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VNSA-L digest 253
VNSA-L Digest 253
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) help !!
by Hung Minh Pham <pham@xmission.com>
2) help !!
by Paul Pham <pham@xmission.com>
3) Tu Vi and Tu+o+'ng Tam Ba.ch -Da`n
by Nguyen Toan Quoc <t.nguyen@elvis.murdoch.edu.au>
4) Da.o kha? da.o
by Nguyen Tien Zung <tienzung@darboux.math.univ-montp2.fr>
5) Re: A little poem
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
6) Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
7) Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
by Phung Phuong Nam <ppn@iist.unu.edu>
8) Mi` Colusa
by Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
9) Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
10) Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
11) Saigon Fax
by Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
12) Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
by hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
13) Ba`i bi`nh truye^.n ky' "HNTMA: Tie^`n" cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i (fwd)
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
14) Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
by Minh Dang <dang@par.univie.ac.at>
15) Re: various or "Still fuzzy?"
by Thanh Tung Truong <tung.truong@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
16) DDa(ng ky' va`o VNSA
by nguyen@dil.univ-mrs.fr (Viet Hung Nguyen)
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Topic No. 1
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 22:47:38 -0700 (MST)
From: Hung Minh Pham <pham@xmission.com>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: help !!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970309223029.11557A-100000@xmission.xmission.com>
hi all,
assume: negative integer is represented in digital computer
as 2 complement and assume 4 bits computer
so -3 looks like: 1101
and 1101 = 13 as a positive number (forget the sign bit)
13 = 16 - 3
so in general if we have n-bits computer, a negative integer number
b in 2 complement is 2**n + b (in postive representation).
the above statement is intuitively true.
Comment anyone ???.
PDP
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:09:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Paul Pham <pham@xmission.com>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: help !!
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970309225258.11557C-100000@xmission.xmission.com>
sorry, need helps on another topic: representation of
floating point in Digital computer ..
assume real-number is represented as 32-bits as follows:
-------------------------------------------------
fraction ! exponent
-------------------------------------------------
24 bits for fraction 8 bits for exponent
the 1st bits of fraction and exponent is sign bit
the floating point must be normalized ;ie that the first bit and second
bit in the fraction must be of opposite sign. for example
positive number 0 1 .......
negative number 1 0 .......
so a real number is computed as +- a * (2 ** b)
where 0.5 <= abs(a) <= 1.0 (abs = absolute value)
and -128 <= b <= 127
question: given a real number, need an alogorithm to convert it
into the above machine reprensentation.
PDP
hi all,
assume: negative integer is represented in digital computer
as 2 complement and assume 4 bits computer
so -3 looks like: 1101
and 1101 = 13 as a positive number (forget the sign bit)
13 = 16 - 3
so in general if we have n-bits computer, a negative integer number
b in 2 complement is 2**n + b (in postive representation).
the above statement is intuitively true.
Comment anyone ???.
PDP
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Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:58:18 +0800
From: Nguyen Toan Quoc <t.nguyen@elvis.murdoch.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Tu Vi and Tu+o+'ng Tam Ba.ch -Da`n
Message-ID: <199703100858.QAA15581@student>
Although I haven't applied as a member of the TV list. Please allow me to
ask to join and post a question.
Sa'ch tu+o+'ng no'i mo^.t trong nhu+~ng tu+o+'ng ky. nha^'t la` Tam Ba.ch
-Da`n. Ngu+o+`i co' tu+o+'ng na`y co' the^? che^'t ba^'t -da('c ky` tu+?
va` thu+o+`ng la` che^'t -du+o+`ng che^'t cho+. Can anyone explain tu+o+'ng
na`y la` tu+o+'ng gi` giu`m?
Thanks.
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Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:26:57 -0800
From: Nguyen Tien Zung <tienzung@darboux.math.univ-montp2.fr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Da.o kha? da.o
Message-ID: <33246081.75D0@math.univ-montp2.fr>
Cha`o ba'c VHLa^m va` ca'c ba'c
Tui da.o na`y 'gia` ro^`i la^?m ca^?m' co' vie^'t lo^.n phi tha`nh vo^
xin ca'c ba'c bo? qua' cho! Ca'm o+n ba'c La^m dda~ chi?nh la.i
No'i theo nhu+ GS Du+o+ng Minh Du+'c
thi` "dda^`u o'c to^i no' kho^ng la`m vie^.c nu+a~ ro^`i".
Tha^'y ba'c ba`n chuye^.n "la('m thie^.n qua'" to^i nho+' vu+a` ddo.c
ddu+o+.c mo^.t ba`i ba'o cu?a mo^.t ba` catholic na`o ddo' vie^'t
Eva kho^ng pha?i ddu+o+.c na(.n ra tu+` ca'i xu+o+ng su+o+`n cu?a Adam,
ca'c ba?n di.ch phu+o+ng Ta^y dde^`u sai ca?
(vi` chu+~ nga`y xu+a kho^ng co' nguye^n a^m, ngu+o+`i di.ch mo^~i
ngu+o+`i la('p nguye^n a^m mo^.t kie^?u, mo^~i kie^?u la.i ra nghia~
kha'c nhau. Hay chu'a tha^'y con ngu+o+`i kho^ng ne^n hie^?u
he^'t dda.o ne^n vie^'t kho' hie^?u?). Theo ba`i ba'o, thu+.c ra Eva la`
"ma(.t kha'c" cua? Adam, chu'a cho Adam ngu? ro^`i cho Adam tha^'y ca'i
the other side cu?a mi`nh. Ca'i the other side ddo' mo+'i la`m company
thu+.c su+. ddu+o+.c cho Adam. Xem ra "du+'c chu'a lo+`i" muo^'n
ngu+o+`i ta pha?i bie^'t ca'i ma(.t tra'i, ca'i be^n trong, ... cu?a
mi`nh.
Cu~ng ba`i ddo' vie^'t Adam kho^ng ne^n hie^?u la` dda`n o^ng, ma`
hie^?u la` con ngu+o+`i no'i chung tru+o+'c chua', la` "the other side
of God"
cu~ng nhu+ Eva la` the other side of Adam. O^i kho' hie^?u qua' ca'c
ba'c a., to^i bi. ta^?u ho?a nha^.p ma ro^`i, co' ba'c na`o tho^ng
sa'ng cho vu. na`y ddu+o+.c kho^ng?
Cheers, Zung
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Topic No. 5
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:17:48 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: A little poem
Message-ID: <9703101017.AA00147@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
Hi ba'c Thanh,
> of years ago). If I remember correctly, in '50s and '60s, they still
> considered "Battleship Potemkin" among the Top Ten, along with other
> classics like "Citizen Kane" or "The Passion of Joan of Arc". I think
To+` "Out Time" ho^`i na(m kia nha^n 100 na(m nga`y ra ddo+`i cu?a DDie^.n
a?nh va^~n xe^'p "Citizen Kane" ddu+'ng dda^`u danh sa'ch, thu+' 2 la`
"Godfather", sau ddo' to^i que^n ma^'t.
Phim cu?a Tarkovxkii dda^`u tie^n ma` to^i xem la` "Solaris". Ho^`i ddo'
to^i hie^?u ra^'t lo+` mo+`\. Sau ddo' to^i no'i vo+'i ba` gia'o tie^'ng
Nga la` tie^'ng Nga cu?a to^i to^`i qua', xem phim "Solaris" cha? hie^?u
gi`\. Ba` gia'o ddo' ba?o to^i, ngu+o+`i Nga xem phim ddo' cu~ng ra^'t
kho' hie^?u, ma`y kho^ng hie^?u kho^ng pha?i vi` tie^'ng Nga to^`i\.
Sau ddo' to^i ddi xem la.i 1 la^`n nu+~a, va` 1 la^`n xem
tre^n TV. Nhu+ng sau ddo' to^i la.i tha^'y "Solaris" co`n de^~ "ca?m thu."
ho+n ca'c phim kha'c cu?a Tarkovxkii nhu+ "The Mirror", "Nostalghia"
(phim na`y Tarkovxkii la`m o+? Y', khi o^ng ro+`i Lie^n Xo^).
Nghe no'i Tarkovxkii chi? la`m co' 8 bo^. phim\. To^i hi`nh nhu+ may ma('n
ddu+o+.c xem 5 hay 6 bo^. gi` ddo' nhu+ng ma` kho^ng co`n nho+' te^n nu+~a
(ne^'u ba'c nha('c la.i te^n thi` may ra to^i nho+').
O+? Nga mo.i ngu+o+`i cu~ng hay nha('c dde^'n Tarkovxkii. To^i kho^ng ro~
da^n chu'ng co' ha^m mo^. kho^ng nhu+ng ngoa`i ra.p va` TV thi?nh thoa?ng
la.i chie^'u la.i phim cu?a o^ng\.
