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VNSA-L digest 284
VNSA-L Digest 284
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) [Y'] du`ng chu+~ Vie^.t trong NT?
by "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
2) Re: Subject: Help me!!!
by Thanh Tung Truong <tung.truong@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
3) Re: YES IT'S 9867312
by Pham Thi Thanh Hong <smm68490@ait.ac.th>
4) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
5) Re: China & Vietnam
by Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
6) Math problem
by Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
7) [TRUYE^.N] Bie^'n ta^'u ddo+`i thu+o+`ng
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
8) China & Vietnam
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
9) China & Vietnam
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
10) VN contra Chine
by Sonnet Nguyen <Sonnet.Nguyen@fuw.edu.pl>
11) Re: China & Vietnam
by Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
12) Congratulation ba'c La^m !!
by Minh Vu Huynh <huynm000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
13) Re: Math problem
by Pham Thi Thanh Hong <smm68490@ait.ac.th>
14) Re: VN contra Chine
by nguyen.d@ccmail.cgi.fr
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Topic No. 1
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 01:42:06 -0500
From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
To: <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: [Y'] du`ng chu+~ Vie^.t trong NT?
Message-ID: <199703190625.BAA16097@ns.kreative.net>
Cuo^'i tua^`n qua to^i ngo^`i pha' NT mo^.t ti', tie^'c qua' chu+a co' di.p
thu+? tro` na`y:
Cho dde^'n nay chu+a co' mo^.t gia?i pha'p mie^~n phi' dde^? dda'nh chu+~
Vie^.t trong NT. Nhu+~ng ba`n dda'nh chu+~ tho^ng du.ng kho^ng cha.y trong
NT vi` ca^'u tru'c du`ng hooks la` va^'n dde^`.
Va^.y to^i nghi~ co' the^? mo^.t gia?i pha'p ra^'t ta.m tho+`i la` dda'nh
da.ng VIRQ/VietNet (da.ng ddang du`ng trong e-mail na`y) ro^`i ddem
chuye^?n qua chu+~ Vie^.t du`ng mo^.t converter na`o ddo' (VNconvert, hay
converter cu?a VISCII mie^~n la` cha.y trong NT) ma` chuye^?n va`o da.ng
chu+~ Vie^.t. Ma^'t co^ng mo^.t bu+o+'c, nhu+ng co' the^? ddu+o+.c?
Tie^'c ra(`ng tui chu+a thu+? ddu+o+.c xem ca'i converter na`o thi` cha.y,
ca'i na`o kho^ng.
Ca'c ba'c kie^?m chu+'ng giu`m y' na`y ro^`i cho bie^'t. (to^i kho^ng co'
NT).
Toa`n,
TB: Ta^'t nhie^n no^?i ma'u tu+. a'i thi` cu+' bo? tra(m ma^'y ba.c mua VNI
ma` xa`i--ma` tui ghe't ddo^` vo^ duye^n cu?a VNI la('m, co' tu+. a'i cu~ng
kho^ng no^?i!
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Topic No. 2
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:45:10 -0800
From: Thanh Tung Truong <tung.truong@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Subject: Help me!!!
Message-ID: <33300A06.53FC@e-technik.tu-chemnitz.de>
Chao anh Anh Tuan,
toi co dia chi s-mail va so dien thoai cua mot Cybercafe o Saigon, dang
tiec khong co dia chi e-mail.
Cybercafe address: 87 Tran Quang Khai
Street, District One, HCMC. Phone number: (84-8) 8438795.
Owner: Tom Rapp.
Thanh-Tung Truong
You wrote:
>
> Cha`o ca'c anh chi.!
> To^i muo^'n gu+?i thu+ cho gia ddi`nh o+? Sa`i Go`n VN. Nghe no'i co'
> ca'c
> di.ch vu. Cyber Ca` Phe^ o+? Sa`i Go`n, anh chi. na`o bie^'t ro~ ve^`
> di.ch vu. na`y xin cho bie^'t tho^ng tin. Xin ca?m o+n nhie^`u.
> DDi.a chi? cu?a to^i tn146564@zodiac2.mimuw.edu.pl
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Topic No. 3
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:09:30 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Pham Thi Thanh Hong <smm68490@ait.ac.th>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: YES IT'S 9867312
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970319160809.5607A-100000@alphaserv.ait.ac.th>
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Thu-Huong Tran wrote:
> The answer is N=679
>
> TH
> -----
>
> > Here is another problem for you: Find the smallest
> >integer number N, so that N! is divisible by 7^100 [e.g. 7 to
> >the power of 100].
> >
Hi Thu Huong,
The number must be 609.
Check it, OK!
H
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Topic No. 4
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:30:55 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
Message-ID: <9703190930.AA21330@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
>
> Hi ba'c Tie^'n,
>
> Ba'c co' lo'i ngo.ng "ma(.t na." tha`nh "ma(.t la." k0 ddo'. Tui ho?i
> tha`nh thu+.c vi` tui k0 hie^?u (va` cu~ng k0 ca?m dduo+.c) ca^u cuo^'i
> cu?a ba'c.
Hi` hi` hi`, ngoa`i ddo+`i thi` chuye^n mo^n "lo'i" the^'\.
Nhu+ng trong tho+ thi` cha? bao gio+` no'i the^'.
"Ma(.t la." ddo' nghe ba'c, to^i cha? to gan lo+'n ma^.t
dda^u ma` vie^'t "ma(.t na.". Ba'c kho^ng ca?m ddu+o+.c thi`
cha('c ta.i ca'i ta`i cu?a to^i no' hu+~u ha.n qua', vie^'t
ra cha? ai hie^?u\.
Ba'c nga`y xu+a danh tie^'ng la^~y lu+`ng tu+` DDo^ng sang
Ta^y, que^ no^.i que^ ngoa.i kho^ng ai kho^ng bie^'t\.
Va^.y ma` ba^y gio+` hi`nh nhu+ ho+i "la.". Co' ddie^`u
muo^'n ho?i nhu+ng kho^ng ddem ho?i ddu+o+.c, dda`nh
ngo^`i ddo+.i ca^u tra? lo+`i o+? tu+o+ng lai khi ca'i
"la." ro+'t ma^'t, co`n la.i ca'i ...
Cheers,
Tie^'n.
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Topic No. 5
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:14:48 +0100 (MET)
From: Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970319090903.4041A-100000@dutmpw3.tudelft.nl>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
Vu~ tie^n sinh co' ba`i phan ti'ch hay qua'. Mong tien sinh tie^'p tu.c
pha't huy de^? anh em co`n dduoc hoc ho?i da`i da`i.
Nghe tin tu.i ta`u khoan da^`u o+? bie^?n DDo^ng, tui dda^y cu~ng tha^'y
no'ng ruo^.t qua'.
Vu~ tie^n sinh a`, the question is: What can Vietnam do now?
Nhu+ ba'c dda~ no'i, Vietnam kho^ng co' lien minh qua^n su+. vo+'i ai
he^'t. Ma` muo^'n lie^n ke^'t qua^n su+. voi ai ddo' cu~ng dda^u pha?i
chuye^.n nga`y mo^.t nga`y hai ma` la`m ddu+o+.c. Theo ba'c thi` Vietnam
hie^n nay co' kha? na(ng lie^n ke^'t vo+'i ai?
