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VNSA-L digest 254
VNSA-L Digest 254
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
2) Re: DDa(ng ky' va`o VNSA
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
3) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
4) Thanks (Ref: ActiveX / off-the-shelf technology)
by Thanh Tung Truong <tung.truong@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
5) Movies
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
6) Chinese movies (was Re: Taboo in Vietnamese Movies)
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
7) Vietnamese movies
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
8) La.i truye^.n ra^'t nga('n / Co^ em ho. cu?a ba'c Zu~ng
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
9) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
10) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
11) Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
12) VN news (Mar 9-10)
by Dam Son <son@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
13) Re: various or "Still fuzzy?"
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
14) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
15) Re: Questions on Deng/VietNam-Cambodge/(F)SU-Afganistan
by Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:04:02 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310085151.20038I-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Dinh Thi Thanh Huong wrote:
> >
> > To^i vu+`a cho+.t nho+' ra, mo^.t so^' truye^.n nga('n cu?a Pautovxkii
> > cu~ng ga^y cho to^i ca?m gia'c man ma'c\. Co' ba'c na`o thi'ch truye^.n
> > cu?a Pautovxkii kho^ng ?
> >
>
> Toi ngay xua thich nhat tap chuyen "Bong hong vang" cua Pautovski, tu ngay
> sang day khong mang theo nen cung quen kha nhieu. Co ai co tap do khong?
> A, toi co 1 bai tho cua Bang Viet "Nho ve Pautovski" thi phai, co ai thich
> toi se post len.
Yes, I am interested. Hu+o+ng co' post le^n cho bo.n mi`nh ddo.c vo+'i,
xin ca?m o+n.
To^i ddo.c Pautovski la^u qu'a ro^`i gio+` kho^ng co`n nho+' ma^'y. la.i
thi?nh thoa?ng hay la^~n lo^.n o^ng na`y vo+'i Boris Pasternak. Hi`nh nhu+
Pasternak cu~ng hay vie^'t truye^.n nga('n (?). Co' truye^.n nga('n "Tuye^'t"
nga`y xu+a ddo.c tha^'y cu~ng hay, va` man ma'c nhu+ ba'c Tie^'n ke^?, ma`
ba^y gio+` kho^ng nho+' la` o^ng na`o trong hai o^ng vie^'t nu+~a.
Co' ba'c na`o co`n hay ddo.c Solokhov, "So^ng DDo^ng e^m dde^`m" va`
"So^' pha^.n con ngu+o+`i" dde^`u hay. Co`n ho^`i tru+o+'c khi to^i
bie^'n kho?i VN thi` thi'ch nha^'t la` ba'c Chingiz Aimatov va` ca'c
truye^.n nga('n truye^.n da`i cu?a ba'c "Giamilia, nu'i ddo^`i va` tha?o
nguye^n", "Ca^y phong non tru`m kha(n ddo?" (?), "Ngu+o+`i tha^`y gia'o
cuo^'i cu`ng",...vv. Ba'c na`y vie^'t truye^.n da`i gi` ve^` bo^'n o^ng
trong
be^.nh vie^.n cu~ng hay la('m. Ngoa`i ra co`n co' ba'c na`o nho+' la` ai
vie^'t ta^.p truye^.n "Con ta`u tra('ng" kho^ng? Ta^.p na`y cu~ng hay
la('m. Ho+n mu+o+`i na(m, to^i que^n tie^.t ca? ro^`i. Nay sang My~ co'
ma^'y la^`n co^' ti`m ddo.c truye^.n Aimatov ma` cha(?ng ti`m dda^u ra.
Co`n truye^.n nga('n hay thi` William S. Maugham va` O. Henry cu~ng co'
nhie^`u truye^.n hay, kho^ng hie^?u co' ba'c na`o thi'ch kho^ng.
Ha?i.
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Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:09:16 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: DDa(ng ky' va`o VNSA
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310090620.20038K-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
Anh Hu`ng va` ca'c ba.n kha'c,
Trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p nhu+ the^' na`y thi` ddo+n gia?n nha^'t la` anh
hoa(.c anh ba.n gu+?i e-mail dde^'n mo^.t trong ca'c admin va` cho bie^'t
ddi.a chi? e-mail cu?a ngu+o+`i muo^'n subscribe. Bo.n to^i se~ cho di.a
chi? ddo' va`o danh sa'ch n~ ngu+o+`i tham gia VNSA.
Ca?m o+n anh Hu`ng va` cho+` e-mail cu?a anh.
Tha^n, Ha?i.
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Viet Hung Nguyen wrote:
> Dear ca'c ba'c Admins!
> To^i co' mo^.t ngu+o+`i ba.n nuo^'n dda(ng ky' va`o VNSA. Anh a^'y dda~ la`m
> ddu'ng chi? da^~n nhu+ng kho^ng ddu+o+.c va` nha^.n ddu+o+.c tho^ng ba'o
> la`: User unknown. Cha('c la` do chu+a pha?i la` tha`nh vie^n cu?a VNSA.
> Mong ca'c ba'c chi? da^~n giu'p!
>
> Xin ca?m o+n ca'c ba'c nhie^`u!
>
> Hung.
>
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Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:15:41 +0100
From: Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703101715.SAA03314@seth.imag.fr>
> From listserv@csd.uwm.edu Mon Mar 10 18:11:44 1997
> Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:04:59 -0600 (CST)
> Reply-To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Originator: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Sender: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
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>
>
>
> On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Dinh Thi Thanh Huong wrote:
>
> > >
> > > To^i vu+`a cho+.t nho+' ra, mo^.t so^' truye^.n nga('n cu?a Pautovxkii
> > > cu~ng ga^y cho to^i ca?m gia'c man ma'c\. Co' ba'c na`o thi'ch truye^.n
> > > cu?a Pautovxkii kho^ng ?
> > >
> >
> > Toi ngay xua thich nhat tap chuyen "Bong hong vang" cua Pautovski, tu ngay
> > sang day khong mang theo nen cung quen kha nhieu. Co ai co tap do khong?
> > A, toi co 1 bai tho cua Bang Viet "Nho ve Pautovski" thi phai, co ai thich
> > toi se post len.
>
> Yes, I am interested. Hu+o+ng co' post le^n cho bo.n mi`nh ddo.c vo+'i,
> xin ca?m o+n.
