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VNSA-L digest 256
VNSA-L Digest 256
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a (3/3)
by Ho Tu Bao <bao@jaist.ac.jp>
2) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
3) Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
4) Sa'ch cu~, sa'ch mo+'i, sa'ch la^.u
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
5) Re: On again, off again...
by Yurong@oes.itri.org.tw
6) RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
by Wayne <MNPHUNG@ntu.edu.sg>
7) RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
8) Re: Tu Vi and Tu+o+'ng Tam Ba.ch -Da`n
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
9) Re: Da.o kha? da.o
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
10) Tie^'ng Vie^.t: ddo.c va` tha^u
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
11) Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
12) Re: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
13) Re: Da.o kha? da.o
by Phung Phuong Nam <ppn@iist.unu.edu>
14) Re: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
by Paul Pham <pham@xmission.com>
15) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
16) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
17) Re: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
by My Huyen Nguyen <M.H.Nguyen-iq1b7756@lmu.ac.uk>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 97 11:24:26 JST
From: Ho Tu Bao <bao@jaist.ac.jp>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a (3/3)
Message-ID: <9703110224.AA03941@is37e0s20.jaist.ac.jp>
SO^' PHA^.N CU?A NHU+~NG SO^' PHA^.N
... Hi`nh nhu+ to^i na(`m mo+, mo^.t gia^'c mo+ tha^`n tie^n: HA.N
HA'N VA` CO+N MU+A ddang die^~n o+? Vie^.t Nam!
Ddo+.t lu+u die^~n trong mo+ na`y, le~ ra dda~ tro+? tha`nh hie^.n
thu+.c tu+` tha'ng Tu+ vu+`a ro^`i. No+i die^~n dda~ sa('p xe^'p:
Tha`nh pho^' Ho^` Chi' Minh - Ha` No^.i - Tha'i Bi`nh. Ba'o chi' dda~
loan tin. Chu+o+ng tri`nh va` gia^'y mo+`i dda~ in. Die^~n vie^n dda~
sa(~n sa`ng le^n sa^n kha^'u ... Bo^~ng du+`ng la.i!
Du+`ng la.i vi` kho^ng ddu? tie^`n to^? chu+'c bie^?u die^~n. Theo
ti'nh toa'n cu?a Ddoa`n, kinh phi' co`n thie^'u khoa?ng *ba tra(m
trie^.u dddo^`ng Vie^.t Nam* (chi tie^u chu? ye^'u va`o ve' ta`u bay -
thue^ nha` ha't - thie^'t bi. sa^n kha^'u - a(n o+?, cho nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i trong nu+o+'c, va` mo^.t pha^`n cho 5 chuye^n gia sa^n kha^'u
tu+` Pha'p sang). Mo^.t nga^n khoa?n tu+o+ng ddu+o+ng gia' mo^.t xe du
li.ch Mazda la('p ra'p o+? trong nu+o+'c - hoa(.c tu+o+ng ddu+o+ng
nhu+~ng bu+~a tie^.c na`o ddo'.
Du` dda~ co' ho+n ba chu.c ba`i ba'o ta vie^'t ve^` vo+? mu'a na`y va`
ta'c gia? cu?a no', song, pha^`n nhie^`u trong so^' ddo' ddu+o+.c
vie^'t du+.a theo lo+`i ke^? hoa(.c theo ba'o chi' nu+o+'c
ngoa`i. Mo^.t so^' i't thu+.c su+. ddu+o+.c vie^'t ba(`ng tru+.c ca?m
cu?a ta'c gi?a qua xem buo^?i bie^?u die^~n ba'o ca'o duy nha^'t
(2.5.1995) tru+o+'c khi Ddoa`n ra nu+o+'c ngoa`i la^`n dda^`u.
Dda^`u tha'ng 5 na(m nay. co' the^m hai buo^?i bie^?u die^~n - mo^.t
ba'o ca'o la~nh dda.o Bo^. va(n ho'a - tho^ng tin, mo^.t ba'o ca'o
chi'nh quye^`n ti?nh Tha'i Bi`nh. Co^ng chu'ng ye^u nghe^. thua^.t
va^~n chi? "nghe no'i" ma` chu+a "nhi`n tha^'y" mo^.t vo+~ die^~n
tha^.t dda'ng nga('m va` nghi~.
Tru+o+'c ho^m ro+`i Ha` No^.i, ti`nh co+` to^i ga(.p ma^'y ngu+o+`i
ba.n va(n chu+o+ng no^?i tie^'ng, no+i qua'n nha^.u bo+` he`. Mo^.t
o^ng cha^n tha`nh "cu+a" vo+'i to^i ly ru+o+.u Ta^y Mo^n Kha'nh: "Ddi
vo+'i ca'c em che`o, la`m mu+a su+o+'ng nhe'. Toa`n tho^n nu+~ ma(ng
non, tha ho^` ma` quo+` qua.ng ..." Thi` ra, o^ng la^`m tu+o+?ng HA.N
HA'N VA` CO+N MU+A la` vo+? mo+'i cu?a Ddoa`n che`o Tha'i Bi`nh ddang
tre? hoa'.
Tie^'c qua' - mo^.t tha`nh tu+.u to lo+'n cu?a sa^n kha^'u nu+o+'c
nha`, da^n Ta^y bie^'t, da^n ta thi` ... chu+a bie^'t.
Nguo^`n ta`i tro+. giao lu+u va(n hoa' quo^'c te^' dda~, ddang, va`
co`n tie^'p to^'n ke'm nhu+~ng chi phi' kho^ng nho? dde^? ddu+a HA.N
HA'N VA` CO+N MU+A qua ca'c cha^u lu.c va` qua ha`ng chu.c quo^'c gia
(rie^ng 1996: Pha'p, My~, Na Uy, Ddan Ma.ch, Anh, Thu.y Ddie^?n, Ha`
Lan, Thuy. Si~, A'o). Hy vo.ng da^n ta, nha` nu+o+'c ta u+u a'i lo cho
HA.N HA'N VA` CO+N MU+A - mo^.t ddu+'a con nghe^. thua^.t cu?a da^n
to^.c mi`nh, thoa?i ma'i ha`nh hu+o+ng tre^n dda^'t nu+o+'c mi`nh.
To^i ... hy vo.ng, va` hi`nh nhu+ ddang mo+ ...
&&&
... La.i cha^.p cho+`n tie^'ng li.ch ki.ch, lu.c cu.c tu+` ca'c pho`ng
be^n, tu+` ngoa`i ha`nh lang kha'ch sa.n. Tie^'ng go~ cu+?a co^.c
co^.c. "Da^.y tho^i, ba'c Ddo^~ Tu`ng go.i, cho to^i xin ca'i cha?o
dde^? ddo'ng go'i".
Anh Minh Nhu+o+ng cu~ng ddang ddo'ng go'i. Ba't - ddi~a - no^`i -
be^'p - a^'m - che'n - chai - lo. - tra` - thuo^'c - ma('m - muo^'i -
ha`nh - to?i - tie^u - o+'t - ga.o - mie^'n - bo^.t canh - ruo^'c
bo^ng - ta(m xi?a ra(ng ... Ba` con dde^`u ddang ddo'ng go'i, he^.t
ca'i ho^`i ddi da^n co^ng. "Kho^ng a(n ddu+o+.c co+m Ta^y, pha?i na^'u
co+m ta tho^i". Va` tie^'t kie^.m nu+~a chu+'!