Theo thie^?n y' cu?a tui chi? co' ca(.p bo^` vo+'i My~ la` tha(`ng ta`u
no' co`n ne^? chu't ddi?nh. Nhu+ng kinh nghie^.m chua cay cu?a
Vietnam Conghoa nga`y xua bi. My~ bo~ ro+i do.c ddu+o+`ng co`n ddo'. Ai
da'm cha('c ra(`ng tui My~ ve^` la^u ve^` da`i se~ kho^ng ddem co^'ng
Vietnam cho ta`u dde^? kie^'m va`i mo'n lo+.i
Ho+n nu+?a chu+a cha('c la` My~ muo^'n chi`a ca'nh tay sa('t
the'p cu?a ha('n ra cho Vietnam bi'u la^'y lu'c na`y.
Tui ddo^`ng y' voi ba'c La^m la` Nha^.t khong muon Trung Quoc
bo+`-lo^'c-ke^ con dduong han`g hai xuyen bien DDong (gh'et thang ta`u qua'
kho^ng muo^'n vie^'t South-Chinese Sea nu+?a) Nhu+ng lie^.u Nha^.t co' la`
mo^.t potential military partner for Vietnam? Theo su+. hie^?u bie^'t i't o?i
cu?a tui, mo^.t lie^n ke^'t qua^n su+. (hoa(.c mang ma`u sa('c qua^n su+)
giu+?a Nha^.t va` mo^.t SEA country na`o dd0' se~ da^~n dde^'n protest trong
ca~ khu vu+.c. DDe^. Nhi. The^' Chie^'n ke^'t thu'c dda~ ho+n 50 na(m, nhu+ng
nhu+~ng ho^`i tu+o+?ng ve^` tho+`i ky` ddo' co' ve~ nhu+ va^~n chu+a
la('ng.
OK, cu+' gia? su+? la` mo^.t tho?a thua^.n ve^` ho+p ta'c qua^n su+.
giu+?a VN va` Nha^.t la` "real" , tui va^~n kho^ng nhi`n
tha^'y ddu+o+.c la` VN se~ more secure. Vi` sao? Vi` tui lo ra(`ng Nha^.t
se~ kho^ng tie^'n ha`nh ba^'t cu+' mo^.t military operation na`o ngoa`i
la~nh ddi.a va` la~nh ha?i cu?a ho. trong tha^.p ky~ na`y. Chuye^.n ddo'
va^~n co`n nha.y ca?m la('m.
Ba'c Tuan Pham ho?i "what about Taiwan?". Thu' tha^.t la` tui kho^ng tin
Taiwan. Cu~ng ta`u ca~ tho^i. Va` Taiwan cu~ng va^~n ga^n co^? le^n ddo`i
Tru+o+`ng Sa dda^'y tho^i.
Ma^'y ba'c co' the^? go.i tui la` pessimist nhu+ng tui tha^'y ti`nh
hi`nh bi dda't la('m ro^`i.
Ngoa.i tru+` ...
Ngoa.i tru+` ta ne^.n cho ca'i ta`u khoan cu?a tui. ta`u va`i pha't
te^n lu+?a ro^`i cha^'p nha^.n chie^'n tranh.
"Tuye^n bo^' la(ng nha(ng, thie^'u tra'ch nhie^.m!" Cha('c co' ba'c na`o
ddo' se~ chi?nh tui nhu+ va^.y.
- OK! OK! Tui cu~ng hie^?u la` dda'nh nhau thi` da^n ta la.i kho^?; kinh
te^' vu+`a mo+'i pha^'t le^n la.i se~ tie^u ddie^`u; ro^`i to^n tha^'t
ve^` ngu+o+`i ...
- Tui cu~ng hie^?u la` tha(`ng ta`u ba^y gio+` ma.nh ho+n ta nhie^`u la('m.
Chi? ve^` ma(.t ha?i qua^n ma` no'i tu.i no' dda~ ddu~ su+'c dde` be.p ta
ro^`i. (kho^ng hie^?u hai quan VN dda~ co' ta`u sa^n bay va` ta`u nga^`m
chu+a nhi?). No' ma` cho+i chie^'n tranh toa`n die^.n ca?
ha?i-lu.c-kho^ng qua^n thi` nguy to chu+' kho^ng pha?i ddu`a.
Tho^i thi` kho^ng dda'nh nhau va^.y.
- Co' nghia~ la` nha('m ma('t la la`ng dde^? cho tui. no' tho^n ti'nh
nu+o+'c ta tu+`ng pha^`n. Vo+'i ca'i dda` na`y cha(?ng cho'ng thi` cha`y
tha(`ng ta`u la.i chiem het ca? ca'i Tru+o+`ng Sa. Ai bie^'t ddu+o+.c la`
sau dda^'y ha('n la.i kho^ng kie^u nga.o ddo`i ca? Con So+n (cu~ng da^`u khi'
ca? ma` li.).
- Ne^'u tha(`ng ta`u la^'y ddu+o+.c ca'i Tru+o+`ng Sa thi` tu+` Hainam dden
Tru+o+`ng Sa, ca? vu`ng offshore cu?a Vietnam na(`m du+o+'i su+. kie^?m
soa't cu?a ha('n. Toa`n khu vu+.c co' nhu+~ng ca~ng quan tro.ng ca? nhe'.
Ha?ipho`ng, Vinh, Da`nang, (new) Dung Quat, Camranh ... Ro^`i ca? mo^.t
vu`ng the^`m lu.c ddi.a ro^ng lo+'n vo+'i mo^.t tru+? lu+o+.ng da^`u
khi' dda'ng ke^? cu~ng ve^` tay ha('n luo^n.
Lu'c a^'y ne^'u ta muo^'n pha't trie^?n kinh te^' bi`nh thu+o+`ng lie^.u
co' ddu+o+.c kho^ng?
- Hay la` ta thu+.c hie^.n "hai bu+o+'c lu`i mo^.t bu+o+'c tie^'n", i.e.
cu+' dde^? cho ha('n la^'y no^'t ca'i Tru+o+`ng Sa. Ta thi` nha^~n
nhu.c luye^.n no^.i co^ng cho to+'i khi tha^m ha^.u thi` xuo^'ng nu'i
phu.c thu`. A^'y y' tui muo^'n no'i la` ta cu+' nhi.n nhu.c dde^? pha't
trie^?n kinh te^', dde^? da`nh tie^`n mua su'ng o^'ng dda.n
du+o+.c. DDe^'n khi ta ddu~ ma.nh ro^`i thi` ta ca^'t qua^n ddi
dda'nh la^'y la.i ca? hai qua^`n dda?o.
Y' na`y xem ra ho+i a?o tu+o+?ng. Thang ta`u no' cu~ng pha't trie^?n kinh
te^' va^.y va` no' cu~ng bo? tie^`n ra mua su'ng dda.n va^.y (va` no'
co`n co' ca? bom nguye^n tu+? nu+?a dda^'y ca'c ba'c a.)
