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VNSA-L digest 300
VNSA-L Digest 300
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Ve^` Ha?i Pho`ng, tha`nh pho^' Hoa Phuong Do
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
2) Bi`nh Than & Die^n Ho^`ng
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
3) Re: Vietnam & China
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
4) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t: Hay hay do+~ ?
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
5) Cu. Kho^?ng
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
6) Is war a random event?
by Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
7) RE: Take something back to Vietnam
by Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
8) News
by Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
9) RE: Vietnam & China
by Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
10) Re: China and Vietnamn.
by Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
11) RE: Bobbitt
by Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
12) Ba'o VN: Que^ hu+o+ng cu. Kho^?ng
by Dam Son <son@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
13) Ba'o VN: Ai nghe nha.c co^? ddie^?n o+? VN?
by Dam Son <son@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
14) Paracel or Spratly?
by Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
15) Re: China and Vietnamn.
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:05:14 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ve^` Ha?i Pho`ng, tha`nh pho^' Hoa Phuong Do
Message-ID: <9703241605.AA32691@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
> > O+? ddo' kho^ng co' ne't dda(.c tru+ng, ngoa.i tru+` ma`u hoa ddo?\.
>
> Ha?i Pho`ng co' no^~i say dda('m ho^`n nhie^n ma` Ha` No^.i tu` tu'ng
> kho^ng the^? co' ddu+o+.c ba'c a..
Hi` hi`, ba'c cu+' dde^? da^n HP tra? lo+`i\. Ho. kha'c da^n HN,
ne^n to^i hy vo.ng ddu+o+.c ca^u tra? lo+`i kha'c\.
Hi`nh nhu+ ti`nh ye^u na`o cu~ng tu` tu'ng\. Ho^m qua xem Carmen
tre^n ZDF mo+'i cho+.t nho+' ddie^`u na`y\. "Ti`nh ye^u dde^'n
to^.t cu`ng la` ca'i che^'t". Chu+a che^'t la` chu+a pha?i ye^u
dda^u ba'c a., chi? la` ca'i bo'ng cu?a ye^u tho^i\.
Nhu+ng con ngu+o+`i hu+~u ha.n, dda`nh pha?i la^'y ca'i bo'ng
gia? la`m say dda('m dde^? tho?a lo`ng hu+~u ha.n.
Cheers, Tie^'n.
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Topic No. 2
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:22:10 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Bi`nh Than & Die^n Ho^`ng
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970324110332.22300B-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi,
Kho^ng bie^'t thu+.c te^' thi` Bi`nh Than hay Die^n Ho^`ng ca'i na`o
ho.p tru+o+'c.
Theo La' co+` The^u Sa'u Chu+~ Va`ng thi` Die^n Ho^`ng ho.p tru+o+'c
thi` pha?i. Kho^ng bie^'t dda^y la` sa('p xe^'p cu?a Ha` A^n Tie^n Sinh
hay ddu'ng va^.y.
To^i thi` cho ra(`ng Ho^.i Die^n Ho^`ng ( kho^ng co' chu+~ nghi.)
quye^'t ddi.nh ho+n. Ne^'u ca'c Bo^ La~o dde^`u nha^'t tri' ne^n dda^`u ha`ng
thi` cha('c cu~ng dde^'n ha`ng...
Co`n Ho^.i Bi`nh than ne^'u nhie^`u Vu+o+ng Co^ng theo phe Tra^`n I'ch
Ta('c ho+n, thi` to^i co' the^? tu+o+?ng tu+o+.ng Tra^`n Quo^'c Tua^'n
se~ nhu+ Lo^~ Tu'c Chu Du ma('ng Tru+o+ng Chie^u ( Ddo^ng Ngo^ chi? co'
hai ngu+o+`i chu? chie^'n ma` va^~n tha('ng). Vi` va^.y o+? Bi`nh
Than chi? ho.p nhau dde^? ba`n dda'nh nhau ra sao, anh na`o ca^`m ca'nh
qua^n na`o ma` tho^i. Ho?i dde^? sau na`y anh tan ha`ng cha.y thi` se~
che'm dda^`u thi. chu'ng ma` tho^i, cho+' dda^u co' quye^'t ddi.nh dda'nh
hay kho^ng.
Vua dda~ co' chu? y' tu+` tru+o+'c du+.a tre^n y' kie^'n cu?a bo.n "
tha^'t phu va` tre? con" ro^`i.
No'i dde^'n Hoa`i Va(n Vu+o+ng Tra^`n Quo^'c Toa?n, sau na`y tu+?
tra^.n thie^.t to^.i. Nhu+ng cu~ng la` mo^.t su+. nghie^.p cuo^.c ddo+`i
xu+'ng dda'ng da^~u chI? ba('t dda^`u ba(`ng mo^.t qua? cam.
Vi` va^.y ca'i gi` quan tro.ng ho+n thi` cu~ng cha(?ng obvious, ma`
co`n tu`y quan ddie^?m. Ne^'u no'i co' nhie^`u li'nh ga'c va` nhie^`u
o^ng lo+'n to+'i thi` OK, it is Bi`nh Than. Co`n ve^` significance, I dunno
whether it is.
Cheers
Aiviet
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Topic No. 3
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:25:19 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Vietnam & China
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970324112248.22300C-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Do you have the buying order?
What is the benefit of that business for the US?
On Sat, 22 Mar 1997, Ha Le wrote:
>
> Cha`o ca? La`ng,
>
> To^i dda~ sa~n sa`ng nha?y ta`u ddi Chicago ro^`i, nhu+ng cu~ng xin nho+`
> mo.i ngu+o+`i ba`n lua^.n the^m mo^.t kha? na(ng: ca'i lo+.i va` ha.i
> cu?a vie^.c VN cho phe'p My~ thue^ la.i ca?ng Cam-ranh?
> Ha
>
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Topic No. 4
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:11:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t: Hay hay do+~ ?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970324152057.29272A-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi Anh Hoang,
Ho^m nay to^i co' chu't tho+`i gian. Xin co' va`i Feedback vo+'i anh.
Chu+a the^? no'i la` suy nghi~ nghie^m chi?nh. Chi? pha?n u+'ng nhanh
mo^.t chu't cho vui tho^i. He.n di.p kha'c se~ nghi~ ky~ ho+n:
> - Su+. tinh te^' cu?a tie^'ng Vie^.t va` su+. gia'o du.c ve^` su+. tinh te^'
> trong -do+`i so^'ng cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t.
>
To^i tha^'y tie^'ng na`o cu~ng tinh te^' ca?. Chuye^.n xu+ng ho^
thi` tie^'ng Vie^.t phong phu' ma` nhie^`u chuye^.n kha'c thi` kie^'m
chu+~ kho^ng ra. Du`ng nhie^`u tu+` kha'c nhau dde^? chi? cu`ng mo^.t
ta^.p ddo^'i tu+o+ng cho tha^'y ra(`ng tu+ duy tru+`u tu+o+.ng ke'm.
Ngo^n ngu+~ tie^'ng Vie^.t ra^'t ke'm ve^` ma`u sa('c. Chi? co' xanh
ddo? ti'm va`ng la` he^'t. Blue va` Green kho^ng pha^n bie^.t. Pha?i go.i
te^n ma`u theo kie^?u ra^'t "kho' ngu+?i": ma`u "ma('m to^m", "cu+'t ngu+.a",
"cu+'t sa('t",...
Ga^`n dda^y la.i co' nhu+~ng ma`u nhu+ " No`ng su'ng",...
