i vo+'i VNSA. Trong chu+`ng mu+.c to^i cho ra(`ng no' co' lo+.i cho
>VNSA, thi` du` no' co' la`m mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i hie^?u nha^`m ve^` to^i,
>to^i va^~n cu+' pha?i post. Mong ca'c ba'c hie^?u cho i't nha^'t la` nhu+
>va^.y.
>
>Chuye^.n na`y co' nhie^`u vie^.c te^' nhi. kho^ng the^? ba`n no+i co^ng
>co^.ng, ba'c na`o muo^'n ti`m hie^?u the^m thi` nho+` chuye^?n qua private
>e-mail. Nhu+ng trong pha.m vi thu+ na`y to^i se~ co^' ga('ng dde^? ca'c
>ba'c hie^?u pha^`n na`o nhu+~ng gi` motivate posting cu?a to^i.
>
>1) Anh Ian Nguyen kho^ng pha?i la` mo^.t member cu?a VNSA. To^i kho^ng
>hie^?u anh Wayne forward message na`y tu+` dda^u va`o, va` to^i kho^ng
>hie^?u anh Ian bie^'t ddu+o+.c nhu+~ng tho^ng tin gi` ve^` chuye^.n na`y.
>
>Vie^.c forward posting cu?a nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ngoa`i VNSA ba`n ve^`
>nhu+~ng vie^.c *trong VNSA* theo to^i ne^n la`m mo^.t ca'ch he^'t su+'c
>ca^?n tha^.n, nha^'t la` nhu+~ng chuye^.n te^' nhi. To^i dda~ nhi`n tha^'y
>nhie^`u tru+o+`ng ho+.p ca~i nhau lie^n mie^n tre^n ca'c die^~n dda`n vi`
>postings ddu+o+.c forward qua la.i giu+~a nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i trong va`
>ngoa`i. N~ ngu+o+`i o+? ngoa`i hoa(.c kho^ng co' ddu? tho^ng tin, hoa(.c
>kho^ng hie^?u ddu+o+.c posting style cu?a die^~n dda`n ne^n thu+o=`ng co'
>n~ posting de^~ ga^y ra tranh ca~i va` hie^?u nha^`m. Mo^.t ddie^?n hi`nh
>cu?a vie^.c na`y la` posting cua? anh Ian Nguyen ddu+o+.c forwarded bo+?i
>anh Wayne. Ne^'u anh Ian Nguyen la` mo^.t tha`nh vie^n cu?a VNSA thi` co'
>le~ anh se~ hie^?u nhu+~ng ca^u "ddang la(.ng le~ tu+` gia~ co~i tra^`n
>vi` la` con cha'u cu?a "nobody"" kho^ng nhu+~ng mang a^m hu+o+?ng xa^'u
>ve^` ma(.t chi'nh tri. ma` co`n la`m nhie^`u ngu+o+`i ca?m tha^'y bi. xu'c
>pha.m. Ne^'u anh Ian co' y' to^'t, xa^y du+.ng va` la` tha`nh vie^n
>VNSA thi` anh se~ kho^ng vie^'t mo^.t ca^u a` la SCV de^~ bi. hie^?u
>nha^`m nhu+ va^.y.
>
>2) Theo nhu+ to^i bie^'t thi` o+? Vietnam VPQH kho^ng lie^n quan gi` to+'i
>nhu+~ng vie^.c nhu+ tha`nh la^.p ca'c ho^.i "support group". DDa^y la`
>mo^.t vie^.c ma` to^i nghi~ la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i tham gia thread na`y
>dde^`u hie^?u. Vie^.c na`y xin mie^~n ba`n the^m. Mo^.t suy nghi~ cho
>ra(`ng "VP QH ne^n la^.p ra mo^.t ho^.i ...." thi` a^'u tri~ ve^` ma(.t
>chi'nh tri. dde^'n mu+'c nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i hie^?u va^'n dde^` se~ cho
>ra(`ng ca^u na`y ddu+o+.c vie^'t vo+'i y' mi?a mai, chu+' kho^ng pha?i
>vo+'i y' la` ng` vie^'t thu+.c su+. la` kho^ng hie^?u va^'n dde^`.