Ddoa`n ddi du+. lie^n hoan nghe^. thua^.t, kho^ng kinh doanh. Va`
kho^ng the^? kinh doanh. Rie^ng ve' bay khu+' ho^`i Ha` No^.i - Paris -
Ha` No^.i 35 000 USD. Tie^`n kha'ch sa.n ... Tie^`n a(n ... Tie^`n
qua?ng ca'o ... Tie^`n to^? chu+'c bie^?u die^~n ... Tie^`n ba'n ve'
(trung bi`nh 10 USD/ve') chi? ddu? chi phi' cho chi'nh buo^?i bie^?u
die^~n: thue^ nha` ha't, thie^'t bi. ky~ thua^.t, trang tri' sa^n
kha^'u, thu` lao ba?o ve^. va` ta.p di.ch ... Ban to^? chu+'c lie^n
hoan bao tha^`u toa`n bo^., nho+` va`o nguo^`n ta`i tro+. ma` ho. ti`m
ddu+o+.c. Ddoa`n chi? dde^'n, o+?, die^~n, ro^`i ddi, nha^.n thu` lao
tu+o+.ng tru+ng mo^.t xua^'t die^~n. Dda^u cu~ng va^.y. Va^.y ma`,
nhie^`u ngu+o+`i o+? que^ la^`m tu+o+?ng ba` con ddi "ho^'t ba.c". Ddi
la`m va(n ho'a, va^.y tho^i\.
"Na(m ngoa'i o+? Ddu+'c, ba` Ru+o+.c ke^?, ngu+o+`i ta kho^ng pha't
tie^`n a(n. Bu+~a a(n ho. do.n sa(~n, to nhu+ tie^.c o+? nha`. Nhu+ng
kho^ng ai a(n ddu+o+.c, toa`n bo+ su+~a, pho' ma't, vo+'i ca'i mu`i
gi` ghe^ la('m. O+? Bi?, chu'ng to^i pha?i tu+. na^'u a(n. Ngu+o+`i ta
ddi cho+., cho+? ve^` ca'c thu+' mi`nh ca^`n, dde^? mi`nh na^'u. Ve^`
Pha'p, chu'ng to^i ddu+o+.c pha't tie^`n, tu+. ddi cho+., tu+. na^'u,
ngon ho+n, la.i dde^? da`nh ddu+o+.c ti' qua` cho o^ng cha'u va` ca'c
cha'u ...".
Gia' Paris, mo^.t ba't pho+?: 40 F (qui ra 8 USD). Mo^.t o^? ba'nh mi`
ke.p thi.t: 20 F (4 USD). Mo^.t ddi~a co+m Vie^.t Nam co+~ bi`nh da^n
co' the^m mo^.t chai bia: 100 F (20 USD)/mo^~i xua^'t - qui ra tho'c
thi` mo^~i bu+~a ho^'c he^'t mo^.t ta.\. Ha~i qua'. Tie^`n a(n cho
Ddoa`n ta.i Pha'p: 100 F/mo^.t ngu+o+`i/mo^.t nga`y - ne^'u a(n qua'n,
hai ddi~a co+m tho`m the`m, co^.ng mo^.t ly nu+o+'c ngo.t. Ne^'u
tu+. na^'u, no va` ngon, va` du+ chu't ddi?nh.
Gia vi. Vie^.t Nam, lo ddu? cho chuye^'n ddi. Ga.o nha` mang theo
ddu+o+.c ca`ng nhie^`u ca`ng to^'t, thie^'u dda^u mua ddo' - ga.o
quo^'c te^'. No^`i co+m ddie^.n, cha?o ddie^.n - Trung quo^'c. Be^'p
ddie^.n - Nga. Dde^'n bu+~a, pho`ng pho`ng na^'u a(n, ngu+o+`i
ngu+o+`i na^'u a(n. Ho^m Ddoa`n vu+`a to+'i, ca^`u giao chi'nh no^?
ta'ch, ca? kha'ch sa.n ma^'t ddie^.n. Ru't kinh nghie^.m, lua^n phie^n
ma` no^?i lu+?a\.
Dde^m nay, ai cu~ng thao thu+'c. "Dde^'n My~, quye^'t die^~n cho
tha^.t oanh lie^.t. Pha?i tha('ng lo+'n. Du` kho' kha(n the^' na`o,
nha^'t ddi.nh chi. em chu'ng to^i pha?i tha('ng lo+'n! ..." Du`
ra(`ng, va^~n canh ca'nh mo^.t no^~i lo, ma^'y ba` cu`ng ho?i to^i:
"O+? My~, ddie^.n tra(m mu+o+`i hay hai tra(m, ho+? ba'c?"
CA'NH CO` VU+O+.T DDA.I TA^Y DU+O+NG
Ca'nh co` da^n ca tu+` ddo^`ng que^ Tha'i Bi`nh dda~ nhie^`u la^`n bay
cao qua ba^`u tro+`i cha^u A', cha^u A^u - cu`ng vo+'i nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i tha^n cu?a no', nhu+~ng ba` Vin, ba` Ru+o+.c, ba` Riu, ba`
Tho+'p, ba` Tho+i, ...
Tre^n chuye^'n Boeing 747 cu?a Air France (Ha` No^.i - Paris, nga`y
15.5.96) to^i la(.ng nhi`n va` nghe ddu+o+.c, bao nhie^u la` tie^'ng
no'i kho^ng lo+`i dda^`y y' nghi~a, vo.ng tha^`m tu+` nhu+~ng ddo^.ng
ta'c tho^ng thu+o+`ng tu+o+?ng nhu+ vo^ nghi~a cu?a ca'c ba`: ddi la.i
thoa?i ma'i - su+? du.ng tha`nh tha.o da^y an toa`n - nga? va` du+.a
lu+ng ghe^' - mo+? va` ga^.p ba`n a(n - tu+. ti`m cho.n nu+o+'c uo^'ng
- ra va`o toa-le't tu+. nhie^n.
Mo+'i ho^m na`o, ca'c ba` ddi ta^.p mu'a nhu+ ddi lo^.i ruo^ng. Mu+a
da^`m. Re't. No'n a'o le te\. Qua^`n xa('n cao. Ba`n cha^n tra^`n
nga^.p bu`n. Mo^.t chu' choai thi. tra^'n Quy`nh Phu. nha(n nho+?
die^~u co+.t: "Ba` la~o sa('p ddi Ta^y o+i, ho.c ddu+o+.c tie^'ng Ta^y
na`o chu+a?". Mo^.t ba` ddo^'p la.i lie^`n: "Ba` ma`y vu+`a ho.c
ddu+o+.c tie^'ng toa-le't ..."
No'i cho nghie^m tu'c, ca'i chu+~ Ta^y ddo' ca'c ba` ho.c ddu+o+.c o+?
co^ gia'o Thuy?. Da.y mu'a dda~ dda`nh, co^ co`n da.y ca? ca'ch ddi
ddu+'ng tre^n ddu+o+`ng pho^', ca'ch su+? du.ng nha` ve^. sinh, vo`i
nu+o+'c no'ng la.nh. ca'ch a(n ma(.c dde.p ho+.p vo+'i lu+'a
tuo^?i. Qua^`n a'o, gia`y de'p, tu'i xa'ch du li.ch ... cu~ng do co^
mua cho, cho.n ma`u, cho.n co+~ ho+.p vo+'i tu+`ng ngu+o+`i. Ca'ch
sinh hoa.t tre^n ta`u bay, cu~ng co^ gia'o Thuy? da.y, ba^y gio+` thi`
ca'c ba` thuo^.c ro^`i, quen ro^`i.
Chi? co' mo^.t thu+' ga(.p hoa`i tre^n ta`u bay ma` kho^ng the^? na`o
quen: co+m Ta^y! Thi.t gi` nha.t the^'ch. Ba'nh gi` dai ngoa'ch. Bo+
ho^i. Pho'-ma't chi?nh chi?nh. Vo+'i mu`i gi` ghe^ ghe^ ... Ca'c ba`
ne^'m qua ro^`i bo?, ro^`i ddo^`ng loa.t la^'y tu+` trong tay na?i ra,
nhu+~ng thu+' la`m cho to^i tro^' ma('t: co+m na('m, muo^'i vu+`ng,
tru+'ng luo^.c - thu+'c a(n ddu+o+`ng quen thuo^.c bao ddo+`i nay cu?a
ngu+o+`i ddi xa. "Mo+`i ba'c xo+i qua` nha` nha` que^ a.". Tro+`i o+i,
to^i hau ha'u mong mo^.t lo+`i mo+`i nhu+ the^'. Do^.t ngo^.t qua`
ta(.ng cu?a Thu+o+.ng dde^', mie^'ng co+m muo^'i vu+`ng nho+' ddo+`i,
giu+~a tro+`i - ca'ch ma(.t dda^'t mu+o+`i nga`n me't va` ddang xe.t
qua A^'n Ddo^. Du+o+ng 850 km/gio+`.
