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VNSA-L digest 258
VNSA-L Digest 258
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
2) No'i chuye^.n
by Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
3) Re: France & Russia
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
4) truyen nga
by vu-ha-van@MATH.YALE.EDU (Ha Van Vu)
5) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by Ho Tu Bao <bao@jaist.ac.jp>
6) Re: Books: Herman Hess
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
7) Re: No'i chuye^.n
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
8) RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
9) Re: On again, off again...
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
10) re:[News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
11) Re: The Japanese
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
12) Re: truyen nga
by hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
13) Ca^`n giu'p o+? Baltimore, Maryland USA
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
14) VKS tro`n 1 tuo^?i.
by To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
15) Go'p chuye^.n ngo^n ngu+~/FWd tu VKS.
by To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
16) [film]"Thu+o+ng Nho+' DDo^`ng Que^" ddu+o+.c gia?i ta.i Fribourg
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
17) The State of Things
by Thanh Dang Nguyen <Nguyen.Dang.Thanh@Eng.Auburn.EDU>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:50:32 +0100
From: hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703111450.PAA18014@riems.haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de>
>
> Hu+o+ng co`n nho+' truye^.n nga('n "Mu`a thu la.i ve^`" kho^ng. Ba` DTH vie^'t
> truye^.n na`y khoa?ng 1982. DDa^y la` Truye^.n mi`nh thi'ch nha^'t.
>
Chuye^.n na`y nhu+ the^' na`o ha? ba'c Ca? Ddo.c nhie^`u truye^.n cua? ba`
DTH nhu+ng kho^ng nho+' dda^`u dde^`.
Best, Huong
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:55:21 +0700
From: Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu, vnforum@saigon.com
Subject: No'i chuye^.n
Message-ID: <33257259.7EB4@ait.ac.th>
Hi folks,
Ca^`n ti`m ngu+o+`i co' microphone, speaker, du`ng Netscape Comunicator
4.0 tre^n ma'y ti'nh dde^? no'i chuye^.n thu+? nghie^.m.
--
Le Minh Trung
Asian Institute of Technology, STAR Program
P.O. Box 4 KlongLuang, Pathumthani 12120, Thailand
Internet: http://www.rsl.ait.ac.th/Trung/
Tel. (662) 524 5585 Fax. (662) 524 6147
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Topic No. 3
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:01:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: France & Russia
Message-ID: <9703111501.AA15263@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
>
> Cha`o ba'c Viet Hai,
>
> <<<Cho to+'i gio+`,
> toi van cho rang da^n to.c Nga va` Phap la` hai dan to^.c vi~ dda.i
> nha^'t ve^` va(n ho.c >>>
>
> Da^n Anh cu~ng co' nhie^`u nha` va<n no^?i tie^'ng.
>
Sorry ba'c Huy nha\. Qua? la` Anh co' nhie^`u nha` va(n no^?i
tie^'ng, nhu+ng la` no^?i tie^'ng tre^n the^' gio+'i, chu+'
da^n ta coi bo^. kho^ng ham la('m.
Ai Van ho^ ddo.c 1 ho^`i tha^'y cha'n\. Shakespeare kho^ng ddu+o+.c
u+a chuo^.ng vi` la` ki.ch va` vi` la` tho+\. Ma` ki.ch thi` pha?i
nho+` ngu+o+`i die^~n, ma` tho+ thi` pha?i phu. va`o ngu+o+`i di.ch\.
To^i ddo.c Shakespeare ba(`ng tie^'ng Anh tha^'y mu+?a ma^.t ra,
va^.y la`m sao ma` ca?m thu. ddu+o+.c ? (cu~ng may Shakespeare toa`n ta^.p
gia' re?, co' 19 DM, dde^? la^u kho^ng so+. thiu, thi?nh thoa?ng va'c
ra ddo.c cho+i). Bairon thi` la.i tho+\. Co`n la.i Dicken
thi` ho^`i nho? ddo.c cu~ng khoa'i\. A` co`n "Ho^.i cho+. phu` hoa"
cu?a ca'i o^ng chi chi nu+~a, que^n ma^'t te^n\. Truye^.n nga('n
cu?a Moom ddo.c cu~ng ddu+o+.c\. Hi`nh nhu+ nga`y xu+a quy' to^.c Pha'p
va^~n che^ xu+' Anh la` xu+' khi? ho co` ga'y ma`\.
Cheers, Tien.
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Topic No. 4
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:01:02 -0500
From: vu-ha-van@MATH.YALE.EDU (Ha Van Vu)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: truyen nga
Message-ID: <199703111501.AA02024@FERMAT.MATH.YALE.EDU>
Chao cac bac doc truyen nga,
Hoi xua toi thich Dubroski voi Con gai vien dai uy cua Puskin lam,
chua thay co ai nhac chuyen Puskin ca (con Dam pich thi chac ai cung biet).
Hoi do van hoa Nga tran ngap, chang phai rieng truyen ma thoi, ca nhac quoc te
chieu chu nhat cung bai hat nga la chinh. con da bong thi cung phan
lon la truyen nhung tran co doi Nga.
thanh ra cuoi cung ai nay deu co vu cho doi nay.
Hoi cap 3. lop toi co bao nhieu co me anh thu mon dep trai Dasaev. (:=))
Best, Van
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Topic No. 5
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:10:50 +0900
From: Ho Tu Bao <bao@jaist.ac.jp>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <332575FA.6CD03F06@jaist.ac.jp>
Hi,
Va(n ho.c Nga (Xo^ vie^'t) tha^.t tuye^.t vo+`i.
Ngoa`i nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i dda~ du+o+.c ke^? ra, to^i tha^'y co`n mo^.t
so^' ta'c pha^?m va` ta'c gi?a ra^'t hay, pho^? bie^'n o+? VN:
* A. Tolstoi: "Hai chi. em"
* I. Erenbua: "Co+n ba~o ta'p"
* Truye^.n ti`nh ba'o, cu+.c hay: "Chie^'c khuy ddo^`ng", "Nam tu+o+'c
Pho^n Go^n rinh", "Mu+o+`i ba?y khoa?nh kha('c mu`a Xua^n", "Tha'ng ta'm
na(m 1944"
* Raxun Gamzatop: "Daghextan cu?a to^i". Nha^n tie^.nco`n lu+u mo^.t
ba`i tho+ cu?a Gamzatop va` lo+`i bi`nh, xin gu+?i mo.i ngu+o+`i ddo.c
cho vui.