To^i kho^ng ro~ la('m cuo^.c ddo+`i cu?a Tarkovxkii, chi? bie^'t o^ng lu+u
vong o+? phu+o+ng Ta^y\. Nhu+ng phim cu?a o^ng co' phong ca'ch dda(.c bie^.t
ma` to^i chu+a tha^'y o+? ai kha'c\. Phim cu?a o^ng co' ca'i gi` ddo'
cu+' man ma'c, ra^'t kho' gia?i thi'ch\.
Tra^`n Minh Tie^'n
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Topic No. 6
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 13:39:59 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
Message-ID: <9703101239.AA03450@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
> - da`nh cho ba'c Tie^'n: tu+` lu'c tui bie^'t ba'c ddu+o+.c ho+n 10 na(m
> dde^'n gio+` mo+' chi? bie^'t ba'c ho.c theo ca'c tha'nh hie^`n cu?a tam
> gia'o, tra'nh "da`n ba` & tie^?u nha^n" nhu+ Kho^?ng tu+? da(.n. Ma^'y
Tro+`i o+i, ba'c Du~ng, cu. Kho^?ng co' ba?o tra'nh "dda`n ba`" dda^u
ma` ba'c sa'ng ta'c ra the^'\. Ba'c ba?o co^ cha'u ba'c o+? tre^n VNSA,
to^i xem ca'i list ma` ba'c An Ha?i chu'c 8/3 ma` va^~n chu+a bie^'t
ai ddo'\. Tra^u cha^.m cha('c uo^'ng nu+o+'c ddu.c ma^'t, ho^m nay 10/3
ro^`i\. Nhu+ng to^i cu+' co^' dda^'m a(n xo^i va^.y, bie^'t dda^u la.i
kho^ng kho^ng ha^?m.
Chu'c ca'c ba.n nu+~, dda(.c bie^.t co^ cha'u ga'i cu?a ba'c Tie^'n Du~ng,
nha^n nga`y 10/3 !
Co`n vu. ba'c So+n thi` ke^. ba'c a^'y\. Ai ma.nh thi` ddu+o+.c -)))
(Ba'c tha^'y to^i co' ma.nh mo^`m kho^ng ?)
Cheers, Tie^'n.
> ho^m nay cha('c ba'c la.i ddem sa'ch Freud go^'i dda^`u ne^n mo+'i ho?i
> tui vu. co^ cha'u ho. . Nhu+ng tho^i, ba'c co^' ga('ng tu+. ti`m co^
> a^'y
> (co' tre^n vnsa na`y), kho^ng tui so+. ma^'t ti`nh ha`ng xo'm giu+a~
> ba'c So+n, ba'c va` to^i ma^'t. Hay ba'c thu+? du`ng ca'i alta vista
> ti`m
> xem tre^n na`y co' bellavista na`o ho+.p kho^ng? Nga`y mai la` 8/3 ro^`i
> ddo', chu'c ba'c tha`nh co^ng nhe'!
>
> - ca'i vu. entropy xin kha^'t ba'c AiViet dde^'n tua^`n sau.
>
> Cheers, Zung
>
>
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Topic No. 7
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:54:06 +0800
From: Phung Phuong Nam <ppn@iist.unu.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
Message-ID: <3324046E.D24@iist.unu.edu>
cha`o Lan Ba.ch Ngo.c,
xin gu+?i to+'i em nhu+~ng lo+`i chu'c to^'t dde.p nha^'t nha^n nga`y
8/3 <+2>
chu'c em luo^n vui tu+o+i, tre? ma~i kho^ng a`.
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Topic No. 8
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:54:28 +0100
From: Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Mi` Colusa
Message-ID: <199703101454.PAA02810@seth.imag.fr>
> Thanh
> PS: To DSo+n ColUSA co' pha?i mi` DL kho^ng, ne^'u ddu'ng
> thi` mi`nh toi dda(.c
>
Bac' Thanh oi, mi` Colusa la` mi` Vnam, co' nha` may' to dung` tre^n Thu?
Du*c' thi` phai?. Ba` pho' giam' do^c' mi` Colusa ho^i` truo*c' o*? do^i' die^n
nha` to^i. 1 ho^m to^i ve^` nha` nghe do^n` ra^m` le^n la` co^ng an dem xe
de^n' ba*t' ba` di ve^` to^.i tham nhung~. Ro^i` to^i cha? bie^t' xu*? ra sao.
Tu*` do' to^i chuye^n? qua a*n mi` Miliket va` Vifon. Rui~ bie^t' da^u co' lua^t
a*n (dung' nghia~ den) do^` tham nhung~ cung~ la` tong` pham tham nhung~ ro^i`
sao. De^n' khi co' vu o^ng To^ Quo^c' Tha*ng' (co' the^? nho*' lo^n te^n,
nhu*ng cha*c' cha*n' kho^ng phai? bac' Le^ Tu* Quo^c' Tha*ng' ro^i`) cung~ ra
toa` vi` vu chuye^n? tai` san? Nha` nuo*c' thanh` tu* nha^n, thi` to^i chi? a*n
mi` Vifon. Lay tro*i`, lo*~ mo^m` lo*~ mie^ng co' chuye^n vo*i' Vifon, to^i
la.i phai? tim` mi` khac' de^? a*n ..:( Mi` Miwon bi vu. lam` tem thu' khuye^n'
mai~ ba^y ba, bo^t ngot Ve^dan vuo*ng' chuye^n do^? cha^t' thai? ra bie^n?
Viet Nam v.v... ai' cha` chuye^n a*n cho suo*ng' mo^m` sao cung~ nhie^u khe^
qua' ..:(
PS: Ma` sao bac' Thanh so* mi` Taiwan the^'? Hay a*n lai bi .. "trie^t san?"
nhu* co' lo*i` do^n` vo*i' bia Van lu*.c (TQuuo^c') ho^i` xu*a? Co' gi` bac'
Thanh nho*' bao' da^y', tin ra^t' quan trong. Co' nguo*i` tu*` Saigon qua ke^?:
hie^u qua? cua? chuye^n Ma^y' ngan` con ga` che^t' kho^ng qua mo^~ (da*ng
bao' Ttre, bac' So*n da~ post) la` da^n Sai` thanh` .. kho^ng a*n ga` mo^~
sa*n? o*? cho*. nu*a~! Bao' ha.i cac' trai ga` meo' ma*.t, da^u phai? luc' nao`
cung~ co' ga` so^ng' de^? mua ro^i` lam`. Nhu*ng Nha` may' thuc pha^m? Visan ha?
he^: lam` a*n thua lo^~ tho*i` gian truo*c', bi tam dong' cu*a? de^? thanh ly',
nay truo*c' nhu ca^u` ca^n` "thi.t sa.ch", nha` may' mo*? cu*a? lai va` ban'
chay nhu* to^m tuo*i .. Dung' hanh phuc' la` cai' cha*n he.p, nguo*i` nay` rang'
keo' thi` nguo*i` khac' phai? ho*? ...
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Topic No. 9
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:08:47 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam
Message-ID: <97031015084699@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
<<<Chuye^.n da`i ro^`i cu~ng pha?i chia tay. To^i quay ve^` Vie^.t Nam vo+'i
bao suy tu+. Kho^ng bie^'t Te^'t na`y co' bao nhie^u ngu+o+`i thie^'u phu.
Vie^.t Nam tre^n dda^'t Trung Hoa bo^`ng con tro^ng ve^` que^ me. ruo^.t
ddau chi'n chie^`u?
Nguye^~n Ba(`ng>>>
Cha`o anh So+n,
Tha^.t la` phu. nu+~ Vie^.t Nam `ba?y no^?i ba chi`m vo+'i nu+o+'c non'.
Co' co+n ba?y no^?i ba chi`m thi` ma^'y chi. em cu~ng pha?i chi.u -du+.ng va`
lo xoay so+? kho^ng ke'm bo.n mi`nh.
Nghe^` ba'n hoa thi` -da^u cu~ng co', nhu+ng cu+o+'i cho^`ng Ta^y,
cho^`ng Ta`u, va` ke^? ca? cho^`ng Vie^.t Kie^`u -de^? lo cho -do+`i
so^'ng thi` tha^.t la` he^'t mi`nh.
Huy
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Topic No. 10
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:52:59 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
Message-ID: <9703101552.AA29942@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
:> TMT: Nhu+ng phim cu?a o^ng co' phong ca'ch dda(.c bie^.t
:> ma` to^i chu+a tha^'y o+? ai kha'c\. Phim cu?a o^ng co' ca'i gi` ddo'
:> cu+' man ma'c, ra^'t kho' gia?i thi'ch\.