To^i chu+a du+'t co+n nga^?n ngo+ tha? ho^`n va`o tu+' tho+ co+m
na('m, ca'c ba` dda~ ddo^`ng loa.t co ca? hai ca(?ng le^n ghe^' tu+`
lu'c na`o, nga? lu+ng, nghe.o dda^`u, va` du du+o+ng va`i ddie^.u
kho` tra^`m bo^?ng.
La.i the^m mo^.t ghi nha^.n thu' vi.: ti'nh ta^.p the^? cu?a ca'c ba`
ra^'t cao. Ha^`u nhu+ cu`ng ti?nh gia^'c lu'c ta`u bay chua^?n
bi. dda'p xuo^'ng phi tru+o+`ng Charles de Gaule, ddo^`ng loa.t ca`i
da^y an toa`n, ba^'m nu't du+.ng ddu+'ng lu+ng ghe^'. Ta`u bay cha.y
cha^.m da^`n tre^n ddu+o+`ng ba(ng, mo^. ba` nha('c mo.i ba`: "Cho+`
cho ta`u bay *ho.* ro^`i ha~y co+?i da^y, nha'". Co^ gia'o Thuy? ho?i
to^i: "Em chu+a hie^?u, tie^'ng *ho.* nghi~a la` gi`?". "Ho. la`
tie^'ng ngu+o+`i ca`y ra le^.nh cho tra^u bo` du+`ng la.i - mo^.t
ddo^.ng tu+` chi? da`nh rie^ng cho tra^u bo`". Em cu+o+`i nga^'t,
tre^n ta`u bay la.i ho.c ddu+o+.c mo^.t tu+` mo+'i, mo^.t me^.nh
le^.nh cua? ngu+o+`i ddi ca`y.
&&&
Ta'm gio+` sa'ng 21 tha'ng 5, ba` con lu.c tu.c xuo^'ng ddu+o+`ng
cho+` xe dddi sa^n bay Orly Sud. Chuye^'n ddi My~ dda^`u tie^n kho^ng
the^? kho^ng ho^`i ho^.p, lo a^u nhu+~ng tra('c tro+? ba^'t ngo+`.
Nghe no'i Ha?i quan My~ ra^'t kha('t khe. Nha.c cu. va` trang phu.c
bie^?u die^~n ddo'ng thu`ng, ho/.ba('t khai ra gia^'y tu+`ng thu+'
mo^.t, tu+`ng bu+'c ve~ truye^`n tha^`n, con dao, ca'i ki`m, ca^y
bu'a. La.i nghe no'i ho. kho^ng cho mang thu+'c a(n va`o My~. "Bo?
me., la.i co+m Ta^y a`?". Thu+.c pha^?m kho^, ai no+~ ca^'m". "Nhu+ng
co`n ruo^'c, nu+o+'c ma('m, ngu+?i tha^'y ho^i, ho. vu+'t
dda^'y". "Ma(.c ke^., lu'c ddo' ha~y vu+'t ..." DDu? ddie^`u ba`n ta'n
tha('c tho?m.
Tha('c tho?m nhu+ ho^m vu+`a ro^`i, ddi la`m visa nha^.p ca?nh va`o
My~. Ca? dDdoa`n dda~ ddu+o+.c nha('c nho+? ai co' ddo^` va^.t ba(`ng
kim loa.i ha~y dde^? la.i pho`ng. Va^.y ma` khi va`o cu+?a su+' qua'n
My~ ta.i Paris, tu+`ng ngu+o+`i mo^.t va^~n bi. gio+ tay cho "ma'y do`
mi`n" ra` xe't. "Trong ngu+o+`i chu'ng to^i chi? co' thi.t vo+'i xu+ong
tho^i. kho^ng co' sa('t vo+'i ddo^`ng dda^u". "O+? nha` mi`nh dda^u co'
va^.y, nhi? ..."
Gia^'y to+` xong ca? ro^`i, lu'c na`y la.i tha('c tho?m chuye^.n
bay. "Nghe no'i pha?i bay qua bie^?n gi` ro^.ng la('m ha?
ba'c?". Bie^?n dda.i Ta^y du+o+ng, ro^.ng nhu+ bie^?n Ddo^ng nha`
ta". "Bay bao nhie^u la^u ha? ba'c". "Chi'n mu+o+`i tie^'ng ddo^`ng ho^`
gi` ddo'". "No'i da.i, lie^.u co' khi na`o no' he^'t xa(ng ngoa`i
bie^?n kho^ng, ha? ba'c". "La`m gi` co' chuye^.n ddo'. Ma` cha(?ng may
co' lo+~ thi` cu. cu+' tu+. va^~y ca'nh con co` bay la? bay la ma` bay
tie^'p, so+. gi`". Cu+o+`i ...
&&&
Tro+`i Paris se la.nh. Ma(.t ddu+o+`ng u+o+n u+o+'t mu+a bu.i, gio+`
na`y co`n lu+a thu+a bo'ng ngu+o+`i. To^i run run ddu+'ng be^n he`
pho^' va('ng, ca?m he^'t no^~i co^ ddo+n ta'i te^ cha.y do.c xu+o+ng
so^'ng. Tie^'c thay, to^i kho^ng the^? ddi cu`ng Ddoa`n, dde^? chu+'ng
kie^'n nhu+~ng ba` me. anh hu`ng trong HA.N HA'N VA` CO+N MU+A tung
hoa`nh tre^n dda^'t My~. Thie^'t nghi~ "ca'c ve^. si~ truye^`n
tho^'ng" kho^ng qua^n-ha`m qua^n-hie^.u na`y ddang mang na(.ng tre^n
vai, a^m tha^`m, ca? xu+' ma.ng cu?a mo^.t ne^`n va(n ho'a da^n to^.c.
Mo^.t dda.o qua^n no^ng da^n chi'nh hie^.u ddi chinh phu.c ta^m ho^`n
ngu+o+`i tu+' xu+', va^~n li?nh ki?nh ha`nh trang nhu+~ng no^`i,
cha?o. ga.o, muo^'i, lu+o+ng kho^ ... nhu+ li'nh tra^.n na(m na`o ddi
chie^'n di.ch. To^i tha^`m gu+?i theo ho. lo+`i ca^`u chu'c chie^'n
tha('ng.
La(.g im nu+o+'c ma('t hai ha`ng ...
Nguye^~n Duy
Rue du Roi de Sicile, Paris, tha'ng 5.1996
------------------------------
Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 18:29:53 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310172610.20350P-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
La.i gia?i lao 5 phu't, ngo^`i ddo.c ba`i ma'y ti'nh hoa ca? ma('t.
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Viet Hai NGUYEN wrote:
> To^i cu~ng thuo.c loai mo.t truye^n va` cu~ng me^ truyen cu?a Nga
> kinh khu?ng. Ddo.c dden mu+'c que^n ca? ddi a^'y, thau ddem suot sang
> nhu nghien truyen chu+o+?ng va^.y.