Kinh nghie^.m Falkland va^~n co`n ddo'. Chie^'m la.i mo^t pha^`n la?nh
tho^? kho^ng pha?i la` chuye^.n ddi picnic. Ve^` khoa?ng ca'ch ma` no'i Anh
quo^'c na(`m xa Falkland ho+n tu+` Hainam dde^'n Hoa`ngSa va` Tru+o+`ng
Sa.
- Tui co' ca?m gia'c la` My~ va` ca'c cu+o+`ng quo^'c kha'c se~ giu+?
tha'i ddo^. ba`ng quang nhu+ hie^n nay ne^'u Vietnam chi? du+`ng la.i o+?
mu+'c ke^u ga`o. Tu+ ba?n ma` li.: "Da^`u Vie^.t hay da^`u ta`u dde^`u
to^'t ca?, mie^~n sao ba'n ddu+o+.c tre^n $18 per barrel" :-).
Nhu+ng gia? su+? la` chie^'n tranh bu`ng no^?, co' the^? ho. se~ pha?i
thay ddo^?i tha'i ddo^. cha(ng? Tai sao u+?
Crisis o v`ung SEA cha('c cha('n se~ a?nh hu+o+?ng dde^'n kinh te^' the^'
gio+'i. Tuye^'n ddu+o+`ng ha`ng ha?i tu+` Trung Ca^.n DDo^ng sang DDo^ng
A' se~ bi. ta('t nghe?n. Ha`nh lang kho^ng va^.n DDo^ng A'- DDo^ng Nam A'
se~ bi. blocked. May ra lu'c a^'y My~, Nha^.t va` ca'c tay gia`u su.
kha'c mo+'i ra tay can thie^.p.
Cho ne^n tui nghi? la` Vietnam ngay ba^y gio+` pha?i lu+a cho.n
1/. Cha^'p nha^.n ma^'t dda^'t (dda~ ma^'t la` ma^'t ha(?n va` ma^'t the^m da`i
da`i) cho dde^'n khi ta ma.nh thi` ta`u ha('n tho^i do+? tro` la^'n
dda^'t. (Chi? so+. ra(`ng dde^'n lu'c a^'y cha(?ng co`n dda^'t nu+?a
dde^? ma` ma^'t. Va` cu~ng so+. ra(`ng ta cha? bao gio+` ma.nh ho+n
ha('n ddu=o+.c)
2/. Tie^'n ha`nh tru+ng ca^`u da^n y' - mo^.t hi`nh thu+'c Hoi Nghi. Die^n
Ho^`ng - ho?i da^n ta ne^n ho`a hay chie^'n. Ne^'u lo`ng da^n quye^'t
chie^'n thi` ta cu+' tuye^n chie^'n vo+'i ha('n. Ne^'u ca^`n thi` toa`n
quo^'c kha'ng chie^'n. DDu+o.c a(n ca?, nga~ ve^` kho^ng.
La`m nha`n tai, nha`m ma('t ca'c ba'c nhu+ va^.y la` ddu~ ro^`i.
Tui ho+i bi. "di. u+'ng ta`u", ne^n nhie^`u die^`u to^i vie^'t ra o+?
dda^y co' the^? co' pha^`n emotional va` kho^ng ddu+o+.c sa^u sa('c.
Mong ca'c ba'c bo? qua cho.
Regards, Buu-Long
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Topic No. 6
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:37:34 +1000
From: Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Math problem
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970319212721.2cf74de8@gimr.garvan.unsw.edu.au>
Hello Thu Huong and Thanh Hong,
You are very smart, that is the correct number (679). But, you have
not told us how did you arrive at the number! Please do.
Cheers,
Tuan V Nguyen
>On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Thu-Huong Tran wrote:
>
>> The answer is N=679
>>
>> TH
>> -----
>>
>> > Here is another problem for you: Find the smallest
>> >integer number N, so that N! is divisible by 7^100 [e.g. 7 to
>> >the power of 100].
>> >
>
>Hi Thu Huong,
>
>The number must be 609.
>
>Check it, OK!
>
>H
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Topic No. 7
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 04:06:05 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: [TRUYE^.N] Bie^'n ta^'u ddo+`i thu+o+`ng
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.970319040109.3596A-100000@june.cs.washington.edu>
Ba'o VN Service
===============
Ta'c pha^?m tuo^?i xanh
Bie^'n ta^'u ddo+`i thu+o+`ng
Truye^.n nga('n cu?a Song Ha` (DdHQG Ha` No^.i) Ta(.ng thu+o+?ng chi'nh
thu+'c ta'c pha^?m tuo^?i xanh na(m 1996 Ba'o Tie^`n Phong So^' 22
(18/3/1997)
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"Bie^'n ta^'u ddo+`i thu+o+`ng" ddu+o+.c Song Ha` vie^'t ra^'t gia?n di.,
kho^ng to? ra sa('c sa?o, qua' la`m ngu+o+`i ta ma^'t ca?m ti`nh. Ta'c
gia? kho^ng co^' ta.o ra ca'i "Ddo^. la.nh" cho ta'c pha^?m, chi? ke^?
chuye^.n va` ca'i gio.ng buo^`n buo^`n a^'y ca`ng ga^y hie^.u qua?, ke^?
ve^` nhu+~ng ca'i ghe^ go+'m, ma` ke^? nhu+ kho^ng. Ddo.c truye^.n nga('n
na`y xong ngu+o+`i ta cu~ng tha^'y buo^`n. Nhu+ng tho^ng ca?m vo^ cu`ng
vo+'i u+o+'c a'o to^'t dde.p cu?a ta'c gia?, u+o+'c ao sao cho con
ngu+o+`i ddu+`ng dde^? mi`nh ma^'t hu't giu+~a the^' gio+'i la.nh le~o
cu?a tie^`n ba.c. Ta'c gia? tha thie^'t u+o+'c ao va` chu'ng ta, nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i ddo.c cu~ng mong sao cho "nga`y xu+a" cu?a ngu+o+`i cha ddu+`ng
che^'t, mong sao cho con ngu+o+`i ha~y to^'t dde.p vo+'i nhau ho+n... Nha`
va(n Le^ Minh Khue^
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1. Dde^m la(.ng lo+`, tu+`ng ddo+.t gio' hun hu't lu`a sa^u qua cu+?a
so^?, bi`nh hoa ba^'t tu+? tre^n ba`n chao dda?o ro^`i ddo^? xuo^'ng vo+~
tan.
Em ru`ng mi`nh vi` ca?m gia'c la.nh le~o ddang va^y phu? kha('p ca(n
pho`ng. Ho+n bao gio+` he^'t tra.ng tha'i ba^'t o^?n ga^`n nhu+ la` hoa?ng
ho^'t xa^m chie^'m va` do^`n ne'n em dde^'n ta^.n cu`ng.