To^i vu+`a cho+.t nho+' ra, mo^.t so^' truye^.n nga('n cu?a Pautovxkii
cu~ng ga^y cho to^i ca?m gia'c man ma'c\. Co' ba'c na`o thi'ch truye^.n
cu?a Pautovxkii kho^ng ?
> Talking about Indian movies, remember that other than these
> tearful cinemas (which were made in Bombay, a la Hongkong style),
> some real good ones with completely different styles were also made.
> I strongly recommend all of you to watch "Salaam Bombay", a 1988
> movie which won some prize in Cannes festival later on. It's about
> homeless children, and played by real homeless children in Bombay
> (the director just picked them up in the street, and taught them
> how to look into camera!). I nearly cried during the movie, since
> it made me think back to some of my poignant childhood memories
> that I experienced in Vietnam. Watch it, and you will see that India
> is not much different from Vietnam, not at all!!!
To^i kho^ng thi'ch phim A^'n la('m. Ha^`u nhu+ phim na`o cu~ng ke^'t
thu'c co' ha^.u\. Co`n con ngu+o+`i la` co`n la('m chuye^.n, cu+' che^'t
la` he^'t, kho?i ra('c ro^'i\. Thie^n ta`i nhu+ Nguye^~n Du cu~ng kho^ng
cu+'u ddu+o+.c ddoa.n DDoa`n vie^n, hi`nh nhu+ Hoa`i Thanh no'i va^.y\.
Phim nga`y nay hay co' kie^?u ke^'t thu'c lu+?ng lo+ con ca' va`ng
dde^? co`n la`m ta^.p 2, ta^.p 3 ke^' tie^'p.
> > Hey, perhaps we should talk about VNese films at the time as well; they
> > drawed huge crowd during the 80s, not like now. Remember "Va'n ba`i la^.t
> > ngu+?a", "Tu+. thu' tru+o+'c bi`nh minh", "Vu. a'n vie^n dda.n la.c",
> > "Xa Ha` no^.i", "Co' mo^.t ba`i ca kho^ng bao gio+` que^n", "La`ng Vu~
> > DDa.i nga`y a^'y", etc? :-)
>
> IMO, they were popular since there was nothing else to watch. Movies
> like "Biet dong Sai gon" are stupid (no flames please!) I think the
> best well-known Vietnamese movies were "Sao thang 8", "Vi tuyen 17 ngay
> va dem", "Canh dong hoang" (or something like that which won the Moscow
> film festival in 80-81), "Bao gio cho den thang muoi" (according to my
> mother, lots of people swept after the movies, those who lost
> some family members in the war). "Van bai lat ngua" also used to be
> a good spy movies with the popular and handsome Nguyen Thanh Luan,
> and other good-looking actresses (Thanh Lan, and others). "Lang Vu dai
To^i kho^ng thi'ch Thanh Lan la('m. Co^ na`y ddo'ng nhu+ ddo'ng ki.ch\.
Trong "Van bai lat ngua", ma^'y ta^.p dda^`u la` co^ kha'c ddo'ng, to^i
que^n ma^'t te^n.
Phim VN thuo^.c loa.i "classic" pha?i ke^? dde^'n "Chim va`nh khuye^n",
"Chung 1 do`ng so^ng", "Vi~ tuye^'n 17 nga`y va` dde^m", ... Ho^`i ddo'
Tra` Giang ddo'ng ra^'t no^?i tie^'ng. Phim cu?a DDa(.ng Nha^.t Minh
("Thi. xa~ trong ta^`m tay", "Bao gio+` cho dde^'n tha'ng 10") thi`
co' chie^u la. ddo^'i vo+'i ddie^.n a?nh VN la` qua' khu+', hie^.n ta.i,
thu+.c, a?o ddan chie^'u va`o nhau\. Hi`nh nhu+ lu'c ddo' ca'i chie^u na`y cu~ng
thi.nh o+? Nga\. Phim "Ca'nh ddo^`ng hoang" ddu+o+.c gia?i Lie^n
hoan phim ta.i Matxcova, nhu+ng to^i kho^ng ca?m tha^'y co' nghe^.
thua^.t cao (co' ky~ thua^.t tho^i).
La^u ro^`i kho^ng ddu+o+.c xem phim VN, kho^ng ro~ no' ra sao\. Nhu+ng
ma^'y la^`n to^i ve^` VN thi` tha^'y toa`n phim do+?\.
> BTW, what was the first Vietnamese movie with a sex scene? I think it's
> a big thing in a country like ours where censorship is a king; just
> think what a big headline it made when the Russians made "Little Vera";
Ho^`i to^i o+? Nga co' xem phim na`y, nhu+ng co' chi dda^u ma` co'
the^? go.i la` sex. Phim na`y chi? la` bo^. phim dda^`u tie^n no'i
ve^` prostition o+? Nga, ma` tru+o+'c ddo' prostitution ddu+o+.c coi
la` kho^ng co' o+? Nga (hi`nh nhu+ o+? Lie^n Xo^, prostitution la`
criminal thi` pha?i).
Tra^`n Minh Tie^'n
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Topic No. 11
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:06:22 +0100
From: Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Saigon Fax
Message-ID: <199703101606.RAA03006@seth.imag.fr>
> From: Pham Manh Hung <sun@augusta.inf.elte.hu>
> Subject: e-mail to Vietnam
> ----
> CHEAP FAX TO VIETNAM
> * * If you have a fax modem or a fax machine, you can fax
> to this number 84 - 8 - 829 - 6466 (Saigon Central Post
> Office), and they will deliver the fax to your family with
> VND 5,000 charge, usually within two hours.
Chao` cac' bac',
Theo huo*ng' da^n~ tre^n, to^i thu*? fax ve^`, la^n` nao` cung~ nghe die^n thoai
reng va` co' nguo*i` tra? lo*i`, nhu*ng fax cuo*ng quye^t' kho^ng di ..:( Kho^ng
hie^u? co' bac' nao` da~ thu*? chu*a, va` co' thanh` co^ng kho^ng, thi` chi?
bao? cho toi vo*i'? .. (May fax cho^~ to^i kho^ng no^i' vo*i' die^n thoai, to^i
nghe giong 1 co^ Vnam ngot ngao` hoi? ma` minh` lai kho^ng tra? lo*i` duo*c, tu*c'
che^t' di ma^t' ...)
Ngaoi` ra co' bac' nao` bie^t' so^' Fax cua? Saigon Fax kho^ng? Dich vu cung~ tuo*ng
tu*, tie^c' la` to^i kho^ng bie^t' so^' ...
Xin lo^i~ vi` lam` phie^n` cac' bac'.
QLa^n
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Topic No. 12
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:12:56 +0100
From: hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
Message-ID: <199703101612.RAA17184@riems.haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de>
>
> To^i vu+`a cho+.t nho+' ra, mo^.t so^' truye^.n nga('n cu?a Pautovxkii
> cu~ng ga^y cho to^i ca?m gia'c man ma'c\. Co' ba'c na`o thi'ch truye^.n
> cu?a Pautovxkii kho^ng ?
>
Toi ngay xua thich nhat tap chuyen "Bong hong vang" cua Pautovski, tu ngay
sang day khong mang theo nen cung quen kha nhieu. Co ai co tap do khong?
A, toi co 1 bai tho cua Bang Viet "Nho ve Pautovski" thi phai, co ai thich
toi se post len.
Huong
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Topic No. 13
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:37:25 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ba`i bi`nh truye^.n ky' "HNTMA: Tie^`n" cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970310082536.20038F-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c tre^n VNSA,
Ma^'y ho^m tru+o+'c to^i co' dda(ng truye^.n ky' "Ha` No^.i trong ma('t
ai: Tie^`n" cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i. Ho^m nay co' ba`i bi`nh ve^` truye^.n
na`y ddu+o+.c forward, to^i xin dda(ng le^n cho ca'c ba'c ddo.c cho+i.
Ba`i na`y co' va`i ca^u gio.ng va(n ho+i gay ga('t to^i dda`nh bo? dde^?
co' the^? dda(ng ddu+o+.c le^n VNSA. Nhu+~ng ddoa.n na`y ddu+o+.c dda'nh
da^'u [...]. Hy vo.ng ddu+o+.c su+. lu+o+.ng thu+' cu?a ta'c gia?
va` ca'c ba'c. Mo+`i ca'c ba'c ddo.c xem gio+'i "nhai va(n nha^'m chu+~"
nha` ta bi`nh truye^.n Ng~ Kha?i nhu+ the^' na`o. (Theo nhu+ to^i bie^'t
thi` ba`i na`y co' the^? co' mo^.t hai chi tie^'t phu. kho^ng ddu'ng,
nhu+ng kho^ng vi` the^' ma` gia?m gia' tri. ba`i vie^'t.) Ca'c ba'c ddo.c
xong bi`nh va(n thi` bi`nh, mong ddu+`ng co' bi`nh sang chuye^.n chi'nh
tri. nhe'. Ca?m o+n ca'c ba'c.