Cha`o ba'c cu`ng te^n, te' ra nhu+~ng ba'c te^n Ha?i la` dde^`u dda~ co'
mo^.t tho+`i ddo.c va(n Nga hay sao? To^i xu+a cu~ng hay ddo.c truye^.n Nga
la('m. Theo to^i thi` mo^.t pha^`n anh em ho^`i ddo' me^ cu~ng la` vi` ca'c
loa.i sa'ch co' gia' tri. ngoa`i truye^.n Nga va` VN ra ha^`u nhu+ cha(?ng
co`n nhu+~ng loa.i na`o kha'c. (Kho^ng hie^?u o+? HN thi` ra sao nhu+ng o+?
la`ng ma.c cho^~ bo.n to^i thi` tha^.t su+. la` the^', va`o thu+ vie^.n chi?
tha^'y toa`n sa'ch Nga va` sa'ch Vie^.t tho^i.) Ca? mo^.t the^' he^. lo+'n
le^n ho.c tie^'ng Nga, ddo.c sa'ch Nga, tha? ho^`n theo ca'c tha?o nguye^n
Nga ti't ta('p, ca'c ca'nh ru+`ng Tai ga ba.t nga`n, thi` gi` ma` kho^ng ddam
me^ va(n ho.c Nga, nha^'t la` va(n Nga cu~ng la` thuo^.c da.ng va(n hay.
(Que^n ma^'t, co`n co' nhie^`u truye^.n cu?a Pha'p, DDu+'c, nhu+ng toa`n
loa.i co^? ddie^?n.)
Ma~i ve^` sau nhu+~ng na(m 82-86 to^i mo+'i tha^'y co' nhie^`u sa'ch hay
tu+` My~ la tinh ddu+o+.c di.ch va` xua^'t ba?n. Ho^`i ddo' nho+' la`
ngoa`i "Tra(m na(m co^ ddo+n" co`n co' "Do^ Nha Ba'c-ba-ra" (Ba` Barbara)
ddo.c cu~ng ra^'t hay. Ro^`i co`n bsao nhie^u truye^.n hay kha'c cu?a My~
La Tinh ma` nay to^i que^n tie^.t.
Tro+? la.i truye^.n Nga, trong ca'c ba'c tho+`i co^? ddie^?n thi` to^i
thi'ch nha^'t ba'c Chekhov va` ca'c truye^.n nga('n cu?a ba'c. Co'
truye^.n gi` ve^` tha(`ng be' con ddu+o+.c gu+?i ddi cu`ng mo^.t ddoa`n
ddi buo^n da`i nga`y qua tha?o hoang le^n ti?nh ho.c to^i nay va^~n co`n
thi'ch. Co`n ca'i truye^.n gi` thi` tha`o trong gio' "Anh ye^u em" ma`
ba'c Ha?i (Thu.y si~) nha('c la` hi`nh nhu+ cu~ng o^ng na`y vie^'t. DDo.c
thi` bie^'t the^' tho^i chu+' tho+`i ca'c ba'c DHS dda^y nhie^`u ba'c
kie^'m ddu+o+.c mo^.t co^ cu~ng dda~ la` kho', la^'y dda^u ra ma` thu+.c
ta^.p thi` tha`o.
Truye^.n cu?a ca'c ba'c Tostoi, Gogol, Doptoievski (spell?) ddo.c cu~ng
ddu+o+.c nhu+ng nhie^`u khi depressing hoa(.c da`i qu'a, to^i chi.u
kho^ng no^?i. Ho^`i co`n be' chi? nho+' nhu+ la` ba'c Tostoi be' co'
vie^'t truye^.n "Pinocchio (?) ca^.u be' mu~i da`i" la` ddo.c tha^'y hay.
Ve^` sau mo+'i ho+n thi` ba'c Gorkij cu~ng co' va`i truye^.n ddo.c hay
dda^'y chu+', nhu+~ng truye^.n nga('n ve^` tho+`i ba'c so^'ng o+?
Moldavia, ro^`i anh hu`ng mo'c tim gi` ddo', ddo.c cu~ng ga^y a^'n
tu+o+.ng. Truye^.n da`i ke^? ve^` n~ lua^n la.c ho^`i nho? cu?a ba'c
ddo.c cu~ng hay.
Ve^` sau na`y thi` to^i nhu+ ma^'t kha? na(ng identify ca'c ba'c vie^'t
hay cu?a Nga. Nga`y xu+a thi` nho+' ba^y gio+` thi` que^n tie^.t ca?.
DDe^'n te^n truye^.n cu~ng que^n no^'t. Nay chi? co`n nho+' lo~m bo~m
va`i te^n truye^.n ho^`i ddo' dde^? co`n nostalgic: "Xa Ma.c Tu+ Khoa",
"Muo^'i Cu?a DDa^'t", "No+i DDa^y Bi`nh Minh Ye^n Ti~nh", "Chuye^.n Mo^.t
Ngu+o+`i Cha^n Chi'nh" :-), "The'p DDa~ To^i The^' DDa^'y" :-), ...vv va`
vv.
A` que^n co`n "Timua va` ddo^`ng ddo^.i" va` "So+.i chi? mo?ng manh"
nu+~a :-).
Ve^` sau dde^'n tho+`i ba'c Aimatov thi` nho+' nhie^`u ho+n. DDu'ng la` ba'c
na`y vie^'t "Ngu+o+`i tha^`y dda^`u tie^n" nhu+ anh Quo^'c La^n nho+', ca?m
o+n anh La^n. Theo to^i mo^.t pha^`n thie^n ha. nho+' o^ng na`y la` vi`
nhie^`u truye^.n cu?a o^ng ta lu'c ddo' toa`n ke^'t thu'c "gia^.t cu.c", ta.o
ra mo^.t ca?m gia'c "man ma'c". Truye^.n thi` em cho^`ng ye^u chi. da^u
kho^ng tha`nh, truye^.n thi` tha(`ng be' ddi che^'t chi`m theo ta`u tra('ng.
Toa`n nhu+~ng ke^'t thu'c kho^ng theo motive va(n Nga ma` da^n mi`nh ddo.c
lu'c ddo'. Vi` the^' ne^n nhie^`u ng` nho+'. (Ta^'t nhie^n la` va(n o^ng na`y
cu~ng hay.)
Trong ca'c truye^.n cu?a Aimatov thi` truye^.n ga^y a^'n tu+o+.ng nha^'t
cho to^i la` truye^.n gi` trong ta^.p "Con Ta`u Tra('ng" ke^? ve^` mo^.t
gia ddi`nh ddi ca^u bi. la.c trong su+o+ng mu`. Nu+o+'c he^'t, cuo^'i
cu`ng ca? o^ng, em cha, va` cha cu?a mo^.t ca^.u be' dda~ la^`n lu+o+.t
cho.n con dduo+`ng ra ddi dde^? cho ca^.u be' co`n la.i trong xuo^`ng co`n
nu+o+'c ma` uo^'ng, ma` so^'ng so't. (Hi`nh nhu+ truye^.n na`y te^n la`
"Con cho' khoang cha.y ven bo+` bie^?n"?.)
Co`n truye^.n Giamilia thi` cu~ng hay nhu+ng o+? dda^y to^i bie^'t
nhie^`u ba'c cu~ng co' n~ thie^n ti`nh su+? ke'm gi` giamilia, co' khi
co`n hay ho+n. :-)
> ma` phan nu+?a la truyen Nga, phan nua la truyen Vietnam (Tu "De me`n
> phieu luu ky", ... den "Ma^~n va` to^i", "Dau chan nguoi linh"... )
DDang no'i chuye^.n Ta^y sao ba'c la.i xo? chuye^.n Ta va`o la`m gi`?
Ba'c ddo.c To^ Hoa`i co' ddo.c "DDa?o Hoang" cu?a tay na`y vie^'t kho^ng?