Best,
HTBao
-----
GU+?I NGU+O+`I PHU. NU+~
Raxun Gamzatop
Ho+~i ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~
ne^'u co' nghi`n dda`n o^ng ye^u em
em co' bie^'t trong nghi`n ngu+o+`i a^'y
co' Raxun Gamzatop nu+~a ma`
Co`n ne^'u nhu+ chi? co'
tra(m dda`n o^ng ye^u em
em ha~y nho+' trong so^' tra(m ngu+o+`i ddo'
nha^'t ddi.nh Raxun Gamzatop co' te^n
Co`n ne^'u nhu+ ye^u em
dda`n o^ng chi? co`n mo^.t chu.c
thi` Raxun Gamzatop
ddu+'ng thu+' ba?y hay ta'm trong ha`ng
Ne^'u dda`n o^ng chi? co`n la.i mo^.t ngu+o+`i ye^u em
to^i xin the^` - ngu+o+`i ddo' kho^ng ai kha'c
ngoa`i Raxun Gamzatop, em o+i
Co`n ne^'u em ddi co^ ddo+n buo^`n tu?i tre^n ddo+`i
kho^ng ai ye^u em nu+~a
thi` co' nghi~a o+? mo^.t no+i na`o ddo'
tre^n nu'i cao, Gamzatop che^'t ro^`i.
DDoa`n Minh Tua^'n di.ch
Raxun Gamzatop, nha` tho+ cu?a xu+' so+? nu'i dda' DDaghextan (Lie^n
xo^ cu~), vo^'n la` ngu+o+`i luo^n no^?i tro^.i vo+'i nhu+~ng ca'ch
no'i ddo^.c dda'o trong tho+. To^i thu' nha^'t la` ca'ch no'i tu+ng
tu+?ng "che^'t ngu+o+`i" cu?a o^ng. Cu+' gie^~u gie^~u, ddu`a ddu`a,
bo+~n co+.t, a^'y va^.y ma` khi ga^'p trang tho+ la.i, lo`ng mi`nh
bo^~ng nho'i le^n qua(.n tha('t!
Ba`i tho+ na`y, xe't dde^'n cu`ng, ho^`n co^'t cu?a no' thu+.c ra chi?
la` ba tie^'ng muo^n thuo+?: anh ye^u em. Gamzatop dda~ pha't ta'n ba
tie^'ng muo^n thuo+? a^'y trong na(m kho^? tho+, nhu+ng tho^'ng nha^'t
trong mo^.t ca'ch gia~i ba`y. O^ng dda~ su+? du.ng nhu+~ng dda.i
lu+o+.ng ddo dde^'m theo mo^.t tri`nh tu+. tu+` cao dde^'n tha^'p,
tu+` me^mh mo^ng u+o+'c le^. dde^'n mo^.t tie^u ddie^?m nho.n sa('c
nhu+ mu~i kim. Sau gia? thie^'t "ne^'u nhu+" (tha^.t te^' nhi.!), o^ng
ddu+a ra ca'c ti`nh huo^'ng: co' mo^.t nghi`n ga~ da`n o^ng ye^u em,
mo^.t tra(m ga~ dda`n o^ng ye^u em, mo^.t chu.c ga~ ro^`i cuo^'i cu`ng
la` ... mo^.t ga~ - thi` trong ta^'t ca? ca'c ti`nh huo^'ng a^'y,
luo^n co' mo^.t ga~ vo+'i te^n tuo^?i tha^.t cu. the^? la` Raxun
Gamzatop! Ti`nh ye^u la` chuye^.n cu?a mo^.t ngu+o+`i vo+'i mo^.t
ngu+o+`i, bo+?i va^.y ca'i tri`nh tu+. ma` nha` tho+ theo dduo^?i la`
ho+.p quy lua^.t. Nhu+ the^', cu~ng co' nghi~a la` nha` tho+ ddang
ti`m ca'ch kha(?ng ddi.h ti`nh ye^u cu?a mi`nh. Ngo^n ngu+~ ddo^'i
thoa.i cu?a o^ng vo+'i ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~ cu~ng theo tri`nh tu+. ddo'
ma` thay ddo^?i. Lu'c dda^`u la` ba^ng quo+ nghi nga.i "Em co' bie^'t
trong nghi`n ngu+o+`i a^'y. Co' Raxun Gamzatop nu+~a ma`". Sau ddo'
la` nha('c nho+?:" Em ha~y nho+' trong so^' tra(m ngu+o+`i
ddo'...". Ro^`i rie^'t ro'ng ho+n khi con so^' dda`n o^ng chi? co`n
mo^.t chu.c: "Thi` Raxun Gamzatop. DDu+'ng thu+' ba?y hay ta'm trong
ha`ng". Nhu+ the^' dda~ la` cu. the^?, nhu+ng nha` tho+ tha^'y chu+a
ddu?, va^~n ca^`n pha?i quye^'t lie^.t ho+n: "Ne^'u dda`n o^ng chi?
co`n la.i mo^.t ngu+o+`i ye^u em. To^i xin the^` - ngu+o+`i ddo'
kho^ng ai kha'c. Ngoa`i Raxun Gamzatop, em o+i". DDe^'n lu'c na`y thi`
ca'i tie^u ddie^?m nho.n sa('c nhu+ mu~i kim kia dda~ hie^?n
hie^.n. Mo^.t nha` tho+ non tay dda~ co' the^? ba(`ng lo`ng du+`ng
la.i, mo^.t ngu+o+`i ti`nh nu+?a vo+`i dda~ co' the^? dda('c y',
nhu+ng Gamzatop thi` kho^ng. Ca'i mu~i kim a^'y ca^`n pha?i chi'ch
va`o ta^m ho^`n ddo^i lu+'a, cho du` no' co' the^? ri? ma'u:
Co`n ne^'u em ddi co^ ddo+n buo^`n tu?i tre^n ddo+`i
kho^ng ai ye^u em nu+~a
thi` co' nghi~a o+? mo^.t no+i na`o ddo'
tre^n nu'i cao, Gamzatop che^'t ro^`i.
Y' tu+o+?ng ddo^.t ngo^.t dde^'n o+'n la.nh. Ca'i tu+ng tu+?ng "che^'t
ngu+o+`i" chi'nh la` o+? dda^y. Ca'i che^'t (gia? thie^'t) hie^.n ra
tre^n nu'i cao, cho+.t la`m lung linh ca? mo^.t ba`i tho+ toa`n
nhu+~ng dda.i lu+o+.n g ddo dde^'m vo+'i gio.ng ddu`a ddu`a. Kho^ng
chi? co`n la` tho+ Raxun Gamzatop nu+~a, ba`i tho+ dda~ ra^'t xu+'ng
dda'ng tro+? tha`nh tho^ng ddie^.p cu?a mo.i ngu+o+`i dda`n o^ng
bie^'t ye^u trao gu+?i cho ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~ cu?a ho.\.
Kho^ng ro~ nguye^n ta'c ba`i tho+ ra sao, nhu+ng cu+' ba(`ng va`o
nhu+~ng gi` dda~ bie^'t ve^` tho+ Gamzatop, to^i cho dda^y la` mo^.t
ba?n di.ch tha`nh co^ng cu?a DDoa`n Minh Tua^'n.
5/9/1996
Tra^`n Ho`a Bi`nh
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Topic No. 6
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:27:54 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Books: Herman Hess
Message-ID: <199703111512.KAA01894@ns.kreative.net>
Sa'ch Herman Hess ddo.c be^n VN la^u ro^`i ba'c Huy a.
