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Re: VNSA-L digest 258
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu wrote:
> VNSA-L Digest 258
>
> Topics covered in this issue include:
>
> 1) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
> by hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
> 2) No'i chuye^.n
> by Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
> 3) Re: France & Russia
> by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
> 4) truyen nga
> by vu-ha-van@MATH.YALE.EDU (Ha Van Vu)
> 5) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
> by Ho Tu Bao <bao@jaist.ac.jp>
> 6) Re: Books: Herman Hess
> by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> 7) Re: No'i chuye^.n
> by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> 8) RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> 9) Re: On again, off again...
> by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> 10) re:[News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> 11) Re: The Japanese
> by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> 12) Re: truyen nga
> by hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
> 13) Ca^`n giu'p o+? Baltimore, Maryland USA
> by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> 14) VKS tro`n 1 tuo^?i.
> by To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
> 15) Go'p chuye^.n ngo^n ngu+~/FWd tu VKS.
> by To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
> 16) [film]"Thu+o+ng Nho+' DDo^`ng Que^" ddu+o+.c gia?i ta.i Fribourg
> by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
> 17) The State of Things
> by Thanh Dang Nguyen <Nguyen.Dang.Thanh@Eng.Auburn.EDU>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 1
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:50:32 +0100
> From: hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
> Message-ID: <199703111450.PAA18014@riems.haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de>
>
> >
> > Hu+o+ng co`n nho+' truye^.n nga('n "Mu`a thu la.i ve^`" kho^ng. Ba` DTH vie^'t
> > truye^.n na`y khoa?ng 1982. DDa^y la` Truye^.n mi`nh thi'ch nha^'t.
> >
>
> Chuye^.n na`y nhu+ the^' na`o ha? ba'c Ca? Ddo.c nhie^`u truye^.n cua? ba`
> DTH nhu+ng kho^ng nho+' dda^`u dde^`.
>
> Best, Huong
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 2
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:55:21 +0700
> From: Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu, vnforum@saigon.com
> Subject: No'i chuye^.n
> Message-ID: <33257259.7EB4@ait.ac.th>
>
> Hi folks,
> Ca^`n ti`m ngu+o+`i co' microphone, speaker, du`ng Netscape Comunicator
> 4.0 tre^n ma'y ti'nh dde^? no'i chuye^.n thu+? nghie^.m.
> --
> Le Minh Trung
> Asian Institute of Technology, STAR Program
> P.O. Box 4 KlongLuang, Pathumthani 12120, Thailand
> Internet: http://www.rsl.ait.ac.th/Trung/
> Tel. (662) 524 5585 Fax. (662) 524 6147
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 3
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:01:30 +0100 (MET)
> From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: Re: France & Russia
> Message-ID: <9703111501.AA15263@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
>
> >
> > Cha`o ba'c Viet Hai,
> >
> > <<<Cho to+'i gio+`,
> > toi van cho rang da^n to.c Nga va` Phap la` hai dan to^.c vi~ dda.i
> > nha^'t ve^` va(n ho.c >>>
> >
> > Da^n Anh cu~ng co' nhie^`u nha` va<n no^?i tie^'ng.
> >
>
> Sorry ba'c Huy nha\. Qua? la` Anh co' nhie^`u nha` va(n no^?i
> tie^'ng, nhu+ng la` no^?i tie^'ng tre^n the^' gio+'i, chu+'
> da^n ta coi bo^. kho^ng ham la('m.
>
> Ai Van ho^ ddo.c 1 ho^`i tha^'y cha'n\. Shakespeare kho^ng ddu+o+.c
> u+a chuo^.ng vi` la` ki.ch va` vi` la` tho+\. Ma` ki.ch thi` pha?i
> nho+` ngu+o+`i die^~n, ma` tho+ thi` pha?i phu. va`o ngu+o+`i di.ch\.
> To^i ddo.c Shakespeare ba(`ng tie^'ng Anh tha^'y mu+?a ma^.t ra,
> va^.y la`m sao ma` ca?m thu. ddu+o+.c ? (cu~ng may Shakespeare toa`n ta^.p
> gia' re?, co' 19 DM, dde^? la^u kho^ng so+. thiu, thi?nh thoa?ng va'c
> ra ddo.c cho+i). Bairon thi` la.i tho+\. Co`n la.i Dicken
> thi` ho^`i nho? ddo.c cu~ng khoa'i\. A` co`n "Ho^.i cho+. phu` hoa"
> cu?a ca'i o^ng chi chi nu+~a, que^n ma^'t te^n\. Truye^.n nga('n
> cu?a Moom ddo.c cu~ng ddu+o+.c\. Hi`nh nhu+ nga`y xu+a quy' to^.c Pha'p
> va^~n che^ xu+' Anh la` xu+' khi? ho co` ga'y ma`\.
>
> Cheers, Tien.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 4
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:01:02 -0500
> From: vu-ha-van@MATH.YALE.EDU (Ha Van Vu)
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: truyen nga
> Message-ID: <199703111501.AA02024@FERMAT.MATH.YALE.EDU>
>
>
> Chao cac bac doc truyen nga,
>
> Hoi xua toi thich Dubroski voi Con gai vien dai uy cua Puskin lam,
> chua thay co ai nhac chuyen Puskin ca (con Dam pich thi chac ai cung biet).
>
> Hoi do van hoa Nga tran ngap, chang phai rieng truyen ma thoi, ca nhac quoc te
> chieu chu nhat cung bai hat nga la chinh. con da bong thi cung phan
> lon la truyen nhung tran co doi Nga.
> thanh ra cuoi cung ai nay deu co vu cho doi nay.
> Hoi cap 3. lop toi co bao nhieu co me anh thu mon dep trai Dasaev. (:=))
>
> Best, Van
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 5
>
> Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:10:50 +0900
> From: Ho Tu Bao <bao@jaist.ac.jp>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
> Message-ID: <332575FA.6CD03F06@jaist.ac.jp>
>
> Hi,
>
> Va(n ho.c Nga (Xo^ vie^'t) tha^.t tuye^.t vo+`i.
>
> Ngoa`i nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i dda~ du+o+.c ke^? ra, to^i tha^'y co`n mo^.t
> so^' ta'c pha^?m va` ta'c gi?a ra^'t hay, pho^? bie^'n o+? VN:
>
> * A. Tolstoi: "Hai chi. em"
> * I. Erenbua: "Co+n ba~o ta'p"
> * Truye^.n ti`nh ba'o, cu+.c hay: "Chie^'c khuy ddo^`ng", "Nam tu+o+'c
> Pho^n Go^n rinh", "Mu+o+`i ba?y khoa?nh kha('c mu`a Xua^n", "Tha'ng ta'm
> na(m 1944"
> * Raxun Gamzatop: "Daghextan cu?a to^i". Nha^n tie^.nco`n lu+u mo^.t
> ba`i tho+ cu?a Gamzatop va` lo+`i bi`nh, xin gu+?i mo.i ngu+o+`i ddo.c
> cho vui.