>
> To^i ddo.c Pautovski la^u qu'a ro^`i gio+` kho^ng co`n nho+' ma^'y. la.i
> thi?nh thoa?ng hay la^~n lo^.n o^ng na`y vo+'i Boris Pasternak. Hi`nh nhu+
> Pasternak cu~ng hay vie^'t truye^.n nga('n (?). Co' truye^.n nga('n "Tuye^'t"
> nga`y xu+a ddo.c tha^'y cu~ng hay, va` man ma'c nhu+ ba'c Tie^'n ke^?, ma`
> ba^y gio+` kho^ng nho+' la` o^ng na`o trong hai o^ng vie^'t nu+~a.
>
> Co' ba'c na`o co`n hay ddo.c Solokhov, "So^ng DDo^ng e^m dde^`m" va`
> "So^' pha^.n con ngu+o+`i" dde^`u hay. Co`n ho^`i tru+o+'c khi to^i
> bie^'n kho?i VN thi` thi'ch nha^'t la` ba'c Chingiz Aimatov va` ca'c
> truye^.n nga('n truye^.n da`i cu?a ba'c "Giamilia, nu'i ddo^`i va` tha?o
> nguye^n", "Ca^y phong non tru`m kha(n ddo?" (?), "Ngu+o+`i tha^`y gia'o
> cuo^'i cu`ng",...vv. Ba'c na`y vie^'t truye^.n da`i gi` ve^` bo^'n o^ng
> trong
> be^.nh vie^.n cu~ng hay la('m. Ngoa`i ra co`n co' ba'c na`o nho+' la` ai
> vie^'t ta^.p truye^.n "Con ta`u tra('ng" kho^ng? Ta^.p na`y cu~ng hay
> la('m. Ho+n mu+o+`i na(m, to^i que^n tie^.t ca? ro^`i. Nay sang My~ co'
> ma^'y la^`n co^' ti`m ddo.c truye^.n Aimatov ma` cha(?ng ti`m dda^u ra.
>
> Co`n truye^.n nga('n hay thi` William S. Maugham va` O. Henry cu~ng co'
> nhie^`u truye^.n hay, kho^ng hie^?u co' ba'c na`o thi'ch kho^ng.
>
> Ha?i.
>
Con tau` tra*ng' cung~ cua? Aimatov.
To^i ra^t' thich' O.Henry: Chie^c' la' cuo^i' cung`, Qua` ta*ng cua? nhu*ng~
nha` tho^ng thai' .. Duo*ng` nhu* truye^n nga*n' O^ng hoang` hanh phuc' cung~
cua? Henry thi` phai? It' ra va*n phong, va` kie^u? trie^t' ly' cung~ kha'
gio^ng' Chie^c' la' cuo^i' cung` ....
QLa^n
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Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:14:48 -0800
From: Thanh Tung Truong <tung.truong@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Thanks (Ref: ActiveX / off-the-shelf technology)
Message-ID: <3324C018.75BC@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
Thanks to Anh Ta Luong for the very professional comments on the article
about ActiveX.
To (for?) anh Paul Pham and anh Ian Bui goe thanks for the explanation
for "off-the-shelf technology". I now know two more terms, i.e.
"off-the-shell" and "on-the-shelf", but I guess "off-the-shelf" is the
one which is more commonly used.
Please be prepared for next questions.:-)
Thanh-Tung Truong
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Topic No. 5
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:18:33 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Movies
Message-ID: <97031017183344@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
Dear friends,
I would recommend Burnt by the Sun to Russian movie lovers.
I don't remember many Eastern block films, but I can never forget
some of the titles, eg Nhu+~ng -du+'a con cua? Ga^'u me. vi~
-da.i--what a name! Great stuffs for us kids.
What do you think of American films? They seem to be very popular
in Vietnam. And Vietnamese films seem to be very unpopular. Do you
think that the Vietnamese film industry can survive without subsidy?
What would you say that the characters and strengths of Vietnamese
cinema is? What can Vietnamese cinema try to capitalise on?
Eg many of the 80s and 90s Chinese films play on the last feudal
period and living through the revolutions themes, the great Japanese
films of the 50s and 60s play on the feudal and samurai themes...
Huy
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Topic No. 6
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:28:22 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Chinese movies (was Re: Taboo in Vietnamese Movies)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310091727.20038L-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Thanh Dang Nguyen wrote:
> > If you want to be reminded of your experience in VN, how about watching
> > some of the new Chinese movies, such as "Farewell, my concubine", "Blue
> > Kite", "To Live", etc?
>
> Are they any good? For some reason, I always feel reluctant in
> approaching Asian movies in general, and Chinese/Taiwanese/Hong Kong
> movies in particular. Probably because I have never seen a really
> memorable one. I watched the well-praised "The Last Emperor" last year
> (well, it's directed by Bertolucci with a Chinese cast), but didn't like
> it much (Joan Chen looks good, though :) I guess I should check them out
> after my finals.
Hi Thanh, here was an excerpt from my mails to my VNese friends in
Seattle last Thanksgiving:
-----------------
I walked by the Varsity theatre (across street from the UW bookstore)
yesterday and saw that "Shanghai Triad" and "Raise the Red Lattern" are
now being shown. I would warmly recommed these films if you
haven't seen them. They would make for excellent pasttime this
Thanksgiving.
These two films are made in China the past several years, and belong to
the new wave (Be` lu~ bo^'n te^n) in Chinese cinema that -- more or less
free from
the official censorship -- has been able to depict the reality of Chinese
life, past and present, and to deal with taboo topics with all the power
of cinematic art. The result is outstanding Chinese films that astounded
international viewers and critics, and won numerous prestigous awards.
The above two films won awards at the Cannes Film Festival, for example.
These new-wave films provide a glimse into the Chinese cinema of the
future, say, 25 years from now. God save us, the Vietnamese, and the
rest of the world from being inundated by excellent Chinese films then.
Apart from being historically interesting, these films are truly
cinematic poems, and both starred Gong Li, who is said to be the greatest
Asian actress of our time (or so the one billion Chinese said). My
favorite is "Shanghai Triad", with its mellow music and twisted plot.
--------------
Hope that somehow convince you of seeing them :-). Please let us know how
you feel afterwards. Other films I found quite good include "Blue Kite"
"To Live" and "Eat, Drink, Man, Woman" (Taiwan). Among films made
by Chinese Americans "The Wedding Banquet" and "The JoyLuck Club" are
fine. You should be able to rent all these movies from BlockBusters.