Kho^ng nho+' ngu+o+`i di.ch, nhu+ng ba'c co' muo^'n thi` cu~ng ti`m ra
tho^i.
Toa`n
----------
> From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: Books: Herman Hess
> Date: Tuesday, 11 March 1997 6:49 AM
>
> Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
>
> O+? Vie^.t Nam ngu+o+`i ta co' -do.c sa'ch cua? Herman Hesse kho^ng?
> -Do.c tie^'ng Anh kho^ng cho to^i -du+o+.c ca'i thu' -do.c sa'ch
> nhu+ -do.c tie^'ng Vie^.t, chi? tru+` sa'ch cua? o^ng na`y, eg, Demian,
> Stephenwolf, Narzisse (sp?) and Goldmund, Siddharta. Nghe no'i o^ng na`y
la`
> tha^`n tu+o+.ng cua? the^' he^. hippy (che^'t chu+a, tui ho^?ng co'
> hippy -da^u nhe), kho^ng bie^'t the^' he^. tre? Vie^.t Nam nghi~ gi` ve^`
> o^~ng.
>
> Huy
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Topic No. 7
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:46:33 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Cc: <trung@ait.ac.th>
Subject: Re: No'i chuye^.n
Message-ID: <199703111531.KAA02212@ns.kreative.net>
Tho^i che^'t,
Anh ddang cha.y Beta pha?i kho^ng? Cha('c anh pha?i ddo+.i to+'i no' ra
ddo+.t chua^?n kia` chu+' to^i ghe't Beta la('m ro^`i, nha^'t la` Beta cu?a
Netscape.
To^i co' Cooltalk cu?a Navigator 3 xa`i co' ddu+o+.c kho^ng? Co`n ca'i
communicator 4 cu?a anh co' chi.u no'i chuye^.n vo+'i Neetmeeting cu?a
Microsoft kho^ng.
Ne^'u ma^'y thu+' na`y xa`i ddu+o+.c vo+'i communicator 4 thi` sa(~n sa`ng
cha`o anh ba(`ng tie^'ng Vie^.t xu+' du+`a.
U'i cha`, sao the^' gio+'i na`y la('m ngo^n ngu+~ the^'...
Toa`n
Ps: anh xem la.i URL cu?a anh be^n du+o+'i hi`nh nhu+ co' gi` sai.
----------
> From: Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: No'i chuye^.n
> Date: Tuesday, 11 March 1997 9:57 AM
>
> Hi folks,
> Ca^`n ti`m ngu+o+`i co' microphone, speaker, du`ng Netscape Comunicator
> 4.0 tre^n ma'y ti'nh dde^? no'i chuye^.n thu+? nghie^.m.
> --
> Le Minh Trung
> Asian Institute of Technology, STAR Program
> P.O. Box 4 KlongLuang, Pathumthani 12120, Thailand
> Internet: http://www.rsl.ait.ac.th/Trung/
> Tel. (662) 524 5585 Fax. (662) 524 6147
>
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Topic No. 8
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:42:48 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311103640.10072B-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Did I talk of politics?
According to my perception I did not.
The 1945 hunger was a historical fact of haft century old. And the
cause was not political at all, it was just an absurdity of human acts.
Sorry if I am wrong.
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Wayne wrote:
> Hi Ai Viet,
> I thought politics is not encouraged on this forum....
> Wayne
>
> >----------
> >From: Aiviet Nguyen[SMTP:aiviet@cat.syr.edu]
> >Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 4:10AM
> >To: Multiple recipients of list
> >Subject: Re: [News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
> >
> >I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> >hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
> >
> >
>
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Topic No. 9
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:47:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: On again, off again...
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311104436.10072D-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi Anh Ian,
Nghe noi da^~n ba.n ga'i ddi a(n Oyster la` mo^.t offer ra^'t agressive
kho^ng bie^'t ddu'ng sai the^' na`o. Dda'ng ra anh pha?i no'i dde^'n
Oyster tru+o+'c 8/3 cho anh em co' di.p thi tho^' cho+'. :))
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Ian Bui wrote:
>
> Que^n nu*~a, ngoa`i ca^u "off the shelf" ngu*o*`i My~
> co`n co' the^m cu.m tu*` "on the shell" dde^? ta? cai'
> man` a<n so` huye^'t (oyster) dda^'y ca'c ba'c a. :))
>
> (Nha<'c to*'i oyster lam` to*' la.i pha't them` bia mo*i'
> kho^?. Ddu'ng la` Pavlovian behavior ro^`i chu*' cha<?ng
> cho*i! :))
>
> Ian
>
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Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:59:08 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: re:[News] Gia?ng da.y tie^'ng Nha^.t tre^n truye^`n hi`nh VN
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311105541.10072E-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi ANh Thai,
That was only my decision. Please don't force me to compare the 1945
hunger deaths with other things. It would again violate the VNSA rules.
======================
"The motivation is also relevant in a crime" ( Somebody said it)
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Thai Nguyen wrote:
> >I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> >hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
>
> Anh Vie^.t a`, the^' thi` My~ va` Ta`u thi` sao? Cha(?ng nhe~ vi` My~ tha?
> Agent Orange dde^'n nay bie^'t bao tre? em vu`ng Qua?ng Tri. co`n chi.u ha^.u
> qua? hay tha`nh Tha(ng Long bi. ddo^'t bie^'t bao la^`n bo+?i qua^n ca'c trie^`u
> dda.i nha` Ha'n ma` mi`nh se~ ta^?y chay tie^'ng Anh, tie^'ng Hoa. Du` chi'nh
> phu? Nha^.t co' xin lo^~i ddi nu+~a cu~ng chi? vi` ba('t buo^.c chu+' ho. kho^ng
> thu+.c su+. nghi~ va^.y. Mi`nh nghi~ dde^? pho`ng ho+` ca'c tai hoa. mi`nh
> ca`ng pha?i hoa` nha^.p vo+'i ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c, chu+' kho^ng la`m sao ddoa'n
> ddu+o+.c ca'c nu+o+'c co+` ke^' tie^'p. Va? la.i du` ho. kho^ng xin lo^~i ma`
> mi`nh la.i tha lo^~i va` la^.t qua trang mo+'i thi` mi`nh la.i co' the^? tu+.
> ha`o, co' ddu'ng kho^ng?
>
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Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:05:29 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: The Japanese
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970311110353.10072F-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
OK Anh Huy,
I agree and said good bye to this thread.
Aiviet
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk wrote:
> Cha`o ba'c A'i Vie^.t,
>
> >> I will learn Japanese only after Japan officially apologizes the massive
> >> hunger deaths they caused in 1945 for no ideological motivations.
>
> Philosophically:
>
> Is causing massive deaths for ideological motivations any different/better?
> And perhaps they did have an ideology: serve the Japanese king by militarism.
> Besides, the Chinese, the French, the Americans all have caused massive
> deaths in Vietnam, and the British blocked Vietnamese independence in 1945.
