Re: Objection! (was: ...con HIV)

[Vu Huu Vinh <vu@kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp>]

Dear anh Tuan V Nguyen and all
I never do any research on HIV/AIDS, so I don't have any data. What I am
talking is from my clinical experience. All AIDS patients I have seen in
ICU (Khoa Ho^`i su+'c ca^'p cu+'u) have had severe double pneumonia.
They all ended by ARDS (acute respiratory distress syndrome). What we
are talking is not a research work, it is about what diseases the AIDS
patient can get more as a firm consequence. More specifically, weather
the AIDS patient can get cancer as a result of AIDS? 

VH Vinh


Tuan V Nguyen wrote:
> 
> Dear anh Vinh, CB and folks,
> 
>         Sorry I have not followed this thread closely, so I do not quite get
> what has been said so far. I also work in medical research area. But I would
> like to make some remarks here:
> 
> At 11:08 PM 5/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >Dear anh Vinh and folks,
> >
> >You are warmly welcome, anh Vinh!. Thank you very much for your clear
> >explanation about clinical data of HIV patients.
> >My short and unclear posting made you misunderstand what I wanted to
> >say.
> >"The resulting consequence is that the patient can have any diseases
> >and die since there is no more self-defense". This is only hypothesis
> >based on the fact that HIV attacks the immunocompetent cells of the host.
> >I have appreciated the clinical data written in your message. The
> >clinical findings showed that we often see patients died of HIV are due
> 
>         Can you presented the data in this forum and describe briefly how
> did you obtain them, so that we all can have a "play" with the data against
> your hypothesis.
> 
>         Tuan V Nguyen

Dear anh Cong Bang and all
Thanks anh Cong Bang and appreciate your good will. Just came to the Lab
and read your and chi Diem Quynh’s posts,  initially, I had no mean to
give any comment. That’s enough for me to understand.... something. But
in your post, you mentioned some pathology mechanisms that I felt I
should have some opinions. Agree with you that in AIDS disease patients,
the immune system is attacked and the patient have "no more
self-defense" but to say  because of this immune deficiency, he or she
can get any disease (event.... cancer, leukaemia, psychiatry ....) is
surely not correct. So many  diseases, including some fatal diseases,
have nothing related to human immune deficiency. Some, contrary, are the
result of the overactivity of the immune system like allergy, lupus...
Diseases that the AIDS patients, soon or late, must suffer from leading
to their death is bacteria infections, especially lung infection. All
AIDS patients ( but not many) I have seen after nearly 3 years working
and studying in the ICU (intensive care unit) here (in Japan) died
because of ARDS ( acute respiratory distress syndrome) a severest
complication of lung infection. Of course, infection in any organs, any
infectious diseases can be the result of AIDS and bring death to
infected patient.
To say further, cancer or any diseases can haply occur in AIDS patients
and have the same risk as traffic accident, trauma and..pregnancy.

........................
> Hi anh DiemQuynh and folks,
> 
> Please, take it easy anh Die^?mQuy`nh!.
> I read the thread of "DUPH" and have known that anh Vinh, anh Cong are
> Doctors of Medicine.
> You and anh Vinh are not wrong while saying about HIV. The causal
> agent of AIDS attacks the immune system of the host (human beings in this
> case). The resulting consequence is that the patient can have any diseases
> and die since there is no more self-defense.
> Just make the conclusion up to this point! The reason is that the
> hypothesis is always a hypothesis which needs confirmations.
> I appreciated your and anh Vinh's postings.
> 
> Co^ng Ba(`ng.