There are also many excellent Japanese films. In fact, Japanese films
constitute quite a "cult" here in the US. Anyone following this cult
out there?
More later,
Hai.
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Topic No. 7
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:39:28 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Vietnamese movies
Message-ID: <97031017392796@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
To^i tha^'y Ca'nh -Do^`ng Hoang kho^ng co' gi` hay. Ho^`i be' coi phim Kim
-Do^`ng, 1 phim ve^` 1 ngu+o+`i li'nh die^.t xe ta<ng Pha'p, 1 phim co' ca?nh
na.n -do'i tho+`i Nha^.t chie^'m, Co^ Gia'o Mie^`n Cao (?), Vi~ tuye^'n 17,
tha^'y hay. Kho^ng bie^'t ba^y gio+` coi la.i se~ nghi~ sao.
Co' ai -da~ coi phim The Return (Tro+? Ve^`? Phim ve^` mo^.t co^ gia'o
HN cu+o+'i cho^`ng la` khoa ho.c gia la`m thu+o+ng gia) chu+a? Va` ca'c ba.n
nghi~ sao? Phim na`y co' nhie^`u -doa.n hay.
Hi`nh nhu+ phim Vie^.t Nam co' ve? gio^'ng phim Pha'p hay A^u Cha^u.
Tie^'c la` ba` con coi bo^. thi'ch phim My~. Kho^ng bie^'t phim Vie^.t Nam
se~ bao gio+` co' mo^.t tho+`i ky` va`ng son nhu+ tho+`i ky` cua? Akira cua?
Nha^.t kho^ng?
Huy
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Topic No. 8
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:43:54 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: La.i truye^.n ra^'t nga('n / Co^ em ho. cu?a ba'c Zu~ng
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310093734.20038N-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c, la.i dda(ng tie^'p ca'c truye^.n ra^'t nga('n trong
cuo^.c thi "Nhu+~ng truye^.n ra^'t nga('n" cu?a Ba'o The^' Gio+'i Mo+'i.
La^`n na`y co' to+'i hai truye^.n la^.n.
Tho^i dda(ng xong vie^'t admin message nu+~a la` to^i he^'t tho+`i gian
cho ho^m nay. Co`n ca'i vu. ba'c Minh Tie^'n o+? Du+'c vo+'i co^ em ho.
gi` ddo' cu?a ba'c Zu~ng la` chu+a xong dda^u nhe'; ho^m qua vu+`a co'
the^m tho^ng tin, thu+' tu+ na`y thi cu+? xong la` to^i se~ co' thu+ la.i
cho ba'c. Nay ba'c va` ba'c So+n cu+' dda'nh nhau tru+o+'c ddi xem ba'c
na`o ma.nh ho+n :-).
Ha?i.
------------
Tro ta('n
-------82B*
To^i xo`e die^m. Ngo.n lu+?a ddo? le` chie^'c lu+o+~i vo^ ta^m lie^'m
da^`n nhu+~ng do`ng chu+~ tha^n ye^u. To^i dda(m dda(m nhi`n nhu+~ng
bu+'c thu+ to^i dda~ gi`n giu+~ mo^.t ddo+`i: Tha^n ye^u... lo`ng
ddau... cha^n ddo^`i... ba.ch dda`n... Nam... hoa`ng ho^n... nho+'...
La(.ng le~, to^i go'i chu'ng, na('m tro ta`n ky? nie^.m ma` to^i
kho^ng no+~ vu+'t ha(?n, cho va`o gia^'y ba'o, cho va`o bao ni lo^ng,
dde^? trong ho^.p ddo^` trang su+'c cu~ ki~ giu+~ nhu+~ng ky? va^.t.
To^i cu~ng ba(~ng que^n ddi... Mu+o+`i na(m... Mu+o+`i la(m
na(m... to^i kho^ng ca^`m dde^'n ca'i ho^.p sa('t nho? xinh no+i dda'y
tu? a^'y.
Ho^m nay, do.n nha`, to^i bo^~ng tha^'y lo`ng mi`nh xao xuye^'n
la. ky`. To^i nho+' Nam, nho+' nhu+~ng ky? va^.t tha^n ye^u go+.i bao
ddie^`u qua' khu+'. To^i mo+? ho^.p. Va`... vo^ cu`ng su+?ng so^'t:
ta^'t ca?, tu+` ta^'m thie^'p mu+`ng sinh nha^.t, ba`i tho+ cu?a
tuo^?i ho.c tro`, ba ha.t de? be^n gie^'ng nu+o+'c Mi. Cha^u, chie^'c
gu+o+ng co' ga('n khung ba(`ng nhu+.a... dde^`u cha'y nham
nho+?... go'i gia^'y ba'o cha'y ha(?n. Tu'i ni lo^ng qua(n queo. O^i
tu+o+?ng dda~ ta`n, na`o ngo+` ti`nh ye^u va^~n cha'y a^m i? trong
lo`ng dda'm tro ta`n va` dda~ bu+`ng sa'ng he^'t mi`nh mo^.t la^`n
cuo^'i. Ca'i ddo^'m lu+?a a^'y ddu+o+.c ta.o ne^n bo+?i ma?nh gia^'y
cho^~ na`o trong thu+, thuo^.c ve^` chu+~ na`o trong thu+. Tha^n ye^u
o+i!
To^i run run na^ng chie^'c ho^.p. To^i ddi ra ca'nh ddo^`ng ba(`ng
bu+o+'c cha^n cu?a ngu+o+`i mang va^.t te^' tha^`n ra mie^'u... To^i
tung na('m tro, tro bay, bay to+i ta?, gio' cuo^'n chu'ng ddi dde^'n
dda^u, nhu+~ng ma?nh tro ta`n be' xi'u xi'u...
Ye^u
..............82D*
"Dde^` ngoa.i kho'a vo?n ve.n mo^.t chu+~: "Ye^u"; gio+'i ha.n trong
mo^.t nga`n chu+~. Dda~ co' nhu+~ng ca^u ho?i dda.i loa.i: "Thu+a
tha^`y, vie^'t ca'i gi`, nghi. lua^.n ye^u, ddi.nh nghi~a ye^u hay
quan ddie^?m rie^ng trong ye^u?", hoa(.c: "Ke^? chuye^.n ye^u cu?a
mi`nh tho^i co' ddu+o+.c kho^ng tha^`y?". Tha^`y cu+o+`i: "Sao cu~ng
ddu+o+.c, mie^~n la` xoay quanh ye^u, nho+' la` mo^.t nga`n chu+~!".