"DDa?o Hoang" la` chuye^.n da`i du+.a tre^n truye^`n thuye^'t du+a ha^'u
cu?a An Tie^m. An Tie^m la^'y na`ng Hoa dde? ra con Ga'i va` tha(`ng cu
gi` to^i que^n ma^'t te^n. Truye^.n na`y ddo.c hay la('m, ma` to^i nga.c
nhie^n tha^'y ba^y gio+` kho^ng co' ba'n. Ho^`i co`n be', trong ca'c
truye^.n phi^u lu+u cu?a VN thi` quye^?n "DDa?o Hoang" va` "Ha`nh Tri`nh
tho+`i tho+ a^'u" cu?a Du+o+ng Thu Hu+o+ng la` to^i ca?m tha^'y thu' vi.
nha^'t.
"Ma^~n va` To^i" thi` hi`nh nhu+ ba'c na`o cu~ng dda~ ddo.c qua. "Na('ng
ddo^`ng ba(`ng" cu~ng va^.y. "Na('ng DDo^`ng Ba(`ng" cu~ng co' mo^.t
ti`nh ye^u ddu+'t qua~ng, dde^'n cuo^'i truye^.n khi em tho^? lo^.
vo+'i anh la` "Em ye^u anh la('m, chi? co' anh ma` tho^i" thi` em dda~
tru'ng dda.n sa('p che^'t ro^`i co`n dda^u. Ca'i tay Chu Lai ta'c gia?
quye^?n na`y ve^` sau dde? ra ra^'t nhie^`u truye^.n theo ca'i mo^ ti'p
"La(.ng le~ Sa Pa" na`y.
> gon). Nga`y xu+a chi? mo+ dduo.c sang Nga mot chuyen dde^? dd+o.c
> chung kien ta^n ma^'t ca'i su+. vi dda.i cu?a ca'i ddat nuo'c va` dan
> to^.c na`y (Giac mo+ toi gio va^n chu+a dduo.c thu.c hien, nhu+ng gio+`
> thi` to^i bo+'t muo^'n ddi Nga ro^`i. Ca'c ba'c o LX ve ke^? chuyen
> toan che^ nu+o+'c me. vi~ da.i la`m to^i ma^'t hu+'ng da^`n)
To^i va^~n me^ ddu+o+.c sang Nga so^'ng mo^.t va`i na(m dda^'y ba'c a.
To^i ra^'t muo^'n ddi xem cuo^.c so^'ng o+? ca'c tha?o nguye^n Nga, va`
o+? ru+`ng Tai Ga Nga ra sao. Co' mo^.t ca'i gi` ra^'t tha^`m la(.ng, man
da.i, hoang so+, va` me^nh mo^ng trong ta^m ho^`n Nga ma` kho^ng mo^.t
va(n minh Phu+o+ng Ta^y na`o ta^?y ru+?a ddu+o+.c. Pha?i cha(ng ddo' la`
mo^.t pha^`n bi. a?nh hu+o+?ng cu?a thie^n nhie^n Nga? To^i ra^'t muo^'n
ddi mo^.t tho+`i gian cho bie^'t.
> mi`nh tu+io+ng tu+o+.ng ra dde^? tu+. la`m kho^? mi`nh) Nhu+ng gio+`
> cu~ng pha?i buon ra^`u thu' nha^n la tri nho+' bi ga.m mo`n nhieu qua'
> mat ro^`i. Ba'c na`o co`n nho+' ddu+o+.c ddoa.n na`o hoa.c ti`nh
> tie^'t na`o hay trong mot truyen na`o ddo' thi` xin nha'c qua de cho
> anh em nham nhap la.i nhe'.
To^i co' truye^.n thi` tha^`m "Anh ye^u em" na`y, ra^'t nga('n. Co' ba'c
na`o xung phong che'p va`o kho^ng thi` to^i fax cho ba'c che'p va`o cho
anh em cu`ng ddo.c.
> BTW, no'i chuyen voi nhieu ba.n toi
> sau na`y, lu'c dda~ bo+'t mo+ mo^.ng ro^`i, dua nao cung nhat tri' che^
> Paven da.i, tha^m chi' ngu cu`ng ngu cu+.c nu+~a: mo+~ da den ta^.n
> mie^.ng, hai la^`n la^.n, la.i co`n nhe` ra. Ro~ dda.o ddu+'c gia?,
> tieu tu sa?n kho^ng pha?i ma` vo^ sa?n cu~ng khong ha(?n.
Ro~ la` Pavel da.i ro^`i. Ca'c cu. dda~ da.y "Ta ye^u nhau vi` sinh ly',
kho^ng cho nhau la` ddie^`u vo^ ly'". Tha(`ng cha Pavel na`y la`m the^'
la` vo^ ly' qu'a.
> (Chang hieu sao bay gio toi
> xem la.i film Nga ngay xua khong thay thi'ch nu+~a, thay qua' cham cha.p thi
> pha?i, tru+` Doctor Zhivago cu?a My~ du+.ng thi` neu thong tha? xem
> thay va^~n dduo.c)
Phim "Dr. Zhivago" cu?a My~ hay tuye^.t cu' me`o. Nha.c hay tuye^.t vo+`i.
Ca'i tha9`ng cha ng` Pha'p la`m ba?n nha.c na`y ke^? la` no' pha?i
ma^'t va`i tua^`n va` sa'ng ta'c dde^'n la^`n thu+' tu+ mo+'i ra ddu+o+.c
ba?n nha.c ddo'. Ca?nh tha?o nguye^n Nga dde.p hu`ng vi~. Hay nha^'t la`
cha(?ng co' ca?nh na`o quay o+? Nga. To^i nghe ba?o quay o+? Spain (?).
Ca'i tha(`ng cha ddo'ng Zhivago ve^` sau co+` ba.c, casino nhie^`u qu'a
no+. nhu+ chu'a cho^?m. Kho^ng hie^?u ba^y gio+` thi` ra sao.
> Ngoai ra neu ke dden tieu thuyet chac khong the bo qua duo.c truyen
> Pha'p. Khong hieu sao ma o day toi hoi nhieu ddu'a ba.n nga.c nhien
> thay chung chua ddo.c "Nhung nguoi khon kho" (les mise'rables?) bao
> gio+`. Truyen nay o VN co le~ thuo.c loai kinh ddie^?n den noi kho ai
> tho+`i toi thich do.c truyen ma` la.i chua do.c. (Nghe noi ddao Cao
> dda`i o mien nam tho+` Victor Hugo va` Jeane d' Arc ?) Cho to+'i gio+`,
> toi van cho rang da^n to.c Nga va` Phap la` hai dan to^.c vi~ dda.i
> nha^'t ve^` va(n ho.c
Ba'c Vie^.t Ha?i nha?y nhie^`u dde^` ta`i qu'a ba'c An Ha?i chi.u che^'t
kho^ng theo ddu+o+.c, nga`y mai co`n co' exam. Ho^m nay ba'c An Ha?i ma`
kho^ng ho.c thi` mai se~ bie^'n ra ba'c Tu+` Ha?i "che^'t ddu+'ng giu+~a
tra^.n tie^`n". Vi` va^.y xin kha^'t no'i chuye^.n va(n Pha'p vo+'i ba'c
to+'i ho^m sau va^.y.
Chu'c ba'c ngu? ngon.
Ha?i.
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Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:50:09 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
Message-ID: <199703110243.VAA02817@ns.kreative.net>
A`, maybe a motivation to learn it would be just That--how it was in the
Japanese mentality those days that killing was not necessarily
ideologically motivated!
Nor was it ever?
Should we ponder whether about ideology as motivation or as justification?