> Last and not least, the North and the South caused massive deaths to each other.
>
> Pragmatically:
>
> Vietnam needs to be well integrated in the region to discourage Chinese
> opportunism.
>
> Huy
>
------------------------------
Topic No. 12
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:36:35 +0100
From: hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de (Dinh Thi Thanh Huong)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: truyen nga
Message-ID: <199703111536.QAA18101@riems.haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de>
A, co`n Turgeniev (?) va` "Mo^'i ti`nh dda^`u" nu+~a chu+', sao kho^ng
tha^'y ai nha('c dde^'n nhi?. To^i mua quye^?n truye^.n nga('n Turgeniev
ba(`ng tie^'ng Ddu+'c, ddo.c ddi ddo.c la.i va^~n tha^'y hay.
Huong
> From listserv@csd.uwm.edu Tue Mar 11 16:17 MET 1997
> Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:08:42 -0600 (CST)
> Originator: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> From: vu-ha-van@MATH.YALE.EDU (Ha Van Vu)
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: truyen nga
> X-Listprocessor-Version: 6.0c -- ListProcessor by Anastasios Kotsikonas
>
>
> Chao cac bac doc truyen nga,
>
> Hoi xua toi thich Dubroski voi Con gai vien dai uy cua Puskin lam,
> chua thay co ai nhac chuyen Puskin ca (con Dam pich thi chac ai cung biet).
>
> Hoi do van hoa Nga tran ngap, chang phai rieng truyen ma thoi, ca nhac quoc te
> chieu chu nhat cung bai hat nga la chinh. con da bong thi cung phan
> lon la truyen nhung tran co doi Nga.
> thanh ra cuoi cung ai nay deu co vu cho doi nay.
> Hoi cap 3. lop toi co bao nhieu co me anh thu mon dep trai Dasaev. (:=))
>
Co^ na`o va^.y ? Theo to+' nho+' thi` ho^`i ca^'p 2 co' ma^'y te^n me^ Dasaev,
chu+' kho^ng pha?i ca^'p 3.
> Best, Van
>
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Topic No. 13
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:26:41 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Ca^`n giu'p o+? Baltimore, Maryland USA
Message-ID: <199703111611.LAA02627@ns.kreative.net>
La`ng ta co' ba'c na`o hie^.n o+? Baltimore no'i tie^'ng Vie^.t (the^m ti'
tie^'ng Qua?ng thi` ca`ng to^'t) va` co' lo`ng tha`nh thi` co' gia ddi`nh
ca^`n giu'p ddo+~. Ho. ddang ga(.p kho' trong ngo^n ngu+~ va` nhu+~ng da`n
xe^'p ho.c ha`nh cho ba ddu+'a con tre?
Ho. ca^`n i't hu+o+'ng da^~n va` giu'p ddo+~ lai rai. Ba'c na`o giu'p
ddu+o+.c thi` bo+' to^i mo^.t tie^'ng.
Ca?m o+n nhie^`u.
Toa`n
------------------------------
Topic No. 14
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:23:42 -0500
From: To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: VKS tro`n 1 tuo^?i.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970311112337.006afc50@pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Cha`o ta^'t ca?,
Ca`ng nga`y su+. giao lu+u giu+~a hai List VKS va VNSA ca`ng ro^.ng ra~i
ne^'u nhu+ ba.n de^? y' nhu+~ng fwd ga^`n da^y ve^` tin tu+'c VN, ve^` va(n
tho+ giu+~a hai Lists.... The^m va`o do', ca`ng nga`y ca`ng co nhie^`u ba.n
(trong do' co' to^i) la` tha`nh vie^n cu?a ca? hai be^n, tuy ra(`ng su+.
do'ng go'p va` tham gia do^'i vo+'i tu+`ng List co' kha'c nhau vi` dieu
kien tho+`i gian, su phu` ho+.p...cu`ng vo+'i mo.i ly' do ma` ai cung co'
the^? nghi~ ra duo+.c khi thi'ch hay kho^ng thi'ch.
Ho^m qua Ba.n AnHai co' vie^'t mo^.t ba`i vo+'i tu+ ca'ch ca' nha^n ve^`
legality issue cua VNSA, trong do' co' ne^u ve^` Mandat cu?a List VNSA.
Xe't ve^` to^?ng the^?, mu.c tie^u cu?a hai Lists VNSA va VKS la` nhu+
nhau, ly' do vi` sao chu'ng ta van co' hai Lists cu~ng da du+o+.c ba.n
AnHai de^` ca^.p pha^`n na`o.
Ne^'u ba.n la` tha`nh vie^n "ke'p" nhu+ to^i hoa(.c nhu+ ngay ma^'y ba.n
Admins cu?a VNSA da^y thi` chu'ng ta tha^'y hai Lists co identity hoa`n
toa`n kha'c bie^.t nhau, ve^` no^.i dung tha?o lua^.n, ca'ch thu+'c tha?o
lua^.n, tha`nh pha^`n members.....
Su+. dda da.ng na`y la` die^`u ca^`n thie^'t de^? da'p u+'ng nhu ca^`u
cu?a tu+`ng ca' nha^n sinh vie^n va` luu hoc sinh Viet nam o nuoc ngoai.
Cu~ng nga`y ca`ng nhie^`u ba.n tu+` VNSA ho?i ve^` VKS.
To^i tha^'y mi`nh co' tra'ch nhie^.m giu'p ca'c ba.n hie^?u do^i die^`u ve
VKS ma` nga`y mai no' vu+`a tro`n 1 tuoi voi hon 4000 messages trao doi ve
tat ca ca'c chu? de^`.
No^.i dung du+o+'i da^y fwd tu+` ba`i cu?a VKS, bo+?i vay xin phe'p duoc
edit doi chu't cho phu hop va chi giu lai te^n ca'c members ke'p ma` toi
biet. Mong ca'c tha`nh vie^n ke'p bo? qua. Be^n VKS ca'c thanh vie^n co'
the^? bie^'t nhau, be^n VNSA thi kho^ng. Thu+.c ra to^i cung cha(?ng bie^'t
to^i dang no'i vo+'i ai da^y va` die^`u do' vo+'i to^i ra^'t quan tro.ng.
Cuo^'i cu`ng, la` mo^.t tha`nh vie^n cu?a hai Lists, to^i mong muo^'n ca'c
ba.n Du ho.c sinh cu?a List VNSA bie^'t de^'n va` gia nha^.p VKS va`
nguo+.c la.i. Ne^'u ba.n la` Du hoc sinh, chu'ng to^i nhu+~ng thanh vie^n
VKS tren VNSA san sa`ng giu'p ba.n da(ng ky' va`o VKS.
Tm, Tha`nh.
--------
Cha`o ca'c ba.n (xa, ga^`n) cu?a Viet-Khsv (VKS),
Nga`y mai, 12 tha('ng 3 na(m 1997 ... VKS tro`n 1 tuo^?i!