To^i kho^ng ddu+o+.c kho?e, to^i cu'm tu+` dde^m qua. Dde^m qua,
chu'ng to^i ddi trong mu+a, u+o+'t le.p nhe.p, to^i nga? dda^`u le^n vai
Nha~, nhi`n ca'c cu+?a hie^.u ta('t dde`n da^`n ma` nghi~: "Chuye^.n
na`y se~ ke'o da`i dde^'n khi na`o?". To^i ho?i Nha~ ca^u na`y, Nha~
dda~ nha(n mu~i tre^u: "Mo+i!". To^i la.i ho?i: "Em co' bie^'t em
ddang la`m gi` kho^ng?". Nha~ cu~ng ho?i la.i: "Chi. co' bie^'t
chi. ddang la`m gi` kho^ng?". To^i cu+o+`i: "Bie^'t, chi. lo mo^.t
nga`y em ti?nh ra!". Mo^.t con me`o tu+` be^n ddu+o+`ng tu+. nhie^n
cha.y vu.t qua, ca'i xe chu'ng to^i loa.ng choa.ng va` ca^u chuye^.n
do+? dang o+? ddo'.
Chu'ng to^i dda~ la`m gi` nhi?? Dda~ nuo^i pha?i dde^'n ba con heo
dda^'t, nga`y mua go.i la` sinh nha^.t, nga`y dda^.p go.i la` nga`y
gio^~, hai nga`y vui ngang nhau. Ca? nha` to^i nhi`n con heo, bi~u
mo^i: "Di. ho+.m!", to^i kho^ng no'i gi`; la.i ho?i: "Chu'ng ma`y
va^~n xu+ng chi., em?". To^i ba?o: "To^i te^n chi., no' te^n em, va^.y
tho^i!". Tie^`n heo, to^i giao Nha~ giu+~, hai ddu+'a chi tie^u nhu+
mo^.t gia ddi`nh nho?, a(n mo^.t qua? o^?i cu~ng ba`n nhau, to^i ho+i
buo^`n cu+o+`i, ta^'t ca? nhu+~ng tro` vui na`y chi? ca^`n ddi ke`m
mo^.t to+` dda(ng ky' ke^'t ho^n la` kho' chi.u ha(?n!
...Ca'i dde^` na`y tha^.t kho' vie^'t, kho' vi` to^i kho^ng hie^?u
ca'i ma` mi`nh ddang no'i co' pha?i la` ye^u kho^ng, hay chi? la`
mo^.t tro` la. cho ca? hai ngu+o+`i, mo^.t tha(`ng be' mo+'i la^`n
dda^`u "va`o ddo+`i" va` cho to^i dda~ qua' a^m u, gio+` lo'a ma('t
bo+?i su+. trong sa'ng?
Sa'ng qua, chu'ng to^i ba('c thang le^n ma'i to^n ha'i vu' su+~a. Vu'
su+~a vu' bo`, ti'm dden, be' ti' teo va` dda^`y ho^.t. Na('ng le^n
va` ma'i to^n a^'m da^`n, Nha~ na('m ba`n cha^n to^i: "No'ng ma^'t
ro^`i!". Me. to^i ngo^`i du+o+'i sa^n ru+?a ba't ho?i to: "Tre^n a^'y
nhie^`u qua? chi'n kho^ng?". Nha~ cu+o+`i: "Da., ra^'t nhie^`u qua?
ngo.t!". Nha~ ho?i nho?: "Chu+`ng na`o tu.i mi`nh mo+'i ddu+o+.c ngang
nhie^n?". To^i tha^'y me^.t mo?i: "Chu+`ng na`o tu.i mi`nh o+?
rie^ng!... Ma` chuye^.n a^'y kho^ng bao gio+` co' dda^u!". Nha~ bo'p
ma.nh cha^n to^i ro^`i buo^ng ra: "Chi. lu'c na`o cu~ng no'i
the^'!". Ro^`i chu'ng to^i ddi ha'i qua?, vu+`a ha'i vu+`a a(n, tu+`
tre^n cao, Nha~ la^'y vo?, nha('m ga` ddi quanh qua^?n du+o+'i sa^n
ma` ne'm. To^i muo^'n kho'c, no' la.i que^n ma^'t ro^`i, no' la.i
ddang vui ro^`i, no' ddang nheo ma('t nha('m ga`, no' va^~n la` tre?
con, ca'i gi` dde^'n va` ddi cu~ng nhanh, vo+'i no'.
To^i pha?i ke^? la.i chu'ng to^i quen nhau o+? dda^u. O+? lo+'p ho.c
the^m Anh va(n tua^`n ba buo^?i vo+'i mo^.t buo^?i cu'p ddie^.n
ddu+o+.c thay ba(`ng dde`n da^`u. Con ga'i tha^`y, mo?ng manh va` tinh
khie^'t nhu+ ba(`ng su+', la^`n lu+o+.t mang ra nhu+~ng ca'i dde`n to,
no'ng ngo^'t... Nhu+~ng chi tie^'t na`y, chu'ng to^i va^~n nha('c la.i
luo^n, Nha~ the^m: "Ho^`i a^'y ngo^`i ca.nh cha'n che^'t, chi. cha(?ng
bao gio+` the`m la`m ba`i ta^.p!". To^i cu+o+`i: "Thi` em cu~ng the^',
co' nho+` ddu+o+.c gi` dda^u!". Nha~ va^~n nha('c la^`n dda^`u dde^'n
nha` to^i, me. to^i ra no'i: "Cha'u va`o kho^ng? Chi. Mai Hoa ddi
cho+i ro^`i!". Nha~ va`o, mu+o+.n ca'i cho^?i ra que't vu+o+`n cho+`
ddo+.i. Ho^m a^'y to^i ddi dda^u? To^i dde^'n nha` Tha?o, Tha?o no'i:
"Ddu+`ng nga.i, ke^? ra ddi cho ddo+~ kho^?, vi` sao chu'ng ma`y chia
tay?". To^i cu~ng kho^ng bie^'t vi` sao anh ta bo? ddi, to^i no'i:
"Tao kho^ng bie^'t!". Tha?o khuye^n: "Ma`y u ua^'t qua', gia' ma`y
kho'c, ma`y se~ nhe. ho+n!". To^i ba?o: "Tao kho^ng kho'c vu vo+
ddu+o+.c, pha?i co' ly' do, ma` tao no'i ro^`i, tao kho^ng bie^'t ly'
do!". "Ho^m a^'y - sau na`y Nha~ ke^? la.i - sao vu+o+`n nha`
chi. dda^`y la' mu.c va` to^? kie^'n, em vu+`a que't vu+`a nghi~:
Tho^i, mi`nh ngu ro^`i!". Ra va^.y, nga`y ho^m a^'y, ti`nh ye^u dda~
mon men dde^'n nha` to^i ma` to^i kho^ng bie^'t, mo^.t na(m sau to^i
va^~n kho^ng bie^'t.