Ha?i.
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Ha`no^.i trong ma('t to^i: va(n, tie^`n va` quye^`n
Bi`nh lua^.n truye^.n ky'
"Ha` No^.i trong ma('t ai: Tie^`n" cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i
V. Du+o+ng
To^i xa Ha` No^.i na(m le^n 19 khi vu+`a bie^'t ye^u. Ca`ng xa Ha`
No^.i, ca`ng nho+' ve^` ma?nh dda^'t a^'y. Nho+' theo ca'i nghi~a
'nho+' nhung', kho^ng pha?i 'nho+' ghi'. Ha` No^.i ba^y gio+` dda~
kha'c xu+a la('m. Ca? pho^' phu+o+`ng, ca? con ngu+o+`i dde^`u bie^'n
ddo^?i. Mo^.t la' thu+ nha`, mo^.t to+` ba'o trong nu+o+'c, ta^'t ca?
nhu+~ng gi` tu+` Vie^.t Nam gu+?i qua, to^i dde^`u na^ng niu, dde^?
thu va`o ma('t mi`nh mo^.t ma?nh tro+`i cu?a Ha` No^.i, uo^'ng mo^.t
ngu.m khi' cu?a Ha` No^.i. Ha` No^.i ba^y gio+`.
Mo^.t ba`i ky' su+. gio^'ng truye^.n nga('n cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i dda~
dde^'n vo+'i to^i nhu+ mo^.t mo'n qua` ha`o pho'ng. Dda^`y a('p la`
Ha` No^.i. Ba`i ky' ve^` Ha` No^.i trong ma('t Nguye^~n Kha?i, vo+'i
mo^.t nha^n va^.t trung ta^m: Tie^`n.
Tie^`n trong truye^.n nga('n na`y co' ba ho'a tha^n chi'nh. Xin ke^?
theo thu+' tu+. the^' he^.. Ddo' la` ba` me. cho^`ng cu?a
Hie^`n. Tho+`i Pha'p, ba` co' tie^`n cho vay la~i va` go.i ho.. Khi
Pha'p ru't, dda^'t nu+o+'c chia ddo^i, ca'c con ho. va` con no+. cu?a
ba` cha.y va`o Nam. Ba` o+? la.i Ba('c dda^m ra tha`nh tay
tra('ng. "Ba` tie^'c cu?a kho'c lo'c ca? ma^'y tha'ng tro+`i ro^`i
tha`nh ngu+o+`i ngo+' nga^?n". Va` ba` ngo+' nga^?n dde^'n ta^.n
cuo^'i ddo+`i.
Ho'a tha^n thu+' hai la` Hie^`n. Co^ la` con ga'i nha` tu+ sa?n. Ai
muo^'n co' co^ng a(n vie^.c la`m dda`ng hoa`ng, muo^'n tha(ng tie^'n,
dde^`u cha(?ng da'm la^'y co^, ma(.c du` co^ "dde.p ma?nh mai va`
dda`i ca'c nhu+ thie^'u nu+~ trong tranh To^ Ngo.c Va^n." Nhu+ng
Hie^`n dda~ kho^ng dde^? bi. vu`i da^.p, i't nha^'t ve^` phu+o+ng
die^.n kinh te^'. Mo^.t tay co^ ga'nh va'c ca? nha` cho^`ng. Kho+?i
dda^`u la` mo^.t gia ddi`nh "tu+ sa?n", tu+'c la` toa`n nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i bi. vu`i da^.p. "Mo^.t nha` buo^n ba'n co' tie^'ng cu?a Ha`
tha`nh sau mu+o+`i ma^'y na(m ngo^`i cho+i kho^ng chi? co`n ca'i xa'c
nha`, be^n trong ro^~ng tue^'ch". Tu+` mo^.t "ca'i nha` tro^'ng
va('ng, la.nh le~o, ho^i mo^'c", co^ dda~ bie^'n no' tha`nh "mo^.t
nha` dda^`y a('p tie^'ng mo+`i cha`o, tha(m ho?i, dda^`y a('p tie^'ng
cu+o+`i".
Bi' quye^'t cu?a Hie^`n: Co^ dda~ lo.t ddu+o+.c va`o "trung ta^m
quye^`n lu+.c cu?a mo^.t tho+`i". Tho+`i na`o va^.y? Trung ta^m na`o
va^.y? Thu+a: Tho+`i chu? nghi~a xa~ ho^.i, kinh te^' chi? huy (co`n
go.i "quan lie^u bao ca^'p"). Trung ta^m ddo' la` Pho`ng Lu+o+ng
thu+.c khu Hai Ba`. So+? di~ mo^.t pho`ng lu+o+ng thu+.c nho? nhoi
la.i la` trung ta^m quye^`n lu+.c "vi` mo.i gia' tri. cu?a nga`y a^'y
dde^`u ddu+o+.c quy ddo^?i ra ga.o, nhu+ mo.i gia' tri. cu?a ho^m nay
dde^`u ddu+o+.c quy ddo^?i ra tie^`n ddo^ va^.y". Hie^`n dda~ so^'ng
co`n, dda~ kho^ng dde^? bi. da^.p vu`i, dda~ "tha('ng", nhu+ nha^.n
xe't cu?a ngu+o+`i ke^? chuye^.n, vi` co^ dda~ hie^?u va` dda~ nu+o+ng
theo mo^.t quy lua^.t cu?a li.ch su+?, i't nha^'t la` cu?a li.ch su+?
Vie^.t Nam trong the^' ky? 20, du+o+'i ta^'t ca? ca'c che^' ddo^. dda~
va` ddang co', ca? Pha'p thuo^.c, ca? co^.ng sa?n bao ca^'p, ca?
co^.ng sa?n thi. tru+o+`ng. Quy lua^.t ra(`ng kinh te^' la` khi'a
ca.nh ca(n ba?n cu?a cuo^.c so^'ng, mo.i gia' tri. kha'c dde^`u co'
the^? quy ve^` ca'c gia' tri. kinh te^'. No'i no^m na, tie^`n la`
ngu+o+`i me. cu?a ta^'t ca?, no' dde? ddu+o+.c ta^'t ca?, no' nuo^i
ddu+o+.c ta^'t ca?.
Hi`nh a?nh thu+' ba cu?a tie^`n trong ca^u chuye^.n cu?a Nguye^~n
Kha?i la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i tre?. Chu'ng la` ca'c con cu?a hai o^ng
chu', cu~ng nhu+ ca? ca'c con cu?a Hie^`n. Ba?n tha^n Hie^`n dda~
"ddanh dda', quye^'t lie^.t", "xu` lo^ng, giu+o+ng vuo^'t", va^.y ma`
dda'm tre? ba^y gio+` co`n quye^'t lie^.t ho+n, "la.nh lu`ng ta`n
nha^~n ho+n".
Giu+~a mo^~i ca(.p the^' he^. no^'i tie^'p nhau la.i co' mo^.t
su+. kha'c bie^.t. Nguye^~n Kha?i kho^ng no'i nhie^`u ve^` ba`
me. cho^`ng Hie^`n nhu+ng to^i cu+' tha('c ma('c ta.i sao khi ca'c con
no+. cu?a ba` o^m tie^`n cha.y va`o Nam, ba` kho^ng cha.y theo dde^?
tie^'p tu.c la`m chu? no+., hoa(.c chi' i't dde^? ddo`i no+. ma` va^~n
o+? la.i Ba('c dde^? ro^`i tie^'c cu?a dda^m ra ngo+' nga^?n. Co'
mo^.t ca'i gi` ddo' dda~ giu+~ ba` o+? la.i. Ca'i gi` ddo' a^'y co`n
ma.nh ho+n ca? no^~i tie^'c cu?a, mo^.t no^~i tie^'c cu?a dda~ ma.nh
dde^'n mu+'c la`m ba` la~o tro+? ne^n do+? ho+i. Kho^ng pha?i la`
mo^.t quye^`n lo+.i kinh te^', no' pha?i la` mo^.t gia' tri. dda.o ly'
na`o dda^'y. o+? Hie^`n, thu+' ba^.c cu?a hai ca'i na`y dda~ pha^`n
na`o dda?o lo^.n so vo+'i o+? ba` me. cho^`ng. Hie^`n no'i: "Em cu~ng
la` ngu+o+`i na(.ng ti`nh ca?m ho. ha`ng la('m. May sao la^`n na`y em
kho^ng anh em la(`ng nha(`ng gi` ca?. Dda~ ddu.ng va`o quye^`n lo+.i
cu?a nhau tu+'c la` ke? thu` ro^`i. Co' pha?i du`ng dao ma` xu+? em
cu~ng da'm." Hie^`n la` ngu+o+`i Ha` No^.i nhu+ng "kho^ng quan ta^m
to+'i ba^'t cu+' ve? dde.p na`o cu?a Ha` No^.i", co^ "chi? thuo^.c
ca'c ddu+o+`ng ngang ngo~ ta('t, ca'i ma(.t sau, ca'i phi'a nha^`y
nhu.a, nho+'p nha'p cu?a Ha` No^.i".