>
> Best,
> HTBao
> -----
>
> GU+?I NGU+O+`I PHU. NU+~
>
> Raxun Gamzatop
>
> Ho+~i ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~
> ne^'u co' nghi`n dda`n o^ng ye^u em
> em co' bie^'t trong nghi`n ngu+o+`i a^'y
> co' Raxun Gamzatop nu+~a ma`
>
> Co`n ne^'u nhu+ chi? co'
> tra(m dda`n o^ng ye^u em
> em ha~y nho+' trong so^' tra(m ngu+o+`i ddo'
> nha^'t ddi.nh Raxun Gamzatop co' te^n
>
> Co`n ne^'u nhu+ ye^u em
> dda`n o^ng chi? co`n mo^.t chu.c
> thi` Raxun Gamzatop
> ddu+'ng thu+' ba?y hay ta'm trong ha`ng
>
> Ne^'u dda`n o^ng chi? co`n la.i mo^.t ngu+o+`i ye^u em
> to^i xin the^` - ngu+o+`i ddo' kho^ng ai kha'c
> ngoa`i Raxun Gamzatop, em o+i
>
> Co`n ne^'u em ddi co^ ddo+n buo^`n tu?i tre^n ddo+`i
> kho^ng ai ye^u em nu+~a
> thi` co' nghi~a o+? mo^.t no+i na`o ddo'
> tre^n nu'i cao, Gamzatop che^'t ro^`i.
>
> DDoa`n Minh Tua^'n di.ch
>
>
>
> Raxun Gamzatop, nha` tho+ cu?a xu+' so+? nu'i dda' DDaghextan (Lie^n
> xo^ cu~), vo^'n la` ngu+o+`i luo^n no^?i tro^.i vo+'i nhu+~ng ca'ch
> no'i ddo^.c dda'o trong tho+. To^i thu' nha^'t la` ca'ch no'i tu+ng
> tu+?ng "che^'t ngu+o+`i" cu?a o^ng. Cu+' gie^~u gie^~u, ddu`a ddu`a,
> bo+~n co+.t, a^'y va^.y ma` khi ga^'p trang tho+ la.i, lo`ng mi`nh
> bo^~ng nho'i le^n qua(.n tha('t!
>
>
> Ba`i tho+ na`y, xe't dde^'n cu`ng, ho^`n co^'t cu?a no' thu+.c ra chi?
> la` ba tie^'ng muo^n thuo+?: anh ye^u em. Gamzatop dda~ pha't ta'n ba
> tie^'ng muo^n thuo+? a^'y trong na(m kho^? tho+, nhu+ng tho^'ng nha^'t
> trong mo^.t ca'ch gia~i ba`y. O^ng dda~ su+? du.ng nhu+~ng dda.i
> lu+o+.ng ddo dde^'m theo mo^.t tri`nh tu+. tu+` cao dde^'n tha^'p,
> tu+` me^mh mo^ng u+o+'c le^. dde^'n mo^.t tie^u ddie^?m nho.n sa('c
> nhu+ mu~i kim. Sau gia? thie^'t "ne^'u nhu+" (tha^.t te^' nhi.!), o^ng
> ddu+a ra ca'c ti`nh huo^'ng: co' mo^.t nghi`n ga~ da`n o^ng ye^u em,
> mo^.t tra(m ga~ dda`n o^ng ye^u em, mo^.t chu.c ga~ ro^`i cuo^'i cu`ng
> la` ... mo^.t ga~ - thi` trong ta^'t ca? ca'c ti`nh huo^'ng a^'y,
> luo^n co' mo^.t ga~ vo+'i te^n tuo^?i tha^.t cu. the^? la` Raxun
> Gamzatop! Ti`nh ye^u la` chuye^.n cu?a mo^.t ngu+o+`i vo+'i mo^.t
> ngu+o+`i, bo+?i va^.y ca'i tri`nh tu+. ma` nha` tho+ theo dduo^?i la`
> ho+.p quy lua^.t. Nhu+ the^', cu~ng co' nghi~a la` nha` tho+ ddang
> ti`m ca'ch kha(?ng ddi.h ti`nh ye^u cu?a mi`nh. Ngo^n ngu+~ ddo^'i
> thoa.i cu?a o^ng vo+'i ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~ cu~ng theo tri`nh tu+. ddo'
> ma` thay ddo^?i. Lu'c dda^`u la` ba^ng quo+ nghi nga.i "Em co' bie^'t
> trong nghi`n ngu+o+`i a^'y. Co' Raxun Gamzatop nu+~a ma`". Sau ddo'
> la` nha('c nho+?:" Em ha~y nho+' trong so^' tra(m ngu+o+`i
> ddo'...". Ro^`i rie^'t ro'ng ho+n khi con so^' dda`n o^ng chi? co`n
> mo^.t chu.c: "Thi` Raxun Gamzatop. DDu+'ng thu+' ba?y hay ta'm trong
> ha`ng". Nhu+ the^' dda~ la` cu. the^?, nhu+ng nha` tho+ tha^'y chu+a
> ddu?, va^~n ca^`n pha?i quye^'t lie^.t ho+n: "Ne^'u dda`n o^ng chi?
> co`n la.i mo^.t ngu+o+`i ye^u em. To^i xin the^` - ngu+o+`i ddo'
> kho^ng ai kha'c. Ngoa`i Raxun Gamzatop, em o+i". DDe^'n lu'c na`y thi`
> ca'i tie^u ddie^?m nho.n sa('c nhu+ mu~i kim kia dda~ hie^?n
> hie^.n. Mo^.t nha` tho+ non tay dda~ co' the^? ba(`ng lo`ng du+`ng
> la.i, mo^.t ngu+o+`i ti`nh nu+?a vo+`i dda~ co' the^? dda('c y',
> nhu+ng Gamzatop thi` kho^ng. Ca'i mu~i kim a^'y ca^`n pha?i chi'ch
> va`o ta^m ho^`n ddo^i lu+'a, cho du` no' co' the^? ri? ma'u:
>
> Co`n ne^'u em ddi co^ ddo+n buo^`n tu?i tre^n ddo+`i
> kho^ng ai ye^u em nu+~a
> thi` co' nghi~a o+? mo^.t no+i na`o ddo'
> tre^n nu'i cao, Gamzatop che^'t ro^`i.
>
> Y' tu+o+?ng ddo^.t ngo^.t dde^'n o+'n la.nh. Ca'i tu+ng tu+?ng "che^'t
> ngu+o+`i" chi'nh la` o+? dda^y. Ca'i che^'t (gia? thie^'t) hie^.n ra
> tre^n nu'i cao, cho+.t la`m lung linh ca? mo^.t ba`i tho+ toa`n
> nhu+~ng dda.i lu+o+.n g ddo dde^'m vo+'i gio.ng ddu`a ddu`a. Kho^ng
> chi? co`n la` tho+ Raxun Gamzatop nu+~a, ba`i tho+ dda~ ra^'t xu+'ng
> dda'ng tro+? tha`nh tho^ng ddie^.p cu?a mo.i ngu+o+`i dda`n o^ng
> bie^'t ye^u trao gu+?i cho ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~ cu?a ho.\.
>
> Kho^ng ro~ nguye^n ta'c ba`i tho+ ra sao, nhu+ng cu+' ba(`ng va`o
> nhu+~ng gi` dda~ bie^'t ve^` tho+ Gamzatop, to^i cho dda^y la` mo^.t
> ba?n di.ch tha`nh co^ng cu?a DDoa`n Minh Tua^'n.