...To^i dde^'m thu+?, khoa?ng ba?y tra(m chu+~ ro^`i, pha?i chu+`ng
mu+.c la.i tho^i, dde^? pha^`n cho ca'i ke^'t. Ho^m qua me. to^i cu~ng
no'i: "Pha?i chu+`ng mu+.c la.i tho^i!". To^i ca~i: "Con kho^ng thi'ch
so^'ng cu+' pha?i lo dde^? pha^`n!". Ba to^i hie^`n la`nh ho+n: "Con
kho^ng nghi~ dde^'n con sao?". Nghi~ nhie^`u la('m cho+', kho^ng pha?i
chi? nghi~ dde^'n mi`nh to^i, to^i nghi~ dde^'n ba, me., dde^'n to^i,
dde^'n o^ng cho^`ng tu+o+ng lai cu?a to^i, dde^'n nhu+~ng ddu+'a be'
tu+o+ng lai cu?a to^i (hai ha.ng nha^n va^.t na`y co' the^? kho^ng bao
gio+` co'!) va` ro^`i kho^ng bie^'t la`m gi`, dda`nh ddo^? to^.i:
"Duye^n so^'!". Me. to^i dde^` nghi.: "Dde^? tao la^'y tu+? vi cho hai
ddu+'a!". Ma^'t hai buo^?i tru+a, to^i na(`m ca.nh ddo+.i lua^.n
tu+`ng sao nhu+ ddo.c ke^'t qua? so^? so^', to^i kho^ng tru'ng gia?i,
me. to^i to'm ta('t: "Ma`y hai ddo+`i cho^`ng, kho^ng tha^'y ddo+`i
na`o gio^'ng no'. No' ra^'t la(ng nha(ng, tha^.m chi' sa ddo.a!". To^i
ca~i: "Co' tha^'y gi` dda^u!". Me. to^i cu+o+`i: "Ddang no'i chuye^.n
tu+? vi, vo+'i la.i ddo+`i co`n da`i, ai ma` bie^'t ddu+o+.c!"
Kho^ng ai bie^'t ddu+o+.c tha^.t, the^' thi` lo xa la`m gi`. Dde^m
qua, co' co+n mu+a tra'i mu`a, Nha~ "quye^'t ddi.nh": "Ddu+o+.c nga`y
na`o hay nga`y ddo'!". Va^.y la`, cu+' tie^'p tu.c nuo^i heo dda^'t
vo+'i nhau ta.o ca?nh gia ddi`nh, ro^`i ddo+.i Nha~ lo+'n le^n
tu+. ddo^?i xu+ng ho^, ro^`i cu+' the^', cu+' the^'... Mo^.t nga`n
chu+~ he^'t ro^`i, cu~ng nhu+ ca^u chuye^.n cu~ng be^' ta('c ro^`i,
to^i no^.p ba`i. Cha^'m he^'t."
(*)Cho^~ da`nh ghi te^n ta'c gia? sau khi co^ng bo^' ke^'t qua? cuo^.c thi.
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Topic No. 9
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:47:15 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <9703101747.AA10866@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
>
> To^i ddo.c Pautovski la^u qu'a ro^`i gio+` kho^ng co`n nho+' ma^'y. la.i
> thi?nh thoa?ng hay la^~n lo^.n o^ng na`y vo+'i Boris Pasternak. Hi`nh nhu+
> Pasternak cu~ng hay vie^'t truye^.n nga('n (?). Co' truye^.n nga('n "Tuye^'t"
> nga`y xu+a ddo.c tha^'y cu~ng hay, va` man ma'c nhu+ ba'c Tie^'n ke^?, ma`
> ba^y gio+` kho^ng nho+' la` o^ng na`o trong hai o^ng vie^'t nu+~a.
"Tuye^'t" la` truye^.n cu?a Pautovxkii. "Con ta`u tra('ng" cu?a Aimatov.
Ta^.p truye^.n dda^`u tie^n cu?a Pautovxki ma` to^i ddu+o+.c ddo.c
la` ta^.p truye^.n "Chie^'c nha^~n ba(`ng the'p". Sau ddo' "Bo^ng
ho^`ng va`ng", "Bi`nh minh mu+a" ...
Solokhov la` mo^.t trong nhu+~ng nha` va(n ye^u thi'ch cu?a to^i\. Co'
the^? no'i to^i ddo.c ga^`n he^'t ta^'t ca? ca'c ta'c pha^?m cu?a
o^ng: So^ng Ddo^ng e^m dde^`m, Truye^.n so^ng DDo^ng, DDa^'t vo+~ hoang,
Ho. chie^'n dda^'u vi` To^? quo^'c\.
To^i tha^'y ne^`n va(n ho'a Nga ra^'t vi~ dda.i\. Tho+`i gian
na`o cu~ng co' nhu+~ng danh nha^n kie^.t xua^'t, ma(.c du` nu+o+'c Nga
luo^n luo^n la` nu+o+'c nghe`o so vo+'i phu+o+ng Ta^y tu+` xu+a dde^'n
nay\.
Truye^.n O.Herry to^i kho^ng thi'ch la('m\. Trong so^' ca'c nha` va(n My~
(truye^.n nga('n) thi` to^i thi'ch J. London ho+n ca?\.
Tie^'n.
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Topic No. 10
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:27:41 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310101405.20038T-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Tran Minh Tien wrote:
> Solokhov la` mo^.t trong nhu+~ng nha` va(n ye^u thi'ch cu?a to^i\. Co'
> the^? no'i to^i ddo.c ga^`n he^'t ta^'t ca? ca'c ta'c pha^?m cu?a
> o^ng: So^ng Ddo^ng e^m dde^`m, Truye^.n so^ng DDo^ng, DDa^'t vo+~ hoang,
> Ho. chie^'n dda^'u vi` To^? quo^'c\.