. . .hhhhhm
;-$
Toa`n
----------
> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> Date: Monday, 10 March 1997 3:10 PM
>
> I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
>
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Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:20:43 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Sa'ch cu~, sa'ch mo+'i, sa'ch la^.u
Message-ID: <199703110305.WAA03139@ns.kreative.net>
Tha^'y tin sa'ch cu~ sa'ch mo+'i la`m mi`nh nho+' ho^`i xu+a ddi mua sa'ch
la^.u o+? cho+. sa'ch Ha`m Nghi (ga^`n cho+. Sa`i Go`n) Ddi mua ddi ba'n
sa'ch lu'c a^'y la` ca? mo^.t nghe^. thua^.t. Mi`nh mua ma` kho^ng khe'o
thi` ma^'t he^'t tie^`n; co`n ngu+o+`i ba'n ma` kho^ng le. thi` bi. ba('t
ma` ma^'t he^'t sa'ch. Thu+o+`ng thi` hai be^n dda^`u ddu+o+`ng co' va`i
ddu+'a nho? ddu+o+.c cho tie^`n dde^? canh chu+`ng. Khi na`o tha^'y ca'c
chu' a'o xanh (CA) thi` ra hie^.u, va` ma.nh ai na^'y cha.y. Co' la^`n
mi`nh dang xem va`i cuo^'n sa'ch ca^'m thi` bi. ru+o+.t . Mi`nh thi` cu+'
ddu+'ng ddo+` ddo', ngu+o+`i ba'n thi` cho^.p la.i cuo^'n sa'ch ro^`i
tho^`n va`o ca'i ta^'m va?i to, va` ta^?u. Kho^ng bie^'t ba^y gio+` co`n
ma^'y ca?nh mua sa'ch nhu+ va^.y kho^ng ta?
Ne^'u ba^y gio+` muo^'n mua sa'ch la., sa'ch ...co' tha`nh ti'ch... dde^?
tho?a o'c to` mo` thi` la`m sao? A`, kho^ng pha?i co' y' pha.m lua^.t dda^u
nhe'. Dda~ ba'n cho+. dden thi` pha?i chi.u nguy. Dda~ mua cho+. dden thi`
cu~ng pha?i chi.u pha^`n hie^?m. Vie^.c lua^.t pha'p thi` co' ngu+o+`i ta
lo ro^`i.
Ca'c ba'c ke^? cho nghe vo+'i.
Toa`n
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Topic No. 5
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:24:26 +0800
From: Yurong@oes.itri.org.tw
To: ianb@sun670.telecom.tandem.com
Cc: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: On again, off again...
Message-ID: <48256457:0011C8A0.00@oesns4.oes.itri.org.tw>
Hi, ba'c Ian
Be^^n na`y Beer thi` thie^^'u gi`, ca? kho^^'i dda^^'y, tho^^i thi` beer Ta`u,
beer Me~o, bia DDu+'c, bia Singapore, beer Nha^^.t, beer tra('ng , beer
dden...Nhu+ng la.i thie^^'u Oyster. O+? be^^n no+', the`m thi` ra sie^^u thi.
mua thi` co' lie^^`n, be^^n ni the`m ma` kho^^ng co' (ra^^'t ma('c va` hie^^'m
co' di.p mua ddu+o+.c). Ru+'a mo+'i kho^^? chu+'\.
Nha('c dde^^'n chuye^^.n a(n, ru+'a thi` ma^^'y ba'c bie^^'t dda^^n Ta`u a(n
ca'i gi` kho^^ng?? -Ho. no'i ra(`ng "Ca'i gi` co' 4 cha^^n dde^^`u a(n ddu+o+.
c ra'o tro.i, ngoa.i tru+` ca'i ba`n"\. Mo+`i qu'y vi. qua Taiwan ddi a(n
...de^^' chie^^n (Cricket)\.
regards
From: ianb @ sun670.telecom.tandem.com
Date: 03/10/97 07:01:44 PM CST
Subject: On again, off again...
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Topic No. 6
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:12:49 +0800
From: Wayne <MNPHUNG@ntu.edu.sg>
To: "'vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu'" <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
Message-ID: <c=US%a=_%p=NTU%l=EXCHANGE1-970311041249Z-3811@exchange1.ntu.ac.sg>
Although I don't like to learn language of an aggresor like Japanese, I
like to purchase the Japanese products.... ;-)
Wayne
>----------
>From: Toan[SMTP:toan@usa.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 10:53AM
>To: Multiple recipients of list
>Subject: Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
>
>
>A`, maybe a motivation to learn it would be just That--how it was in the
>Japanese mentality those days that killing was not necessarily
>ideologically motivated!
>
>Nor was it ever?
>Should we ponder whether about ideology as motivation or as justification?
>
>. . .hhhhhm
>
>;-$
>
>Toa`n
>----------
>> From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
>> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
>> Date: Monday, 10 March 1997 3:10 PM
>>
>> I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
>> hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
>>
>
>
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Topic No. 7
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 05:50:47 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311052459.25928B-100000@marie.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ca'c ba'c Wayne, Aiviet and all,
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Wayne wrote:
> Although I don't like to learn language of an aggresor like Japanese, I
> like to purchase the Japanese products.... ;-)
>
I want to learn language of all agressors who used ever to involve in VN.
________________
Ba'c Aiviet wrote:
> >> I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> >> hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
> >>
Ba'c Vie^.t ddang uo^'ng Mao dda`i hay uo^'ng Cuo^'c lu?i ddo'? Em co`n
no+. ba'c ca'i ba`i xem tuo+'ng VN + viet sentiments, dda~ vie^'t xong
tu+` h3on tua^`n nay nhu+ng co`n cho+` cho+. ta la('ng ma^'y vu. tho+ va(n
xuo^'ng ro^`i mo+'i da'm tung ra. (Ba'c tha^'y em marketing ghe^ chu+a).
Cho dde^'n ga^`n dda^y, chuye^.n 2 trie^.u nguo+`i VN che^'t ddo'i do
Nha^.t na(m 45 va^~n chi? la` mo^.t u+'c thuye^'t, ma(.c du` chuye^.n
da^n ta che^'t ha`ng loa.t la` co' thu+.c. Co' 2 va^'n dde^` raised:
1. co' ddu'ng la` to+'i 2 trie^.u sinh linh kho^ng? va`
2. co' ddu'ng la` ta.i vi` Nha^.t kho^ng?.
Ca'ch dda^y khoa?ng 2 na(m, 1 nha` khoa ho.c Nha^.t pho^'i ho+.p vo+'i
mo^.t so^' nha` khoa ho.c VN dda~ la`m mo^.t co^ng tri`nh khoa hoc0 dda^`u
tie^n ve^` vu. na`y. Ke^'t qua? ke^'t lua^.n la` cu~ng co' khoa?ng 1
trie^.u nguo+`i VN che^'t trong tra^.n ddo'i A^'t Da^.u ddo', va` Nha^.t
ddo'ng mo^.t vai tro` kho^ng nho? Tuy nhie^n tin na`y chi? la` mo^.t hai
do`ng nga('n ngu?i em nha(.t nha.nh tre^n bao' VN, vie^'t kha' chung chung
ne^n kho^ng ro~ cu. the^? the^' na`o. Ma` em nho+' cu~ng kho^ng chi'nh
xa'c nu+~a.
Theo thuye^'t hie^.n ha`nh thi` da^n ta che^'t ddo'i vi` Nha^.t ba('t
nho^? lu'a tro^`ng dday. Nha^.t ra^'t ca^`n dday. Va^.y chuye^.n na`y co'
the^? cha(?ng lie^n quan gi` dde^'n ideology ma` chi? la` "technical".
Vie^.c Nha^.t dda~ tu+`ng xin lo^~i VN ve^` chuye^.n na`y hay chu+a thi`
em kho^ng ro~, chi? bie^'t sau San fransisco, Nha^.t dda~ dde^`n bu` cho
mie^`n Nam mo^.t so^' tie^`n.
Cheers,
La^m.
------------------------------
Topic No. 8
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 06:02:56 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Tu Vi and Tu+o+'ng Tam Ba.ch -Da`n
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311055621.25928C-100000@marie.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ca'c tha`y bo'i,
Tam ba.ch dda?n la` con ngu+oi cha.y nguo+.c le^n tre^n, dde^? lo^. ra
mo^.t va`nh tra('ng o+? 3 pha^`n o`n la.i (2 be^n va` duo+'i).
