Re: DDo^ng A

[Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>]

Hi,
   To^i nho+' cha('c cha('n trong Dda.i Vie^.t Su+? ky' Toa`n Thu+
la` ho. Ly' pha?i ddo^?i la` do kie^ng hu'y Tra^`n Ly'. ( any Ly' cho+' 
kho^ng pha/i chi? rie^ng ho. Ly' la`m vua.) . BTW, tho+`i co^? VN nhie^`n 
ho. Ly' la('m. Ma^'y danh nha^n co^? nhu+ Ly' O^ng Tro.ng, Ly' Ca^`m, Ly' 
Tie^'n, Ly' Nam DDe^',...pha^`n lo+'n ho. Ly', co' ai bie^'t ta.i sao?

   To^i nho+' ddo.c dda^u ddo' mo^.t ca^u gi` ve^` ho. Tra^`n tu+` dda^'t 
DDo^ng A, nhu+ng kho^ng the^? nho+' o+? dda^u. Ho^m tru+o+'c nhie^`u 
ngu+o+`i no'i ve^` chie^'t tu+. cu+' nga^. ngu`i ma~i: hay mi`nh gia` ro^`i.
Cheers
Aiviet
   

 On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Tran Minh Tien wrote:

> > 
> > > Ho`a ddao mo^.t la.c 
> > > Tha^.p ba't tu+? tha`nh
> > > DDo^ng A nha^.p xua^'t
> > >       ~~~
> > > ....
> > > 
> > > Phu. Nguye^n chi tho^'ng
> > > ~~~
> 
> > Co' pha?i bo^. Phu. chu+~ Nguye^n la` chu+~ Nguye^~n kho^ng? Ca'i
> > na`y co' lie^n quan gi` dde^'n vie^.c nha` tra^`n ba('t ho. Ly' pha?i
> > ddo^?i sang ho. Nguye^~n kho^ng. Ngoa`i ra co' ba'c na`o bie^'t vi` sao
> > nha` Tra^`n la.i cho.n chu+~ Nguye^~n dde^? ba('t ho. Ly' pha?i ddo^?i
> > sang kho^ng?
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Pha^`n lo+'n mo.i ngu+o+`i dde^`u cho DDo^ng A la` chie^'t tu+.
> cu?a chu+~ Tra^`n, nhu+ng chie^'t ra sao thi` to^i chu+a ddu+o+.c
> nghe ai gia?ng tu+o+`ng ta^.n\. Chu+~ "tra^`n" be^n pha?i la` chu+~
> "ddo^ng", be^n tra'i la` bo^. "phu.". Chu+~ "nguye^~n" be^n pha?i
> la` chu+~ "nguye^n", be^n tra'i cu~ng la` bo^. "phu.". Vo+'i chu+~
> "nguye^~n" thi` de^~ hie^?u, no' ddu+o+.c ta.o theo ha`i thanh.
> Co`n chu+~ "tra^`n" la.i ddu+o+.c ta.o theo ho+.p nghi~a cu?a
> "phu. + mo^.c" dde^? chi? tha`nh ddo^ co^? va` ha`i thanh vo+'i 
> "shen" (chen), (kha'c vo+'i "ddo^ng" la` chi? su+. cu?a 
> "mo^.c + nha^.t"). "DDo^ng a" tru+.c nghi~a la` ca'i go` lo+'n
> o+? phi'a ddo^ng. Sao kho^ng chie^'t "tra^`n" tha`nh "phu.
> ddo^ng" ma` la.i "ddo^ng a" thi` to^i chu+a ddu+o+.c nghe ai gia?ng
> cho ca?.
> 
> Song chi? co' ddie^`u DDo^ng A la` te^n ho. cu?a ho. Tra^`n
> o+? Thie^n Tru+o+`ng. Ca'i te^n ho. na`y tu+` dda^u ra thi`
> to^i kho^ng bie^'t. Co' la^`n to^i ddu+o+.c ddo.c 1 ca^u
> ddo^'i tho+` Tra^`n Lie^~u thi` tha^'y dda~ co' tu+` "DDo^ng
> A" vo+'i nghi~a ddo' la` ho. DDo^ng A\.
> 
> Ca^u sa^'m ve^` ma^'y ddo+`i vua o+? Vie^.t Nam, theo truye^`n
> thuye^'t, dda~ co' tu+` tho+`i Ly' Tha'i To^?. "tha^.p + ba't
> + tu+?" la` chu+~ "ly'". Co' le~ do va^.y nhie^`u ngu+o+`i nghi~
> "ddo^ng a" cu~ng do chie^'t tu+. ma` ra\.  Ngoa`i ra ti?nh So+n 
> DDo^ng cu?a Trung Quo^'c co' 1 vu`ng dda^'t cu~ng ddu+o+.c go.i 
> la` DDo^ng A\. Co' the^? DDo^ng A la` do go^'c ti'ch cu?a ho.
> Tra^`n tu+` Trung quo^'c, cu~ng co' the^? ddo' la` do ca^u sa^'m
> dde^? ho+.p me^.nh tro+`i\. I don't know.
> 
> Ho. Nguye^~n o+? Ta`u cu~ng dda~ co' (Nguye^~n Ti.ch, Tru'c la^m
> tha^'t tu+?). Ta.i sao Tra^`n Thu? DDo^. ba('t ho. Ly' ddo^?i
> sang Nguye^~n (ma` kho^ng la` XYZ kha'c) vi` kie^ng te^n Tra^`n 
> Ly' thi` to^i kho^ng ro~\.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Tran Minh Tien
> 
> 
>