La.i ngu+'a mie^.ng pha?i nha?y va`o. Ba'c Tie^'n co' bie^'t gi` ve^` vu.
co' tha(`ng cha Nga to^' ca'o la` truye^.n "So^ng DDo^ng e^m dde^`m"
Solokhov a(n ca('p cu?a ha('n kho^ng? To^i nghe loa'ng thoa'ng vu. na`y
ma` kho^ng ro~ ve^` sau su+. the^? ra sao. Nghe xong ho+i nghi ngo+`
Solokhov nhu+ng sau ddo.c ca'c chuye^.n kha'c cu?a o^ng na`y tha^'y cu~ng
hay dda^'y chu+'. Cha('c cha(?ng co' le~ gi` ddi a(n ca('p va(n ddu+o+.c
nhie^`u the^'.
> To^i tha^'y ne^`n va(n ho'a Nga ra^'t vi~ dda.i\. Tho+`i gian
> na`o cu~ng co' nhu+~ng danh nha^n kie^.t xua^'t, ma(.c du` nu+o+'c Nga
> luo^n luo^n la` nu+o+'c nghe`o so vo+'i phu+o+ng Ta^y tu+` xu+a dde^'n
> nay\.
Hoa`n toa`n ddo^`ng y' vo+'i ba'c. Theo to^i thi` trong ca'c da^n to^.c vi~
dda.i tre^n the^' gio+'i ma^'y the^' ky? cuo^'i na`y co' the^? ke^? to+'i
Nga, My~, Trung Quo^'c (?). Ve^` va(n ho.c thi` Va(n ho.c Nga bao gio+` cu~ng
co' nhu+~ng ne't gi` ddo' ra^'t pho'ng khoa'ng, hu`ng vi~, thie^n nhie^n, con
ngu+o+`i man da.i, nhu+ng cu~ng ra^'t dda^.m ti'nh ngu+o+`i, co^.ng vo+'i
nhu+~ng ne't ddo^` so^. ve^` ca? kho^ng gian va` tho+`i gian. Ho^m na`o
ra?nh thi` mo+'i ngo^`i ta'n phe't the^m ve^` va(n Nga ddu+o+.c.
> Truye^.n O.Herry to^i kho^ng thi'ch la('m\. Trong so^' ca'c nha` va(n My~
> (truye^.n nga('n) thi` to^i thi'ch J. London ho+n ca?\.
J. London cu~ng hay nhu+ng to^i tha^'y ho+i bi. mo^.t chie^`u. Quanh ddi
qua^?n la.i la` ca?nh thie^n nhie^n va` cho', va` cuo^.c va^.t lo^.n
cu?a ngu+o+`i va` cho' vo+'i thie^n nhie^n. O. Henry thi` phong phu' ho+n.
Va? la.i O. Henry co' nhie^`u truye^.n ve^` ddi buo^n va` lu+`a dda?o.
Co' le~ ba'c tru+o+'c o+? DDo^ng A^u nhu+ng kho^ng ddi buo^n ne^n kho^ng
thi'ch loa.i truye^.n na`y :-).
Ha?i.
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Topic No. 11
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:31:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970310142325.21560B@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
I second you in the passion to Pautovski's novels. It is said that
Pautovski is too romatic and is not socialistic realist. However,
I found them "Vi. Nha^n Sinh" and very realistic. Ba` Chi. ho. ( I
guessed not only her) felt after I told few Pautovski's.
But TienZung's cousin mayhave different taste. Tastes varry during time and
successes cannot be replicated, but good ideas never die.
Cheers
Aiviet
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Topic No. 12
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:42:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Dam Son <son@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: VN news (Mar 9-10)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310113959.21031A-100000@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
Mar 10: Vietnam's biggest corruption scandal goes to appeal
Mar 10: Vietnam and US agree to restructure former Saigon-regime debt
Mar 10: Court jails traffickers of Vietnamese women to China
Mar 10: Bangladesh,Vietnam sign four accords
Mar 10: Vietnam drugs bust exposes seedy youth underworld
Mar 10: Gateway for mountain of contraband
Mar 10: UNHCR chief in HK to resolve boat-people issue
Mar 09: Vietnam and India sign trade accords, to forge defence ties
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [37]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Vietnam's biggest corruption scandal goes to appeal_
HANOI (AFP) - Defendants in Vietnam's biggest-ever corruption case
will appeal their sentences in a new hearing at the end of this month,
a court source said Monday.
Four people condemned to death for their role in the 40 million dollar
Tamexco affair and eleven others will have their cases reexamined, a
source from the Ho Chi Minh City supreme people's court said.
The appeal process is expected to last from March 24 to 31 and will be
held in the southern city.
In January, 20 people were found guilty for their roles in the case
involving losses of 40 million dollars at Tamexco, an import-export
company directly linked to the ruling Communist Party of Vietnam.
Three company directors and one senior official were sentenced to
death for embezzlement and accepting bribes. The 11 others appealing
are appealing prison sentences ranging from three years to life.
Among those receiving jail sentences were a former deputy director of
Vietcombank, the country's largest commercial bank, and the former
chairman of FirstVina Bank.
Phan Huy Phuoc, who alone was found guilty of misappropriating 27
million dollars, was among those appealing death sentences.
The others were Tran Quang Vinh and Le Minh Hai, directors of two
private companies in Ho Chi Minh City and Le Duc Canh, and a senior
notary officer from the southern city of Vung Tau.
___________________________________
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [38]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Vietnam and US agree to restructure former Saigon-regime
debt_
HANOI (AFP) - Vietnam and the United States have reached an agreement
outlining a repayment schedule of debt and interest incurred by the
former Saigon regime worth 145 million dollars, a source said Monday.
Vietnam has agreed in principle to repay 75 million in principal and
about 70 million dollars in interest charges over the next 20 years,
the source said.
The accord was reached after negotiations between US deputy assistant
secretary of state in charge of finance and international development
Barbara Griffith and the Vietnamese Ministry of Finance in talks from
March 4 to 7.
A joint statement said the two sides had initialled a bilateral
agreement on the implementation of the Paris Club accord signed in
1993, which governs Vietnam's repayment of debts.
The agreement is subject to review by both governments before it is
signed.