Nga`y xu+a thi` co' ma`u " Cha'o lo`ng", " Ca?i ma?",..nghe cha(?ng co'
hi`nh dung my~ ho.c na`o.
> - Truye^`n tho^'ng -da'nh tha('ng nhie^`u quo^'c gia hu`ng
> ma.nh
Cu+.c cha(?ng dda~ mo+'i pha?i la`m anh hu`ng cho+'. La`m the^' na`o
kho?i la`m anh hu`ng thi` to^'t. Dda'nh ddu+o+.c thi` cu~ng tra^`y vi
tro'c va?y. Tuy nhie^n cu~ng dda'ng tu+. ha`o. Nhu+ng kho^ng chu+`ng
cu~ng la` ti'nh ca'ch.
Ke^? anh nghe ca^u chuye^.n va`o na(m 79, tho+`i chua^?n bi. dda'nh Ta`u:
Ta.i ho.c Vie^.n Qua^n Su+., Chi'nh U?y le^n hua^'n thi.:
Li.ch Su+? trao cho chu'ng ta vai tro` dda'nh ba.i nhie^`u quo^'c gia
hu`ng ma.nh. Nga`y xu+a Dde^' Quo^'c Mo^ng Co^? ba'ch chie^'n tha('ng,
li.ch su+? dda~ pha?i giao cho Vie^.t nam dda'nh tha('ng. Ro^`i chu?
nghi~a thu+.c da^n, DDe^' quo^'c, Li.ch su+? la.i giao cho chu'ng ta.
Nga`y nay Li.ch su+? ddang giao cho chu'ng ta nhie^.m vu. dda'nh ba.i Ba'
quye^`n TQ...
Ke^'t thu'c o^ng Chi'nh U?y chi? Thu+o+.ng Si~ X, ngu+o+`i dda~ ra sinh
va`o tu+? o+? ddu? ca'c chie^'n tru+o+`ng nhu+ng vi` va(n ho'a ke'm ne^n
kho^ng ddu+o+.c dde^` ba.t: Ddo^`ng chi' X co' y' kie^'n gi`?
Thu+o+.ng Si~ X ra^.p go't da`y: Ba'o ca'o Chi'nh U?y, dde^` nghi.
chi'nh U?y giao cho to^i nhie^.m vu. dda'nh bo? me. ca'i tha(`ng li.ch su+?
tru+o+'c dda~. Chi? bie^'t giao nhie^.m vu. che^'t ngu+o+`i tho^i.
> > - Truye^`n tho^'ng nha^n nghi~a, -doa`n ke^'t.
Anh xem la.i ca'i chuye^.n ddoa`n ke^'t giu`m hi'. Nha^n nghi~a thi`
to^i cha(?ng da'm ba`n, anh co' ba(`ng chu+'ng gi` kho^ng. Die^.t hai
quo^'c gia cha('c cu~ng kho^ng the^? ba(`ng nha^n nghi~a.
>
> - Ne^`n gia'o du.c na(.ng ca?m ti'nh ho+n ly' ti'nh
Cu+o+`i nhie^`u cu~ng la` ca?m ti'nh ddo'. Kho^ng bie^'t chuye^.n
kho^ng co' Trie^'t gia na`o cho ra ho^`n ( xin tru+` anh Vu~ Ho^`ng La^m
ra) co' vi` ca?m ti'nh kho^ng. La`m nhie^`u ddie^`u ta`y tro+`i ma`
va^~n ho^`n nhie^n nhu+ tre? con nghi.ch dda^'t.
Kho^ng bie^'t to^'t xa^'u ra sao dda^y.
> To^i gia? thuye^'t chi'nh ca'i tho'i quen pha?i cho.n tu+`, cho.n ngu+~ cu`ng
> vo+'i cho.n ca'ch u+'ng sao cho ho+.p vo+'i hoa`n ca?nh mo^.t ca'ch qua' tinh
> te^' -do' -da~ hi`nh tha`nh ne^n trong vo^ thu+'c cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t mo^.t
> su+. xe't -doa'n kha' tinh te^' ca'c y' kie^'n mi`nh nghe tha^'y tu+` ngu+o+`i
> kha'c. -Die^`u na`y da^~n -de^'n ti'nh nha.y be'n, kha? na(ng -da'p u+'ng linh
> hoa.t vo+'i hoa`n ca?nh nhu+ng cu~ng -do^`ng tho+`i da^~n -de^'n ti'nh tu+.
> a'i cao (ne^'u y' kie^'n ngu+o+`i kha'c -du+o+.c cho la` hay ho+n -die^`u
> mi`nh nghi~), su+. -do^' ky., ganh ta`i, kho^ng ai chi.u ai, kho' ho+.p ta'c.
>
A^'n ddo^. no^?i tie^'ng la` co' ngo^n ngu+~ phong phu'. Rie^ng chu+~
buo^`n to^i nghe co to+'i 29 chu+~ mo^ ta? ca'c sa('c tha'i kha'c nhau
ra^'t tinh te^'. A^'n ddo^. cu~ng no^?i tie^'ng vo^ chi'nh phu? va` ho^~n
loa.n.
Hai ca'i ddo' co' lie^n he^. cha(ng? Ta cu~ng co' sa?n pha^?m ddo^.c
dda'o: " Loa.n 12 Su+' qua^n", " Kie^u Binh Thanh Nghe^.", " Phe'p Vua
Thua Le^. la`ng",... Cha('c cu~ng do ngo^n ngu+~ phong phu'.
Cu~ng co' ma(.t nghe`o na`n nhu+ ma`u sa('c. Cha('c ddo' la` nguye^n
nha^n dde? ra Le^ Ngo.a Trie^`u Vua QUy? Vua Lo+.n,...
Trade-off ma`.
> 2. Truye^`n tho^'ng -da'nh tha('ng nhie^`u quo^'c gia hu`ng ma.nh va` tu+.
> ha`o da^n to^.c -do^i lu'c khie^'n ngu+o+`i Vie^.t co' ma(.c ca?m tu+. cao
> khie^'n cho kho^ng chi? tu+. a'i vo+'i ngu+o+`i trong nu+o+'c ma` ca? vo+'i
> ngu+o+`i ngoa.i quo^'c. Pho^'i ho+.p vo+'i ye^'u to^' 1 tre^n khie^'n ngu+o+`i
> Vie^.t kho^ng de^~ cha^'p nha^.n ca'i mo+'i va` co' ti'nh -do^'i kha'ng cao.
>
Cu~ng la` mo^.t bie^'n da.ng cu?a ma(.c ca?m tu+. ty.
> 3. Truye^`n tho^'ng nha^n nghi~a, -doa`n ke^'t "Thu+o+ng ngu+o+`i nhu+ the^?
> thu+o+ng tha^n", "la' la`nh -du`m...
Giu'p ddo+~ cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t mang nhie^`u ti'nh " Pha?i Dda.o"
chu' tro.ng ve^` la^'y tie^'ng nhie^`u ho+n i'ch lo+.i thu+.c te^'. Va` giu'p
xong kho^ng ddu+o+.c tie^'ng gi` thi` hay tra'ch mo'c nhu+ tre? con.