>
> 5/9/1996
> Tra^`n Ho`a Bi`nh
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 6
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:27:54 -0500
> From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: Re: Books: Herman Hess
> Message-ID: <199703111512.KAA01894@ns.kreative.net>
>
> Sa'ch Herman Hess ddo.c be^n VN la^u ro^`i ba'c Huy a.
>
> Kho^ng nho+' ngu+o+`i di.ch, nhu+ng ba'c co' muo^'n thi` cu~ng ti`m ra
> tho^i.
>
> Toa`n
>
> ----------
> > From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> > Subject: Books: Herman Hess
> > Date: Tuesday, 11 March 1997 6:49 AM
> >
> > Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
> >
> > O+? Vie^.t Nam ngu+o+`i ta co' -do.c sa'ch cua? Herman Hesse kho^ng?
> > -Do.c tie^'ng Anh kho^ng cho to^i -du+o+.c ca'i thu' -do.c sa'ch
> > nhu+ -do.c tie^'ng Vie^.t, chi? tru+` sa'ch cua? o^ng na`y, eg, Demian,
> > Stephenwolf, Narzisse (sp?) and Goldmund, Siddharta. Nghe no'i o^ng na`y
> la`
> > tha^`n tu+o+.ng cua? the^' he^. hippy (che^'t chu+a, tui ho^?ng co'
> > hippy -da^u nhe), kho^ng bie^'t the^' he^. tre? Vie^.t Nam nghi~ gi` ve^`
> > o^~ng.
> >
> > Huy
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 7
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:46:33 -0500
> From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Cc: <trung@ait.ac.th>
> Subject: Re: No'i chuye^.n
> Message-ID: <199703111531.KAA02212@ns.kreative.net>
>
> Tho^i che^'t,
>
> Anh ddang cha.y Beta pha?i kho^ng? Cha('c anh pha?i ddo+.i to+'i no' ra
> ddo+.t chua^?n kia` chu+' to^i ghe't Beta la('m ro^`i, nha^'t la` Beta cu?a
> Netscape.
>
> To^i co' Cooltalk cu?a Navigator 3 xa`i co' ddu+o+.c kho^ng? Co`n ca'i
> communicator 4 cu?a anh co' chi.u no'i chuye^.n vo+'i Neetmeeting cu?a
> Microsoft kho^ng.
>
> Ne^'u ma^'y thu+' na`y xa`i ddu+o+.c vo+'i communicator 4 thi` sa(~n sa`ng
> cha`o anh ba(`ng tie^'ng Vie^.t xu+' du+`a.
>
> U'i cha`, sao the^' gio+'i na`y la('m ngo^n ngu+~ the^'...
>
> Toa`n
> Ps: anh xem la.i URL cu?a anh be^n du+o+'i hi`nh nhu+ co' gi` sai.
> ----------
> > From: Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> > Subject: No'i chuye^.n
> > Date: Tuesday, 11 March 1997 9:57 AM
> >
> > Hi folks,
> > Ca^`n ti`m ngu+o+`i co' microphone, speaker, du`ng Netscape Comunicator
> > 4.0 tre^n ma'y ti'nh dde^? no'i chuye^.n thu+? nghie^.m.
> > --
> > Le Minh Trung
> > Asian Institute of Technology, STAR Program
> > P.O. Box 4 KlongLuang, Pathumthani 12120, Thailand
> > Internet: http://www.rsl.ait.ac.th/Trung/
> > Tel. (662) 524 5585 Fax. (662) 524 6147
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 8
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:42:48 -0500 (EST)
> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Cc: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311103640.10072B-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
>
> Did I talk of politics?
> According to my perception I did not.
> The 1945 hunger was a historical fact of haft century old. And the
> cause was not political at all, it was just an absurdity of human acts.
> Sorry if I am wrong.
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Wayne wrote:
>
> > Hi Ai Viet,
> > I thought politics is not encouraged on this forum....
> > Wayne
> >
> > >----------
> > >From: Aiviet Nguyen[SMTP:aiviet@cat.syr.edu]
> > >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 4:10AM
> > >To: Multiple recipients of list
> > >Subject: Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> > >
> > >I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> > >hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 9
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:47:27 -0500 (EST)
> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: Re: On again, off again...
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311104436.10072D-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
>
> Hi Anh Ian,
> Nghe noi da^~n ba.n ga'i ddi a(n Oyster la` mo^.t offer ra^'t agressive
> kho^ng bie^'t ddu'ng sai the^' na`o. Dda'ng ra anh pha?i no'i dde^'n
> Oyster tru+o+'c 8/3 cho anh em co' di.p thi tho^' cho+'. :))
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Ian Bui wrote:
>
> >
> > Que^n nu*~a, ngoa`i ca^u "off the shelf" ngu*o*`i My~
> > co`n co' the^m cu.m tu*` "on the shell" dde^? ta? cai'
> > man` a<n so` huye^'t (oyster) dda^'y ca'c ba'c a. :))
> >
> > (Nha<'c to*'i oyster lam` to*' la.i pha't them` bia mo*i'
> > kho^?. Ddu'ng la` Pavlovian behavior ro^`i chu*' cha<?ng
> > cho*i! :))
> >
> > Ian
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 10
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:59:08 -0500 (EST)
> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: re:[News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311105541.10072E-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
>
> Hi ANh Thai,
> That was only my decision. Please don't force me to compare the 1945
> hunger deaths with other things. It would again violate the VNSA rules.
>
> ======================
>
> "The motivation is also relevant in a crime" ( Somebody said it)
>
> On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Thai Nguyen wrote:
>
> > >I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> > >hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
> >
> > Anh Vie^.t a`, the^' thi` My~ va` Ta`u thi` sao? Cha(?ng nhe~ vi` My~ tha?
> > Agent Orange dde^'n nay bie^'t bao tre? em vu`ng Qua?ng Tri. co`n chi.u ha^.u
> > qua? hay tha`nh Tha(ng Long bi. ddo^'t bie^'t bao la^`n bo+?i qua^n ca'c trie^`u
> > dda.i nha` Ha'n ma` mi`nh se~ ta^?y chay tie^'ng Anh, tie^'ng Hoa. Du` chi'nh
> > phu? Nha^.t co' xin lo^~i ddi nu+~a cu~ng chi? vi` ba('t buo^.c chu+' ho. kho^ng
> > thu+.c su+. nghi~ va^.y. Mi`nh nghi~ dde^? pho`ng ho+` ca'c tai hoa. mi`nh
> > ca`ng pha?i hoa` nha^.p vo+'i ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c, chu+' kho^ng la`m sao ddoa'n
> > ddu+o+.c ca'c nu+o+'c co+` ke^' tie^'p. Va? la.i du` ho. kho^ng xin lo^~i ma`
> > mi`nh la.i tha lo^~i va` la^.t qua trang mo+'i thi` mi`nh la.i co' the^? tu+.
> > ha`o, co' ddu'ng kho^ng?
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 11
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:05:29 -0500 (EST)
> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: Re: The Japanese
> Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311110353.10072F-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
>
> OK Anh Huy,
> I agree and said good bye to this thread.
> Aiviet
>
> On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk wrote:
>
> > Cha`o ba'c A'i Vie^.t,
> >
> > >> I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> > >> hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
> >
> > Philosophically:
> >
> > Is causing massive deaths for ideological motivations any different/better?