Mr Osira gi` ddo' cu?a Japan hay co^? vu~ a(n chay ga.o lu+'c vo+'i muo^'i
me` ra^'t tin thuye^'t na`y. O^ng ta kha(?ng ddi.nh dda~ ddoa'n truo+'c
viee^.c ca'c TT Kennedy va` Die^.m bi. che^'t vi` truo+'c ddo' ma(.t ca'c
o^ng na`y bi. 3 ba.ch dda?n. Mo^.t anh ba.n tui ra^'t tin o^ng na`y cu~ng
kha(?ng ddi.nh tro^ng tha^'y o^ng Rajiv Gandhi bi. 3 BD truo+'c khi bi.
mu+u sa't. Tui thi` kha(?ng ddi.nh tro^ng tha^'y Mr Sylvester Stallone bi.
3BD tu+` nhie^`u na(m qua, nhu+ng o^ng na`y va^~n so^'ng nha(n.
Cheers,
La^m.
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Nguyen Toan Quoc wrote:
> Although I haven't applied as a member of the TV list. Please allow me to
> ask to join and post a question.
> Sa'ch tu+o+'ng no'i mo^.t trong nhu+~ng tu+o+'ng ky. nha^'t la` Tam Ba.ch
> -Da`n. Ngu+o+`i co' tu+o+'ng na`y co' the^? che^'t ba^'t -da('c ky` tu+?
> va` thu+o+`ng la` che^'t -du+o+`ng che^'t cho+. Can anyone explain tu+o+'ng
> na`y la` tu+o+'ng gi` giu`m?
> Thanks.
>
>
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Topic No. 9
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 06:07:26 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Da.o kha? da.o
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311060348.25928D-100000@marie.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Zu~ng,
Tin cu?a ba'c ra^'t hay. Tui ho.c ba'c Le^'u tu+? co' ca^u sau dda^ dde^?
cho va`o tuye^?n ta^.p (tui se~ la`m tuye^?n ta^.p ca'c ca^u "ba^'t hu?"
cu?a ca'c Le^'u tu+? nha` ta):
=================================================
A kho^ng pha?i la` B, A la` kho^ng A
=================================================
Tha^n,
La^m
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Nguyen Tien Zung wrote:
> Cha`o ba'c VHLa^m va` ca'c ba'c
>
> Tui da.o na`y 'gia` ro^`i la^?m ca^?m' co' vie^'t lo^.n phi tha`nh vo^
> xin ca'c ba'c bo? qua' cho! Ca'm o+n ba'c La^m dda~ chi?nh la.i
> No'i theo nhu+ GS Du+o+ng Minh Du+'c
> thi` "dda^`u o'c to^i no' kho^ng la`m vie^.c nu+a~ ro^`i".
> Tha^'y ba'c ba`n chuye^.n "la('m thie^.n qua'" to^i nho+' vu+a` ddo.c
> ddu+o+.c mo^.t ba`i ba'o cu?a mo^.t ba` catholic na`o ddo' vie^'t
> Eva kho^ng pha?i ddu+o+.c na(.n ra tu+` ca'i xu+o+ng su+o+`n cu?a Adam,
> ca'c ba?n di.ch phu+o+ng Ta^y dde^`u sai ca?
> (vi` chu+~ nga`y xu+a kho^ng co' nguye^n a^m, ngu+o+`i di.ch mo^~i
> ngu+o+`i la('p nguye^n a^m mo^.t kie^?u, mo^~i kie^?u la.i ra nghia~
> kha'c nhau. Hay chu'a tha^'y con ngu+o+`i kho^ng ne^n hie^?u
> he^'t dda.o ne^n vie^'t kho' hie^?u?). Theo ba`i ba'o, thu+.c ra Eva la`
> "ma(.t kha'c" cua? Adam, chu'a cho Adam ngu? ro^`i cho Adam tha^'y ca'i
> the other side cu?a mi`nh. Ca'i the other side ddo' mo+'i la`m company
> thu+.c su+. ddu+o+.c cho Adam. Xem ra "du+'c chu'a lo+`i" muo^'n
> ngu+o+`i ta pha?i bie^'t ca'i ma(.t tra'i, ca'i be^n trong, ... cu?a
> mi`nh.
> Cu~ng ba`i ddo' vie^'t Adam kho^ng ne^n hie^?u la` dda`n o^ng, ma`
> hie^?u la` con ngu+o+`i no'i chung tru+o+'c chua', la` "the other side
> of God"
> cu~ng nhu+ Eva la` the other side of Adam. O^i kho' hie^?u qua' ca'c
> ba'c a., to^i bi. ta^?u ho?a nha^.p ma ro^`i, co' ba'c na`o tho^ng
> sa'ng cho vu. na`y ddu+o+.c kho^ng?
>
> Cheers, Zung
>
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Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 00:20:39 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Tie^'ng Vie^.t: ddo.c va` tha^u
Message-ID: <199703110505.AAA01001@ns.kreative.net>
Ca'c ba'c na`o co' muo^'n ddo.c tie^'ng Vie^.t bo? da^'u ddu'ng cho^~
(chuye^? tu+` 7-bit qua 8-bit) trong Windows thi` ddi la^'y ca'i viewer o+?
nha` kho cu?a tui. Tui dde^? ddo' dde^'n cuo^'i tua^`n thi` se~ de.p.
Co' luo^n ca'i la^.p tri`nh co^ ddo.ng a^m thanh RealAudio cho ba'c na`o
thi'ch nha^.u thi'ch ca thi'ch ha't gi` cho ba` con nghe. No' co' the^? e'p
go.n 600Kb tha`nh 6-7K, ra^'t to^'t. Ngu+o+`i nghe ca^`n RealAudio player,
mie^~n phi' ta.i <http://www.realaudio.com>.
Nha` kho tui o+? so^' http://www.kreative.net/toan/sofware
Ca'c ba'c cu+' tu+. nhie^n ma` do.n cho sa.ch giu`m.
Chuye^?n tie^'ng Vie^.t la`: wvn.zip (pha?i "pkunzip")
Co^ ddo.ng RealAudio la`: encode30.exe (tu+. bung ra)
Chu'c ca'c ba'c vui xa`i ddo^` nghe^`.
Toa`n
(Ba'c na`o bi. chu+~ cao qua' chen ma^'t da^'u khi du`ng converter thi`
va`o ca'i ho^` so+ ini cu?a no' ddo^?i y= tha`nh 0,-1 gi` ddo' cho dde^'n
khi vu+a` xem. hoa(.c ddo^?i ma^~u chu+~ tu+` 13 xuo^'ng 9 hay 10 dde^?
vu+a`)
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Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 06:13:47 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311060821.25928E-100000@marie.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Tie^'n, Zu~ng, So+n, ba'c "cha'u ga'i" va` ca? nh7a,
Nha` ta ba`n chuye^.n va(n va` nha` va(n LX hay qua'. Tui bo? cho+. co' 1
nga`y ma` dda~ bi. tu.t ha^.u nhu+ VN rui`, dda`nh "gia^.n ca' che'm
tho+'t" xo^ng va`o no'i leo chuye^.n ti`nh cu?a ba'c Tie^'n. Mong ba'c
Tie^'n ddu+`ng gia^.n.
> Co`n vu. ba'c So+n thi` ke^. ba'c a^'y\. Ai ma.nh thi` ddu+o+.c -)))
> (Ba'c tha^'y to^i co' ma.nh mo^`m kho^ng ?)
>
> Cheers, Tie^'n.
Ba'c Tie^'n o+i, ba'c que^n ddi.nh ly' "Nha^'t cu+. ly nhi` cuo+`ng ddo^."
ru`i a`?
Huhu,
La^m.