> To^?ng ho+.p la.i ngu+o+`i Vie^.t chi.u a?nh hu+o+?ng cu?a ca?m ti'nh ho+n ly'
> ti'nh va` trong vo^ thu+'c to^`n ta.i mo^.t ma^u thua^?n tra^`m tro.ng giu+~a
> su+. kho' cha^'p nha^.n ngu+o+`i kha'c va` su+. -doa`n ke^'t va` giu'p -do+~
> la^~n nhau. Khuynh hu+o+'ng na`o ma.nh ho+n ? Tu`y lu'c tu`y tho+`i tha^.m
> chi' trong cu`ng tho+`i -die^?m co' khi cu`ng to^`n ta.i ma.nh ngang nhau.
>
> Co' the^? no'i:
> - Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t -doa`n ke^'t nhu+ng kho^ng ai chi.u ai.
> - Thu+o+ng ngu+o+`i nhu+ng cu~ng sa(?n sa`ng bo? ma(.c ngu+o+`i kha'c.
> - Sa'ng ta.o ra^'t nhie^`u nhu+ng kho^ng -da'ng ke^?.
>
Va^.y thi` kho^ng ne^n go.i la` ddoa`n ke^'t ma` go.i la` tho'i
so^'ng co^.ng sinh. Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam Cali la^.p ne^n Tie^?u Sai go`n
dde^? ra Ba'o Chu+o+?i nhau sa't va'n. Thu+.c ra kho^ng pha?i ddoa`n
ke^'t gi` chi? vi` so^'ng rie^ng kho^ng no^?i.
> Ki'nh tha`nh tha^.t ca'm o+n.
>
> Tru+o+ng Tro.ng Hoa`ng
Che^'t tha^.t bu+~a nay ba^.n la^`m pha?i kie^'ng ma't ma`u ho+i to^'i.
Ca'c anh cu+' ma.t sa't tha^.m te^. dde^? la^`n sau die^.n kie^'ng ma`u
ho^`ng.
Cheers
Aiviet
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Topic No. 5
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:31:36 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Cu. Kho^?ng
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970324161228.29272B-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi,
To^i thi` co' mo^.t tho'i xa^'u la` ai tri'ch da^~n cu. Kho^?ng la`
to^i la^.p tu+'c pha?i xe't la.i ddie^`u ddo' ngay, ma(.c du` ne^'u
kho^ng tri'ch da^~n thi` co' khi xem la` nhu+~ng cha^n ly' hie^?n nhie^n.
Dda.o Cu. ca`ng bao tru`m bao nhie^u, thi` ca'c pha?i xe't la.i ma.nh
vi` qua' "ddda't" cu`ng mo^.t lu'c. Nga`y nay ca'i gi` cu. co`n ddu'ng
thi` cha(?ng qua la` mo^.t ngoa.i le^. nga^~u nhie^n kha(?ng ddi.ng ca'i
qui lua^.t he^'t tho+`i.
To^i kho^ng da'm ba`n ve^` Cu. nhie^`u, so+. ca'c Cu. to^? nha` to^i
tra'ch pha.t. Tuy nhie^n to^i cu~ng xin no'i tru+o+'c dde^? compromise
vo+'i ca'c Cu. la` tho+`i ca'c Cu., thi` cu. Kho^?ng tuye^.t ddo^'i
ddu'ng tru+` ma^'y ca'i nghi va^'n:
- Ga(.p Ve^. Nam Tu+?.
- Sa(~n sa`ng la`m chi'nh tri. cho ba^'t cu+' ai.
- Ca'i chuye^.n Cu. cai tri. nu+o+'c Lo^~ co' 3 tha'ng ma` nu+o+'c
dda~ bi`nh tri.. Ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c pha?i so+.. Nghe cu+' nhu+ bi.a.
Co^ng ti'ch cu?a Cu. la` gie^'t O^ng Thie^'u Chi'nh Ma~o. Kho^ng tha^'y
no'i gie^'t tay na`y thi` ddu+o+.c ca'i ti'ch su+. gi`. To^.i tra.ng cu?a
Tay na`y thi` chung chung la` " la`m ro^'i loa.n chi'nh su+.". Cu. o+?
ngo^i cao thi` mo^.t tay Ha. Dda.i Phu la`m sao ma` la`m ro^'i ddu+o+.c.
Mo+'i ca^`m quye^`n dda~ gie^'t Ddda.i tha^`n, cha('c Cu. cu~ng ly'
thuye^'t nhie^`u, thu+.c ha`nh chu+a tha^'y co' gi` convincing.
- Nho gia'o cu?a Cu. le^n ngo^i ddu+o+.c la` nho+` Nha` Ha'n nha^.n
thu+'c la` co^ng cu. cai tri. to^'t ma` dde^` cao Cu.
- Sa'ch Da.i Ho.c Trung Dung,... Ti`m tha^'y trong tu+o+`ng nha` Cu.
"ti`nh co+`" sau khi Cu. ddu+o+.c dde^` cao cha('c gi` la` Cu. vie^'t.
Cheers
Aiviet
==========================================
Co' the^? Cu. Kho^?ng hay la('m nhu+ng mo'n calatha^`u a(n ma~i ro^`i, ta
theo Anh Ian Bui che'n Oyster cha(ng, chi. em nghi~ sao?
==========================================
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Topic No. 6
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:39:01 +1000
From: Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Is war a random event?
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970325093936.086f6f20@gimr.garvan.unsw.edu.au>
Hello friends,
It seems VNSA members are involved in Die^n Ho^`ng
conference, and somewhat forget their academic activities. Well,
let me present you the following somewhat related problem of what
you are now discussing, for thinking.
Between 1500 and 1931, there were 299 wars broke out in the
world (by definition, a w military action was a war if it either
was legally declared, involved over 50,000 troops, or resulted in
significant boundary realignments). To achieve greater uniformity
from war to war, najor confrontations were split into smaller
"subwars"; World War I, for example, was treated as five separate
wars. The following table gives the distribution of the number of
years in which x wars broke out (432). The last column gives the
expected frequencies based on the Poisson probability model, P(X =
x) = 0.60 x e**(-0.69) / x!
Number of wars Observed Expected
(x) begining frequency frequency
in a given
year
0 223 217
1 142 149
2 48 52
3 15 12
4+ 4 2
Total 432 432
In statistics, fitting data is a relatively task, but to find
an explanation/interpretation for it is not quite easy. Now, I
would like to have your opinions on how to interpret these data.
What does it mean in real life? Is human society has a constant
hostile level (measured by the number of new wars per year)? or
what? Please feel free to discuss your points.
Cheers,
Tuan V Nguyen
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Topic No. 7
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:40:16 -0800
From: Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: Take something back to Vietnam
Message-ID: <33380E00.2B9C@unsw.edu.au>
Hi Tuan, Huy and all
It's a bit outrageous to send something to VN via UK :)
Tuan, I should have told you before I went in February.
I suggeest you (and other Australian netters) contact
David Klineberg of A.C. Hatrick, Sydney - he's the guy who
organised for shiupments to DHBK TPHCM last year and he
may still go there.
Cheers
Tuan Pham
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Topic No. 8
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:20:52 -0800
From: Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
To: Vnforum <Vnforum@saigon.com>, vnsa-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: News
Message-ID: <33381784.43F3@unsw.edu.au>
Tha^'y ma^?u tin na`y hay hay dda'nh la.i cho qui' vi. coi
cho+i\.
Vu. ba` Tra^`n Tu' Trang, 35 tuo^?i du`ng ke'o ca('t ma^'t
du+o+ng va^.t cu?a cho^`ng la` o^ng Tom Tra^`n, 42 tuo^?i
va`o tha'ng ba na(m ngoa'i, dda~ ddu+o+.c mang ra to`a
Parramatta xu+? va`o nga`y 21/3.