Giu+~a Hie^`n va` dda'm tre?, su+. kha'c bie^.t la.i na(`m o+? mo^.t
khi'a ca.nh kha'c. Ne^'u Hie^`n ti`m mo.i ca'ch kie^'m tie^`n vo+'i
"mo^.t ao u+o+'c ddu+o+.c hy sinh dde^? vun que'n, ha`n ga('n" thi`
dda'm tre? ba^y gio+` "kho^ng vi` ai ca?, kho^ng thu+o+ng ai ca?". Du`
co' gan du`ng dao xu+? vo+'i ca? anh em, nhu+ng Hie^`n va^~n la`
ngu+o+`i "chi? a(n ra^'t i't, co^ xo+'i co+m cho cho^`ng, ga('p thu+'c
a(n cho bo^' va` cho co^ cho^`ng, thu+o+?ng thu+'c ca'i ngon cu?a
bu+~a co+m qua ca'i ma~n nguye^.n, ca'i ha? he^ cu?a ngu+o+`i kha'c
vo+'i ddo^i chu't ha~nh die^.n." Hie^`n muo^'n co' tie^`n dde^? la`m
die^~n vie^n chi'nh trong mo^.t gia ddi`nh ha.nh phu'c va` dde^? no^'i
tie^'p ca'i danh tie^'ng cu?a cu+?a ha`ng la`m ba'nh ke.o nha`
cho^`ng. Dda'm tre? nga`y nay la.i muo^'n "co' tie^`n dde^? tro+?
tha`nh ngu+o+`i ma.nh, tha`nh o^ng chu?".
Chu'ng kha'c vo+'i me. chu'ng va` o^ng chu'ng, hai ngu+o+`i "ham danh
ho+n ca? tie^`n" o+? cho^~ chu'ng kho^ng thi'ch danh. "Chu'ng no'
thi'ch kie^'m tie^`n mo^.t ca'ch ta'o to+.n, nguy hie^?m, tha('ng thi`
la`m vua, thua thi` ddi tu`, a(n co+m muo^'i hoa(.c che^'t cu~ng
cha(?ng sao." Ddo^'i vo+'i chu'ng "ca`ng vo^ danh ca`ng to^'t", co`n
Hie^`n thi` so+.: "Ddo^`ng tie^`n kie^'m ddu+o+.c ba(`ng ca'i vo^ danh
thi` khie^'p la('m."
Ddo' la` Hie^`n cu?a ba^y gio+` no'i. Co^ kho^ng dde^? y' ra(`ng no^~i
so+. cu?a co^ toa't ra tu+` mo^.t kinh nghie^.m ba?n tha^n. Tru+o+'c
dda^y chi'nh co^ cu~ng dda~ la`m thie^n ha. "khie^'p" nho+` o+?
su+. vo^ danh cu?a mi`nh. Co^ dda~ bi. dduo^?i vie^.c vi` di'nh va`o
mo^.t da^y a(n ca('p. Co^ cha(?ng buo^`n la.i co`n la^'y la`m
mu+`ng. Co^ la`m ha`ng la^.u thue^', la.i la^.u ca? nha~n. Nhu+ng ca'i
vo^ danh cu?a co^ nga`y a^'y va^~n co' cho^~ kha'c ca'i vo^ danh cu?a
lu~ tre? ba^y gio+`. Co^ vo^ danh dde^? co' nga`y ddu+o+.c co' danh,
ddu+o+.c "mo+? la.i cu+?a ha`ng ba'n ba'nh ke.o nhu+ nga`y xu+a, treo
la.i ca'i ba?ng hie^.u nhu+ nga`y xu+a". Dda'm tre? tho+`i nay vo^
danh dde^? "tha`nh ngu+o+`i ma.nh, tha`nh o^ng chu?". Tuo^`ng nhu+ ba`
me. cho^`ng ngo+' nga^?n cu?a Hie^`n kie^'m tie^`n dde^? co'
tie^`n. Co`n vo+'i Hie^`n, ddo^`ng tie^`n la` phu+o+ng tie^.n dde^?
dda.t danh tie^'ng. Ddo^`ng tie^`n vo+'i con cu?a Hie^`n la.i la`
phu+o+ng tie^.n dde^? co' quye^`n lu+.c. La` mo^.t ngu+o+`i gio?i
thi'ch u+'ng, Hie^`n dda~ du+. ca?m tha^'y ddie^`u ddo'. Co^ dda~ "co'
ca'ch ti'nh toa'n kha'c" dde^? sau na`y kho?i bi. phu. thuo^.c va`o
con ca'i, ngo^. nho+~ chu'ng ddo^'i xu+? vo+'i cha me. chu'ng theo
mo^.t tu+o+ng quan quye^`n lu+.c du+.a tre^n su+'c ma.nh ta`i chi'nh,
chu+' kho^ng theo mo^.t to^n ti tra^.t tu+. du+.a tre^n "tam cu+o+ng,
ngu~ thu+o+`ng", hoa(.c mo^.t chan ho`a nha^n ti'nh du+.a tre^n ti`nh
ma^~u tu+?.
Be^n ca.nh tie^`n na(`m o+? tie^u ddie^?m ba`i ky', mo^.t nha^n va^.t
nu+~a cu~ng co' ma(.t ngay tu+` ddoa.n va(n dda^`u tie^n dde^? ro^`i
ho^. to^'ng ca^u chuye^.n dde^'n cuo^'i. Nha^n va^.t ddo' la`
quye^`n. Do ba?n cha^'t cu?a quye^`n, no' la`m ta^'t ca? mo.i ke?
pha?i tro.ng hoa(.c so+. mi`nh, chi? tru+` nhu+~ng ai na('m no'. No'
ba`ng ba.c kha('p mo.i no+i. No' la`m ca'i khung cho cuo^.c so^'ng
cu?a ta^'t ca? ca'c nha^n va^.t kha'c.
Thoa.t tie^n, quye^`n xua^'t hie^.n trong ne^`n kinh te^' bao
ca^'p. No' vu`i da^.p nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i co' tie^`n ("tu+ sa?n") ca?
ve^` ddi.a vi. xa~ ho^.i la^~n ve^` kinh te^'. No' la`m ngu+o+`i ta
so+. kho^ng da'm ye^u va` la^'y ngu+o+`i dde.p la`m vo+., chi? vi` co^
la` con nha` tu+ sa?n. [...]
Ca`ng ve^` cuo^'i ca^u chuye^.n, tu+'c la` ca`ng ga^`n nga`y nay, ca'i
quye^`n duy nha^'t va` toa`n die^.n ca`ng bi. tha'ch thu+'c, ma(.c du`
o+? pha^`n dda^`u chuye^.n, ca'i tho+`i xu+a, no' muo^'n gi` ngu+o+`i
ta cu~ng pha?i chie^`u theo. Ho^`i dda^`u, no' ba('t nha` tu+ sa?n
ngo^`i cho+i la` pha?i ngo^`i cho+i. Ngu+o+`i ta kho^ng da'm la^'y con
nha` tu+ sa?n vi` so+. ma^'t co^ng a(n vie^.c la`m dda`ng hoa`ng. Ve^`
sau, Hie^`n bi. dduo^?i vie^.c, co^ co'c so+., la.i co`n
xoay ra la`m ha`ng la^.u thue^'.Dde^'n ddo+`i con Hie^`n, chu'ng kho^ng
nhu+~ng quye^'t
lie^.t ho+n, ta'o to+.n ho+n, chu'ng co`n ddo`i la`m ngu+o+`i ma.nh,
la`m o^ng chu?, la`m vua. Kho^ng nhu+ Hie^`n, chi? ca^`n tie^`n, chu+a
da'm ddo`i ho?i quye^`n, dda'm ngu+o+`i tre? dda~ kha't co'
quye^`n. Vo^ hi`nh trung, chu'ng dda~ tuye^n chie^'n vo+'i Nha`
nu+o+'c, ke? ddang giu+~ ca'i quye^`n va^~n co`n ddo^.c nha^'t nhu+ng
co' nhe~ dda~ he^'t toa`n die^.n. Me. chu'ng mo+'i chi? da'm la^.u
thue^', chu'ng sa(~n sa`ng la^.u ta^'t ca?, "ca`ng vo^ danh ca`ng
to^'t".
