Re: Te^n ddu+o+`ng, te^n tru+o+`ng

[Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>]

Cha`o ca'c ba'c,

	Ca'm o+n Tan (VN), Cao Tri', anh Pham Khac Lieu va`=20
Hung (Kangaroo), Hoa`ng (At) dda~ go'p y' kie^'n ve^` thread=20
na`y, nhu+ng to^i va^~n co`n confused - sorry.

	OK, dde^? to^i la`m mo^.t va`i observations ve^` te^n=20
tru+o+`ng o+? ca'c nu+o+'c Ta^y phu+o+ng nhe'. Ba('t dda^`u=20
tu+` My~ tru+o+'c. Hi`nh nhu+ ho. co' ba bo^'n he^. tho^'ng=20
dda.i ho.c chi'nh:=20

	(a) mo^.t he^. thuo^.c ve^` lie^n bang: ca'c tru+o+`ng=20
na`y tho^ng thu+o+`ng co' te^n la` THE UNIVERSITY OF X, where=20
X la` te^n tie^?u bang, cha(?ng ha.n nhu+ the University of=20
California, the University of Minnesota, vv;

	(b) he^. tho^'ng tie^?u bang: ca'c tru+o+`ng na`y=20
thu+o+`ng co' te^n la` X STATE UNIVERSITY. cha(?ng ha.n nhu+=20
Colorado State University, California State University, vv;

	(c) he^. tho^'ng tu+ nha^n thi` te^n tru+o+`ng kho^ng=20
ma^'y co' he^. tho^'ng, cha(?ng ha.n nhu+ Stanford=20
university, Princeton university. Havard university;

	(d) co`n he^. tho^'ng institute of technology thi`=20
kho?i ba`n.

	Ca'c ba'c na`o o+? My~ ra`nh ho+n thi` xin go'p y'.

	(e) Ca'ch dda(.t te^n tru+o+`ng o+? U'c cu~ng gio^'ng=20
gio^'ng nhu+ be^n My~ (nhu+ng ca'c dda.i ho.c o+? U'c dde^`u=20
do lie^n bang cho tie^`n, va` chi? co' mo^.t tru+o+`ng dda.i=20
ho.c tu+ duy nha^'t). Ca'c tru+o+`ng na`y cu~ng co' te^n theo=20
format the university of X, where X la` te^n tie^?u bang hay=20
tha`nh pho^', thi' du. nhu+ The University of Sydney, The=20
University of New South Wales, The University of Western=20
Australia, vv=20

	Tuy nhie^n ga^`n dda^y co' ca'c tru+o+`ng mo+'i thi`=20
la^'y ho. te^n tha`nh pho^' hay danh nha^n va` kho^ng co'=20
chu+~ THE phia' tru+o+'c, cha(?ng ha.n nhu+ Monash=20
University, Macquarie University, La Trobe University,=20
Adelaide University vv

	(f) Co`n o+? Vie^.t nam ta thi` to^i co' nha^.n xe't=20
the^' na`y:

	(i) Hanoi University of Technology (HUT, nhu+ Bi`nh=20
no'i) thi` cu~ng OK (tha^.t ra cu~ng theo kie^?u Victoria=20
University of Technology cu?a U'c);

	(ii) Nhu+ng Ho Chi Minh City University of Technology=20
thi` nghe kho^ng e^m tai ; ly' do la` chu+~ "City" no' na(`m=20
chi'nh giu+~a. To^i chu+a tha^'y tre^n the^' gio+'i dda(.t=20
te^n nhu+ va^.y (co' chu+~ CITY chi'nh giu+~a) bao gio+`.=20
Thu+? tu+o+?ng tu+o+.ng "Salt Lake City University of=20
Technology" (kho^ng co' tru+o+`ng na`y trong thu+.c te^'),=20
nghe no' sao a^'y :)
	Theo to^i thi` ne^n dda(.t la`: The University of=20
Technology, Ho Chi Minh City (kie^?u nhu+ The University of=20
Technology, Sydney be^n U'c va^.y), hay la` Saigon University=20
of Technology (SUT) nghe co' sao dda^u.
 =20
>Co`n te^n truong la` Ho Chi Minh City University thi` co' gi` la` dda^u
>gio6'ng nhU* melbourne University .