Ba` Tra^`n Tu' Trang o+? Heckenberg, Ta^y Nam Sydney,
dda~ pha?n cung kho^ng nha^.n to^.i. Ba` co`n no'i ra(`ng
sau khi ddu+o+.c ra'p la.i an toa`n, o^ng Tom Tra^`n dda~
du`ng vu~ lu+.c va`o nha` ba` va` ha~m hie^'p ba`.
Tha'ng ba na(n ngoa'i, Ba` Trang vi` ghen tuo^ng la` dda~
dde` cho^`ng xuo^'ng giu+o+`ng na(m gio+` lie^`n tru+o+'c
khi du`ng ke'o ...
(dde^'n dda^y to^i ghe^ tay qua' kho^ng da'm type
tie^'p ddo.an na`y, xin ca'c ba'c tho^ng ca?m)
Vu. a'n ddu+o+.c do+`i la.i dde^'n nga`y 17/4.
Morality: Australian surgeons are the best in the
world!
Cheers
Tuan Pham
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Topic No. 9
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:38:41 -0800
From: Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
To: Vnforum <Vnforum@saigon.com>, vnsa-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: Vietnam & China
Message-ID: <333829C1.540C@unsw.edu.au>
>Hanoi, Mar. 21 (IPS) -- Vietnam and China are once again
>sparring over disputed territory in the South China Sea, this time
>as a result of Beijing's ongoing exploration for oil in waters that
>Hanoi says are within its jurisdiction.
>
>...
>The Chinese Kantan-3 oil rig was drilling near the Spratly
>Islands, in an area Vietnam calls Block 113 some 64 nautical miles
>off Chan May cape halfway down the country's coast. Near Da Nang,
>it is some 71 nautical miles off China's Hainan island.
>
Hi everybody
Among all the fuss has anyone bothered to check the map?
If the Chinese oil rig is between Danang and Hainan, then
it can't be "near the Spratlys", which is between Southern
VN and Borneo. The Spratlys are about 1000 km from the
area described! See
http://www.reedbooks.com.au/heinemann/hot/spratloc.html
Peter_Donahoe@notes.rbs.org wrote
closely at this latest incident... The rig is only 6 miles closer
to VN than it is to Hainan.
A Viet king said: Never give even one inch of land
to the Chinese. Laugh it off all you like, that
attitude has served Vietnam well over the last 1000
years. The Vietnamese's ethnic cousins, the Yueh people
of Southern China (Canton), are now called Chinese.
Cheers
Tuan Pham
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Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:58:52 -0800
From: Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: China and Vietnamn.
Message-ID: <33382E7C.4BD4@unsw.edu.au>
Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu> wrote
>Co' le~ kho^ng the^? cho.n cha me. ddu+o+.c tha^.t, nhu+ng quo^'c gia
>da^n to^.c thi` theo to^i la` ddu+o+.c.
> Ma^'y anh ngu+o+`i Vie^.t go^'c Hoa cu~ng la` ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam ddo'
>tho^i. Ne^'u ca'c anh cho.n la` ngu+o+`i VN la` vi` cho.n Va(n ho'a
>Vie^.t, thi` cu~ng se~ cho^'ng Ta`u chu+' sao.( Trie^.u Dda`, Lu+~ Gia
>cha(?ng ha.n, hoa(.c ngay ca? ca'i ho. Ddo^ng A cu~ng la` go^'c Ta`u
>mo+'i co' mo^.t ddo+`i, la`m chu'a Vie^.t Nam ro^`i cu~ng kho+i kho+i
>dda'nh Ta`u, a(n ma('m ruo^'c, tho+` Vua Hu`ng chu+' bo^..)
> O^ng Mai An Tie^m, Ma.c Ddi~nh Chi,.. co' go^'c Cha` va` ddo'.
>I would like to quote Billy Durand " It is not the race that makes a
>nation."
>Ma^'y o^ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t hoa(.c lai Vie^.t ma` la`m chu'a Ca(m bo^'t
>thi` cu~ng se~ cho^'ng Dzuo^n to+'i so^'., ne^'u kho^ng muo^'n tha`nh
>Tra^`n I'ch Ta('c cu?a Mie^n.
>
Hello
Cu~ng ddu+`ng que^n nhu+~ng ngu+`o+`i Ta`u "pha?n Thanh
phu.c Minh" dda~ co' co^ng ra^'t nhie^`u trong cuo^.c
khai pha' mie^`n Nam cho chu'a Nguye^~n (Ma.c Cu+?u,
Du+o+ng Nga.n Ddi.ch etc.). Co' the^? no'i
theo lo^'i ba'c Tie^'n la` vi` ho. kho^ng la`m ddu+o+.c
cha me. thay ddo^?i theo y' ho. ne^n ho. be`n ddi
ti`m cha me. kha'c :) (modern parallel not intended!).
Ho. Ly' Hoa so+n, sau khi bi. gie^'t hu.t,
cu~ng cha.y qua Cao Ly va` giu'p cha me. mo+'i dda'nh
Mo^ng co^?. Con cha'u ho. ma` co' ve^` VN thi` cu~ng
la` dde^? sa'ng gia' gio`ng do~i vua chu'a ma` tho^i.
Co`n o+? Me~o, bo.n con ca'i pha?n thu`ng ddi theo
Jefferson, Washington etc. dda'nh la.i cha me. A(ng le^
thi` cha('c ai cu~ng ro~.
Cheers
Tuan Pham
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Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:56:08 -0800
From: Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: Bobbitt
Message-ID: <33386618.6118@unsw.edu.au>
diemquynhng@hotmail.com wrote
>Hi ca'c ba.n:
> O*? My~ va`i na(m tru*o*'c cu~ng co' chuye^.n gio^'ng nhu* tre^n. Anh cho^`ng
>co' ho. la` Bobbitt ne^`n sau ddo' Bobbitt than`h Verb Bobbitt dde^? chi?
>vie^.c anh cho^`ng bi. vo*. ca('t......
> To^i xin ngu*`ng o*? dda^y ke>o ma^'y anh adin. la.i Bobbitt ma^'t ma^'y lo*`i
>ta`o lao cu?a to^i!!!!!!
>
Dda`i U'c co`n co' tin na`y nu+~a - Mo^.t ba` Tha'i Lan
"bo'p i't" o^ng cho^`ng, ro^`i so+. ngu+o+`i ta no^'i la.i
ddu+o+.c ne^n be`n buo^.c ca'i "i't" va`o ma^'y qua? bo'ng
helium cho no' bay ddi luo^n!
Cheers
Tuan Pham
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Topic No. 12
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:33:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Dam Son <son@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ba'o VN: Que^ hu+o+ng cu. Kho^?ng
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970324232731.27080A-100000@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
Hi,
I am back again from Cali. Nha^n dde^` ta`i cu. Kho^?ng co' ba`i sau
dda(ng tre^n ba'o VN.
So+n
Tuo^?i Tre? 16/3/97
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Nha^.t ky' lu+~ ha`nh:
Khu'c Phu. - tha`nh pho^' Kho^?ng gia'o
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Kho^?ng Tu+? (551-497 tru+o+'c Co^ng nguye^n) la` mo^.t nha` tu+ tu+o+?ng
lo^~i la.c cu?a Trung Hoa. Nga`y nay Khu'c Phu. - que^ hu+o+ng o^ng - la`
mo^.t tha`nh pho^' no^?i tie^'ng vo+'i nhu+~ng di ti'ch li.ch su+? va(n
ho'a ve^` cuo^.c ddo+`i va` tu+ tu+o+?ng ma` Kho^?ng Tu+? dde^? la.i. Ba`i
vie^'t na`y la` nhu+~ng ghi nha^.n cu?a ta'c gia? sau chuye^'n tham quan
dde^'n Khu'c Phu. theo lo+`i mo+`i cu?a Cu.c Va(n va^.t Trung Quo^'c.