Tha^'m thoa't the^' ma` dda~ 1 na(m ke^? tu+` khi VKS ra ddo+`i. Tho^ng
ddie^.p dda^`u tie^n cu?a VKS ddu+o+.c pha't ddi lu'c 11:45:25 nga`y
12-3-1996 (gio+` Nha^.t Ba?n) dda~ chi'nh thu+'c ho'a su+. ra ddo+`i
Viet-Khsv cu?a chu'ng ta - mo^.t Mailing List phu.c vu. trao ddo^?i
tho^ng tin mo.i ma(.t (chu? ye^'u la` ve^` Vie^.t Nam), ho.c ho?i
la^~n nhau, gia?i tri' va` ca'c mu.c ddi'ch kha'c da`nh cho nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam ddang lu+u ho.c va` nghie^n cu+'u ta.i nu+o+'c ngoa`i.
VKS cu?a chu'ng ta, nhu+ vie^'t trong "lo+`i ngo?", ddu+o+.c kho+?i
xu+o+'ng bo+?i mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i VN sang lu+u ho.c, nghie^n cu+'u
ta.i Nha^.t do anh Ta. Anh Tha('ng ne^u sa'ng kie^'n va`o nga`y
17-2-1996.
Vie^.c hi`nh tha`nh VKS ra sao, vi` sao la^'y te^n VIET-KHSV, mu.c ddi'ch
va` pha.m vi hoa.t ddo^.ng ne^n the^' na`o, vv -- ddo' la` nhu+~ng
chu? dde^` no'ng bo?ng ma` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ta.o la^.p dda~ ba`n ba.c
lu'c ddo'.
Sau khi co^ng bo^', VKS ddu+o+.c ddie^`u ha`nh trong pha.m vi cho phe'p
cu?a Server ta.i 1 trung ta^m ti'nh toa'n cu?a AIST-NARA. Khi mo^.t
ca(n nha` "kho^ng cu+?a" thi` ai cu~ng co' the^? va`o ra ba^'t ke^?
lu'c na`o, vi` va^.y vie^.c "co' cu+?a" (ca? nghi~a "co' ngu+o+`i
thu+o+`ng tru+.c ddu+'ng ddo'n/ddu+a kha'ch va`o/ra NHA` cu?a chu'ng
ta") dda~ tro+? tha`nh nhu ca^`u ta^'t ye^'u (va` "ngu+o+`i thu+o+`ng
tru+.c" ddo' pha?i "no'i ba(`ng tie^'ng Vie^.t"). DDe^'n nay chu'ng
ta dda~ co' tre^n 4000 tho^ng ddie^.p ddu+o+.c lu+u ke^? tu+` 8-6-96.
VKS "lo+'n" da^`n do co^ng cha(m so'c, ddu`m bo.c, thu+o+ng ye^u cu?a
chi'nh mo^~i tha`nh vie^n chu'ng ta. DDe^'n nay VKS co' 151 members,
nhu+ng hie^.n
chi? co' 93 tha`nh vie^n nha^.n ca'c tho^ng ddie^.p tu+'c tho+`i (ON).
Nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i kha'c hoa(.c ddang ddi va('ng hoa(.c dda~ ve^` nu+o+'c.
VKS dda~ tu+`ng qua "nhu+~ng phu't tha(ng tra^`m", song chu'ng ta dda~
cu`ng nhau ta.o du+.ng ddu+o+.c VKS nhu+ nga`y nay kho^ng the^? kho^ng
ke^? dde^'n ta^m huye^'t ddo'ng go'p ban dda^`u cu?a ca'c anh Ho^` Tu' Ba?o
(JAIST), Nguye^~n Quang Kim (Ehime Univ), Le^ Ha?i Nam (TIT), Nguye^~n
Tro.ng Du~ng (JAIST),... VKS "lo+'n" ddu+o+.c, phong phu' ddu+o+.c do
pha^`n ddo'ng go'p quy' ba'u cu?a ca'c anh ....
To^ Long Tha`nh, No^ng Tua^'n Giang,... tu+` mu`a he` na(m ngoa'i, va`
tie^'p theo cu?a ca'c anh ..... Vu~ Tha`nh Ca, .......
... va` cu?a ca'c chi. ....... cu`ng ta^'t ca? ca'c anh chi em chu'ng ta
tu+` tru+o+'c dde^'n nay. VKS la` cu?a chi'nh mo^~i chu'ng ta,
kho^ng cu?a rie^ng ai
vi` va^.y VKS ddu+o+.c ca'c tha`nh vie^n xem nhu+ "nha` cu?a mi`nh"
khi xa que^ hu+o+ng tre^n dda^'t kha'ch que^ ngu+o+`i.
Nha^n di.p VKS "dda^`y na(m", VKS xin gu+?i to+'i ca'c anh chi. em ga^`n
xa lo+`i ca?m o+n cha^n tha`nh va` bie^'t o+n sa^u sa('c dda~ dde^'n va`
vui vo+'i VKS. DDe^? cho VKS nga`y ca`ng hu+~u i'ch ho+n, ra^'t mong ca?
nha` ta cu`ng co' nhu+~ng y' kie^'n trao ddo^?i, ma.n dda`m ve^` "nha` ta".
Cu~ng nha^n di.p na`y, VKS xin nho+` ca'c anh chi. em gu+?i lo+`i cha`o
tha^n thie^'t nha^'t to+'i nhu+~ng tha`nh vie^n cu~ cu?a VKS va` hy vo.ng
VKS so+'m co' di.p ga(.p ma(.t ddo^ng vui ta.i que^ nha`.
Xin chu'c ca'c anh chi. em su+'c kho?e, nie^`m vui, ha.nh phu'c, nhie^`u
ke^'t qua? trong ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u.
Tha^n me^'n,
Viet-Khsv (VKS).
---------------
Introduction to VIET-KHSV
=========================
VA`I LO+`I VE^` VIET-KHSV
1. VIET-KHSV la` te^n cu?a danh sa'ch trao ddo^?i tin tre^n ma.ng
Internet, kho+?i dda^`u bo+?i mo^.t so^' ngu+o+`i tu+` Vie^.t nam qua
Nha^.t ba?n ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u khoa ho.c. VIET-KHSV la`
vie^'t ta('t cu?a "nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i VIET nam la`m co^ng ta'c Khoa
Ho.c va` Sinh Vie^n", Viet-KhSv ddu+o+.c go.i ta('t la` VKS. VKS hie^.n
co' ca'c tha`nh vie^n ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u ta.i Nha^.t, U'c,
My~, DDu+'c, Bi?, Thu.y ddie^?n, Tie^.p, Hung, Ba Lan, va^n va^n.