> > And perhaps they did have an ideology: serve the Japanese king by militarism.
> > Besides, the Chinese, the French, the Americans all have caused massive
> > deaths in Vietnam, and the British blocked Vietnamese independence in 1945.
> > Last and not least, the North and the South caused massive deaths to each other.
> >
> > Pragmatically:
> >
> > Vietnam needs to be well integrated in the region to discourage Chinese
> > opportunism.
> >
> > Huy
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 12
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:36:35 +0100
> From: hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: Re: truyen nga
> Message-ID: <199703111536.QAA18101@riems.haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de>
>
>
> A, co`n Turgeniev (?) va` "Mo^'i ti`nh dda^`u" nu+~a chu+', sao kho^ng
> tha^'y ai nha('c dde^'n nhi?. To^i mua quye^?n truye^.n nga('n Turgeniev
> ba(`ng tie^'ng Ddu+'c, ddo.c ddi ddo.c la.i va^~n tha^'y hay.
>
> Huong
>
>
> > From listserv@csd.uwm.edu Tue Mar 11 16:17 MET 1997
> > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:08:42 -0600 (CST)
> > Originator: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> > From: vu-ha-van@MATH.YALE.EDU (Ha Van Vu)
> > To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> > Subject: truyen nga
> > X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
> >
> >
> > Chao cac bac doc truyen nga,
> >
> > Hoi xua toi thich Dubroski voi Con gai vien dai uy cua Puskin lam,
> > chua thay co ai nhac chuyen Puskin ca (con Dam pich thi chac ai cung biet).
> >
> > Hoi do van hoa Nga tran ngap, chang phai rieng truyen ma thoi, ca nhac quoc te
> > chieu chu nhat cung bai hat nga la chinh. con da bong thi cung phan
> > lon la truyen nhung tran co doi Nga.
> > thanh ra cuoi cung ai nay deu co vu cho doi nay.
> > Hoi cap 3. lop toi co bao nhieu co me anh thu mon dep trai Dasaev. (:=))
> >
>
> Co^ na`o va^.y ? Theo to+' nho+' thi` ho^`i ca^'p 2 co' ma^'y te^n me^ Dasaev,
> chu+' kho^ng pha?i ca^'p 3.
>
> > Best, Van
> >
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 13
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:26:41 -0500
> From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: Ca^`n giu'p o+? Baltimore, Maryland USA
> Message-ID: <199703111611.LAA02627@ns.kreative.net>
>
> La`ng ta co' ba'c na`o hie^.n o+? Baltimore no'i tie^'ng Vie^.t (the^m ti'
> tie^'ng Qua?ng thi` ca`ng to^'t) va` co' lo`ng tha`nh thi` co' gia ddi`nh
> ca^`n giu'p ddo+~. Ho. ddang ga(.p kho' trong ngo^n ngu+~ va` nhu+~ng da`n
> xe^'p ho.c ha`nh cho ba ddu+'a con tre?
>
> Ho. ca^`n i't hu+o+'ng da^~n va` giu'p ddo+~ lai rai. Ba'c na`o giu'p
> ddu+o+.c thi` bo+' to^i mo^.t tie^'ng.
>
> Ca?m o+n nhie^`u.
>
> Toa`n
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 14
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:23:42 -0500
> From: To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: VKS tro`n 1 tuo^?i.
> Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970311112337.006afc50@pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
>
> Cha`o ta^'t ca?,
>
> Ca`ng nga`y su+. giao lu+u giu+~a hai List VKS va VNSA ca`ng ro^.ng ra~i
> ne^'u nhu+ ba.n de^? y' nhu+~ng fwd ga^`n da^y ve^` tin tu+'c VN, ve^` va(n
> tho+ giu+~a hai Lists.... The^m va`o do', ca`ng nga`y ca`ng co nhie^`u ba.n
> (trong do' co' to^i) la` tha`nh vie^n cu?a ca? hai be^n, tuy ra(`ng su+.
> do'ng go'p va` tham gia do^'i vo+'i tu+`ng List co' kha'c nhau vi` dieu
> kien tho+`i gian, su phu` ho+.p...cu`ng vo+'i mo.i ly' do ma` ai cung co'
> the^? nghi~ ra duo+.c khi thi'ch hay kho^ng thi'ch.
> Ho^m qua Ba.n AnHai co' vie^'t mo^.t ba`i vo+'i tu+ ca'ch ca' nha^n ve^`
> legality issue cua VNSA, trong do' co' ne^u ve^` Mandat cu?a List VNSA.
> Xe't ve^` to^?ng the^?, mu.c tie^u cu?a hai Lists VNSA va VKS la` nhu+
> nhau, ly' do vi` sao chu'ng ta van co' hai Lists cu~ng da du+o+.c ba.n
> AnHai de^` ca^.p pha^`n na`o.
> Ne^'u ba.n la` tha`nh vie^n "ke'p" nhu+ to^i hoa(.c nhu+ ngay ma^'y ba.n
> Admins cu?a VNSA da^y thi` chu'ng ta tha^'y hai Lists co identity hoa`n
> toa`n kha'c bie^.t nhau, ve^` no^.i dung tha?o lua^.n, ca'ch thu+'c tha?o
> lua^.n, tha`nh pha^`n members.....
> Su+. dda da.ng na`y la` die^`u ca^`n thie^'t de^? da'p u+'ng nhu ca^`u
> cu?a tu+`ng ca' nha^n sinh vie^n va` luu hoc sinh Viet nam o nuoc ngoai.
> Cu~ng nga`y ca`ng nhie^`u ba.n tu+` VNSA ho?i ve^` VKS.
> To^i tha^'y mi`nh co' tra'ch nhie^.m giu'p ca'c ba.n hie^?u do^i die^`u ve
> VKS ma` nga`y mai no' vu+`a tro`n 1 tuoi voi hon 4000 messages trao doi ve
> tat ca ca'c chu? de^`.
> No^.i dung du+o+'i da^y fwd tu+` ba`i cu?a VKS, bo+?i vay xin phe'p duoc
> edit doi chu't cho phu hop va chi giu lai te^n ca'c members ke'p ma` toi
> biet. Mong ca'c tha`nh vie^n ke'p bo? qua. Be^n VKS ca'c thanh vie^n co'
> the^? bie^'t nhau, be^n VNSA thi kho^ng. Thu+.c ra to^i cung cha(?ng bie^'t
> to^i dang no'i vo+'i ai da^y va` die^`u do' vo+'i to^i ra^'t quan tro.ng.
> Cuo^'i cu`ng, la` mo^.t tha`nh vie^n cu?a hai Lists, to^i mong muo^'n ca'c
> ba.n Du ho.c sinh cu?a List VNSA bie^'t de^'n va` gia nha^.p VKS va`
> nguo+.c la.i. Ne^'u ba.n la` Du hoc sinh, chu'ng to^i nhu+~ng thanh vie^n
> VKS tren VNSA san sa`ng giu'p ba.n da(ng ky' va`o VKS.
> Tm, Tha`nh.