Khu'c Phu. na(`m ta.i giao ddie^?m giu+~a bi`nh nguye^n ta^y nam cu?a
ti?nh So+n Ddo^ng va` va`nh ca'nh qua.t cu?a hai ngo.n nu'i lo+'n: Tha'i
So+n va` Nghi Mo^ng. Ta.i lu+u vu+.c so^ng Tu+' va` so^ng Nghi o+? sa't
Khu'c Phu., ca'c nha` kha?o co^? dda~ pha't hie^.n ddu+o+.c nhie^`u ve^'t
ti'ch cu?a hai ne^`n va(n minh la` Va(n Kha^?u va` Long So+n ca'ch dda^y
khoa?ng 6.000 na(m ve^` tru+o+'c. Ngu+o+`i da^n Khu'c Phu. co`n lu+u
truye^`n ca^u no'i cu?a hoa`ng dde^' U+ng Thie^.u Ta(ng nha` Ddo^ng Ha'n
ra(`ng: "Phi'a ddo^ng tha`nh Lo^~ co' ngo.n nu'i uo^'n khu'c da`i 7 da(.m,
bo+?i va^.y ma` go.i la` Khu'c Phu. (nghi~a la` ddo^?i nu'i quanh co)".
Tu+` Ba('c Kinh ve^` Khu'c Phu. chi? ma^'t chi'n tie^'ng ta`u nhanh,
tie^.n ho+n thi` ddi ma'y bay ve^` Te^' Nam ro^`i theo quo^'c lo^. 327
ve^` Khu'c Phu. ma^'t khoa?ng ba tie^'ng ba(`ng xe o^to^. Vo+'i mo^.t
die^.n ti'ch khoa?ng 800km2 va` da^n so^' 62 va.n ngu+o+`i, Khu'c Phu.
co`n lu+u giu+~ mo^.t di sa?n va(n ho'a kho^?ng lo^` : 100 cu.m di ti'ch
li.ch su+?, va(n ho'a vo+'i ho+n 1.000 co^ng tri`nh kie^'n tru'c dda(.c
sa('c, ho+n 100.000 la(ng mo^. co^? va` ho+n 30.000 dda.i thu. co' ha`ng
nga`n na(m tuo^?i...
Ta.i trung ta^m tha`nh pho^', kho' co' the^? pha^n bie^.t ddu+o+.c dda^u
la` cu+?a hie^.u, dda^u la` nha` o+? vi` ta^'t ca? dde^`u ddu+o+.c thie^'t
ke^' xa^y du+.ng theo lo^'i co^?, dda(.c bie^.t la` ngo'i lo+.p. Kho' co'
the^? tham quan he^'t Khu'c Phu. chi? trong va`i nga`y, tha^.m chi' va`i
tua^`n. Ta.i dda^y co' nhu+~ng ddi.a danh dda~ no^?i tie^'ng ca? nga`n
na(m nhu+ Tho. Kha^u, la(ng Thie^'u Ha.o, mie^'u Chu Co^ng, tha`nh cu~
nu+o+'c Lo^~, Vu dda`n, la(ng Lu+o+ng Co^ng... va` nhu+~ng mie^'u tho+`
Kho^?ng Tu+? ddu+o+.c du+.ng o+? nhie^`u no+i ga('n vo+'i nhu+~ng huye^`n
thoa.i ve^` o^ng: tu+` cha^n nu'i Ni So+n - no+i Kho^?ng Tu+? cha`o ddo+`i
- dde^'n tru+o+`ng Chu Tu+' - no+i o^ng vie^'t Kinh Thu+, san ddi.nh Le^~,
Nha.c. Kha'ch du li.ch da`i nga`y co' the^? dde^'n tha(m qua^`n the^?
la(ng mo^. ta.i va'ch nu'i Ni So+n - no+i ye^n nghi? cu?a na(m vi.
vu+o+ng nu+o+'c Lo^~ tho+`i Ta^y Chu, hoa(.c tha? bo^. do.c theo Tha.ch
Mo^n so+n dde^? chie^m ngu+o+~ng su+. hu`ng vi~ cu?a nu'i Tha'i va` so^ng
Tu+'. Tru+o+'c ca?nh quan hu`ng tra'ng cu?a vu`ng so+n thu?y hu+~u ti`nh
na`y, ngu+o+`i ta co' the^? hie^?u vi` sao nga`y xu+a, Ly' Ba.ch, Ddo^~
Phu?... dda~ dde^'n dda^y ngao du vi.nh ca?nh.
Ta.i trung ta^m tha`nh pho^', ba cu.m di ti'ch tie^u bie^?u nha^'t la`
Kho^?ng mie^'u (mie^'u tho+` Kho^?ng Tu+?), Kho^?ng phu? (no+i o+? nga`y
xu+a cu?a Kho^?ng Tu+? nay la` no+i o+? cu?a ha^.u due^.), va` Kho^?ng
la^m (la(ng mo^. cu?a Kho^?ng Tu+? va` ho.c tro` o^ng). Ba cu.m di ti'ch
na`y dda~ ddu+o+.c co^ng nha^.n la` di sa?n va(n ho'a nha^n loa.i, chu'ng
ddu+o+.c go.i la` Tam Kho^?ng Ba't Va^.t vie^.n. Chi? rie^ng tham quan Tam
Kho^?ng cu~ng dda~ ma^'t ga^`n mo^.t tua^`n le^~. Bo+?i dda^y la` mo^.t
qua^`n the^? kie^'n tru'c ro^.ng lo+'n vo+'i to^?ng die^.n ti'ch dde^'n
46ha (lo+'n ho+n khu vu+.c hoa`ng tha`nh Hue^'). Ta.i dda^y co' nhu+~ng
tru. dda' cha.m tro^~ tinh vi, ddu+o+`ng ki'nh ho+n mo^.t me't tu+` tho+`i
nha` Ha'n, co' nhu+~ng bu+'c hoa`nh phi do hoa`ng dde^' ngu+. phe^ tho+`i
Nguye^n, Minh; co' nhu+~ng qua^`n the^? bia dda' (co' ta^'m na(.ng dde^'n
65 ta^'n) vo+'i nhu+~ng ba`i minh no^?i tie^'ng do vua chu'a va` ca'c tri'
gia? lo^~i la.c nga`y xu+a tu+. tay ghi. Ha`ng chu.c nga`n hie^.n va^.t
qui' ba'u, ca'c tu+ lie^.u co^?, sa'ch le^~ thi do ca'c the^' he^. ddo+`i
sau cu?a Kho^?ng Tu+? su+u ta^.p ddu+o+.c. Va`o Kho^?ng la^m, mo+'i tha^'y
qua? cha(?ng sai vo+'i te^n go.i "ru+`ng Kho^~ng" cu?a no'. Ta.i dda^y co'
ha`ng nga`n ta^'m bia dda' vo+'i nhie^`u nie^n dda.i, co' nhu+~ng ca^y
tho^ng tho+`i nha` To^'ng (tu+'c dda~ ho+n 1.000 na(m tuo^?i).