2. VIET-KHSV la` danh sa'ch trao ddo^?i tin cu?a nhu+~ng tha`nh vie^n
hoa`n toa`n tu+. nguye^.n, thie^.n chi', muo^'n chia se? mo^.t so^'
quan ta^m chung, muo^'n co' the^m be` ba.n, vi`:
- pha^`n ddo^ng ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u ra?i ra'c xa nhau, mo^~i
ngu+o+`i chi? co' the^? bie^'t va`i ngu+o+`i trong co^.ng ddo^`ng, va`
ai cu~ng co' nhu ca^`u trao ddo^?i tho^ng tin ve^` Vie^.t nam.
- cu`ng may ma('n co' di.p ho.c ta^.p va` nghie^n cu+'u trong nhu+~ng
ddie^`u kie^.n ra^'t to^'t, nhu+ng kho' kha(n cu~ng tha^.t
nhie^`u. Chia se? tin tu+'c, kinh nghie^.m, ... cu~ng luo^n la` mo^.t
nhu ca^`u lo+'n.
- tuy co' nhie^`u ddie^`u kie^.n dde^? theo do~i tin tu+'c chung,
nhu+ng tho+`i gian mo^~i nga`y eo he.p, nguo^`n tin la.i qua' nhie^`u,
ddo^i khi co' nhu+~ng tin muo^'n ddu+o+.c trao ddo^?i the^m, muo^'n
ba'o cho ngu+o+`i kha'c bie^'t. The^m nu+~a, ddie^`u kie^.n su+? du.ng
ma'y ti'nh cu?a mo^~i ngu+o+`i mo^~i kha'c: ngu+o+`i co' workstation
rie^ng co' the^? du`ng suo^'t nga`y, ngu+o+`i thi?nh thoa?ng mo+'i
"va`o ma'y".
- va^n va^n.
4. VIET-KHSV hu+o+'ng dde^'n trao ddo^?i TIN co' i'ch chung cho mo.i
ngu+o+`i tham gia, co' the^? hi`nh dung gia?n di. nhu+ nhu+~ng trao
ddo^?i ha`ng nga`y cu?a chu'ng ta giu+~a be` ba.n. Kho^ng ha.n che^'
nhu+ng chu? ye^'u VIET-KHSV hu+o+'ng dde^'n:
(a) Nhu+~ng tin tu+'c giu'p cuo^.c so^'ng, ho.c ta^.p ddu+o+.c de^~
da`ng, hie^.u qua? ho+n:
- nhu+~ng ca^u ho?i, tha('c ma('c, ... ve^` cuo^.c so^'ng, nha`
tru+o+`ng, ho.c bo^?ng, thi cu+?; mo^.t so^' kinh nghie^.m ho.c,
nghie^n cu+'u, trong quan he^. vo+'i tha`y, ba.n (ngu+o+`i nu+o+'c
kha'c), ...
- tho^ng tin ve^` no+i, nga`nh mi`nh so^'ng va` ho.c,
- giu'p ddo+~ la^~n nhau khi co' ba.n be` tu+` no+i kha'c co' vie^.c
dde^'n vu`ng mi`nh;
- ca'c thu? tu.c cu?a nha` nu+o+'c: gia ha.n, thi. thu+.c xua^'t
nha^.p ca?nh, ba'o ca'o, ...
- kinh nghie^.m va` thu? tu.c xin visa ca'c nu+o+'c kha'c; mua ve'
ma'y bay re?;
- va^n va^n.
(b) Tho+`i su+. ve^` Vie^.t nam va` the^' gio+'i:
- ca'c nguo^`n tin tu+` ba'o chi', dda`i, tivi, tre^n ma.ng Internet,
...; Tin co' the^? do ba.n chua^?n bi., la^'y o+? no+i kha'c va` cho.n
lo.c, chuye^?n la.i cho mo.i ngu+o+`i. Cu~ng co' the^? chi? ca^`n
chi? ra di.a chi? hay ca'ch la^'y tin.
- ca'c tin tu+'c qua gia ddi`nh, ba.n be`, ... (nguo^`n rie^ng co'
the^? chia se?);
(c) Tin khoa ho.c, the^? thao, nghe^. thua^.t, va(n ho.c, ...
(d) Ca'c chuye^.n vui, gia?i tri', sa'ng ta'c, ...
5. DDe^? gia nha^.p VIET-KHSV:
- gu+?i email to+'i:
viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
- subject: ###!!!Gia nha^.p Viet-khsv (ALL)
- no^.i dung: lo+`i cha`o cu?a ba.n (ne^'u co') va` tu+. gio+'i thie^.u
theo ma^~u:
- Nguoi gioi thieu VIET-KHSV vo+'i ba.n:
Ho va ten:
Email-addr:
8. DDe^? gu+?i tin cho Viet-khsv:
- gu+?i email to+'i: viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
- Se~ vui bie^'t bao nhie^u ne^'u ba.n thu+o+`ng tha^'y Viet-khsv ddem
la.i cho mi`nh nhu+~ng tin "coi ddu+o+.c". Se~ quy' ho+n bie^'t bao
nhie^u ne^'u thi?nh thoa?ng ba.n da`nh chu't tho+`i gian quy' ba'u
cu?a mi`nh dde^? go'p pha^`n vo+'i Viet-khsv. Vi` Viet-khsv se~ chi?
to^`n ta.i va` phong phu' ho+n ne^'u co' ddo'ng go'p cu?a mo^~i
ngu+o+`i tham gia.
- Ne^'u ba.n chu+a dda(ng ky' tham gia VIET-KHSV, va` muo^'n no'i gi`
ddo' vo+'i VIET-KHSV, xin gu+?i tin cu?a ba.n tru+.c tie^'p to+'i VKS.
Tha^n me^'n,
Viet-KHSV@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
-------------------------------------
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Topic No. 15
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:32:45 -0500
From: To Long Thanh <to.6@osu.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Go'p chuye^.n ngo^n ngu+~/FWd tu VKS.
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970311113244.006b2748@pop.service.ohio-state.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:18:57 +0100
From: Pham TBH (Sweden).
Subject: [Viet-Khsv: 4108] Go'p chuye^.n ngo^n ngu+~
To: viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp
Cha`o ca'c ba.n,
Nha^n bu+~a no. no'i dde^'n chi'nh ta?, ngo^n ngu+~ ddi.a phu+o+ng, ro^`i
co' le~ pha?i the^m ca? loa.i "ngo^n ngu+~ li.ch su+."... to^i co' ma^'y
chuye^.n xin ke^? ha^`u ca'c ba.n. (Co`n va`i chuye^.n pha?i bo+'t la.i,
vi` ke^? thi` so+. ca'c ba.n nam se~ kie^.n "Chi. la^'n sa^n em")
--------------------------
Tre^n mo^.t chuye^'n xe Nghi~a lo^. - Ye^n Ba'i, ddu'ng lu'c xe ddang la('c
lu+ vu+o+.t do^'c thi` mo^.t o^ng da^n to^.c Me`o bo^~ng ddu+'ng da^.y,
xa^'n xo^? la'ch dde^'n ga^`n ghe^' la'i xe, ve? kha^?n ca^'p:
- Ma`y du+`ng xe cho tao la'i!
