Re: Mo^ hi`nh li.ch su+? Re: Ba('c Ngu.y ... Help!?!

[Thach Nguyen <esse@angband.org>]

  Dear ba'c Vie^.t

  Actually out opinions don't differ all that much. I think I misphrased
"ta`u" -- "ha'n" that caused mis-understanding. After all, I didn't mean
to defend sinicism -- "con cha'u Hoa`ng dde^' la` superior" :-)

On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Aiviet Nguyen wrote:

>    Theo y' to^i chu'ng ta va^~n co`n bi. a?nh hu+o+?ng lo^'i nghi~ cu~
> ve^` chuye^. "Ngu~ Ho^` Loa.n Hoa". To^i co' ca?m tu+o+?ng Trung quo^'c
> nga`y nay la` ho+.p nha^'t cu?a Ha'n, Ho^` va` Nam Trung Hoa.

     Cho^? na`y thi` ddo^`ng y'  vo+'i ba'c. Va` ngay ca?
da^n Ha'n cu~ng la` gio^'ng lai giu+~a da^n ca'c nu+o+'c tho+`i Chie^'n
quo^'c, Ma^n, Chie^'t and who knows what else (So+?, Ngo^, Vie^.t cha(?ng
cu`ng gio^'ng vo+'i con cha'u cu?a Chu, ngay Ta^`n cu~ng la` Nhung Ho^`
mo^.t pha^`n). 
     Co' le? vi` trong previous post du`ng chu+~ "Ta`u" ne^n bi. ba'c
hie^?u la^`m, actually by Ta`u I was meaning Ha'n trong giai ddoa.n ddo'.
Intermarriage giu+~a Ha'n, Ho^` pho^? bie^'n tu+` tho+`i ba('c Ngu.y va`
dde^'n DDu+o+`ng thi` su+. kha'c bie^.t kho^ng co`n, dda(.c bie^.t trong
nhu+~ng gia ddi`nh cu+. to^.c Ba('c Hoa (DDu+o+`ng Ly' The^' Da^n mo^.t
pha^`n Ha'n va` ma^'y pha^`n Ho^`) va` ngay ca? da^n "Ho^` inside the
wall" cu~ng tha`nh Ha'n ho'a, ca'c ho. DDo^.c co^, Vu~ va(n, A^u du+o+ng
dde^`u la` con cha'u cu?a "ngu~ Ho^`". 

> 
>    La`m gi` co' chuye^. Ho^` Loa.n Hoa.

  Ne^'u nhi`n tre^n phu+o+ng die^.n toa`n cu.c cu?a li.ch su+? thi`
so sa'nh Hoa Ho^` kho^ng to^`n ta.i, nhu+ng ne^'u nhi`n tre^n phu+o+ng
die^.n cu?a tu+`ng ta^.p ddoa`n trong giai ddoa.n li.ch su+? na`y thi` co'
to^`n ta.i . 

> Na(m to^.c Ho^` dde^` la` bo^.
> pha^.n ca^'u tha`nh cu?a TQ nga`y nay. Tha^.m chi' mo^ ta? li.ch su+?
> TQ ma` cho Nam To^'ng la` Ta`u, Kim la` ngoa.i bang la` thie^n le^.ch.

  Chi? thie^n le^.ch trong today viewpoint (hay i't nha^'t tu+`
early 20th century). Trong ca'i nhi`n ddu+o+ng tho+`i, cha('c cha('n pha?i
co' su+. kha'c bie^.t. DDo+n gia?n la` vi` ngu+o+`i Kim va` ngu+o+`i
To^'ng kho^ng cu`ng gio^'ng. Nhu+ng ne^'u ta du`ng ca'i nhi`n cu?a
ngu+o+`i Ta`u nga`y nay (con cha'u cu?a ca? hai) thi` su+. thie^n le^.ch
kho^ng ne^n co'.  

> Theo to^i sau na`y vie^'t la.i su+? TQ ca^`n kha'ch quan
> cho ra(`ng Kim cu~ng la` mo^.t bo^. pha^.n ca^'u tha`nh cu?a TQ va`
> cuo^.c chie^'n tranh Kim To^'ng chi? la` hi`nh tha`nh nu+o+'c Ta`u
> hie^.n dda.i y nhu+ Chu dda'nh Thu+o+ng, Thu+o+ng dda'nh Ha. va^.y.

   Regards