> --------
> Cha`o ca'c ba.n (xa, ga^`n) cu?a Viet-Khsv (VKS),
>
> Nga`y mai, 12 tha('ng 3 na(m 1997 ... VKS tro`n 1 tuo^?i!
>
> Tha^'m thoa't the^' ma` dda~ 1 na(m ke^? tu+` khi VKS ra ddo+`i. Tho^ng
> ddie^.p dda^`u tie^n cu?a VKS ddu+o+.c pha't ddi lu'c 11:45:25 nga`y
> 12-3-1996 (gio+` Nha^.t Ba?n) dda~ chi'nh thu+'c ho'a su+. ra ddo+`i
> Viet-Khsv cu?a chu'ng ta - mo^.t Mailing List phu.c vu. trao ddo^?i
> tho^ng tin mo.i ma(.t (chu? ye^'u la` ve^` Vie^.t Nam), ho.c ho?i
> la^~n nhau, gia?i tri' va` ca'c mu.c ddi'ch kha'c da`nh cho nhu+~ng
> ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam ddang lu+u ho.c va` nghie^n cu+'u ta.i nu+o+'c ngoa`i.
>
> VKS cu?a chu'ng ta, nhu+ vie^'t trong "lo+`i ngo?", ddu+o+.c kho+?i
> xu+o+'ng bo+?i mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i VN sang lu+u ho.c, nghie^n cu+'u
> ta.i Nha^.t do anh Ta. Anh Tha('ng ne^u sa'ng kie^'n va`o nga`y
> 17-2-1996.
> Vie^.c hi`nh tha`nh VKS ra sao, vi` sao la^'y te^n VIET-KHSV, mu.c ddi'ch
> va` pha.m vi hoa.t ddo^.ng ne^n the^' na`o, vv -- ddo' la` nhu+~ng
> chu? dde^` no'ng bo?ng ma` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ta.o la^.p dda~ ba`n ba.c
> lu'c ddo'.
>
> Sau khi co^ng bo^', VKS ddu+o+.c ddie^`u ha`nh trong pha.m vi cho phe'p
> cu?a Server ta.i 1 trung ta^m ti'nh toa'n cu?a AIST-NARA. Khi mo^.t
> ca(n nha` "kho^ng cu+?a" thi` ai cu~ng co' the^? va`o ra ba^'t ke^?
> lu'c na`o, vi` va^.y vie^.c "co' cu+?a" (ca? nghi~a "co' ngu+o+`i
> thu+o+`ng tru+.c ddu+'ng ddo'n/ddu+a kha'ch va`o/ra NHA` cu?a chu'ng
> ta") dda~ tro+? tha`nh nhu ca^`u ta^'t ye^'u (va` "ngu+o+`i thu+o+`ng
> tru+.c" ddo' pha?i "no'i ba(`ng tie^'ng Vie^.t"). DDe^'n nay chu'ng
> ta dda~ co' tre^n 4000 tho^ng ddie^.p ddu+o+.c lu+u ke^? tu+` 8-6-96.
> VKS "lo+'n" da^`n do co^ng cha(m so'c, ddu`m bo.c, thu+o+ng ye^u cu?a
> chi'nh mo^~i tha`nh vie^n chu'ng ta. DDe^'n nay VKS co' 151 members,
> nhu+ng hie^.n
> chi? co' 93 tha`nh vie^n nha^.n ca'c tho^ng ddie^.p tu+'c tho+`i (ON).
> Nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i kha'c hoa(.c ddang ddi va('ng hoa(.c dda~ ve^` nu+o+'c.
>
> VKS dda~ tu+`ng qua "nhu+~ng phu't tha(ng tra^`m", song chu'ng ta dda~
> cu`ng nhau ta.o du+.ng ddu+o+.c VKS nhu+ nga`y nay kho^ng the^? kho^ng
> ke^? dde^'n ta^m huye^'t ddo'ng go'p ban dda^`u cu?a ca'c anh Ho^` Tu' Ba?o
> (JAIST), Nguye^~n Quang Kim (Ehime Univ), Le^ Ha?i Nam (TIT), Nguye^~n
> Tro.ng Du~ng (JAIST),... VKS "lo+'n" ddu+o+.c, phong phu' ddu+o+.c do
> pha^`n ddo'ng go'p quy' ba'u cu?a ca'c anh ....
> To^ Long Tha`nh, No^ng Tua^'n Giang,... tu+` mu`a he` na(m ngoa'i, va`
> tie^'p theo cu?a ca'c anh ..... Vu~ Tha`nh Ca, .......
> ... va` cu?a ca'c chi. ....... cu`ng ta^'t ca? ca'c anh chi em chu'ng ta
> tu+` tru+o+'c dde^'n nay. VKS la` cu?a chi'nh mo^~i chu'ng ta,
> kho^ng cu?a rie^ng ai
> vi` va^.y VKS ddu+o+.c ca'c tha`nh vie^n xem nhu+ "nha` cu?a mi`nh"
> khi xa que^ hu+o+ng tre^n dda^'t kha'ch que^ ngu+o+`i.
>
> Nha^n di.p VKS "dda^`y na(m", VKS xin gu+?i to+'i ca'c anh chi. em ga^`n
> xa lo+`i ca?m o+n cha^n tha`nh va` bie^'t o+n sa^u sa('c dda~ dde^'n va`
> vui vo+'i VKS. DDe^? cho VKS nga`y ca`ng hu+~u i'ch ho+n, ra^'t mong ca?
> nha` ta cu`ng co' nhu+~ng y' kie^'n trao ddo^?i, ma.n dda`m ve^` "nha` ta".
>
> Cu~ng nha^n di.p na`y, VKS xin nho+` ca'c anh chi. em gu+?i lo+`i cha`o
> tha^n thie^'t nha^'t to+'i nhu+~ng tha`nh vie^n cu~ cu?a VKS va` hy vo.ng
> VKS so+'m co' di.p ga(.p ma(.t ddo^ng vui ta.i que^ nha`.
>
> Xin chu'c ca'c anh chi. em su+'c kho?e, nie^`m vui, ha.nh phu'c, nhie^`u
> ke^'t qua? trong ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u.
>
> Tha^n me^'n,
>
> Viet-Khsv (VKS).
> ---------------
> Introduction to VIET-KHSV
> =========================
> VA`I LO+`I VE^` VIET-KHSV
>
> 1. VIET-KHSV la` te^n cu?a danh sa'ch trao ddo^?i tin tre^n ma.ng
> Internet, kho+?i dda^`u bo+?i mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i tu+` Vie^.t nam qua
> Nha^.t ba?n ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u khoa ho.c. VIET-KHSV la`
> vie^'t ta('t cu?a "nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i VIET nam la`m co^ng ta'c Khoa
> Ho.c va` Sinh Vie^n", Viet-KhSv ddu+o+.c go.i ta('t la` VKS. VKS hie^.n
> co' ca'c tha`nh vie^n ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u ta.i Nha^.t, U'c,
> My~, DDu+'c, Bi?, Thu.y ddie^?n, Tie^.p, Hung, Ba Lan, va^n va^n.