	A' a`, ddo' la` "The University of Melbourne", chu+'=20
kho^ng pha?i "Melbourne University" nhe', ma(.c du` ng` ta=20
quen go.i nhu+ va^.y. O+? My~ ma` la^`m kie^?u na`y la` nguy=20
ddo': the University of Washington kha'c vo+'i Washington=20
University, pha?i kho^ng Ha?i ?


>Ho Chi minh city la` te^n cu?a sai gon vay thi` ta co' the6? co' saigon
>University cung nhu* Ho Chi minh city university.
>Khong le~ no'i la` Ho^ Chi' Minh University??????

	Saigon University nghe kho^ng o^?n (formal) ma` ne^n=20
la` The University of Saigon; Ho Chi Minh University nghe=20
ddu+o+.c (gio^'ng nhu+ Washington University, Standord=20
University, vv), chu+' "The University of Ho Chi Minh" thi`=20
la.i co' nghi~a kha'c a` .


>DH Quo^=B4c Gia Hanoi (?)
>DH Quo^=B4c Gia TPHCM : HCMC National University trong ddo co=B4 1 loa.t

	DDa~ no'i la` "quo^'c gia" ma` ta.i sao la.i di'nh=20
da'ng te^n tha`nh pho^' ? Nghe kho^ng o^?n chu't na`o ca? .=20
Ta.i sao kho^ng la` The Vietnamese National University, Ha=20
Noi; The Vietnamese National University, Ho Chi Minh City.=20
Theo to^i thi` mi`nh ne^n dda(.t te^n nhu+ be^n U'c (The=20
Australian National University), Phi lua^.t ta^n (The=20
University of the Philippines), hay Singapore (The National=20
University of Singapore).


	Co`n ve^` he^. tho^'ng thi` cu~ng linh tinh la('m.=20

>Vietnam national University la` truong dda.i o.c quoc gia vietnam. Trong
>ddo' Ho Chi Minh City University of Technology la` mo^.t tha`nh pha^~n
>cu?A NAtional university in HCM city.

	Ta.i sao la.i co' university trong university? Trong=20
mo^.t university thi` co' nhie^`u faculty hay centres, mo^.t=20
faculty co' nhie^`u schools, departments ... Sao kho^ng to^?=20
chu+'c nhu+ va^.y? Theo to^i thi` tru+o+`ng Phu' Tho. cu~=20
ne^n go.i la` faculty of technology, tru+o+`ng Khoa Ho.c cu~=20
(to^?ng ho+.p ba^y gio+`) la` faculty of science cu?a=20
tru+o+`ng National University gi` ddo' co' sao dda^u va`=20
tra'nh la^~n lo^.n university trong university!=20

	A'i da`, cha(?ng bie^'t ddu+o+`ng dda^u ma` ro+`,=20
phu+'c ta.p tha^.t! :((

	Co`n te^n ddu+o+`ng:

>Tra^`n Hu+ng Dda.o A va` Tra^`n Hu+ng Dda.o B. Moi. ngu+o+i` co=B4 tha(=B4c
>ma(=B4c li.ch su+? VN co=B4 o^ng na=F2  te^n A va` B !!!!

	Tro+`i o+i, nga`i Hu+ng DDa.o Vu+o+ng ma` co`n so^'ng=20
cha('c nga`i se~ nga.c nhie^n la('m va` la.c ddu+o+`ng ddi; =20
sao kho^ng "cho+i" luo^n Tra^`n Hu+ng DDa.o Nam va` Tra^`n=20
Hu+ng DDa.o Ba('c (theo kie^?u North/South/East/West be^n=20
My~) ma` la.i la` A va` B nhi? :)



	Tua^'n (the confused).