>
>3) Anh Ian vie^'t "ca'c tre? em VN ... kha'c ddang la(.ng le~ tu+` gia~
>co~i tra^`n vi` la` con cha'u cu?a nobody". Ca^u na`y co' the^? hie^?u
>theo nghi~a ti'ch cu+.c "la` kho^ng co' access dde^'n Internet, kho^ng co'
>co+ ho^.i ra n'c ngoa`i chu+~a cha.y", nhu+ng cu~ng de^~ da`ng bi. hie^?u
>theo nghi~a tie^u cu+.c "con cha'u cu?a nobody ne^n kho^ng ddu+o+.c chu+~a
>cha.y tu+? te^'" a'm chi? n~ ddie^`u negative ve^` nga`nh Y Te^' VN va`
>nhie^`u ng` kha'c. Va^'n dde^` o+? dda^y la` anh Ian du`ng hai cu.m tu+`
>"ddang la(.ng le~ tu+` gia~ co~i ddo+`i" va` "con cha'u cu?a nobody"
>mang nghi~a he^'t su+'c negative. Kho' co' the^? tu+o+?ng tu+o+.ng
>ddu+o+.c mo^.t ngu+o+`i hie^?u bie^'t vie^'t mo^.t message mang ti'nh go'p
>y' xa^y du+.ng ma` la.i vie^'t nhu+ the^' na`y.
>
>4) Vie^.c giu'p ddo+~ cha'u TL la` mo^.t vie^.c hoa`n toa`n xua^'t pha't
>tre^n quan ddie^?m nha^n dda.o. Qua nhu+~ng vie^.c nhu+ the^' na`y dde^?
>dde^` xua^'t nhu+~ng vie^.c mang ti'nh nha^n dda.o kha'c nhu+ la`m the^'
>na`o dde^? giu'p ddo+~ ca'c tre? em kha'c thie^'u may ma('n ho+n la` mo^.t
>vie^.c he^'t su+'c to^'t va` cha('c cha('n ddu+o+.c su+. u?ng ho^. cu?a
>nhie^`u ngu+o+`i. Nhu+ng du`ng n~ vie^,c nhu+ the^' na`y dde^? lo^`ng
>nhu+~ng lo+`i no'i mi?a mai, bo'ng gio' a'm chi? nhu+~ng ddie^`u negative
>ve^` nga`nh Y Te^' VN cu~ng nhu+ nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i kha'c thi` to^i cho la`
>"chu.p mu~ mo^.t ca'ch ba^?n thi?u", "chu.p mu~" vi` nhu+~ng ddie^`u anh
>Ian a'm chi? ne^`n Y Te^' o+? nha` la` no'i kho^ng co' chu+'ng co+',
>"ba^?n thi?u" vi` anh du`ng n~ vu. humanitarian the^' na`y dde^? no'i.
>DDa^y la` mo^.t style hay ddu+o+.c du`ng tre^n SCV, to^i ra^'t hy vo.ng
>no' se~ kho^ng ddu+o+.c du`ng tre^n VNSA.
>
>Xin nha('c la.i: To^i cu~ng nghi~ nhu+ ca'c ba'c ra(`ng posting cu?a anh
>Ian Nguyen co' the^? mang ti'nh ti'ch cu+.c xa^y du+.ng, ma(.c du` anh to?
>ra la` mo^.t ngu+o+`i hoa`n toa`n ignorant ve^` VN politics, va` du`ng
>lo+`i le~ xu'c pha.m (n~ chu+~ nhu+ nobody vs. somebody). Song posting
>cu?a anh Ian cu~ng de^~ da`ng bi. hie^?u theo nghi~a negative nhu+ to^i
>dda~ vie^'t. Ma` nhu+~ng chuye^.n co' lie^n quan to+'i chi'nh tri. tre^n
>vnsa vo+'i double-meaning nhu+ the^' thi` to^i cho ra(`ng kho' co' the^?
>cha^'p nha^.n ddu+o+.c. Ca'c ba'c nghi~ ra(`ng thie^n ha. luo^n luo^n
>hie^?u ca'c messages theo nghi~a positive cha(ng? DDo^'i vo+'i n~ chuye^.n
>lie^n quan to+'i chi'nh tri. VN thi` considering long-term prospects cu?a
>vnsa to^i nghi~ ne^n la`m tha` safe co`n ho+n sorry.