Cho+.t nghe va(ng va(?ng mo^.t thu+' a^m thanh sa('c la.nh, ban dda^`u
co`n ye^'u o+'t, da^`n da^`n ro~ ra`ng ho+n. Em tho` dda^`u ra kho?i
cha(n, tai hu+o+'ng qua cu+?a so^?. "Ee'c...e'ec!" tie^'ng ke^u nhu+ bi.
nghe.t la.i ro^`i thoa't ra na~o nu`ng, kha('c khoa?i.
Em nha^.n ra tie^'ng chim lo+.n a(n dde^m, ho^`i nho? nghe tie^'ng ke^u
ro+`n ro+.n cu?a no' em ra^'t so+.. Kho^ng hie^?u sao ba^y gio+` em la.i
ca?m tha^'y thanh tha?n nhe. nha`ng ho+n khi nghe thu+' a^m thanh na~o
nu`ng a^'y. "Ee'c...e'ec!". Em tho` ca? dda^`u ra cu+?a hun hu't gio'
dde^? theo do~i tu+`ng tie^'ng dda^.p ca'nh pha^`n pha^.t.
Buo^?i sa'ng. Ti?nh da^.y tha^'y dda^`u o'c thanh tha?n ho+n nhu+ng nho+'
ky' tu'c ghe^ go+'m trong dda^`u em la^n lu+o+.t hie^.n le^n khuo^n ma(.t
da'ng da^'p tu+`ng ddu+'a trong pho`ng.
Ho^m tha^`y chu? nhie^.m tho^ng ba'o "lo+'p nghi? nu+?a tha'ng dde^? ddi
thu+.c ta^.p o+? Hue^'", em sung su+o+'ng ga`o toa'ng le^n vi` sa('p
ddu+o+.c ve^` nha`. Ca(n nha` la.nh le~o ma` em tu+`ng co ro trong ddo'.
Va^.y ma` vu+`a cha^n u+o+'t cha^n ra'o ve^` ddu+o+.c ma^'y nga`y em dda~
nho+' co^`n ca`o ca'i no+i ma` mi`nh tu+`ng ruo^`ng ra^~y.
2. Ma(.c du` ddu+o+.c cha tho^ng ba'o tru+o+'c "o+? que^ gio+` nhu+ pho^'
ro^`i" em va^~n lo+ ngo+ la'o nga'o nhu+ la.c va`o mo^.t vu`ng ngoa.i o^
Ha` No^.i. Pha?i dde^'n 3 na(m ro^`i em chu+a ve^` la.i no+i dda^y, ne^n
ho+n nu+?a tie^'ng vo`ng vo em mo+'i xa'c ddi.nh ddu+o+.c cho^~ ca^y ga.o
cu.t ngo.n kia tru+o+'c dda^y la` ho^` sen cu?a ho+.p ta'c xa~. Gio+`
ngu+o+`i ta san ba(`ng xa^y le^n ma^'y da^~y nha` cao ta^`ng la`m cho^~
cho kha'ch du li.ch thue^.
Ca'i mie^'n Tha`nh hoa`ng ca.nh bo+` so^ng kho^ng co`n nu+~a, the^' va`o
ddo' la` nha` ha`ng dda(.c sa?n. Tru+o+'c kia no+i dda^y u ti.ch hoang so+
dde^'n gai ngu+o+`i, kho^ng bie^'t ngu+o+`i na`o dda~ da'm do+`i Tha`nh
Hoa`ng ddi cho^ kha'c dde^? tru+ng ca'i bie^?n hie^.u sa(.c mu`i pha`m
tu.c :"Nha` ha`ng dda(.c sa?n ca'c mo'n nha^.u da^n to^.c"!.
Vo`ng ve`o qua ma^'y qua'n karaoke tha^'y mo^.t con be' ma(.c va'y cu~n
co+~n tho?n the?n vo+'i em. "Que^n nhau ro^`i sao co^ cu+? ?". Ma(.c du`
co' ddie^.u dda`ng ho+n, a(n ma(.c "mo^dden" ho+n tru+o+'c nhu+ng em
va^~n nha^.n ra Lan. Lan la` ba.n ho.c tho+`i pho^? tho^ng, ho.c he^'t
lo+'p 11 thi` bo? ddi buo^n ga.o tre^n mie^`n ngu+o+.c. Tha^`y gia'o chu?
nhie^.m ta(.c lu+o+~i "Kho^ng co' ho.c thi` cu~ng dde^'n mu+'c a^'y ma`
tho^i". Trong lo+'p co' ddu+'a ba?o : "Co' khi nhu+ the^' la.i hay!"
No' ve^nh va'o mo^.t ca'ch lo^. lie^~u :"Tro^ng ha`ng karaoke tuy kho^ng
ddu+o+.c nhu+ bo.n ma`y nhu+ng tha'ng cu~ng ddu+o+.c va`i ve'". The^'
o^ng ba` gia` vie^.n tro+. cho ma`y mo^.t tha'ng bao nhie^u?". Em cu+o+`i
chua cha't vi` hai chu+~ "vie^.n tro+." cu?a no'. Em dda'p qua loa va`i
ca^u ro^`i la(.ng le~ ddi.
Re~ qua cho+. mua cho me. ma^'y thu+' la' xo^ng em ba('t ga(.p co^ gia'o
ddang ti'u ti't be^` bo^.n giu+~a ha`ng co+m pho+? cha^.t he.p. Be^n ca.nh
ro^? bu'n nghe^~u nghe^.n la` vo^ thie^n lu?ng ha`nh to?i, cha^n gio`, ga`
luo^.c, co^ vu+`a tha'i thi.t, ru+?a rau vu+`a luo^n mie^.ng :"co' ngay,
co' ngay!". Ca'i da'ng ve? tra^`m ti~nh nghie^m nghi. cu?a co^ tru+o+'c
bu.c gia?ng bie^'n ma^'t hoa`n toa`n. Em ddo+` dda^~n kho^ng da'm nhi`n
la^u so+. co^ pha't hie^.n ra mi`nh. Ca^u no'i nga`y tru+o+'c cu?a co^ :
"Cu+' ho.c ddi dde^? bie^'t, ddo+`i kho^ng ddo+n gia?n chu't na`o dda^u",
ddeo dda(?ng em dde^'n ta^.n ba^y gio+`...
3. Ve^` nha`, Me. ho?i :"Co' thi'ch vi.t ta^`n kho^ng ? "Nhu+ng tru+a
ro^`i la`m sao ki.p". Me. cu+o+`i :"ddo+n gia?n go.n nhe. tho^i, chi?
ca^`n go.i mo^.t tie^'ng la` ngu+o+`i ta mang ta^.n nha`".
Cha('c me. nghi~ o+? ky' tu'c em thie^'u cha^'t ne^n bo^`i du+o+~ng the^m,
o+? Ha` No^.i tuy kham kho^? tha^.t nhu+ng em va^~n muo^'n ddu+o+.c
thu+o+?ng thu+'c mo'n canh rie^u cua do chi'nh tay me. na^'u. Nhu+ng
kho^ng muo^'n me. ma^'t vui, em ha`o hu+'ng :"Cha('c la` dda(.c sa?n me.
nhi??" Me. ba?o :"Ba mu+o+i nga`n mo^.t sua^'t chu+' i't dda^u". Em
nha^?m ti'nh ddu+o+.c mo^.t tha'ng a(n ba'nh mi` sa'ng.