>
> 2. VIET-KHSV la` danh sa'ch trao ddo^?i tin cu?a nhu+~ng tha`nh vie^n
> hoa`n toa`n tu+. nguye^.n, thie^.n chi', muo^'n chia se? mo^.t so^'
> quan ta^m chung, muo^'n co' the^m be` ba.n, vi`:
>
> - pha^`n ddo^ng ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u ra?i ra'c xa nhau, mo^~i
> ngu+o+`i chi? co' the^? bie^'t va`i ngu+o+`i trong co^.ng ddo^`ng, va`
> ai cu~ng co' nhu ca^`u trao ddo^?i tho^ng tin ve^` Vie^.t nam.
>
> - cu`ng may ma('n co' di.p ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u trong nhu+~ng
> ddie^`u kie^.n ra^'t to^'t, nhu+ng kho' kha(n cu~ng tha^.t
> nhie^`u. Chia se? tin tu+'c, kinh nghie^.m, ... cu~ng luo^n la` mo^.t
> nhu ca^`u lo+'n.
>
> - tuy co' nhie^`u ddie^`u kie^.n dde^? theo do~i tin tu+'c chung,
> nhu+ng tho+`i gian mo^~i nga`y eo he.p, nguo^`n tin la.i qua' nhie^`u,
> ddo^i khi co' nhu+~ng tin muo^'n ddu+o+.c trao ddo^?i the^m, muo^'n
> ba'o cho ngu+o+`i kha'c bie^'t. The^m nu+~a, ddie^`u kie^.n su+? du.ng
> ma'y ti'nh cu?a mo^~i ngu+o+`i mo^~i kha'c: ngu+o+`i co' workstation
> rie^ng co' the^? du`ng suo^'t nga`y, ngu+o+`i thi?nh thoa?ng mo+'i
> "va`o ma'y".
>
> - va^n va^n.
>
> 4. VIET-KHSV hu+o+'ng dde^'n trao ddo^?i TIN co' i'ch chung cho mo.i
> ngu+o+`i tham gia, co' the^? hi`nh dung gia?n di. nhu+ nhu+~ng trao
> ddo^?i ha`ng nga`y cu?a chu'ng ta giu+~a be` ba.n. Kho^ng ha.n che^'
> nhu+ng chu? ye^'u VIET-KHSV hu+o+'ng dde^'n:
>
> (a) Nhu+~ng tin tu+'c giu'p cuo^.c so^'ng, ho.c ta^.p ddu+o+.c de^~
> da`ng, hie^.u qua? ho+n:
>
> - nhu+~ng ca^u ho?i, tha('c ma('c, ... ve^` cuo^.c so^'ng, nha`
> tru+o+`ng, ho.c bo^?ng, thi cu+?; mo^.t so^' kinh nghie^.m ho.c,
> nghie^n cu+'u, trong quan he^. vo+'i tha`y, ba.n (ngu+o+`i nu+o+'c
> kha'c), ...
>
> - tho^ng tin ve^` no+i, nga`nh mi`nh so^'ng va` ho.c,
>
> - giu'p ddo+~ la^~n nhau khi co' ba.n be` tu+` no+i kha'c co' vie^.c
> dde^'n vu`ng mi`nh;
>
> - ca'c thu? tu.c cu?a nha` nu+o+'c: gia ha.n, thi. thu+.c xua^'t
> nha^.p ca?nh, ba'o ca'o, ...
>
> - kinh nghie^.m va` thu? tu.c xin visa ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c; mua ve'
> ma'y bay re?;
>
> - va^n va^n.
>
> (b) Tho+`i su+. ve^` Vie^.t nam va` the^' gio+'i:
>
> - ca'c nguo^`n tin tu+` ba'o chi', dda`i, tivi, tre^n ma.ng Internet,
> ...; Tin co' the^? do ba.n chua^?n bi., la^'y o+? no+i kha'c va` cho.n
> lo.c, chuye^?n la.i cho mo.i ngu+o+`i. Cu~ng co' the^? chi? ca^`n
> chi? ra di.a chi? hay ca'ch la^'y tin.
>
> - ca'c tin tu+'c qua gia ddi`nh, ba.n be`, ... (nguo^`n rie^ng co'
> the^? chia se?);
>
> (c) Tin khoa ho.c, the^? thao, nghe^. thua^.t, va(n ho.c, ...
>
> (d) Ca'c chuye^.n vui, gia?i tri', sa'ng ta'c, ...
>
>
> 5. DDe^? gia nha^.p VIET-KHSV:
>
> - gu+?i email to+'i:
> viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
> - subject: ###!!!Gia nha^.p Viet-khsv (ALL)
> - no^.i dung: lo+`i cha`o cu?a ba.n (ne^'u co') va` tu+. gio+'i thie^.u
> theo ma^~u:
> - Nguoi gioi thieu VIET-KHSV vo+'i ba.n:
> Ho va ten:
> Email-addr:
>
> 8. DDe^? gu+?i tin cho Viet-khsv:
>
> - gu+?i email to+'i: viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
>
> - Se~ vui bie^'t bao nhie^u ne^'u ba.n thu+o+`ng tha^'y Viet-khsv ddem
> la.i cho mi`nh nhu+~ng tin "coi ddu+o+.c". Se~ quy' ho+n bie^'t bao
> nhie^u ne^'u thi?nh thoa?ng ba.n da`nh chu't tho+`i gian quy' ba'u
> cu?a mi`nh dde^? go'p pha^`n vo+'i Viet-khsv. Vi` Viet-khsv se~ chi?
> to^`n ta.i va` phong phu' ho+n ne^'u co' ddo'ng go'p cu?a mo^~i
> ngu+o+`i tham gia.
>
> - Ne^'u ba.n chu+a dda(ng ky' tham gia VIET-KHSV, va` muo^'n no'i gi`
> ddo' vo+'i VIET-KHSV, xin gu+?i tin cu?a ba.n tru+.c tie^'p to+'i VKS.
>
>
> Tha^n me^'n,
> Viet-KHSV@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
> -------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Topic No. 15
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:32:45 -0500
> From: To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: Go'p chuye^.n ngo^n ngu+~/FWd tu VKS.
> Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970311113244.006b2748@pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:18:57 +0100
> From: Pham TBH (Sweden).
> Subject: [Viet-Khsv: 4108] Go'p chuye^.n ngo^n ngu+~
> To: viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
>
>
> Cha`o ca'c ba.n,
>
> Nha^n bu+~a no. no'i dde^'n chi'nh ta?, ngo^n ngu+~ ddi.a phu+o+ng, ro^`i
> co' le~ pha?i the^m ca? loa.i "ngo^n ngu+~ li.ch su+."... to^i co' ma^'y
> chuye^.n xin ke^? ha^`u ca'c ba.n. (Co`n va`i chuye^.n pha?i bo+'t la.i,
> vi` ke^? thi` so+. ca'c ba.n nam se~ kie^.n "Chi. la^'n sa^n em")
>
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>
> Tre^n mo^.t chuye^'n xe Nghi~a lo^. - Ye^n Ba'i, ddu'ng lu'c xe ddang la('c
> lu+ vu+o+.t do^'c thi` mo^.t o^ng da^n to^.c Me`o bo^~ng ddu+'ng da^.y,
> xa^'n xo^? la'ch dde^'n ga^`n ghe^' la'i xe, ve? kha^?n ca^'p:
>
> - Ma`y du+`ng xe cho tao la'i!