Ha(`ng na(m, co' khoa?ng 1,5 trie^.u kha'ch du li.ch trong va` ngoa`i
nu+o+'c dde^'n tha(m Khu'c Phu.. Ngoa`i nga^n sa'ch da`nh cho vie^.c
tru`ng tu di ti'ch tu+` trung u+o+ng dde^'n ddi.a phu+o+ng, nguo^?n thu
tu+` ve' tham quan cu~ng ddo'ng go'p kha' lo+'n cho co^ng cuo^.c ba?o
to^`n. Ve' cho kha'ch trong nu+o+'c la` 10 nha^n da^n te^. (khoa?ng
13.000 ddo^`ng VN) va` 20 nha^n da^n te^. ddo^'i vo+'i kha'ch du li.ch
quo^'c te^'. Thu nha^.p ha(`ng na(m tu+` nguo^`n na`y khoa?ng 100 trie^.u
nha^n da^n te^. (khoa?ng 130 ti? ddo^`ng VN). Ddie^`u dda'ng chu' y' la`
o+? Khu'c Phu., su+. pho^'i ho+.p giu+~a ca'c ban nga`nh va(n ho'a, du
li.ch, ba?o to^`n ra^'t nhi.p nha`ng, a(n y'. Ha(`ng na(m dde^`u co'
kho'a dda`o ta.o nha^n vie^n cho ca? ba nga`nh tre^n. Ddie^`u na`y nha(`m
ha.n che^' to^'i dda nhu+~ng pha't ngo^n sai le^.ch ve^` di ti'ch va`
li.ch su+?. Hu+o+'ng da^~n vie^n du li.ch tu+` Ba('c Kinh, Thu+o+.ng
Ha?i, Tha^?m Quye^'n hay ba^'t cu+' no+i na`o kha'c dde^'n dde^`u ba`n
giao la.i cho nga`nh va(n ho'a, du li.ch Khu'c Phu..
Khu'c Phu. co' 470 tru+o+`ng so+? ca'c loa.i. Dda(.c bie^.t Tru+o+`ng
dda.i ho.c Su+ pha.m Khu'c Phu. la` no+i dda`o ta.o, nghie^n cu+'u tu+
tu+o+?ng phu+o+ng Ddo^ng. Ta.i dda^y, trie^'t ho.c Nho gia'o co' vai tro`
quan tro.ng trong chu+o+ng tri`nh gia?ng da.y.
O^ng Kho^?ng Tu+o+`ng La^m la` cha'u ddo+`i thu+' 75 cu?a Kho^?ng Tu+?,
hie^.n la` gia'm ddo^'c cu?a Tam Kho^?ng Ba't Va^.t vie^.n, la` mo^.t
chuye^n gia nghie^n cu+'u Nho gia'o. O^ng dda~ hai la^`n dde^'n VN.
Ddie^`u thu' vi. la` trong so^' ga^`n 700 nha^n vie^n cu?a Tam Kho^?ng
Ba't Va^.t vie^.n, co' ra^'t nhie^`u ngu+o+`i ho. Kho^?ng. Ngoa`i vie^.c
ba?o to^?n di ti'ch li.ch su+? vo+'i tay nghe^` cao, ho. co`n la` chuye^n
gia trong li~nh vu+.c "a^?m thu+.c". Ta.i Kho^?ng phu?, du kha'ch co'
the^? thu+o+?ng thu+'c ca'c mo'n a(n Trung Hoa no^?i tie^'ng ta.i nha`
ha`ng Kho^?ng Gia do chi'nh ha^.u due^. cu?a Kho^?ng Tu+? tu+. tay na^'u
nu+o+'ng va` phu.c vu..
Khu'c Phu. co' lua^.t ba?o ve^. ca?nh quan ddo^ thi. ra^'t nghie^m nga(.t,
nha^'t la` ve^` ma(.t kie^'n tru'c. Toa`n bo^. ca'c co^ng tri`nh xa^y
du+.ng cu?a Khu'c Phu. nga`y nay kho^ng ddu+o+.c phe'p vu+o+.t qua'
chie^`u cao 24,8m cu?a ddie^.n Dda.i Tha`nh - ngo^i ddie^.n tho+` chi'nh
cu?a Kho^?ng mie^'u. Vie^.c xa^y du+.ng, chi?nh trang luo^n ddu+o+.c
kie^?m tra, chi? da^~n cu. the^? va` gia'm sa't bo+?i ca'c ca^'p co'
tha^?m quye^`n, dde^? ta.o ne^n su+. ho`a ho+.p cho mo^.t kho^ng gian co^?
ki'nh cu?a tha`nh pho^'.
Thua^.n Ho'a (Trung ta^m Ba?o to^`n di ti'ch Hue^')
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Topic No. 13
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:40:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Dam Son <son@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ba'o VN: Ai nghe nha.c co^? ddie^?n o+? VN?
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970324233614.27080B-100000@fermi.phys.washington.edu>
Tuo^?i Tre? 16/3/97
_________________________________________________________________
Ddo^i do`ng ve^` cha^n dung kha'n gia? nha.c co^? ddie^?n ho^m nay...
_________________________________________________________________
Co' chu+o+ng tri`nh lu+a thu+a "thu+o+.ng dde^'" ngo^`i xem, co' chu+o+ng
tri`nh "thu+o+.ng dde^'" chi.u thua dda`nh ddu+'ng ngoa`i. Bie^?u die^~n
a^m nha.c co^? ddie^?n ta.i tha`nh pho^' ddang chuye^?n qua mo^.t giai
ddoa.n mo+'i, cha^'t lu+o+.ng nghe^. thua^.t ddu+o+.c ddo`i ho?i kha('t
khe. Ddo^i lu'c ngo^`i trong dde^m die^~n, nhi`n quanh tha^.t dda'ng ye^u
la^~n chu't bu+.c bo^.i. Ai dda~ ddi nghe nha.c co^? ddie^?n ?
Ddo^'i tu+o+.ng thu+' nha^'t la` gio+'i chuye^n nghie^.p (nha` sa'ng ta'c,
nghe^. si~ bie^?u die^~n va` gia?ng vie^n a^m nha.c), dda so^' ddu+o+.c
dda`o ta.o tu+` nu+o+'c ngoa`i ddem ve^` ne^`n ne^'p va(n ho'a thu+o+?ng
thu+'c; va` sinh vie^n ho.c sinh tru+o+`ng nha.c (ddo^'i tu+o+.ng i't
ddu+o+.c mo+`i, thu+o+`ng tranh thu? coi co.p). Ho. coi dde^m die^~n nhu+
mo^i tru+o+`ng sinh hoa.t chi'nh cho nghe^` nghie^.p, nha(`m ho.c ho?i,
trao ddo^?i, thu+o+?ng thu+'c; va` ha^`u nhu+ ho. kho^ng bo? so't ba^'t
ky` buo^~i die^~n na`o ne^'u bie^'t ddu+o+.c. Ho. ddi ddu+'ng, a(n no'i
nghie^m tu'c khi dde^'n thi'nh pho`ng va` chi'nh ho. kho+?i pha't nhu+~ng
tra`ng pha'o tay "mo^`i" chi'nh xa'c bo+?i na(`m lo`ng nhu+~ng gi` ddang
die^~n ra tre^n sa^n kha^'u. Nha.c si~ Nguye^~n Va(n Nam la` mo^.t vi'
du.: du` tuo^?i gia` su+'c ye^'u o^ng va^~n chi.u kho' le^n xuo^'ng ta'm
ta^`ng la^`u chung cu+ Nguye^~n Tha'i Bi`nh, dda.p xe co.c ca.ch dde^? co'
ma(.t "tre^n tu+`ng ca^y so^'". O^ng dda~ tu+`ng ca(n da(.n ho.c sinh,
kho^ng gi` to^'t ho+n nghe nha.c cu. dda'nh "so^'ng". Na(`m trong nho'm
na`y co`n co' nhu+~ng kha'ch mo+`i thuo^.c ta^`ng lo+'p tri' thu+'c, ho.c
gia?, nha` nghie^n cu+'u... ha^`u he^'t dde^`u am tu+o+`ng nha.c co^?
ddie^?n - thi'nh pho`ng.