Co+m tru+a xong me. ba?o : "Chie^`u con ra phu. qua'n vo+'i cha, da.o na`y
kha'ch ddo^ng la('m".
Cha em tru+o+'c co^ng ta'c o+? Ho^.i va(n nghe^. ti?nh, Thi?nh thoa?ng
o^ng cho ra ddo+`i mo^.t ta^.p tho+ vo+'i nhan dde^` nghe la` la.. Trong
ga^`n mu+o+`i na(m "la`m" nha` tho+ o^ng in ddu+o+.c chu+'ng 6-7 ta^.p.
Cuo^'n na`o cu~ng nha('c dde^'n "Tie^'ng dda.i ba'c a^`m a^`m nhu+ sa^'m"
"Ve^.t lu+?a cha'y sa'ng ru+.c tro+`i dde^m". Co' la^`n em ho?i :"Sao
kho^ng co' ti`nh ye^u ho+? cha ?". O^ng la`m ma(.t nghie^m ba?o :"Chie^'n
tranh la` dda^`u ro+i ma'u cha?y chu+' co' pha?i ddu`a dda^u ma` ye^u
ddu+o+ng nha(ng nhi't nhu+ ba^y gio+`".
"Da^n tri' cu?a ta co`n tha^'p qua', ngu+o+`i ddu? tri`nh ddo^. tha^?m
tha^'u tho+ co`n hie^'m la('m" o^ng ba?o the^'.
Kho^ng bie^'t co' pha?i va^.y hay kho^ng nhu+ng em tha^'y mo^~i la^`n tho+
o^ng in ra la` mo^.t la^`n o^ng ke` ke` ha`ng ta' sa'ch ddi va^.n ddo^.ng
gia'o vie^n trong ti?nh mua u?ng ho^..
Em ho?i :"The^' co' lo^~ kho^ng cha ? O^ng su+?ng co^` : "La`m nghe^.
thua^.t chu+' co' pha?i buo^n ba'n ha`ng hoa' dda^u ma` ba?o lo^~ vo+'i
la~i". Em cu+o+`i :"Nhu+ng nghe^. thua^.t pha?i vi. nha^n sinh chu+' ?".
O^ng nha? kho'i thuo^'c mu` mi.t ro^`i la('c dda^`u cha'n na?n :"Nha^n
sinh cu?a chu'ng ma`y la` mo^.t nga`y hai bu+~a co+m ddu? no dde^? co'
su+'c ma` ngo. ngua^.y, bo.n tre? chu'ng ma`y cha(?ng hie^?u gi` ve^`
nghe^. thua^.t ca?".
Em tha^'y co' khi o^ng no'i ddu'ng, ca'i ma` bo.n em ca^`n ba^y gio+` la`
tie^'ng Anh, com-pu-to+ hay ma-ke't-tinh.
Em va`o dda.i ho.c ddu+o+.c mo^.t tho+`i gian thi` o^ng tho^i kho^ng co^ng
ta'c o+? Ho^.i va(n nghe^. ti?nh nu+~a. Chu' em ba?o :"Ve^` mo^.t cu.c".
O^ng la.i tru+`ng ma('t qua't tha'o.
Ho^`i a^'y o^ng in ta^.p tho+ mo+'i nhu+ng kho^ng ba'n no^?i, gia'o vie^n
trong ti?nh dda~ mua "tu+` thie^.n" ma^'y la^`n ro^`i ne^n kho^ng the^?
bo? ra ma^'y nga`y lu+o+ng nu+~a dde^? su+u ta^.p tho+ o^ng cho ddu? bo^..
Pha?i thuye^'t phu.c ma~i, me. mo+'i cho ba'n non lu+'a lo+.n gio^'ng
vo+'i chie^'c ma'y kha^u Trung Quo^'c dde^? bu` lo^~. Sau vu. a^'y kho^ng
khi' trong nha` tro+? ne^n na(.ng ne^` ho+n, me. dda~ kho^ng nhi`n ma(.t
cha dde^'n nu+?a tha'ng. O^ng ngao nga'n tho+? da`i :"Ddu'ng la` co+m a'o
kho^ng ddu`a vo+'i kha'ch tho+". Ro^`i tuye^n bo^' gia?i nghe^..
4. Qua'n bia ho+i nha` em na(`m ven ddu+o+`ng lie^n xa~. Kha'ch ha`ng
ha^`u he^'t la` dda'm thanh nie^n vo^ nghe^` nghie^.p kie^'m a(n ba(`ng
ddu? ma'nh lo+'i.
Buo^?i chie^`u em ra qua'n dde^? giu'p cha ma^'y vie^.c la(.t va(.t. Em
la(.ng le~ quan sa't cha la`m nhu+~ng vie^.c he^'t su+'c "qua'n xa'".
Mo^~i khi co' kha'ch o^ng cuo^'ng quy't ha(?n le^n. Em ho?i :"Thu nha^.p
co' kha' kho^ng cha?". O^ng lui cui ro't bia cho kha'ch xong mo+'i nga^?ng
le^n, ba?o :"Nga`y ba'n ddu+o+.c 50 li't bia la~i 40 nga`n, 2 ca^n mu+.c
la~i 20 nga`n, tru+` thue^' ma' ddie^.n nu+o+'c ma^'t 15 nga`n co`n
ddu+o+.c 45 nha^n vo+'i 30, ta^`m ta^`m 1 trie^.u mo^.t tha'ng". Em ba?o
"the^' cu~ng ddu+o+.c ro^`i cha nhi?".
"Va^'t va? ma` nhu.c la('m, dde^'n gia^'c ngu? tru+a cu~ng kho^ng co'".
O^ng tha^~n tho+`."Nha` tho+ dda^u ro^`i, he^'t thu+'c nha('m thi` uo^'ng
vo+'i ma' phanh a`?". O^ng kha'ch cho^`m cho^~m tre^n ghe^' vo+'i gio.ng
than va~n. "Dda^y ro^`i, chu' ddo+.i mo^.t chu't, con giu'p cha nu+o+'ng
ma^'y con mu+.c cho ma^'y chu' nhanh le^n" - O^ng ro^'i ri't nhu+ ngu+o+`i
ma('c lo^~i. Ke'o em ra mo^.t go'c o^ng ba?o "La`m a(n gio+` kho' la('m,
nha^'t la` nghe^` na`y kho^ng chi.u nhu.c kho^ng the^? la`m ddu+o+.c".
"The^' da.o na`y cha co' la`m tho+ nu+~a kho^ng ?. O^ng tra^`m nga^m
gio.ng buo^`n ba~ :"Tho+ ca la` thu+' ngu+o+`i ta chi? ca^`n khi nhu ca^`u
va^.t cha^'t dda~ ddu+o+.c thoa? ma~n gi` thi` gi` chu+' nghe`o co' nghi~a
la` he`n, kho^ng the^? hu't thuo^'c la`o va(.t nhi.n ddo'i dde^? ye^u tho+
ddu+o+.c, nhu+ the^' la` phu` phie^'m".