Co' ve? nhu+ ca'i quye^`n ma` dda'm tre? muo^'n da`nh la^'y cu~ng la`
mo^.t ca'i quye^`n duy nha^'t, mo^.t ca'i quye^`n chi? thu+`a nha^.n
mo^~i ba?n tha^n, kho^ng chi.u thu+`a nha^.n quye^`n cu?a ke? kha'c,
bo+?i bo.n tre? "kho^ng vi` mo^.t ai ca?, kho^ng thu+o+ng mo^.t ai
ca?". i't nha^'t, Hie^`n dda~ kho^ng tin la` chu'ng se~ thu+`a nha^.n
ca'i quye^`n ddu+o+.c con ca'i phu.ng du+o+~ng cu?a ngu+o+`i me. ne^n
dda~ kho^ng "da.i gi` do^'c he^'t ha^`u bao cho chu'ng dde^? ve^` gia`
tha`nh ngu+o+`i phu. thuo^.c, tha`nh dda^`y to+', muo^'n a(n ba't
pho+? cu~ng pha?i ngu+?a tay xin tie^`n."
Mo^.t nha^n va^.t thu+' ba cu~ng ddi tu+` dda^`u chi' cuo^'i ca^u
chuye^.n, be^n ca.nh hai nha^n va^.t tie^`n va` quye^`n, ddo' la`
nha^n va^.t va(n. Ne^'u nhu+ tie^`n na('m kinh te^', va^.t cha^'t,
quye^`n na('m chi'nh tri., quye^`n lu+.c, thi` va(n na('m va(n ho'a,
gia' tri.. Trong ba`i ky', va(n co' ma(.t o+? kha('p no+i, cu~ng nhu+
tie^`n va` quye^`n va^.y. Kho^ng kha'c tie^`n va` quye^`n, va(n cu~ng
dda^.m dda(.c trong ddo^i nha^n va^.t. Tru+o+'c he^'t, dda.i die^.n
cho va(n la` ngu+o+`i ke^? chuye^.n. O^ng mo^ ta?, o^ng nha^.n xe't,
o^ng dda'nh gia'.
Xuye^n suo^'t ca^u chuye^.n, ngu+o+`i ke^? dda~ la^'y mo^.t tha'i
ddo^. kha' chu+`ng mu+.c. O^ng to? ra la` mo^.t ke? bi. phu. thuo^.c,
phu. thuo^.c va`o quye^`n, phu. thuo^.c ca? va`o tie^`n nu+~a. Nhu+ng
o^ng cha(?ng ki'nh tro.ng gi` ca? quye^`n la^~n tie^`n. Cha(?ng mo^.t
la^`n o^ng be^nh vu+.c quye^`n, cu~ng kho^ng mo^.t la^`n o^ng be^nh
vu+.c tie^`n. O^ng cu~ng kho^ng to lo+`i che^ bai chu'ng, chi? nha^'n
ma.nh su+. phu. thuo^.c cu?a mo.i ngu+o+`i va`o chu'ng, nha^'t la`
va`o tie^`n. Trong khi, be^nh vu+.c hay che^ bai la` ddi.a ha.t cu?a
va(n.
Tuy the^', ne^'u nhu+ ai ddo' tie^`n gia? thie^'t mo^.t thang gia'
tri. na`o dda^'y, ho. se~ nghi~ nha` va(n ddang chu+?i. [...]
Co`n ne^'u coi con ngu+o+`i la` mo^.t gia' tri. thie^ng lie^ng, se~
tha^'y pha^?m gia' cu?a con ngu+o+`i bi. cha` dda.p ddu? cho^~, bo+?i
ca? quye^`n la^~n tie^`n. Mo.i ha`nh xu+? cu. the^? cu?a quye^`n
dde^`u vo^ ly' va` ddo^.c ddoa'n. Quye^`n cu?a mo^.t ngu+o+`i,
tu+. no', la` nha(`m ha.n che^' su+. tu+. do cu?a ngu+o+`i
kha'c. Ne^'u mo.i ngu+o+`i dde^`u co' quye^`n ngang nhau, nhu+~ng
su+. tu+. do co' gio+'i ha.n nhu+ nhau se~ kho^ng cha` dda.p pha^?m
gia' cu?a ai ca?. [...]
Tie^`n cu~ng cha` dda.p nha^n pha^?m kho^ng ke'm quye^`n. Toa`n
bo^. ca^u chuye^.n la` xoay quanh quye^`n lu+.c, tha^.m chi' ne^'u
muo^'n, co' the^? no'i, ba.o lu+.c cu?a tie^`n. Co' le~ o+? dda^y
cha(?ng pha?i da`i do`ng, chi? ca^`n ghi la.i ca^u chu+?i co^ ddo.ng
ma` ddanh the'p nha^'t cu?a ba`i ky', ne^'u nhi`n tu+` quan ddie^?m
nha^n ba?n: "Ngu+o+`i kho^ng co' tie^`n ca'i tha^n kho^ng ba(`ng con
cho'." Nhu+ng nha` va(n la.i kho^ng to? ra qui' ngu+o+`i ho+n hay qui'
cho' ho+n. O^ng thu+o+ng ca? cho': "Cho' o+i la` cho'!" la^~n
ngu+o+`i: "Ngu+o+`i o+i la` ngu+o+`i!" O^ng chi? nha^.n xe't, ne^'u
the^' na`y thi` the^' kia, the^' tho^i.
Cu~ng vo+'i tinh tha^`n kho^ng thie^n vi. nhu+ va^.y, be^n ca.nh
nhu+~ng 'ddie^?m to^'i', nha` va(n co`n ne^u ca? nhu+~ng 'ddie^?m
sa'ng'. Ddo' la` nhu+~ng con ngu+o+`i "bie^'t ddie^`u" nhu+ ca'c nha`
tu+ sa?n, hay cho^`ng cu?a Hie^`n, hoa(.c chi'nh ba?n tha^n ngu+o+`i
ke^? chuye^.n. Ddo' la` Hie^`n trong vai na`ng da^u dda?m, ngu+o+`i
con hie^'u. Ddo' la` nhu+~ng anh tho+. gio?i bie^'n sa('t vu.n ra
nhu+~ng "tha`nh pha^?m kho^ng the^? pha^n bie^.t ddu+o+.c vo+'i ha`ng
Trung Quo^'c hay ha`ng Tie^.p". Ddo' la.i la` Hie^`n, con ngu+o+`i
"kho^n ngoan, tha'o va't" dda~ ngoi le^n kho?i vu`i da^.p. Ddo' cu~ng
la` ca'c con cu?a Hie^`n, nhu+~ng ke? ta'o ba.o va` gia?n di. vi`
kho^ng bie^'t so+. va` kho^ng ha'm danh. Danh sa'ch ca'c 'ddie^?m
sa'ng' co`n co' the^? lie^.t ke^ ba^'t ta^.n, va^'n dde^` chi? la`
ba.n du+.a tre^n tie^u chua^?n na`o dde^? dda'nh gia'.
Rie^ng nha` va(n, du+o+`ng nhu+ o^ng kho^ng ma`ng dde^'n chuye^.n
dda'nh gia'. O^ng cu+' ke^? ti?nh bo+, ke^? nhu+~ng chuye^.n ddo^.ng
dde^'n nha` nu+o+'c, dde^'n con ngu+o+`i, dde^'n luo^n ba?n tha^n
o^ng, nhu+~ng su+. vie^.c ma` theo ca'c chua^?n mu+.c ddu+o+.c xa~
ho^.i (ta, va^~n?) tin la` dda.o ddu+'c thi` pha?i bi. coi la` nhu.c
nha~, la` dde^?u ca'ng, tu+'c la` ma^'t pha^?m gia', ma^'t tu+
ca'ch. O^ng ti?nh bo+ nhu+ the^?: to^i chi? no'i thu+.c te^', ba?n
tha^n cha(?ng y' kie^'n gi`.
o+? dda^y, Nguye^~n Kha?i la`m to^i nho+' dde^'n Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p,
ngu+o+`i ma` o^ng dda~ tuye^n bo^' kha^m phu.c va` muo^'n ho.c
ta^.p. Nhu+ng ca'i ti?nh bo+ cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i co' kha'c su+. ti?nh
bo+ o+? Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p. Tuy nhie^n, to^i kho^ng the^? so sa'nh
Nguye^~n Kha?i vo+'i Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p cho tha^.t chi'nh xa'c vi`
ba`i na`y kho^ng thi'ch ho+.p dde^? so sa'nh ca'c chuye^.n cu?a
Nguye^~n Kha?i vo+'i ca'c chuye^.n cu?a Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p, hay
rie^ng chuye^.n na`y cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i vo+'i ca'c chuye^.n cu?a
Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p, cu~ng nhu+ chuye^.n na`y cu?a Nguye^~n Kha?i
vo+'i rie^ng mo^.t chuye^.n na`o ddo' cu?a Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p. Bu't
pha'p (va` ca? quan ddie^?m) cu?a ca? hai o^ng dde^`u dda~ thay ddo^?i
theo tho+`i gian.