The statement did not give any details of the restructuring or a
timetable for when the accord would be signed.
___________________________________
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [39]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Court jails traffickers of Vietnamese women to China_
Hanoi (dpa) - A Vietnamese court has sentenced an ethnic Chinese woman
to 14 years in prison for masterminding a gang that sold women to male
buyers in China, a local newspaper reported Monday.
Two male accomplices were given prison terms of 11 years each by the
Lang Son Provincial Court on Saturday, the report said.
The three confessed that they had sold at least 20 Vietnamese women to
Chinese men during the past year, the Communist Party's newspaper Nhan
Dan (People) reported.
They received between 700 and 800 dollars for each woman, they
reported.
The three were arrested by border guards last September as they were
escorting a 25-year old woman across from the northern province.
Nguyen Thi Nga, 35, is originally from China's Guangxi province, while
her accomplices, Luu Van Tho, 36 and Trien Van Sinh, 28, were Kinh,
the main ethnic group in Vietnam.
Authorities say that as many as 10,000 Vietnamese women went to China
last year either voluntarily, seeking better employment or mates, or
by being deceived or coerced.
There is a sexual imbalance in China because of the deeply ingrained
preference for male heirs and the government's one-child policy which
has led to a high incidence of female infanticide.
___________________________________
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [40]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Bangladesh,Vietnam sign four accords _
DHAKA (AFP) - Bangladesh and Vietnam on Monday signed four accords to
boost bilateral ties and pledged to maintain peace and stability in
the region, officials said.
The agreements cover a joint economic commission, development of
cultural ties, exchange by the two national news agencies and between
business groups, a foreign office spokesman here said.
The agreement on Joint Commission for Economic, Cultural, Scientific
and Technological Cooperation was signed by Bangladesh Foreign
Minister Abdus Samad Azad and his visiting Vietnamese counterpart
Nguyen Manh Cam following official talks. The other three were signed
by government ministers and entrepreneurs.
Bangladesh Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina Wajed and her Vietnamese
counterpart Vo Van Kiet were also present.
The accords were signed after official talks between the two leaders
during which they agreed to boost trade and economic activities and
work "unitedly for peace, stability and economic progress in the
region," spokesman S.A. Samad told reporters.
"It was noted during the deliberations that both Vietnam and
Bangladesh have achieved their national independence and freedom
through waging bloody war against the colonial forces," he said.
Vo is scheduled to leave Dhaka later Monday for home ending a two-day
official visit, the first by any senior leader from the Southeast
Asian country to Bangladesh. He earlier visited India.
Vo headed a 39-member delegation, including ministers, officials and
businessmen. Bangladesh and Vietnam established diplomatic ties in
1973 and since then the volume of trade between the two has been
expanding.
Earlier Monday, he flew by a helicopter to nearby Savar district and
placed wreaths at the National Martyrs' Memorial, dedicated to those
who were killed during Bangladesh's 1971 independence war.
___________________________________
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [41]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Vietnam drugs bust exposes seedy youth underworld_
Hanoi (Reuter) -- Vietnam said on Monday police had arrested 96 young
people following raids on two heroin dens in Ho Chi Minh City, in what
was being billed as one of the country's biggest drugs busts.
State media reported how police, helped by residents, had staked out
two houses in the freewheeling former Saigon over a 24-hour period,
pouncing on teenagers and others aged below 25 as they arrived.
Up to six of those arrested were suspected dealers, while the rest
were schoolchildren and students.
Government officials say they are concerned about a rising tide of
drug abuse, mostly involving heroin and opium which is believed to
flow from China and Laos.
Much is said to originate in the Golden Triangle region which borders
northwest Indochina.
Police officials were reluctant to confirm details on Monday, but
state dailies said those arrested represented the tip of an iceberg in
Saigon's hazy youth underworld.
``According to current estimates, at least 1,000 Vietnamese students
have tried illicit psychedelic drugs. There are reports of
drug-dealers lacing cigarettes with opium and heroin, hoping to addict
yet another young person,'' the official Vietnam News said.
An international drugs expert warned last year that Vietnam's young
people are being targeted by dealers intent on establishing a new
market in one of the world's poorest countries.
He said high-grade heroin was being plied to poor students, often
immediately outside school and college gates in towns and villages
across northern Vietnam.
But Monday's reports indicated a problem of a different nature --
experimental use of narcotics and dependency among children of a
wealthy Saigon elite.
Police were said to have found a number of expensive motorbikes
outside the drugs dens. Among those arrested were several students
from a top Ho Chi Minh City school.
___________________________________
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [42]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Gateway for mountain of contraband _
Hanoi (SCMP) -- Stand at the Moc Bai border gate, linking Ho Chi Minh
City to Phnom Penh, and it is apparent why the area is fast becoming
Vietnam's smuggling capital.
There is no mountain range, river or forest to demarcate the border,
just dry rice paddy as flat as a tennis court for as far as the eye
can see.
If it was not for Cambodian flags flying above the occasional village
there would be nothing to tell the two countries apart.
Pitched battles between a fledgling anti-smuggling task force and
smugglers seeking to protect an increasingly hectic trade are common.
Of the fights with the criminals, who arm themselves with sticks,
bricks and stones, a senior anti-smuggling officer said: "We don't see
it as serious anymore. We are used to it."
So are the smugglers, who say they only risk fines - not jail - and
rarely encounter trouble.
"There are just too many of us," said one.
The officer said enforcement of the 240-kilometre border was virtually
impossible during the dry season as local farmers on both sides took
up the trade.
Cigarettes, Thai pornography, hard liquor and hashish are key
commodities for an increasingly sophisticated consumer market in Ho
Chi Minh City, Vietnam's growth centre.
Oil, precious stones and gold flow in the other direction, but
Vietnam's stiff tariff regime and tough cultural laws ensure the trade
is very much in Cambodia's favour.
Observers estimate as much as US$100,000 (HK$773,000) worth of gold
flows into Cambodia each day to fund the trade.
Other figures suggest just five per cent of all trade is official,
costing Vietnam millions in lost revenues.
___________________________________
Monday - Mar 10, 1997 [43]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] UNHCR chief in HK to resolve boat-people issue _
HONGKONG (AFP) -- The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees
(UNHCR) Sadako Ogata arrived in Hongkong yesterday in a high-profile
bid to try to resolve the issue of Vietnamese boat people crowded into
camps before the July handover.