Em cu'i dda^`u :"Va^ng con hie^?u".
Mo^.t to^'p na(m, sa'u thanh nie^n va`o qua'n. "Nha` tho+ cho ddi~a la.c
vo+'i ma^'y va.i bia nhe'!".
"Con ga'i cu. dda^'y a`? Em o+i! Phu.c vu. bo.n anh ddi!". Em ngu+o+.ng
nghi.u lu`i va`o mo^.t go'c. Anh ma(.c a'o che~n dde^? ria con kie^'n
ba?o :"Bo.n na`y tra? tie^`n phu.c vu. ddu+o+.c chu+a?", ro^`i cu+o+`i
nga? ngo^'n. Cha im la(.ng ra chie^`u nha^~n nhu.c la('m. Em lu'ng tu'ng
la`m ddo^? ma^'t ca bia, cha ta('c lu+o+~i "Ma^'t toi chu.c ba.c ro^`i",
mo.i ngu+o+`i cu+o+`i o^` ca? le^n. Em bo? ra kho?i qua'n. Cha go.i la.i!
"Kha'ch ddo^ng the^' na`y mi`nh tao xoay sao no^?i".
Ma(.c ke^., em cha.y ve^` nha` nhu+ ke? ma^'t ho^`n.
5. Me. an u?i "Ti'nh cha ma`y da.o na`y kha'c tru+o+'c la('m. Tao dda^y
ma` o^ng coi cha(?ng ra gi` nu+~a la`...". Em ho?i :"Me. co' hie^?u ta.i
sao kho^ng?". "Ta.i tao kho^ng la`m ra tie^`n nhu+ ho^`i o+? co+ quan, tao
vo^ ti'ch su+., tao la` ke? a(n ba'm". Me. ga(`n tu+`ng tie^'ng.
"Co' ai nhu+ cha ma`y kho^ng, tao vu+`a cha^n u+o+'t cha^n ra'o o+? co+
quan ve^` ddu+o+.c ma^'y bu+~a o^ng a^'y ba?o pha?i xo^ng ra cho+. mo+?
ngay ha`ng rau qua?, tao ba?o :"To^i kho^ng quen nghe^` ddo', cu+' dde^?
tu+` tu+` ro^`i thu xe^'p sau". O^ng a^'y qua't a^`m le^n:"Kho^ng chi.u
ddo^.ng tay ro^`i ru ru' o+? nha` thi` che^'t ddo'i co' nga`y. Ma`y ba?o
tao co' nhu.c kho^ng ", no'i he^'t ca^u me. na^'c tu+`ng ho^`i ro^`i kho'c
nu+'c no+?.
Chie^`u cha ve^`, em ddu+a chuye^.n ho?i. O^ng tru+`ng tro^. :"Me. con
ma`y ddi.nh hu`a nhau cho^'ng la.i tao a`?". Em ba?o :"Con kho^ng hu`a
theo ma` cha cu~ng ne^n nghi~ la.i ddi".
"La'o, ma`y da'm da.y cha ma`y a` ? Tao no'i tha^.t nhe' tao ma` kho^ng
xoay ra kie^'m nga`y da(m ba?y chu.c thi` nha` na`y cung ba'n tu+` la^u
ro^`i. Ma` ma`y nu+~a dda^'y, tie^`n a(n ho.c ai chu ca^'p cho ma`y ha`ng
tha'ng ha??". Ga^n co^? o^ng no^?i le^n cha(`ng chi.t, hai tha'i du+o+ng
gia^.t gia^.t lie^n ho^`i. Tro^ng ve? ma(.t dda~ nha(n nhu'm, ho^'c ha'c
vi` thie^'u ngu? vi` la^`m lu.i cu?a o^ng em so+. ha~i quay ma(.t ddi.
6. Ha`ng qua'n ba` Ta^m mo+? ddu+o+.c ma^'y nga`y thi` me. em ba('t
dda^`u lo. "Ddu'ng la` tho+`i buo^?i tra(m ngu+o+`i mua nghi`n ngu+o+`i
ba'n", ha`ng ca`ng nga`y ca`ng e^' a^?m la.i na?y no`i ra mo^.t mu. tha^'y
ngu+o+`i ta la`m gi` la`m theo na^'y". Em la(.p la.i ca^u ngu+o+`i ta
va^~n thu+o+`ng no'i :"Kinh te^' thi. tru+o+`ng ma`, ma` ba` Ta^m la` ba`
na`o dda^'y ha? me.". "Nha^n ti`nh cha ma`y nga`y xu+a dda^'y!". Ra the^',
Ba` Ta^m ba^y gio+` mo+? qua'n ca.nh tranh vo+'i nha` em tru+o+'c dda^y
ho^`i thanh nie^n xung phong la` ngu+o+`i ye^u cu~ cu?a cha.
Em tu+`ng ddu+o+.c ddo.c nhu+~ng la' thu+ vie^'t ba(`ng mu+.c ti'm dda nhoe` nhoe.t gu+?i cho cha.
Cha ba?o :"Ddu+`ng cho me. ma`y bie^'t, ra'ch chuye^.n la('m dda^'y", em
cu+o+`i "Ti`nh cu~ kho^ng ru? cu~ng dde^'n dda^'y ha??". O^ng thu+o+`ng
tu+ lu+. ra^'t la^u mo^~i khi nha('c dde^'n mo^'i ti`nh cu?a hai ngu+o+`i.
Va` bao gio+` ke^'t thu'c ca^u chuye^.n cu~ng la` :"Nga`y xu+a bo.n tao
ye^u nhau tho+ mo^.ng la('m chu+' kho^ng o^`n i~ nhu+ ba^y gio+`".
Em kho^ng bie^'t nga`y xu+a quan he^. cu?a hai ngu+o+`i dde.p dde^'n nhu+
the^' na`o chi? bie^'t ba^y gio+` ca'ch nhau co' bu+'c phe^n ma` cha
kho^ng bao gio+` no'i chuye^.n vo+'i ba` Ta^m nu+?a lo+`i. Mo^i khi co'
va`i ngu+o+`i kha'ch quen cu?a mi`nh bo? sang ba` Ta^m a(n uo^'ng, cha em
gu+o+`m ma(.t chi` chie^'t : "Con mu. ye^u tinh, kie^?u na`y thi` la`m a(n
ddu+o+.c gi` ddu+o+.c vo+'i no' nu+~a" ro^`i lo+` ddo+` ddo^'t thuo^'c
buo^`n ba~.
Ve? la^?n tha^?n pha chu't ha(`n ho.c hie^.n le^n ro~ tre^n khuo^n ma(.t
khie^'n o^ng gia` nua mo^.t ca'ch to^.i nghie^.p.