Ca'i gio^'ng nhau giu+~a Nguye^~n Kha?i va` Nguye^~n Huy Thie^.p la`
ca? hai ta'c gia? dde^`u kho^ng tu+. ddo^`ng nha^'t vo+'i ba^'t cu+'
mo^.t he^. gia' tri. na`o. No'i theo kie^?u ca'c cu., va(n cu?a hai
o^ng kho^ng co' y' ddi.nh ta?i dda.o. i't nha^'t y' ddi.nh ta?i dda.o
kho^ng bo^.c lo^. ro~. o+? Ha` No^.i trong ma('t to^i: tie^`n, chi?
co' ddo^i ba la^`n ta'c gia? ddu.ng dde^'n cha^n, thie^.n, my~. Khen
dde.p, o^ng khen mo^~i ve? dde.p cu?a dda`n ba`. Ca'c thie^'u nu+~
trong tranh To^ Ngo.c Va^n, Hie^`n va` ba` me. cho^`ng "hoa kho^i
pho^' Ca^`u Go^~". Co' mo^.t la^`n xo+'t nha('c dde^'n "ve? dde.p cu?a
Ha` No^.i" nhu+ng kho^ng ro~ cu. the^? la` ca'i gi`. Dda(.c bie^.t,
cha(?ng bao gio+` nha` va(n khen to^'t. Chi? mo^.t cho^~, no+i o^ng
no'i dde^'n nhu+~ng no^`i tru.c giu+~a, tru.c moayo+, co^n, phuo^'c
cu?a to^? ho+.p sa?n xua^'t nha` Hie^`n "kho^ng the^? pha^n bie^.t
ddu+o+.c vo+'i ha`ng Trung Quo^'c hay ha`ng Tie^.p", ne^'u ga('ng
hie^?u la` tu+o+ng ddu+o+ng vo+'i to^'t cu~ng ta.m cho la` ddu+o+.c
ddi. Khen ddu'ng, o^ng chi? khen Hie^`n, nhu+~ng con ti'nh cu?a
Hie^`n. "Mo^.t ngu+o+`i kho^n ngoan, tha'o va't nhu+ co^ tha('ng la`
pha?i." Nhu+ng trong lo+`i khen va^~n co' ve? mie^~n cu+o+~ng. "Ta^'t
nhie^n la` pha?i ro^`i! Co^ em to^i ti'nh toa'n tu+` tre? dde^'n gia`
co' bao gio+` ma` cha(?ng pha?i." Mo^.t ca'i pha?i a'p dda(.t. Ca?
o^ng cu~ng buo^.c nghe theo ca'i pha?i ddo', du` trong lo`ng kho^ng
thi'ch.
Trong ba gia' tri. cha^n, thie^.n, my~, chi? co' my~ la` co`n tuye^.t
ddo^'i. Trong truye^.n, ddo' la` ve? dde.p cu?a nu+~ gio+'i. Thie^.n
thi` ngu+o+.c la.i, no' ha^`u nhu+ va('ng bo'ng. Kho^ng pha?i ta'c
gia? ba?o kho^ng co' thie^.n, chi? co' a'c. Ma` la` ta'c gia? ga^`n
nhu+ trie^.t tie^u tu+o+ng quan thie^.n-a'c. Co`n cha^n, gia'
tri. na`y chi? co' ti'nh tu+o+ng ddo^'i. Ca'i pha?i cu?a ddo+`i, ta'c
gia? chi? cha^'p nha^.n mo^.t ca'ch mie^~n cu+o+~ng. Nghi~a la` o^ng
va^~n giu+~ rie^ng cho mi`nh mo^.t ca'i pha?i, ca'i ddu'ng
kha'c. Dde^? da`nh cho mo^.t co~i na`o kha'c, mo^.t tho+`i na`o
kha'c. Co`n tho+`i nay, co~i na`y, ca'i ddu'ng a^'y, ca'i pha?i a^'y
ddu+o+.c nha` va(n nhu+o+`ng cho Hie^`n pha't bie^?u: "Nhu+ng chi.u
ca'i buo^`n va^~n ho+n chi.u ca'i nhu.c, ca'i nghe`o, em no'i the^'
co' pha?i kho^ng anh?"
Cu`ng vo+'i ngu+o+`i ke^?, Hie^`n dda~ la` mo^.t dda.i die^.n cho
va(n, mo^.t dda.i die^.n chu? ddo^.ng, chu+' kho^ng thu. ddo^.ng nhu+
nha` va(n. Va(n dda~ ddu+o+.c chia pha^`n. Nha` va(n chi? ta? la.i
ddie^`u ngu+o+`i kha'c kha(?ng ddi.nh. Nha` va(n kho^ng (co`n) la`m
(ra) va(n, chi? vie^'t (la.i) va(n. Nhu+ vo+'i su+?, su+? gia chi?
vie^'t (la.i li.ch) su+?, kho^ng la`m (ra li.ch) su+?. Va`, nha^n
va^.t dda.i die^.n mo^.t ca'ch chu? ddo^.ng cho va(n dda~ ne^u ro~
thu+' ba^.c: ca'i vinh, ca'i gia`u na(`m cao ho+n ca'i vui. Co^ cu~ng
ddi.nh nghi~a: mo^.t gia ddi`nh ha.nh phu'c, danh tie^'ng va` gia`u
co' la` tha('ng, kho^ng the^' la` thua.
The^m hai ddie^`u to^i muo^'n bi`nh lua^.n nha^n ba`i ky' na`y. Thu+'
nha^'t, ve^` du+ a^m cu?a ca^u chuye^.n (trong to^i). Thu+' hai, ve^`
ca'i hay cu?a truye^.n nga('n (ddo^'i vo+'i to^i). Ddo.c xong ca^u
chuye^.n, to^i bi. mo^.t nie^`m lo la('ng xa^m chie^'m. To^i lo lu'c
ga(.p pha?i "dda'm tre? ba^y gio+`", nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i kho^ng bi. mo^.t
ca'i gi` ra`ng buo^.c, tru+` ca'i mo+ u+o+'c ddu+o+.c ra`ng buo^.c ke?
kha'c. Tha^.t nguy hie^?m. Co' ca'ch gi` gia?i quye^'t su+. the^? ddo'
kho^ng? To^i nghi~ la` co'. Ca'i ma` dda'm tre? ddang hu+o+'ng dde^'n
la` mo^.t ca'i quye^`n. Ne^'u chi? the^' tho^i thi` co' khi cu~ng
hay. Nhu+ng no' nguy hie^?m o+? cho^~ no' chi? bie^'t thu+`a nha^.n
ba?n tha^n. Quye^`n co' the^? bi. mua chuo^.c, nhu+ng so+. thi`
quye^`n chi? so+. quye^`n ma` tho^i. [...]
Mo^.t khi Nha` nu+o+'c dde^` cao o+? mi`nh tra'ch nhie^.m ba?o ve^. ca'c
quye^`n cu?a ke? kha'c, ta.o ne^n mo^.t ca^n ba(`ng lu+.c lu+o+.ng
mo+'i, ngu+o+`i ta se~ ddo+~ "khie^'p" vi` ca'i "vo^ danh" se~ teo
la.i, cu~ng nhu+ ngu+o+`i ta se~ thu+o+`ng ddu+o+.c hu+o+?ng ca? ca'i
vinh, ca'i gia`u la^~n ca'i vui cu`ng mo^.t lu'c chu+' kho^ng pha?i
dda('n ddo nhu+ Hie^`n cho.n ca'i na`o ho+n.