>
> La'i xe:
>
> - Tho^i ddi bo^'! La'i the^' na`o ddu+o+.c ma` ddo`i la'i!
>
> - Tao muo^'n la'i ma`!
>
> - Tho^i bo^' ve^` cho^~ ddi! La.i say ha??
>
> - Tao muo^'n la'i la('m ro^`i. Ma`y ma` kho^ng cho tao xuo^'ng la'i tao
> la'i ra xe ba^y gio+` dda^y na`y!
>
> Ho'a ra o^ng cu. cu~ng co' "no^~i sa^`u rie^ng" nhu+ "ai ddo'" o+? VKS dda~
> tho^? lo^., pha?i to^.i pha't a^m "dd" tha`nh "l"!
>
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>
> Ba` Na(m o+? Ha` no^.i, mo^.t bu+~a nha` co' gio^~, mo+`i o^ng anh cho^`ng
> o+? que^ ra du+.. Giu+~a lu'c nha` ddang ddo^ng kha'ch, toa`n ba.n la`m a(n
> cu?a ba` chu? nha`, thi` o^ng anh cho^`ng go.i tu+o+'ng le^n "Thi'm Na(m
> na`y, o+` the^' ddi dda'i o+? cho^~ na`o nha^?y? Go+'m, ra dda^y la.
> nu+o+'c, la. ca'i, cha? bie^'t cho^~ na`o ma` la^`n". Ba` Na(m nguo+.ng
> qua', chi? cho^~ xong lie^`n ghe' tai o^ng anh cho^`ng no'i nho?: "La^`n
> sau ba'c cu+' ho?i cho^~ ru+?a tay ba'c nhe', no'i nhu+ ba'c ba^'t tie^.n
> qua', o+? dda^y kho^ng nhu+ o+? que^ dda^u ba'c a.."
> Va`i na(m sau, ba` Na(m mua dda^'t xa^y nha`. Ho^m kha'nh tha`nh nha` la.i
> mo+`i o^ng anh cho^`ng va` ba.n be` "ha^?u". La^`n na`y, vi` la` nha`
> mo+'i, ne^n ba` Na(m chu? ddo^.ng ho?i tru+o+'c: " Da. ba'c co' muo^'n
> ru+?a tay thi` dde^? em chi? cho^~ cho ba'c!". O^ng anh cho^`ng dda'p oang
> oang: "Tho^i thi'm a., tru+o+'c luc' va`o dda^y to^i dda~ ru+?a tay o+?
> go^'c ca^y ngoa`i ddu+o+`ng ro^`i."
>
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>
> Mo^.t ddo^i vo+. cho^`ng muo^'n to? ra thanh li.ch lie^`n da^.y con mo^~i
> la^`n muo^'n ddi "te`" thi` pha?i no'i la` "con muo^'n ha't".
> Mo^.t ho^m, o^ng no^.i ca^.u be' o+? que^ ra cho+i. Hai vo+. cho^`ng nha^n
> di.p na`y xe^'p cho ca^.u con trai ngu? vo+'i o^ng no^.i o+? nha` ngoa`i.
> Nu+?a dde^m, tha(`ng be' da^.y lay o^ng no^.i ba?o:
> - O^ng o+i! Cha'u muo^'n ha't.
> O^ng cu. nga.c nhie^n, tu+o+?ng cha'u mo+ ngu?:
> - O^ hay! Ngu? ddi chu+' cha'u! Ha't ca'i gi` ma` ha't giu+~a dde^m the^'
> na`y.
> Tha(`ng be' kha^?n khoa?n:
> - O^ng o+i, cha'u muo^'n ha't tha^.t ma`!
> O^ng cu. va^~n thi` tha`o:
> - Ngu? ddi, dde^? ye^n cho bo^' me. ma`y ngu?. Mai ha't cha'u a.
> Tha(`ng be' me^'u ma'o:
> - O^ng o+i, cha'u muo^'n ha't la('m ro^`i! Hu hu...
> O^ng cu. bu+.c mi`nh tha^.t su+.:
> - Con ca'i nha`! DDe^? mai tao ho?i to^.i bo^' me. ma`y. Kho^ng ngo+`
> chu'ng no' la.i nuo^ng chie^`u con dde^'n the^' na`y. Tho^i, ma`y muo^'n
> ha't thi` ha't ddi, nhu+ng ha't nho? nho? va`o tai o^ng dda^y na`y!
>
> --------------------
>
> O+? vie^.n to^i co' le^. la` chi. em ra^'t hay ru? nhau cu`ng ddi... WC.
> (Strange? Pha?i, vie^.n to^i thi` kho^ng thie^'u gi` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i va
> nhu+~ng chuye^.n strange). Co' ddie^`u, vi` toa`n nhu+~ng "vie^.n si~" ca?
> ne^n ru? nhau cu~ng pha?i "ni.ch su+.". Bo+?i va^.y, mo^~i la^`n Thu?y be'o
> sang be^n pho`ng to^i, ddu+'ng cho^'ng na.nh, ha'ch di.ch: "DDa~ co+m
> nu+o+'c gi` chu+?a?", thi` nghi~a la` ai co' "no^~i buo^`n" ne^n ddi vo+'i
> no'.
> Co`n V., ba.n cu`ng Lab vo+'i to^i thi` go.i WC la` "no+i Vua cu~ng pha?i
> ddi bo^."
> Mo^.t ho^m, vu+`a nghe Thu?y "do'ng", to^i lie^`n ddu+'ng da^.y, la(?ng
> la(.ng ra ngoa`i. Hai chi. em mo+'i ddi ddu+o+.c ma^'y bu+o+'c thi` V.
> la^.t dda^.t cha.y theo:
> - Na`y! Na`y! Ba.n ddi dda^u dda^'y?
> Ba^'t ngo+` qua', to^i ddo+` ma(.t:
> - Thi`... to^i... ddi a(n co+m. (cu~ng may lu'c a^'y ga^`n tru+a ro^`i.)
> Cha(?ng ngo+`, V. ho+'n ho+?:
> - Cho to^i ddi vo+'i!
> To^i luo^'ng cuo^'ng:
> - A^'y! DDe^? la't nu+~a to^i se~ quay ve^` go.i ba.n.
> - O+! The^' ba.n ddi.nh a(n xong mo+'i ve^` go.i to^i cha('c?
> Thu?y be'o ddang "ca` cuo^'ng" ne^n kho^ng the^? kie^n nha^~n du+o+.c
> nu+~a, no' qua't le^n:
> - Anh co' quay ve^` hay kho^ng thi` ba?o! Em vo+'i chi. a^'y co`n ddi
> dde^'n ca'i cho^~ ma` "Vua cu~ng pha?i ddi bo^." nha` anh dda^'y!
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>
> Topic No. 16
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:36:53 -0800 (PST)
> From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: [film]"Thu+o+ng Nho+' DDo^`ng Que^" ddu+o+.c gia?i ta.i Fribourg
> Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970311082825.21683C-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
>
>
> Cha`o ca'c ba'c, sa'ng ra dda~ tha^'y co' nhie^`u chuye^.n hay qu'a,
> chuye^.n na`o cu~ng muo^'n nha?y va`o. Nhu+ng co' le~ dda`nh cho+` dde^'n
> to^'i va^.y.