Em ba`ng hoa`ng kho^ng da'm nhi`n va`o ddo^i ma('t tra^`m ua^'t nha^~n
nhu.c cu?a o^ng. Cha em dda^'y u+ ? Nha` tho+ nga`y tru+o+'c vo+'i nhu+~ng
ta^.p tho+ dda^`y trie^'t ly' ve^` cuo^.c ddo+`i dda^'y u+ ? "Duye^n so^'
dde^'n la` khi? gio', nga`y xu+a ca'ch a ha`ng chu.c ca^y so^' ddu+o+`ng
ru+`ng co`n la(.n lo^.i ti`m nhau. Gio+` co' nu+?a bu+o+'c cha^n la.i coi
nhau nhu+ ke? "thu`" o^ng tra^`m nga^m.
Em an u?i :"Ma` co' ai muo^'n the^' dda^u cha, ta^'t ca? chi? vi` su+.
mu+u sinh cu?a mi`nh ma` dda^m ra the^'". Em go.i ddo' la` su+. tro+'
tre^u. Tro+' tre^u dde^'n tha?n nhie^n mo^.t ca'ch ra^'t ddo+`i. Ba` Ta^m
dda~ qua mo^.t ddo+`i cho^`ng. Ngu+o+`i cho^ng cu~ bo? va`o Nam la`m a(n
theo mo^.t ngu+o+`i kha'c ro^`i o+? luo^n trong ddo'. Ngu+o+`i cho^`ng
ba^y gio+` dda~ gia` va` cu.t mo^.t cha^n dde^'n dda^`u go^'i. Tuy ca? hai
dde^`u lo+~ do+? ca? nhu+ng ho. so^'ng vo+'i nhau ra^'t ti`nh ca?m, chu+a
bao gio+` hai ngu+o+`i no'i nhau to tie^'ng.
Em tha^'y ba` Ta^m kho^ng co' ve? gi` la` ngu+o+`i ghe^ go+'m hay gia?
ta.o ca?. Ho^m ga(.p em ba` nho? nhe. ho?i :"Cha'u la` con o^ng Thu+'
pha?i kho^ng ?"."Da. va^ng a." em ly' nhi'. "Nga`y tru+o+'c cha cha'u
dda'nh dda`n hay la('m, ho^`i o+? Tru+o+`ng So+n co^ va` cha cha'u o+?
trong ddo^.i va(n nghe^. cu?a ddo+n vi. dda^'y".
Ba` ke^? nhie^`u ky? nie^.m cu?a hai ngu+o+`i ca'ch dda^y ma^'y chu.c
na(m ve^` tru+o+'c gio.ng cha^.m ra~i dde^`u dde^`u. Nhi`n hai ddu+'a be'
con cu?a ba` qua^'n quy't be^n me., em tha^'y thie^'u thie^'u mo^.t ca'i
gi` ma` mi`nh kho^ng co' ddu+o+.c.
Nga^.p ngu+`ng mo^.t lu'c ba` ho?i em : "Va^n na`y, cha'u dda~ co'
ngu+o+`i ye^u chu+a ? " Em ngu+o+.ng nghi.u :"Da. cha'u mo+'i chi? co'
ba.n trai ho+i tha^n tho^i a.". Ba` cu+o+`i "Nga`y xu+a bo.n co^ nhu't
nha't la('m". Em thi'ch ca'i "nga`y xu+a" cu?a ba`, nga`y xu+a trong
chuye^.n cu?a ngu+o+`i lo+'n bao gio+` cu~ng dde.p, cu~ng thi vi.. "Bao
gio+` cho dde^'n nga`y xu+a".
7. Le^n tru+o+`ng ho.c ga^`n hai tha'ng. Mo^.t buo^?i to^'i ddi ho.c
ngoa.i ngu+~ ve^`, Xuye^'n ba?o :"Co' chu' te^n la` La^n o+? que^ ra ti`m
ma`y nhu+ng kho^ng ga(.p, chu' a^'y gu+?i la.i tie^`n va` thu+ cho ma`y
dda^y".
Em la(.ng le~ ngo^`i va`o go'c ddo.c thu+. Thu+ cu?a cha, "Va^n con ye^u
quy' ! Nha^n co' chu' La^n le^n Ha` No^.i co^ng ta'c, cha gu+?i the^m
tie^`n cho con, con ca^`n chi tie^u cho ho+.p ly'. Mo.i ngu+o+`i o+? que^
va^n khoe? va` nho+' con nhie^`u. Ha`ng qua'n cu?a cha da.o na`y ba'n
ddu+o+.c ho+n tru+o+'c vi` qua'n ba` Ta^m dda~ ddo'ng cu+?a ro^`i. Ba`
Ta^m ma^'t ddu+o+.c ga^`n mo^.t tha'ng nay vi` bi. tai na.n...".
Em ca^`m bo.c tie^`n trong tay vo+'i ca?m gia'c ro+`n ro+.n, ba^'t gia'c
hi`nh dung ca?nh hai ddu+'a con ba` Ta^m vo+'i hai da?i kha(n tang tra('ng
toa't ngo^`i kho'c va^.t va~ be^n he` ddu+o+`ng bu.i ba(.m.
Tro+`i mu+a nhoe` nhoe.t, nhu+~ng va.t nu+o+'c go~ lu`ng bu`ng xuo^'ng
ma'i to^n han gi?. Em na(`m lo+ mo+ kho^ng thu+'c, kho^ng ngu?, thi?nh
thoa?ng tro+? mi`nh ngo' nghie^ng ra cu+?a so^?. Tie^'ng chim lo+.n trong
mu+a ta.o ne^n mo^.t a^m hu+o+?ng ky` a?o, xa xo^i nghe da die^'t kha('c
khoa?i.
Em kho'c va` ca?m tha^'y mi`nh thanh tha?n ho+n...
S.H -------------
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Topic No. 8
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:24:03 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <97031912240380@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
Mi`nh chi? co' ba ca'ch -de^? cho^'ng la.i Ta`u.
1) Tha^n thie^.n vo+'i no'.
2) Cho no' bie^'t la` tuy no' co' the^? tha<'ng -du+o+.c mi`nh nhu+ng
no' pha?i tra? mo^.t gia' qua' -da<'t.
3) Nhu+~ng nu+o+'c kha'c giu'p mi`nh va` co' bie^.n pha'p vo+'i Ta`u.
Khi na`o Ta`u la` mo^.t nu+o+'c da^n chu? thi` mo+'i co' the^? co'
(1). Ba^y gio+` -di -do^i vo+'i bo.n -do^.c ta`i -do' la` sai vo+'i
-da.o ly', va` co' -di -do^i cu~ng kho^ng tin -du+.o+.c la` bo.n
-do' se~ kho^ng cu+o+'p mi`nh.