Nho'm ddo^'i tu+o+.ng thu+' hai: kha'ch nu+o+'c ngoa`i, dde^'n nay chie^'m
ti? le^. kha' ddo^ng (tha^.m chi' le^n dde^'n 4/5 to^?ng so^' kha'n gia?
o+? dde^m die^~n cu?a nho'm nha.c Hoa Sen ta.i IDECAF dde^m 6-3-1997, song
ra^'t tie^'c dda^y la` chu+o+ng tri`nh hi hu+~u tu+` tru+o+'c dde^'n nay,
tho+`i lu+o+.ng chi? ddo^. 30 phu't la.i die^~n ra vo+'i nhie^`u so+
sua^'t ve^` to^? chu+'c). Ca'c dde^m nha.c co^? ddie^?n ngoa`i chu+'c
na(ng gia?i tri' co`n la` mo^i tru+o+`ng sinh hoa.t ve^` va(n ho'a cu?a
nho'm kha'n gia? na`y. Ho. go^`m tu`y vie^n va(n ho'a ca'c la~nh su+.
qua'n ca'c nu+o+'c, ca'c nha` doanh nghie^.p va` co' mo^.t so^' ddu+o+.c
mo+`i tu+` phi'a ca'c ba.n be` VN. i't nha^'t trong nho'm na`y la` kha'ch
du li.ch (chi? khi co' ba'n ve'). Nho'm na`y a(n ma(.c li.ch su+. nha^'t.
Be^n ca.nh ho. co`n la` nhu+~ng doanh nha^n tre? VN tho^ng qua nhu+~ng
buo^?i die^~n co' di.p tie^'p xu'c, ta.o mo^'i quan he^. to^'t dde.p ho+n
cho co^ng chuye^.n la`m a(n. Nhu+ tru+o+`ng ho+.p T.H. (CLB Doanh nghie^.p
tre? TP.HCM), he^~ co' nhu+~ng chu+o+ng tri`nh bie^?u die^~n lo+'n, co'
nhie^`u ngu+o+`i nu+o+'c ngoa`i la` co' ma(.t anh, co' the^? nghe anh
ddie^?m ma(.t tu+`ng vi., tha^.m chi' tay ba('t ma(.t mu+`ng vo+'i mo^.t
VIP Ta^y ma` nha('c chuye^.n ddo^i co tre^n sa^n... tennis. Ho. kho^ng
nhu+~ng ho.c ho?i ca'ch la`m a(n ma` co`n dde^? ta^m dde^'n sinh hoa.t
va(n ho'a cu?a ba.n.
Nho'm thu+' ba ga^`n nhu+ la` nho'm "pha' mo^`i". Trong lu'c nhie^`u
chu+o+ng tri`nh dda(.c sa('c nhu+ "Vo`ng quanh dda^'t nu+o+'c" vo+'i
Fukumura va` Dda(.ng Tha'i So+n, M.Rostropovich, B.Bonney, kho^ng thie^'u
nhu+~ng vi. gia'o su+, nha.c si~ tie^'ng ta(m cha.y ddo^n cha.y dda'o
dde^? ti`m ve' va`o cu+?a "ngo^`i dda^u cu~ng ddu+o+.c", thi` nho'm na`y
la.i co' thu+`a ve', nhu+ng "con sa^u la`m ra^`u no^?i canh" la` dda^y.
Ha`nh ddo^.ng cu?a ho. thu+o+`ng khie^'n cho mo.i ngu+o+`i, nha^'t la`
kha'n gia? nu+o+'c ngoa`i, nhi`n vo+'i ca(.p ma('t... kinh khu?ng, nhu+
nhi`n ngu+o+`i ngoa`i tra'i dda^'t. Co' le~ ho. hie^'u ky` khi tha^'y ba'o
chi' qua?ng ca'o, la(ngxe^ ra^`m ro^., ho. ti`m ca'ch mo'c ddu+o+.c ve'
(ta`i tha^.t !), ha~nh die^.n va`o xem dde^? ro^`i... bo? ve^` nu+?a
chu+`ng (chi.u sao tha^'u !). Ddo' la` chu+a ke^? ddi cu`ng vo+'i ho. la`
ma'y nha('n tin, ddie^.n thoa.i di ddo^.ng re'o lie^n ho^`i! Co' ddie^`u
may ma('n la` nho'm kha'n gia? qua'i dda?n na`y ddang gia?m da^`n.
Co' mo^.t ddie^`u ma` nhie^`u kha'n gia? VN ca^`n chu' y': ca'c nghe^. si~
ra^'t so+. su+. chi pho^'i ngoa.i ta.i trong lu'c die^~n. Dde^m 14-12-1994
ta.i IDECAF, danh ca^`m guitar co^? ddie^?n y' Massimo Gasbarroni ddang
me^ man vo+'i ta'c pha^?m Tiento (N.Omara) cho+.t kha'n pho`ng vang le^n
tie^'ng pip pip cu?a ddo^`ng ho^? ddie^.n tu+? tu+` ghe^' kha'n gia?,
the^' la` o^ng bo? ngang, xa'ch dda`n va`o ha^.u tru+o+`ng, ban to^?
chu+'c xin lo^~i ma~i o^ng mo+'i dda`n tie^'p, "to^i dde^'n dda^y kho^ng
pha?i dde^? nghe qua?ng ca'o ddo^`ng ho^`" nhu+ lo+`i o^ng no'i. The^'
nhu+ng, trong dde^m die^~n cu?a M.Rostropovich, nha` ha't so+. tie^'ng
o^`n, ta('t ma'y la.nh, kho^ng khi' no'ng ha^`m ha^.p, va^.y ma` ma(.c hai
ba lo+'p a'o, nha` danh thu? cello va^~n say su+a ke'o dda`n. Co`n Barbara
Bonney thoa'ng ngo+~ nga`ng vi` kha'n gia? vo^~ tay sau tu+`ng ta'c
pha^?m, nga('t ca'i ma.ch la.c trong chu`m ca khu'c cu?a mo^~i ta'c gia?
(du` to+` chu+o+ng tri`nh co' hu+o+'ng da^~n tru+o+'c) hay pha^`n hai
chu+o+ng tri`nh bi. nhie^~m a^m thanh be^n ngoa`i do^.i va`o, ba` va^~n
die^~n he^'t mi`nh.