>
> Truye^.n "Thu+o+ng nho+' ddo^`ng que^" cu?a Ng~ Huy Thie^.p dda~ dda(ng
> tre^n VNSA. Ba'c na`o muo^'n ddo.c thi` cu+' me`o cho to^i hoa(.c va`o
> VNSA Webpage
> ta.i http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/anhai/vnsa/vnsa.html ma` lu.c
> lo.i. Kho archive la` no+i co^ng co^.ng, mong ca'c ba'c cu+' tu+. nhie^n
> nhu+ ruo^`i.
>
> Nghe ba?o Le^ Va^n ddo'ng vai Quye^n, co^ be' ddi du ho.c My~ ve^` tha(m
> la`ng trong phim na`y. Va`i ho^m nu+~a co`n ba`i ve^` Le^ Va^n se~ dda(ng
> cho ca'c ba'c ddo.c. Ha?i.
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> - Phim Vie^.t Nam Du+. Lie^n Hoan DDie^.n A?nh Quo^'c Te^' Ta.i
> Fribourg, Thu.y Si~ .
>
> (Fribourg - AFP) To^'i nga`y 9/3/97, Bo^. phim "Thu+o+ng Nho+'
> DDo^`ng Que^" cu?a dda.o die^~n DDa(.ng Nha^.t Minh ddu+o+.c trao
> ta(.ng gia?i thu+o+?ng Co^ng Chu'ng (Prix du Pubkic) ta.i Lie^n
> hoan ddie^.n a?nh quo^'c te^' Fribourg la^`n thu+' 11 o+? Thu.y
> Si~. Bo^. phim na`y cu~ng ddu+o+.c trao ta(.ng ba(`ng khen dda(.c
> bie^.t cu?a ban gia'm kha?o gio+'i tre?.
>
> Gia?i nha^'t cu?a lie^n hoan ddie^.n a?nh Fribourg ddu+o+.c trao
> cho bo^. phim Trung Quo^'c "Ma^y va` mu+a tre^n mie^`n Co^n So+n
> " cu?a dda.o die^~n Tru+o+ng Minh, ke^? ve^` cuo^.c so^'ng cu?a
> mo^.t tha`nh pho^' nho? sa('p bi. nga^.p nu+o+'c va` bie^'n ma^'t
> tre^n ba?n ddo^` vo+'i vie^.c xa^y ca^'t dda^.p Tam Kha^?u tre^n
> so^ng Du+o+ng Tu+?.
>
>
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>
> Topic No. 17
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:56:42 -0600
> From: Thanh Dang Nguyen <Nguyen.Dang.Thanh@Eng.Auburn.EDU>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Cc: nguyet1@Eng.Auburn.EDU
> Subject: The State of Things
> Message-ID: <199703111656.KAA11042@asimov.eng.auburn.edu>
>
> Dear Hai and other art lovers,
>
> > Hope that somehow convince you of seeing them :-). Please let us know how
> > you feel afterwards.
>
> Since nearly all of our dear list members were unanimous in this Chinese
> movie thread, I guess I need to overcome my ambivalence for Asian
> cinema. I hereby make a solemn promise that I will watch all of them
> in the coming spring break :) I will share my experience with you
> afterwards. Thanks for the recommendation!
>
> > There are also many excellent Japanese films. In fact, Japanese films
> > constitute quite a "cult" here in the US.
>
> I don't know of any Japanese cult movies. I saw a commercial of
> such a film (the title was "The Iron Man"), but it didn't attract me.
> BTW, although I respect the underground movement (as opposed to
> the slick Hollywood movies industry), we need to be extremely careful
> in judging their artistic values. As I said before, open-mindedness is
> important in approaching any art form, but at the same time self-indulgence
> should be avoided. About my Japanese experience, the only director I know
> is Akira Kurosawa, whose works include the spectacular "Ran" (a Japanese
> adaptation of Shakespeare's King Lear story) and "The Seven Samurai"
> (have you seen the American version of it, a Western titled "The
> Magnificent Seven"?) BTW, the first pornographic movie in my life
> was a Japanese one with title "In the Realm of the Senses" (in Hungarian,
> "Az erzekek birodalma"). It's a three-star movie in Hungary, and was shown
> only for a special occasion. Probably I met some of you guys there, since
> as far as I can remember, half of the theater were Vietnamese :) It's really
> a hardcore, and was a shock for people who like soft movies like
> "Lady Chatterley's Lover", or "Emanuelle". No personal comment here!
>
> > I don't remember many Eastern block films, but I can never forget
> > some of the titles, eg Nhu+~ng -du+'a con cua? Ga^'u me. vi~
> > -da.i--what a name! Great stuffs for us kids.
>
> Sounds great indeed! It still sticks in my mind, even I don't remember
> the film itself. BTW, I remember that back then we used to make up
> some funny stories which used mainly movies titles (like the one
> which only contains words beginning with the letter "t"). Do you guys
> remember any one of these?
>
> > What do you think of American films? They seem to be very popular
> > in Vietnam. And Vietnamese films seem to be very unpopular. Do you
> > think that the Vietnamese film industry can survive without subsidy?
>
> Most of American movies suck! (off the hat for the exceptions) It's
> really a business, not art anymore. If you want cheap thrills, then it's
> not a problem; but if you want a lifetime experience, you get stuck with
> them. Today each time they make a new movie, you can see a big commercial
> fuss all around (movie, soundtrack CD, collectible toys for kids, T-shirts,
> and so on). And too much violence, less sincere human feelings, less
> life-like situations. Filmmakers try to captivate the audience by using
> excessive amount of special effects and twisted plots, rather than saying
> something original and thought provoking. I do not want to generalize here,
> but my feeling is that it's a current tendency.
>
> I'm skeptical about the popular culture in general, including our
> country. Everything now is a business, and who would want to make
> a movie for a few "crazy" fans. One solution is to make a simple but
> original movie, try to manage the resources as efficiently as possible,
> since Vietnamese filmmakers apparently can't compete with their American
> or Hong Kong colleagues. BTW, imitation is always a poor approach in
> art. Since I really doubt that our government would support these
> projects, independent funds should be established; another way is
> to join different cooperations with the countries in our region
> (the way the Europeans tried to do so far). But overall, it's still
> a headache I think :-(
>
> About the Vietnamese public, I think they (mostly young people) are
> manipulated by the misconception about what a good movie is. People
> from poor country usually see America as the ideal place for
> everything, and they find it in Hollywood movies (expensive cars,
> good-looking, famous stars, different life styles etc.) -- if
> Hollywood filmmakers know one thing very well, that must be the
> fact that they are professional in manipulating our senses.
> Often you hate the movie, but still keep watching it. The only
> way out here is to educate people, and expose them to different
> cultures; but again, we're back to the problem of support, ie.
> money (a vicious circle, isn't it?) I'm really sad to see that most
> people adore Hollywood movies without good reasoning or thinking
> ("it's cool because Mel Gibson and Demi Moore play in it, because
> they spend 50+ million dollars on it (so what?), because it is nominated
> to 10 Oscars ...", and so on). We need to see the mainstream movies, but
> should be able to tell their artistic values *ourselves*. Not what the
> mass media tell us.
>
> Dear friends, I'm still skeptical ...
>
> Bye for now,
>
> -Thanh
>
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