>
>5) Vie^.c tho^ng qua Internet dde^? giu'p ddo+~ cha'u TL la` mo^.t vie^.c
>ra^'t dda'ng mu+`ng vi` no' ddu+a the^m tho^ng tin ve^` pros and cons cu?a
>Internet to+'i nhu+~ng ng` ddi.nh ddoa.t so^' pha^.n he^. tho^'ng Internet
>ta.i VN. Su+. co' ma(.t cu?a nhu+~ng die^~n dda`n nhu+ VNSA, VKS va`
>nhu+~ng gi` chu'ng ta la`m ddu+o+.c la` nhu+~ng ma(.t trong pros cho
>Internet. Ne^'u chu'ng ta, ba(`ng ca'ch na`y hay ca'ch kha'c, go'p
>ddu+o+.c mo^.t pha^`n nho? va`o vie^.c mo+? ro^.ng va` pha't trie^?n ma.ng
>Internet o+? VN thi` tha^.t dda'ng vui mu+`ng. Nhu+ng dda^y la` mo^.t
>vie^.c delicate ca^`n to^'n nhie^`u co^ng su+'c va` tho+`i gian, ma`
>nhu+~ng posting nhu+ cu?a anh Ian Nguyen tha^.t la` kho^ng giu'p ddu+o+.c
>gi`, ne^'u kho^ng no'i la` provide setbacks.
>
>"Nhie^.t ti`nh co^.ng vo+'i su+. ngu do^'t la` ke? pha' hoa.i",
>To^i tha`nh tha^.t xin lo^~i la` pha?i quote mo^.t ca^u ho+i na(.ng ne^`
>nhu+ tre^n, nhu+ng ca^u ddo' ra^'t ddu'ng cho nhie^`u tru+o+`ng ho+.p.
>Kho^ng pha?i vo^ co+' ma` VNSA co' policy kho^ng cho phe'p no'i ca'c
>chuye^.n lie^n quan to+'i chi'nh tri. o+? VN. Trong so^' chu'ng ta dda^y
>co' ra^'t nhie^`u ngu+o+`i co' ha?o ta^m, co' lo`ng to^'t muo^'n giu'p
>ddo+~ n'c nha`. Nhu+ng vi` kho^ng hie^?u bie^'t ti`nh hi`nh, cu~ng nhu+
>ca'c communication style o+? nha`, ma` ddu+a ra nhu+~ng tho^ng tin
>nhu+~ng messages ga^y ta'c ha.i ngu+o+.c la.i, kho^ng nhu+~ng la`m kho'
>de^~ cho ba?n tha^n admins, ma` co`n la`m kho' de^~ cho quan he^. cu?a
>chu'ng ta vo+'i nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i o+? nha`, cu~ng nhu+ kha? na(ng cu?a
>chu'ng ta dde^? tham gia va`o vie^.c xa^y du+.ng VN. Ca'c ba'c co' co`n
>nho+' vu. Radio Free Asia tre^n VNSA na`y kho^ng?
>
>6) The bottom line: To^i dda~ vie^'t mo^.t message la`m nhie^`u ba'c ca?m
>tha^'y offended, ve^` vie^.c na`y to^i tha`nh tha^.t xin lo^~i ca'c ba'c
>mo^.t la^`n nu+~a. To^i se~ ru't kinh nghie^.m trong vu. na`y cho la^`n
>sau.
>
>Nhu+ng to^i cu~ng xin nha('c la.i la`, o+? admin position, to^i co'
>nhu+~ng tho^ng tin va` nhu+~ng tra'ch nhie^.m ma` ca'c tha`nh vie^n
>thu+o+`ng kho^ng co', tra'ch nhie^.m cu?a to^i la` vo+'i ca? vnsa va`
>long-term prospects cu?a vnsa chu+' kho^ng pha?i vo+'i mo^.t va`i
>ngu+o+`i. Vi` va^.y tu+o+ng lai cu~ng se~ co' the^? co' nhu+~ng vie^.c
>ma` su+. le^n tie^'ng cu?a to^i la.i la`m ca'c ba'c pha^.t lo`ng. Dde^?
>gia?m dde^'n mu+'c to^'i thie^?u nhu+~ng chuye^.n nhu+ the^' na`y to^i xin
>co' ma^'y suggestions sau dde^? ca'c ba'c tham kha?o:
>
>a) Chu'ng ta ne^n he^'t su+'c ca^?n tha^.n khi forward le^n vnsa posting
>cu?a nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ngoa`i vnsa ba`n lua^.n ve^` n~ chuye^.n te^' nhi.
>tre^n vnsa. Ly' do nhu+ dda~ ne^u o+? dda^`u thu+.