La'i xe:
- Tho^i ddi bo^'! La'i the^' na`o ddu+o+.c ma` ddo`i la'i!
- Tao muo^'n la'i ma`!
- Tho^i bo^' ve^` cho^~ ddi! La.i say ha??
- Tao muo^'n la'i la('m ro^`i. Ma`y ma` kho^ng cho tao xuo^'ng la'i tao
la'i ra xe ba^y gio+` dda^y na`y!
Ho'a ra o^ng cu. cu~ng co' "no^~i sa^`u rie^ng" nhu+ "ai ddo'" o+? VKS dda~
tho^? lo^., pha?i to^.i pha't a^m "dd" tha`nh "l"!
-------------------
Ba` Na(m o+? Ha` no^.i, mo^.t bu+~a nha` co' gio^~, mo+`i o^ng anh cho^`ng
o+? que^ ra du+.. Giu+~a lu'c nha` ddang ddo^ng kha'ch, toa`n ba.n la`m a(n
cu?a ba` chu? nha`, thi` o^ng anh cho^`ng go.i tu+o+'ng le^n "Thi'm Na(m
na`y, o+` the^' ddi dda'i o+? cho^~ na`o nha^?y? Go+'m, ra dda^y la.
nu+o+'c, la. ca'i, cha? bie^'t cho^~ na`o ma` la^`n". Ba` Na(m nguo+.ng
qua', chi? cho^~ xong lie^`n ghe' tai o^ng anh cho^`ng no'i nho?: "La^`n
sau ba'c cu+' ho?i cho^~ ru+?a tay ba'c nhe', no'i nhu+ ba'c ba^'t tie^.n
qua', o+? dda^y kho^ng nhu+ o+? que^ dda^u ba'c a.."
Va`i na(m sau, ba` Na(m mua dda^'t xa^y nha`. Ho^m kha'nh tha`nh nha` la.i
mo+`i o^ng anh cho^`ng va` ba.n be` "ha^?u". La^`n na`y, vi` la` nha`
mo+'i, ne^n ba` Na(m chu? ddo^.ng ho?i tru+o+'c: " Da. ba'c co' muo^'n
ru+?a tay thi` dde^? em chi? cho^~ cho ba'c!". O^ng anh cho^`ng dda'p oang
oang: "Tho^i thi'm a., tru+o+'c luc' va`o dda^y to^i dda~ ru+?a tay o+?
go^'c ca^y ngoa`i ddu+o+`ng ro^`i."
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Mo^.t ddo^i vo+. cho^`ng muo^'n to? ra thanh li.ch lie^`n da^.y con mo^~i
la^`n muo^'n ddi "te`" thi` pha?i no'i la` "con muo^'n ha't".
Mo^.t ho^m, o^ng no^.i ca^.u be' o+? que^ ra cho+i. Hai vo+. cho^`ng nha^n
di.p na`y xe^'p cho ca^.u con trai ngu? vo+'i o^ng no^.i o+? nha` ngoa`i.
Nu+?a dde^m, tha(`ng be' da^.y lay o^ng no^.i ba?o:
- O^ng o+i! Cha'u muo^'n ha't.
O^ng cu. nga.c nhie^n, tu+o+?ng cha'u mo+ ngu?:
- O^ hay! Ngu? ddi chu+' cha'u! Ha't ca'i gi` ma` ha't giu+~a dde^m the^'
na`y.
Tha(`ng be' kha^?n khoa?n:
- O^ng o+i, cha'u muo^'n ha't tha^.t ma`!
O^ng cu. va^~n thi` tha`o:
- Ngu? ddi, dde^? ye^n cho bo^' me. ma`y ngu?. Mai ha't cha'u a.
Tha(`ng be' me^'u ma'o:
- O^ng o+i, cha'u muo^'n ha't la('m ro^`i! Hu hu...
O^ng cu. bu+.c mi`nh tha^.t su+.:
- Con ca'i nha`! DDe^? mai tao ho?i to^.i bo^' me. ma`y. Kho^ng ngo+`
chu'ng no' la.i nuo^ng chie^`u con dde^'n the^' na`y. Tho^i, ma`y muo^'n
ha't thi` ha't ddi, nhu+ng ha't nho? nho? va`o tai o^ng dda^y na`y!
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O+? vie^.n to^i co' le^. la` chi. em ra^'t hay ru? nhau cu`ng ddi... WC.
(Strange? Pha?i, vie^.n to^i thi` kho^ng thie^'u gi` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i va
nhu+~ng chuye^.n strange). Co' ddie^`u, vi` toa`n nhu+~ng "vie^.n si~" ca?
ne^n ru? nhau cu~ng pha?i "ni.ch su+.". Bo+?i va^.y, mo^~i la^`n Thu?y be'o
sang be^n pho`ng to^i, ddu+'ng cho^'ng na.nh, ha'ch di.ch: "DDa~ co+m
nu+o+'c gi` chu+?a?", thi` nghi~a la` ai co' "no^~i buo^`n" ne^n ddi vo+'i
no'.
Co`n V., ba.n cu`ng Lab vo+'i to^i thi` go.i WC la` "no+i Vua cu~ng pha?i
ddi bo^."
Mo^.t ho^m, vu+`a nghe Thu?y "do'ng", to^i lie^`n ddu+'ng da^.y, la(?ng
la(.ng ra ngoa`i. Hai chi. em mo+'i ddi ddu+o+.c ma^'y bu+o+'c thi` V.
la^.t dda^.t cha.y theo:
- Na`y! Na`y! Ba.n ddi dda^u dda^'y?
Ba^'t ngo+` qua', to^i ddo+` ma(.t:
- Thi`... to^i... ddi a(n co+m. (cu~ng may lu'c a^'y ga^`n tru+a ro^`i.)
Cha(?ng ngo+`, V. ho+'n ho+?:
- Cho to^i ddi vo+'i!
To^i luo^'ng cuo^'ng:
- A^'y! DDe^? la't nu+~a to^i se~ quay ve^` go.i ba.n.
- O+! The^' ba.n ddi.nh a(n xong mo+'i ve^` go.i to^i cha('c?
Thu?y be'o ddang "ca` cuo^'ng" ne^n kho^ng the^? kie^n nha^~n du+o+.c
nu+~a, no' qua't le^n:
- Anh co' quay ve^` hay kho^ng thi` ba?o! Em vo+'i chi. a^'y co`n ddi
dde^'n ca'i cho^~ ma` "Vua cu~ng pha?i ddi bo^." nha` anh dda^'y!
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Topic No. 16
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:36:53 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: [film]"Thu+o+ng Nho+' DDo^`ng Que^" ddu+o+.c gia?i ta.i Fribourg
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.970311082825.21683C-100000@peony.cs.washington.edu>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c, sa'ng ra dda~ tha^'y co' nhie^`u chuye^.n hay qu'a,
chuye^.n na`o cu~ng muo^'n nha?y va`o. Nhu+ng co' le~ dda`nh cho+` dde^'n
to^'i va^.y.