Ve^` ca'i hay cu?a ba`i ky', to^i chi? xin ba`n mo^.t khi'a ca.nh
na(`m ngoa`i nghe^. thua^.t tho^i. Thu+o+'c ddo tre^n chie^`u ki'ch
na`y la` ha`m lu+o+.ng tho^ng tin. Mo^.t ddoa.n va(n tu+o+ng ddo^'i
nga('n ma` cho+? chu+'a chi chi't nhu+~ng tho^ng tin mang gia'
tri. kha'i qua't cao. Kho^ng pha?i nhu+~ng tho^ng tin la(.t va(.t,
chi? lie^n he^. dde^'n mo^.t hoa(.c mo^.t va`i ddo+n vi. ddo^'i
tu+o+.ng. Ma` la` nhu+~ng tho^ng tin lie^n he^. dde^'n ca? mo^.t xa~
ho^.i vo+'i nhu+~ng khi'a ca.nh quan ye^'u nha^'t cu?a no', tra?i
trong ba the^' he^. cu`ng nhu+~ng giai ddoa.n li.ch su+? kha'c
nhau. Va` ca? nhu+~ng tho^ng tin co' ti'nh kha'i qua't kho^ng
bi. tho+`i gian la^~n kho^ng gian gio+'i ha.n. Ta^'t ca? trong va`i
trang gia^'y. Cha? tra'ch Nguye^n Ngo.c hay Bu`i Minh Quo^'c co' la^`n
dda~ xe^'p Nguye^~n Kha?i (cu`ng vo+'i To^ Hoa`i) la`m "hai ngu+o+`i
tho^ng minh sa('c sa?o nha^'t nu+o+'c" (hie^?u: trong Ho^.i Nha` va(n
Vie^.t Nam). Mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i che^ Nguye^~n Kha?i (va` ca? To^
Hoa`i) "ke'm tu+ ca'ch". Ddie^`u ddo' to^i kho^ng kie^?m chu+'ng
ddu+o+.c, nhu+ng mo^`n mo^.t tre^n gia^'y, Ha` No^.i trong ma('t to^i:
tie^`n chu+'ng to? ngu+o+`i vie^'t la` mo^.t ca^y bu't tha^.t ta^`m
co+~.
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Topic No. 14
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:33:06 +0100 (MET)
From: Minh Dang <dang@par.univie.ac.at>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Vietneamse movies (from my perspective)
Message-ID: <199703101633.RAA06402@darlene.par.univie.ac.at>
Hi!
> To^i vu+`a cho+.t nho+' ra, mo^.t so^' truye^.n nga('n cu?a Pautovxkii
> cu~ng ga^y cho to^i ca?m gia'c man ma'c\. Co' ba'c na`o thi'ch truye^.n
> cu?a Pautovxkii kho^ng ?
>
To^i ra^'t thi'ch truye^.n cu?a Pautovxkii, to^i nho+' ho^`i be'
to^i ddo.c ddi ddo.c la.i nhu+~ng truye^.n nga('n cu?a o^ng nhu+
"bo^ng ho^\ng va\ng" hay "chuye^'n xe dde^m" ma` kho^ng bao gio+`
bie^'t cha'n. To^i thi'ch Pautovxkii vi` chuye^.n cu?a o^ng la`m
cho ta tha^'y ve? dde.p cu?a cuo^.c so^'ng ha`ng nga`y, nhu+~ng ve?
dde.p ma` ta de^~ da`ng overlook, ddo.c chuye^.n o^ng
xong mo+'i nha^.n ra. Kho^ng nho+' co' la^`n to^i ddo.c o+? dda^u
mo^.t nha^.n xe't ve^` chuye^.n nga('n cu?a Pautovxkii ma` to^i
tha^'y hoa`n toa`n chi'nh xa'c: chuye^.n Pautovxkii ddo.c thi`
tuye^.t die^.u ma\ kho^ng the^? ke^? ba(`ng mo^`m ddu+o+.c vi`
no^.i dung chi? la` nhu+~ng chi tie^'t va(.t va~nh cu?a cuo^.c
so^'ng ha`ng nga`y.
minh.
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Topic No. 15
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:44:09 -0800
From: Thanh Tung Truong <tung.truong@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: various or "Still fuzzy?"
Message-ID: <3324B8E9.220B@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
Hi Bac Zung,
> Ba'c Thanh Tung vie^'t ca'i posting sau ve^` fuzzy ho+i kho' hie^?u.
I am sorry but it is not easy to explain some technical problems. I am
trying my best. You may want to read the previous messages in the thread
once again.
> To^i kho^ng tha^'y ta.i sao fuzzy thi` la.i pha?i parallel (hai ca'i
> na`y theo to^i ddo^.c la^.y vo+'i nhau, co`n ne^'u fuzzy models tie^.n
> cho parallel processing kho^ng thi` la` chuye^.n kha'c - cha(?ng ha.n
> to^i tha^'y object-oriented tech. tie^.n cho parralel vi` ca'c objects
> la^'y luo^n la`m thread trong multi-threading la` ra^'t tu+. nhie^n,
> nhu+ng to^i chu+a tha^'y fuzzy tie^.n hay kho^ng tie^.n cho parralel o+?
> cho^~ na`o).
In a fuzzy algorithm, there are several data streams to be independently
processed by a pipeline of several complex operations, i.e.
fuzzification,
implication, composition and defuzzification. Therefore it is possible
AND
desirable (from the viewpoint of processing time) to implement a fuzzy
algorithm by parallel techniques.
For example consider a fuzzy system with N inputs and M output. Each
input
is modelled by P fuzzy sets and each output by Q fuzzy sets. In general,
there are P^N*M linguistic rules with N premises and one conclusion each.
Obviously:
the fuzzification should be applied to N*P independent data streams,
the (vectorial) implication should be applied to P^N*M independent data
streams,
the conclusion should be applied to M*Q independent data streams,
the defuzzification should be applied to M independent data streams.
As can be seen, the number of operations can be very high.
> Theo to^i fuzzy la` 1 technical term bie^?u hie^.n su+.
> chia nho? ho+n ca'c mu+'c dda'nh gia' tho^i (cha? ha.n thay vi` no'i
> thie^.n -a'c ta no'i ra^'t thie^.n, ho+i thie^.n, ho+i a'c, ra^'t a'c).
> Tuy` theo chia nho? bao nhie^u ma` lu+o+.g tho^ng tin co' va` ca^`n xu+?
> ly' ta(ng le^n tu+o+ng u+'ng, va` lu+o+ng primitive gates trong circuits
> ca^`n ta(ng le^n tu+o+ng u+'ng (va^'n dde^` o+? dda^y cha('c kho^ng
> pha?i cha.y nhanh hay cha^.m nhu+ ba'c Vie^.t vie^'t, ma` la` xu+? ly'
> approximate chi'nh xa'c dde^'n bao nhie^u).
The processing speed is one of the main motivation for dedicated fuzzy
hardware. The processing accuracy is not becaus a virtually arbitrary
accuracy can be reach with conventional digital hardware. It may be a
problem only if analog hardware is used owing to nonlinear effects, drift
and error propagation. A high processing speed is very important for
high-impact applications such as image processing or pattern recognition.
> Ca'c implementations cu?a fuzzy hie^.n nay cha('c dde^`u pha?i digital
> tho^i (chi'nh xa'c ho+n: analog -> digital -> mechanic or analog...).
That depends. For low-cost consumer products where the demand for
accuracy
and/or programability is low and/or very high speed is required, analog
implementation could be the choice.
> To^i ddo.c tho^ng tin ve^`
> ma^'y ca'i ma'y a?nh thi` tha^'y ho. vie^'t fuzzy logic = automatic
> control of light! Kha'i nie^.m fuzzy va` quantum computing cha('c hoa`n
> toa`n ddo^.c la^p vo+'i nhau (ie you can have fuzzy without quantum and
> vice versa, and their
> basic ideas are also absolutely different). dda~ la` microprocessor thi`
> ba?n tha^n no' cha('c kho^ng the^? fuzzy, chi? co' the^? du`ng no' ti'nh
> ca'c "qua' tri`nh fuzzy" ddu+o+.c tho^i.
Correct, fuzzy hardware is physically not fuzzy at all. It is just a
rather
"fuzzy" technical term.
Hope you find that not so fuzzy.
Thanh-Tung Truong
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Topic No. 16
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:52:19 +0100
From: nguyen@dil.univ-mrs.fr (Viet Hung Nguyen)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: DDa(ng ky' va`o VNSA
Message-ID: <199703101652.RAA06449@go01.dil.univ-mrs.fr>
Dear ca'c ba'c Admins!
To^i co' mo^.t ngu+o+`i ba.n nuo^'n dda(ng ky' va`o VNSA. Anh a^'y dda~ la`m
ddu'ng chi? da^~n nhu+ng kho^ng ddu+o+.c va` nha^.n ddu+o+.c tho^ng ba'o
la`: User unknown. Cha('c la` do chu+a pha?i la` tha`nh vie^n cu?a VNSA.
Mong ca'c ba'c chi? da^~n giu'p!
Xin ca?m o+n ca'c ba'c nhie^`u!
Hung.
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