>
>b) Chu'ng ta ne^n tra'nh ba`n lua^.n nhu+~ng chuye^.n te^' nhi. co'
>lie^n quan to+'i chi'nh tri. VN tru+` tru+o+`ng ho+.p chu'ng ta bie^'t
>ro~ la` ddang la`m gi`. Ne^'u co' ai ca?m tha^'y unclear, please contact
>the admins.
>
>c) Nhie^`u vie^.c ca'c ba'c co' the^? xem la` harmless thi` trong nhu+~ng
>bo^'i ca?nh tho^ng tin ma` bo.n to^i co' no' co' the^? la` kho^ng. Va` du`
>ca'c ba'c co' the^? kho^ng xem la` harmless ddi cha(ng nu+~a thi` ca'c
>ba'c cu~ng kho^ng co' nghi~a vu. pha?i le^n tie^'ng nhu+ bo.n to^i.
>Bo.n to^i nhie^`u khi pha?i le^n tie^'ng vi` nhie^`u thu+ rie^ng cu?a ca'c
>tha`nh vie^n gu+?i to+'i hoa(.c vi` the intended audience kho^ng pha?i la`
>ca'c tha`nh vie^n vnsa. Qua vu. anh Ian Nguyen ca'c ba'c co' the^? tha^'y
>vnsa messages dda^u co' ddu+o+.c ddo.c bo+?i chi? n~ vnsa members. No'i
>i't hie^?u nhie^`u. No'i va^.y cha('c ca'c bac' hie^?u.
>
>Vi` va^.y tru+o+'c khi ca'c ba'c criticise nhu+~ng postings mang ti'nh
>administrative, mong ca'c ba'c consider n~ ddie^`u to^i no'i tre^n.
>
>Xin ca?m o+n ta^'t ca? ca'c bac' dda~ ddo'ng go'p y' kie^'n phe^ bi`nh
>mo^.t ca'c constructive ddo^'i vo+'i message cu?a to^i.
>
>Tha^n, Ha?i.
>
>
>> On Fri, 23 May 1997, Wayne wrote:
>>
>> > >>From: isn@pacific.net.sg
>
>> > >>To^i cu~ng mong ra(`ng nha^n vie^.c na`y, VP Quo^'c ho^.i se~ la^.p ra
>>mo^.t
>> > >>ho^.i "Leukemia Patients Support Group" trong nu+o+'c dde^? ti`m
>>nguo^`n
>> > >>ta`i
>> > >>chi'nh va` phu+o+ng tie^.n tu+` nu+o+'c ngoa`i ha^`u giu'p ddo+~ ca'c
>>tre?
>> > >>em
>> > >>VN thie^'u may ma('n kha'c ddo^`ng be^.nh ddang la(.ng le~ tu+` gia~
>>co~i
>> > >>tra^`n vi` la` con cha'u cu?a "nobody".
>> > >>
>> > >>Ki'nh,
>> > >>
>> > >>Ian Nguyen
>>
>> Anh Wayne tha^n me^'n,
>>
>> Trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p anh kho^ng dde^? y', message tre^n do anh Ian
>> Nguye^~n na`o ddo' vie^'t vo+'i gio.ng va(n mang ti'nh ca'ch mia? mai
>> va` chu.p mu~
>>
>> (1) DDoa.n va(n a'm chi? ra(`ng n~ ng` ddu+'ng ra giu'p ddo+~ cha'u Thu`y
>> Linh (trong ddo' pha?i ke^? ca? vnsa la` die^~n dda`n trao ddo^?i ve^`
>> vie^.c na`y) la`m vie^.c tre^n vi` cha'u Thu`y Linh la` con cu?a
>> "somebody", chu+' kho^ng pha?i vi` xua^'t pha't tu+` lo`ng nha^n dda.o.
>>
>> (2) DDoa.n va(n cu~ng a'm chi? ra(`ng n~ tre? em kha'c bi. be^.nh tre^n
>> kho^ng ddu+o+.c cha(m so'c dde^'n no+i dde^'n cho^'n o+? VN ne^n "ddang
>> la(.ng le~ tu+` gia~ co~i tra^`n".
>>
>> Gio.ng va(n "chu.p mu~" mo^.t ca'ch ba^?n thi?u nhu+ the^' na`y chu'ng
>> to^i kho^ng cha^'p nha^.n tre^n VNSA. Tha`nh tha^.t mong anh Wayne lu+u y'
>> ho+n khi post n~ message kie^?u na`y. Xin ca?m o+n anh.
>>
>> Tha^n, Ha?i.
>>
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