Truye^.n "Thu+o+ng nho+' ddo^`ng que^" cu?a Ng~ Huy Thie^.p dda~ dda(ng
tre^n VNSA. Ba'c na`o muo^'n ddo.c thi` cu+' me`o cho to^i hoa(.c va`o
VNSA Webpage
ta.i http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/anhai/vnsa/vnsa.html ma` lu.c
lo.i. Kho archive la` no+i co^ng co^.ng, mong ca'c ba'c cu+' tu+. nhie^n
nhu+ ruo^`i.
Nghe ba?o Le^ Va^n ddo'ng vai Quye^n, co^ be' ddi du ho.c My~ ve^` tha(m
la`ng trong phim na`y. Va`i ho^m nu+~a co`n ba`i ve^` Le^ Va^n se~ dda(ng
cho ca'c ba'c ddo.c. Ha?i.
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- Phim Vie^.t Nam Du+. Lie^n Hoan DDie^.n A?nh Quo^'c Te^' Ta.i
Fribourg, Thu.y Si~ .
(Fribourg - AFP) To^'i nga`y 9/3/97, Bo^. phim "Thu+o+ng Nho+'
DDo^`ng Que^" cu?a dda.o die^~n DDa(.ng Nha^.t Minh ddu+o+.c trao
ta(.ng gia?i thu+o+?ng Co^ng Chu'ng (Prix du Pubkic) ta.i Lie^n
hoan ddie^.n a?nh quo^'c te^' Fribourg la^`n thu+' 11 o+? Thu.y
Si~. Bo^. phim na`y cu~ng ddu+o+.c trao ta(.ng ba(`ng khen dda(.c
bie^.t cu?a ban gia'm kha?o gio+'i tre?.
Gia?i nha^'t cu?a lie^n hoan ddie^.n a?nh Fribourg ddu+o+.c trao
cho bo^. phim Trung Quo^'c "Ma^y va` mu+a tre^n mie^`n Co^n So+n
" cu?a dda.o die^~n Tru+o+ng Minh, ke^? ve^` cuo^.c so^'ng cu?a
mo^.t tha`nh pho^' nho? sa('p bi. nga^.p nu+o+'c va` bie^'n ma^'t
tre^n ba?n ddo^` vo+'i vie^.c xa^y ca^'t dda^.p Tam Kha^?u tre^n
so^ng Du+o+ng Tu+?.
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Topic No. 17
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:56:42 -0600
From: Thanh Dang Nguyen <Nguyen.Dang.Thanh@Eng.Auburn.EDU>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Cc: nguyet1@Eng.Auburn.EDU
Subject: The State of Things
Message-ID: <199703111656.KAA11042@asimov.eng.auburn.edu>
Dear Hai and other art lovers,
> Hope that somehow convince you of seeing them :-). Please let us know how
> you feel afterwards.
Since nearly all of our dear list members were unanimous in this Chinese
movie thread, I guess I need to overcome my ambivalence for Asian
cinema. I hereby make a solemn promise that I will watch all of them
in the coming spring break :) I will share my experience with you
afterwards. Thanks for the recommendation!
> There are also many excellent Japanese films. In fact, Japanese films
> constitute quite a "cult" here in the US.
I don't know of any Japanese cult movies. I saw a commercial of
such a film (the title was "The Iron Man"), but it didn't attract me.
BTW, although I respect the underground movement (as opposed to
the slick Hollywood movies industry), we need to be extremely careful
in judging their artistic values. As I said before, open-mindedness is
important in approaching any art form, but at the same time self-indulgence
should be avoided. About my Japanese experience, the only director I know
is Akira Kurosawa, whose works include the spectacular "Ran" (a Japanese
adaptation of Shakespeare's King Lear story) and "The Seven Samurai"
(have you seen the American version of it, a Western titled "The
Magnificent Seven"?) BTW, the first pornographic movie in my life
was a Japanese one with title "In the Realm of the Senses" (in Hungarian,
"Az erzekek birodalma"). It's a three-star movie in Hungary, and was shown
only for a special occasion. Probably I met some of you guys there, since
as far as I can remember, half of the theater were Vietnamese :) It's really
a hardcore, and was a shock for people who like soft movies like
"Lady Chatterley's Lover", or "Emanuelle". No personal comment here!
> I don't remember many Eastern block films, but I can never forget
> some of the titles, eg Nhu+~ng -du+'a con cua? Ga^'u me. vi~
> -da.i--what a name! Great stuffs for us kids.
Sounds great indeed! It still sticks in my mind, even I don't remember
the film itself. BTW, I remember that back then we used to make up
some funny stories which used mainly movies titles (like the one
which only contains words beginning with the letter "t"). Do you guys
remember any one of these?
> What do you think of American films? They seem to be very popular
> in Vietnam. And Vietnamese films seem to be very unpopular. Do you
> think that the Vietnamese film industry can survive without subsidy?
Most of American movies suck! (off the hat for the exceptions) It's
really a business, not art anymore. If you want cheap thrills, then it's
not a problem; but if you want a lifetime experience, you get stuck with
them. Today each time they make a new movie, you can see a big commercial
fuss all around (movie, soundtrack CD, collectible toys for kids, T-shirts,
and so on). And too much violence, less sincere human feelings, less
life-like situations. Filmmakers try to captivate the audience by using
excessive amount of special effects and twisted plots, rather than saying
something original and thought provoking. I do not want to generalize here,
but my feeling is that it's a current tendency.
I'm skeptical about the popular culture in general, including our
country. Everything now is a business, and who would want to make
a movie for a few "crazy" fans. One solution is to make a simple but
original movie, try to manage the resources as efficiently as possible,
since Vietnamese filmmakers apparently can't compete with their American
or Hong Kong colleagues. BTW, imitation is always a poor approach in
art. Since I really doubt that our government would support these
projects, independent funds should be established; another way is
to join different cooperations with the countries in our region
(the way the Europeans tried to do so far). But overall, it's still
a headache I think :-(
About the Vietnamese public, I think they (mostly young people) are
manipulated by the misconception about what a good movie is. People
from poor country usually see America as the ideal place for
everything, and they find it in Hollywood movies (expensive cars,
good-looking, famous stars, different life styles etc.) -- if
Hollywood filmmakers know one thing very well, that must be the
fact that they are professional in manipulating our senses.
Often you hate the movie, but still keep watching it. The only
way out here is to educate people, and expose them to different
cultures; but again, we're back to the problem of support, ie.
money (a vicious circle, isn't it?) I'm really sad to see that most
people adore Hollywood movies without good reasoning or thinking
("it's cool because Mel Gibson and Demi Moore play in it, because
they spend 50+ million dollars on it (so what?), because it is nominated
to 10 Oscars ...", and so on). We need to see the mainstream movies, but
should be able to tell their artistic values *ourselves*. Not what the
mass media tell us.
Dear friends, I'm still skeptical ...
Bye for now,
-Thanh
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