After visiting the Pillar Point Refugee Camp, she told reporters that
conditions were "not bad".
The camp houses 1,751 refugees, including those waiting to leave for
Western countries. It is also home to 14 Vietnamese illegal
immigrants, whom Vietnam has refused to repatriate.
China has called on the Hongkong authorities to clear out all illegal
immigrants by June 30.
Using forced repatriation, in addition to a voluntary return programme
organised by the UNHCR, the Hongkong government has reduced the
boat-people population from more than 61,000 in October 1991, to 4,527
as of last Friday.
But the government's methods have come under attack from the New
York-based Human Rights Watch/Asia which released a report to coincide
with Mrs Ogata's visit. The report accused the Hongkong government and
the UN refugee agency of endangering the rights of the asylum-seekers
due to "pressure from China".
Secretary for Security Peter Lai said on Saturday that Hongkong could
not guarantee the boat-people issue would be resolved before the
handover because of the need of assistance and cooperation from
Vietnam.
Refugee lawyer Pam Baker said she would press the high commissioner on
the question of the 1,000 people she believes will be left stateless.
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Sunday - Mar 09, 1997 [44]... Back to headlines
_[INLINE] Vietnam and India sign trade accords, to forge defence ties _
NEW DELHI (AFP) - Vietnam and India signed accords to boost trade
Sunday as Hanoi called for New Delhi's help in defence production and
for the setting up of stock exchanges.
The accords including one to promote bilateral trade and protection
and promotion of investments, were signed in the presence of
Vietnamese Prime Minister Vo Van Kiet and his Indian counterpart H.D.
Deve Gowda.
Officials said the two sides also signed an agreement on cooperation
in the field of environment and a 10-million-dollar credit from India
to Vietnam to boost exports from the Southeast Asian nation to India.
"Vietnam also asked India to offer its expertise in the field of
defence production and in the setting up of stock exchanges in the
country," an Indian official said as Kiet left for Bangladesh on a
two-day visit.
He said in talks between Kiet and Deve Gowda, Vietnam also sought help
from India in the development of nuclear energy.
India has offered to help in the setting up of stock exchanges and
would soon send a team of experts to Vietnam, the official said,
adding that Hanoi also asked for help in offshore exploration for oil.
"India-Vietnam relations have touched new heights," the United News of
India announced as the two nations signed the accords, the first in
several years which aim at bolstering sagging bilateral trade.
Kiet, meanwhile, promised to back India's campaign for a seat in the
Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) and the Asia-Pacific
Economic Cooperation (APEC), an Indian spokesman said.
Kiet and Deve Gowda also agreed to intensify political and cultural
ties in talks during the Vietnamese leader's two-day official stay in
India.
Kiet, who also held talks with President Shankar Dayal Sharma, told
Vice President K.R. Narayanan: "It is the substance of cooperation
that counts and in this visit we endeavour to give new momentum to our
relations and nurture it with mutual trust and understanding."
Kiet, on his first visit to India, was accompanied by Minister of
Foreign Affairs Nguyen Van Cam, Minister of Trade Le Van Triet and
Pham Gia Khiem, minister of science, technology and the environment.
Despite long-standing relations between Vietnam and India, bilateral
trade had weakened with last year's figure hovering at 170 milllion
dollars.
India was one of the few nations to back Vietnam after its invasion of
Cambodia to oust the Khmer Rouge in 1978, which led to ostracism by
Hanoi's non-communist neighbours and a brief border war with China.
Vietnam established diplomatic ties with India in 1954 and with
Bangladesh in 1972.
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Topic No. 13
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:44:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: various or "Still fuzzy?"
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970310143417.21560C-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi Tienzung.
I am sure you are in panic with Ba` Chi. Ho.. So there are few errors in
logical conductions.:
A can be done without B and vice versa DOES NOT imply A and B are
completely independent.
Because nothing prevents the possibility that
A can be done with B and vice versa. I think you missed an ONLY word
somewhere.
Second, thread can be an object ( like in Java) but not always.
Actually they are not in UNIX implemented in C.
And few more...
In a well defined applications, a good Tao should be "Kha? Dda.o".
It would be suspecious that that Dao is not smooth and not relevant if
you have trouble in saying that in short.( Long talks can cover
not-smooth parts ). That is why I like applets and short applications and
objects and simple models.
Cheers
Aiviet
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Topic No. 14
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 14:51:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970310144920.21560E-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Dear Anh Quoc Lan,
The Happy Prince is by Oscar Wilder not by O' Henry.
I like "Dda^t me. " by Aimatov. better than Con ta`u tra('ng.
Cheers
Aiviet
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Topic No. 15
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:03:52 +0100 (MET)
From: Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
To: Toan <toan@usa.net>
Cc: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Questions on Deng/VietNam-Cambodge/(F)SU-Afganistan
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970304114432.4887A-100000@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
Dear anh Toa`n, anh Huy and the Admin,
Thank you very much for your reply and remarks.
(I'm sorry for this delayed reply)
The problem I touched is really complicated and politically
sensitive. It was maybe more sensible to not highlight it on this list.
Let me now reply to everyone of you separately.
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Dear anh Toa`n,
I understand your emotions. My brother has served as "chien si nghia vu
quoc te" from 1978 till 1983. So I knew a little bit about the terrible
things of that war.
You suggest to "keep this on private channels". Let's do that!
I would like to explain, for example, what I mean with "sa la^`y". If I
succeed in arranging time, I'll send you a mail next week.
Thank you for your reply!
PS. I glad you and me are not banned from this list yet :-)
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Dear anh Huy,
Thanks for rephrasing my questions and for your valuable remarks on that
topic.
I think you're right.
Respecting your statement that your reply was your "only" one on that
topic on VNSA, I'm not going to discuss it further here. I will be,
however, very pleased to correspond personally with you, if you like it too.
Hope to see your contribution more often on this list.
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Dear Admin,
Thanks to you for your very softly expressed reminder.
(My first reaction when I saw a message from the Admin, was "Oh no!
Please don't ban me!!!)
I agree we have to be careful touching such kind of political subjects.
Regarding the term "quan thay". I did realise it could be an
objectionable one. Therefore I put that term between a double quote. Just
as a quotation of term, that is often used in such criticising context.
Anyway, I fully understand the problem and potential troubles the Admin
can get fron that kind of "terminology". Again, my apology for that!
Buu-Long
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