Ngay gio+` giao thu+`a, mo^.t chu+o+ng tri`nh giao hu+o+?ng do da`n nha.c
giao hu+o+?ng VN cu~ng co' ma(.t trong ca^`u truye^`n hi`nh. Chi? sau hai
tha'ng qua na(m mo+'i 1997 dda~ co' ba ca' nha^n va` nho'm tu+` nu+o+'c
ngoa`i dde^'n bie^?u die^~n, co`n "ha`ng no^.i ddi.a" le^n dde^'n ha`ng
chu.c dde^m lo+'n nho?. Sa('p to+'i da`n nha.c giao hu+o+?ng Poiton
Charantes cu?a Pha'p se~ la`m mo^.t tour Ha` No^.i - Hue^' - TP.HCM, co'
ca? a^m nha.c cu?a nha.c si~ To^n Tha^'t Tie^'t trong chu+o+ng tri`nh
(dde^m 19-4 se~ die^~n ta.i kha'n pho`ng Nha.c vie^.n TP.HCM). Su+. dda
da.ng va` phong phu' cu?a loa.i hi`nh nghe^. thua^.t na`y vo+'i cha^'t
lu+o+.ng nga`y ca`ng thay ddo^~i, cu`ng ma^.t ddo^. hoa.t ddo^.ng da`y,
dde^`u hi vo.ng se~ hi`nh tha`nh ro~ ne't ho+n lo+'p kha'n gia? ddi'ch
thu+.c cu?a nha.c co^~ ddie^?n.
Ha?i Ninh
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Topic No. 14
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:12:25 +0100 (MET)
From: Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Paracel or Spratly?
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970325103735.15302A-100000@dutmpw3.tudelft.nl>
Dear anh Tuan and friends,
Anh Tuan is right about the distances (see quote below).
I have just checked the maps, following are approximations of bird's
flight distance (in miles) between:
Vietnam continental shore - the most western island of Spratly: 300
(at about Phan Rang/Phan Thiet)
The most southern point of - the most northern island of Spratly: 600
Hainan island
China continental shore - the most northern island of Spratly: 800
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Vietnam continental shore - the most western island of Paracel: 200
(at about Danang)
The most southern point of Hainan island - the most north-western
island of Paracel: 150
China continental shore - the most northern island of Paracel: 250
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So it seems that the Chinese Kantan-3 oil rig was drilling in the waters by
the Paracel archipelago. It does not mean, however, that these waters
are within China's jurisdiction.
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It is worth noting that a big Chinese offshore gas field, called Yinggehai,
is situated between vietnamese shore at Hue and Hainan: about 100-150 miles
(in bird's flight)
The Yinggehai field is a producing one with gas pipelines to Sanya
(Hainan isl.) and to Hongkong.
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Sources:
1). Energy Map of China (detail map South Chinese Sea) - Petroleum
Economist Energy Map Series, No 10, 3rd Edition - Produced by the
Petroleum Economist Ltd., London in association with Price Waterhouse
(World Energy Group)
2). Energy map of Asia - Petroleum Economist Energy Map Series, No 7, 4th
Edition - Produced by the Petroleum Economist Ltd., London, in
association with British Gas.
Regards, Buu-Long
On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Tuan Pham wrote:
> >Hanoi, Mar. 21 (IPS) -- Vietnam and China are once again
> >sparring over disputed territory in the South China Sea, this time
> >as a result of Beijing's ongoing exploration for oil in waters that
> >Hanoi says are within its jurisdiction.
> >...
> >The Chinese Kantan-3 oil rig was drilling near the Spratly
> >Islands, in an area Vietnam calls Block 113 some 64 nautical miles
> >off Chan May cape halfway down the country's coast. Near Da Nang,
> >it is some 71 nautical miles off China's Hainan island.
>
> Hi everybody
>
> Among all the fuss has anyone bothered to check the map?
>
> If the Chinese oil rig is between Danang and Hainan, then
> it can't be "near the Spratlys", which is between Southern
> VN and Borneo. The Spratlys are about 1000 km from the
> area described! See
> http://www.reedbooks.com.au/heinemann/hot/spratloc.html
>
> Peter_Donahoe@notes.rbs.org wrote
>
> closely at this latest incident... The rig is only 6 miles closer
> to VN than it is to Hainan.
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Topic No. 15
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:23:52 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: China and Vietnamn.
Message-ID: <9703251023.AA30757@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
> Cu~ng ddu+`ng que^n nhu+~ng ngu+`o+`i Ta`u "pha?n Thanh
> phu.c Minh" dda~ co' co^ng ra^'t nhie^`u trong cuo^.c
> khai pha' mie^`n Nam cho chu'a Nguye^~n (Ma.c Cu+?u,
> Du+o+ng Nga.n Ddi.ch etc.). Co' the^? no'i
> theo lo^'i ba'c Tie^'n la` vi` ho. kho^ng la`m ddu+o+.c
> cha me. thay ddo^?i theo y' ho. ne^n ho. be`n ddi
> ti`m cha me. kha'c :) (modern parallel not intended!).
Oh, kha'c nhau nhie^`u la('m\. Nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i Minh hu+o+ng
khi sang VN thi` ho. co' co`n ga^n co^? vo~ mo^`m ye^u sa'ch
nha` Thanh tra? nu+o+'c la.i cho nha` Minh kho^ng ? Ho. Ly'
Hoa so+n khi sang Trie^`u tie^n co' gu+?i ye^u sa'ch nha` Tra^`n
thoa'i vi. kho^ng ? Tu.i My~ theo Washington co' ba('t vua Anh
(hay nu+~ hoa`ng Anh) pha?i che^'t kho^ng ? DDa^'y la` 1 chuye^.n\.
Chuye^.n kha'c la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ddu+o+`ng ddu+o+`ng mang quo^'c
ti.ch VN, mo+? mie^.ng va^~n nha^.n thuo^.c da^n to^.c VN, va(n ho'a
VN, no'i nhu+ ro^`ng bay phu+o+.ng mu'a ve^` kie^'n thie^'t, xa^y
du+.ng VN etc. nhu+ng chi? toa`n ngo^`i o+? nu+o+'c ngoa`i kie^'n
thie^'t va` xa^y du+.ng VN ba(`ng mo^`m tho^i\. Tuy nhie^n cu~ng
pha?i ca?m o+n ho. vi` xa^y ba(`ng mo^`m cu~ng la` xa^y, co' co`n
ho+n kho^ng va` ho. cho ra(`ng o+? ho. o+? nu+o+'c ngoa`i thi` se~
hu+~u i'ch cho VN ho+n ho+n la` ho. o+? VN\.
Chuye^.n kha'c nu+~a la` dda^`y da^~y ngu+o+`i Vie^.t o+? ca'c tra.i
ty. na.n o+? DDu+'c, Ho^`ng ko^ng etc. kho^ng muo^'n la`m da^n Vie^.t
ma` ho. co' ddu+o+.c ca'i kho^ng na`y kho^ng ? Sao ho. kho^ng co'
quye^`n lu+.a cho.n da^n to^.c ? Ba'c A'i Vie^.t, Tua^'n Pha.m ...
giu'p ho. ddu+o+.c kho^ng ? Ca'c ba'c ma` giu'p ho. ddu+o+.c thi` phu'c
ddu+'c co`n nhie^`u ho+n ca? ca't so^ng Ha(`ng ddo'\.
DDie^`u mi?a mai kinh khu?ng ma` to^i tha^'y la` da^n ty. na.n thi`
kho^ng ddu+o+.c quye^`n ty. na.n, co`n du ho.c sinh ddo+`i cha cho
chi' ddo+`i con hu+o+?ng lo^.c cu?a CHXHCN VN thi` la.i ddu+o+.c
ty. na.n\. Ca'i dda'm da^n dden kia chi? vi` kho^ng ddu+o+.c ho.c
bo^?ng du ho.c ne^n do^'t kho^ng bie^'t ma'nh ma` la`m ty. na.n\.
Cu+' ho?i ca'c ba'c .... thi` ro~\.
Tra^`n Minh Tie^'n
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