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Topic No. 12
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 06:24:09 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311061902.25928G-100000@marie.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Ba'c Huy o+i,
Ba'c chi? toa`n kho'c muo+'n cho phu. nu+~. Ba'c kho^ng cha.nh lo`ng nghi~
dde^'n bao phu. nam VN cu~ng pha?i cuo+'i vo+. Ta^y, vo+. Ta`u, va` ke^?
ca? vo+. Vie^.t kie^`u dde^? lo cho ddo+`i so^'ng a`? Phu. nu+~ ta cuo+'i
cho^`ng nuo+'c ngoa`i co`n kho^ng to^'n tie^`n chu+' phu. nam ta la^'y
vo+. nuo+'c ngoa`i to^'n ke'm la('m la('m.
Cheers,
La^m.
> Nghe^` ba'n hoa thi` -da^u cu~ng co', nhu+ng cu+o+'i cho^`ng Ta^y,
> cho^`ng Ta`u, va` ke^? ca? cho^`ng Vie^.t Kie^`u -de^? lo cho -do+`i
> so^'ng thi` tha^.t la` he^'t mi`nh.
>
> Huy
>
>
>
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Topic No. 13
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:07:44 +0800
From: Phung Phuong Nam <ppn@iist.unu.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Da.o kha? da.o
Message-ID: <3324F6B0.23F@iist.unu.edu>
Hong Lam Vu wrote:
>
> Hi ba'c Zu~ng,
>
> Tin cu?a ba'c ra^'t hay. Tui ho.c ba'c Le^'u tu+? co' ca^u sau dda^ dde^?
> cho va`o tuye^?n ta^.p (tui se~ la`m tuye^?n ta^.p ca'c ca^u "ba^'t hu?"
> cu?a ca'c Le^'u tu+? nha` ta):
> =================================================
> A kho^ng pha?i la` B, A la` kho^ng A
> =================================================
>
tie^`n va` ti`nh
tie^`n la` tie^`n nhie^`u khi kho^ng ma` co'.
ti`nh la` ti`nh nhie^`u lu'c co' nhu+ kho^ng
ngo^'c tu+? ca
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Topic No. 14
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:22:22 -0700 (MST)
From: Paul Pham <pham@xmission.com>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970310231259.13276A-100000@xmission.xmission.com>
co' 1 die^`u la^'y cho^`ng Ta^y la` ca? 1 -die^`u can -da?m va`
lie^`u li~nh :))
Ta^`u da^`u sao cu~ng co`n gio^'ng VN o+? ne^`n VH a' -do^ng.
Trong khi ta^y phu+o+ng thi` hoa`n toa`n kha'c ha(?n, co' nhie^`u
-die^?m kho^ng phu` ho+.p.
so^'ng o+? -da^y 1 tho+`i gian cho ne^n tui kha' hie^?u tu.i Me~o.
ngo^`i nghi~ 1 phu. nu+~ o+? trong nu+o+'c, cha('c cha('n
la` kho^ng ro~ nhie^`u ve^` cuo^.c so^'ng o+? be^n -da^y
va` kho^ng ro~ ta^m li' tu.i me~o ma` da'm nha('m ma('t
la^'y 1 te^n me~o (-da so^' la` gia` .. ma` co' le~
ng` mi`nh nhi`n no' kho^ng bie^'t -doa'n -du+o+.c tuo^?i)
thi` gan cu`ng mi`nh. Tui ma` la` con ga'i cha('c kho^ng
da'm la`m chie^.n na`y.
ca'i na`y kho^ng pha?i la` no'i xa^'u ca'c co^ .. tui chi? muo^'n
no'i le^n thu+.c tra.ng tho^i .. xin -du+`ng hie^?u la^`m
che^'t tha(`ng be' :))
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Hong Lam Vu wrote:
> Ba'c Huy o+i,
>
> Ba'c chi? toa`n kho'c muo+'n cho phu. nu+~. Ba'c kho^ng cha.nh lo`ng nghi~
> dde^'n bao phu. nam VN cu~ng pha?i cuo+'i vo+. Ta^y, vo+. Ta`u, va` ke^?
> ca? vo+. Vie^.t kie^`u dde^? lo cho ddo+`i so^'ng a`? Phu. nu+~ ta cuo+'i
> cho^`ng nuo+'c ngoa`i co`n kho^ng to^'n tie^`n chu+' phu. nam ta la^'y
> vo+. nuo+'c ngoa`i to^'n ke'm la('m la('m.
>
> Cheers,
> La^m.
>
> > Nghe^` ba'n hoa thi` -da^u cu~ng co', nhu+ng cu+o+'i cho^`ng Ta^y,
> > cho^`ng Ta`u, va` ke^? ca? cho^`ng Vie^.t Kie^`u -de^? lo cho -do+`i
> > so^'ng thi` tha^.t la` he^'t mi`nh.
> >
> > Huy
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Topic No. 15
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:11:04 +0100
From: hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703110811.JAA17297@riems.haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de>
> Co ba'c nao dda ddo.c "Thuyen truong va Ddai uy'" (tieng Nga hinh nhu
> la Dva Kapiteni ?) Quen mat la cu?a ai viet. Chi? co`n lo+` mo+` nho
> ten co^ ga'i la` Katia (Cachia?) , con mot nha` tham hiem - thuyen
> truong lung danh bi mat ti'ch trong mot chuyen tham hiem Bac cu+.c.
> Con anh chang dai uy te^n la Xara/Xania? thi pha?i.
Chuye^.n na`y nga`y xu+a to^i thi'ch khu?ng khie^'p, nhu+ng vi` chuye^.n
da`y qua' ne^n ba` gia` chi? cho ddo.c trong he`. To^i khoa'i dde^'n no^~i
ddi xe^'p ha`ng mua ga.o hay mua thu+.c pha^?m cu~ng va'c theo, trong lu'c
cho+` ga.o ve^` kie^'m 1 xo' ddo.c.
Huong
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Topic No. 16
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:38:21 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703110838.JAA03216@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
> ma.ng cu~ng hay day chu+'. Co' ba'c na`o da ddo.c Tarat Bunba
> (bumba?). Truyen cu+.c hay va` ca?m ddo.ng. Chang nho chinh xac ten
> ta'c gia? nua, chi lang ma'ng la cu?a mot ong rat noi tieng. Ba'c na`o co`n nho+'
Cu?a Go^-go^n ?
VH
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Topic No. 17
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:05:37 +0000 (GMT)
From: My Huyen Nguyen <M.H.Nguyen-iq1b7756@lmu.ac.uk>
To: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970311090312.586C-100000@jess>
Hi anh Huy,
CO' bao gio*` anh suy nghi~ ta.i sao ho. la^'y cho^`ng ta^y kho^ng ?
ANh co' bao gio*` nghi~ ra(`ng ti`nh ye^u kho^ng bie^.t ch?ng to^.c
kho^ng?
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk wrote:
> <<<Chuye^.n da`i ro^`i cu~ng pha?i chia tay. To^i quay ve^` Vie^.t Nam vo+'i
> bao suy tu+. Kho^ng bie^'t Te^'t na`y co' bao nhie^u ngu+o+`i thie^'u phu.
> Vie^.t Nam tre^n dda^'t Trung Hoa bo^`ng con tro^ng ve^` que^ me. ruo^.t
> ddau chi'n chie^`u?
>
> Nguye^~n Ba(`ng>>>
> Cha`o anh So+n,
>
> Tha^.t la` phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam `ba?y no^?i ba chi`m vo+'i nu+o+'c non'.
> Co' co+n ba?y no^?i ba chi`m thi` ma^'y chi. em cu~ng pha?i chi.u -du+.ng va`
> lo xoay so+? kho^ng ke'm bo.n mi`nh.
>
> Nghe^` ba'n hoa thi` -da^u cu~ng co', nhu+ng cu+o+'i cho^`ng Ta^y,
> cho^`ng Ta`u, va` ke^? ca? cho^`ng Vie^.t Kie^`u -de^? lo cho -do+`i
> so^'ng thi` tha^.t la` he^'t mi`nh.
>
> Huy
>
>
>
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