Tu+` xu+a to+'i gio+` mi`nh tha<'ng Ta`u la` nho+` -dia. the^', ta`i na<ng
va` y' chi'. Nga`y nay ky~ thua^.t vu~ khi' co' the^? che^' ngu+. -du+o+.c
thie^n nhie^n va` con ngu+o+`i va` la`m gia?m nhu+~ng u+u the^' tu+. ve^.
cua? mi`nh. Tre^n -da^'t lie^`n, ma'y bay pha?n lu+.c bay tu+` Ta`u to+'i Ha`
No^.i chi? ca^`n 30 phu't va` vo+'i nhu+~ng phu+o+ng tie^.n co+ khi' nu'i
ru+`ng kho^ng co`n la` chie^'n khu ba^'t kha? xa^m pha.m cu?a ngu+o+`i du
ki'ch. Tre^n bie^?n la` no+i mi`nh kho^ng co' u+u the^' thie^n nhie^n va` con
ngu+o+`i. Ne^'u muo^'n Ta`u tra? gia' -da<'t, nha^'t la` tre^n bie^?n, mi`nh
pha?i co' vu~ khi' to^'i ta^n. Vie^.t Nam kho^ng the^? theo ki.p ha?i qua^n
Ta`u, nhu+ng -de^? ba?o ve^. nhu+~ng vu`ng bie^?n va`i tra<m da<.m tu+`
-da^'t lie^`n thi` kho^ng qua^n, tuy re? ho+n va` de^~ hua^'n luye^.n ho+n,
co' ra^'t nhie^`u u+u the^'. Trong chie^'n tranh Falklands giu+~a Anh va`
Argentina, tuy Argentina chi? co' ma'y bay tu+` 1960s va` pha?i bay -to+'i
extreme ranges -de^? -da'nh ha.m -do^.i Anh to^'i ta^n nhi` the^' gio+'i va` co'
ha`ng kho^ng ma^~u ha.m, Anh co' the^? -da~ thua ne^'u My~ kho^ng giu'p hoa?
tie^~n pho`ng kho^ng. The^m va`o -do', chie^'n tranh vo+'i My~ cho tha^'y u+u
the^' tre^n kho^ng mie^`n Ba<'c cho phe'p ke? thu` tie^u die^.t mo.i mu.c tie^u
lo+'n ne^'u muo^'n.
Ve^` -do^`ng minh thi` tuy kho^ng ai u+a Vie^.t Nam mi`nh, co' ra^'t
nhie^` nu+'o+'c i't u+a Ta`u ho+n. My~, Nha^.t lo nga.i ve^` su+'c ma.nh
cua? Ta`u, va` bie^'t Ta`u ca<m mi`nh. Nga kho^ng u+a gi` Ta`u. A^'n -Do^. co'
-da^'t bi. Ta`u chie^'m. Korea -da~ tu+`ng bi. Ta`u -da'nh. Nhu+~ng nu+o+'c
Muslims kho^ng bie^'t co' nghi~ -de^'n Xinjiang bi. Ha'n hoa' kho^ng? ASEAN
cu~ng so+. Ta`u, nu+o+'c ma.nh nha^'t la` Indonesia lo nga.i ve^` Ta`u. Mai
mo^'t da^n Myanmar -du+o+.c tu+. do cha<'c cu~ng kho^ng que^n Ta`u u?ng ho^.
SLORC. Mi`nh co' the^? resurect a symbolic link vo+'i Pha'p kho^ng?
Co`n Taiwan thi` xu+'c ma^'y cho.c tu+'c o^ng anh ca? la'ng gie^`ng vi`
ngu+o+`i kho^ng ba` con xa.
ASEAN thi` co' defence spending ba<`ng Ta`u (to^i nho+' va^.y tu+`
Economist tua^`n tru+o+'c) nhu+ng so+. Ta`u to+'i no^~i kho^ng da'm act on
common interest. La`m sao ma` mi`nh co' the^? la^'y -du+o+.c su+. giu'p -do+~
cua? nhu+ng nu+o+'c kha'c? Co' economic va` defence treaty na`o mi`nh co' the^?
va`o kho^ng? Ba'c La^m kho^ng nghi~ la` mo^.t ne^`n kinh te^' va` mo^.t civil
society gio^'ng nhu+~ng nu+o+'c co' the^? giu'p mi`nh se~ la`m mi`nh va`o
nhu+~ng treaty vo+'i ho. de^~ ho+n sao? Va` se~ ta.o ra the^m common interests
sao?
Sa'ng nay to^i nghe la do^ no'i Taiwan vu+a` ba<'t -da^`u thu+? hoa? tie^~n.
Va^'n -de^` ha?i qua^n My~ ba?o ve^. Taiwan, tuy ly' do chi'nh la` Taiwan la`
a major trading nation, -du+o+.c ngu+o+`i ta lie^n quan to+'i su+. `tru+o+?ng
tha`nh' va` `da^n chu?' (theo -di.nh nghia~ cua? bo.n Ta^y) cua? Taiwan.
To^i nghi~ ne^'u Ta`u xa^m la<ng Taiwan thi` du+ lua^.n ve^` xa~ ho^.i
Taiwan cu~ng co' mo^.t a?nh hu+o+?ng na`o cho quye^'t -di.nh cua? ca'c
chi'nh phu? Ta^y phu+o+ng ve^` ca'ch giu'p -do+~ Taiwan.
Huy
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Topic No. 9
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:09:48 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <97031913094855@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
Dear ba'c La^m,
<<<Vu. na`y cu~ng gio^'ng nhu+ vu. ta`u Maddox ho^`i 1964 cu?a My~ xa^m pha.m
vu`ng bie^?n VNDCCH. Lie^.u co' da^~n to+'i 1 su+. kie^.n vi.nh Ba('c bo^.
thu+' 2 k0, this is the question now.>>>
Co' the^? My~ khie^u khi'ch VN -de^? co' co+' leo thang chie^'n tranh,
co`n Ta`u co' ly' do kha'c:
1)ba`nh tru+o+'ng, 2) phe military muo^'n co' the^n a?nh hu+o+?ng
trong no^.i bo^. Ta`u. Va` Ta`u muo^'n chie^'m ho+n la` chie^'n tranh.
<<<1- VN la` "ma('t xi'ch ye^'u nha^'t" ve^` ma(.t ngoai giao va` quan he^.
quo^'c te^' trong 5 nuo+'c ddo^'i thu? vo+'i Ba('c kinh tranh cha^'p vu`ng
bie^?n Ddo^ng (VN, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei). VN k0 co' 1
hie^.p uo+'c an ninh chung vo+'i 1 cuo+`ng quo^'c na`o, trong khi Phi co'
hie^.p uo+'c vo+'i My~; Malay va` Brunei trong kho^'i Commonwelth, co'
hie^.p uo+'c vo+'i Anh. Tai wan thi` vu. eo bie^?n na(m ngoa'i, TQ vu+`a
ba('n ma^'y qu?a te^n lu+?a dda~ tha^'y ta`u chie^'n My~ u`n u`n ke'o
dde^'n.>>>
Hie^.p u+o+'c la` mo^.t consequence va` bie^?u tu+o+.ng cua? common interest va`
gooodwill. Vie^.t Nam ca^`n gia ta<ng common interest va` goodwill vo+'i nhu+~ng
cu+o+`ng quo^'c. Nhu+~ng common interest va` goodwill na`y se~ co' gia'
tri. kho^ng nhu+~ng o+? nhu+~ng hie^.p u+o+'c ma` ca? nhu+~ng giu'p -do+~
tu+` nhu+~ng nu+o+'c kho^ng co' hie^.p u+o+'c gi` vo+'i VN.
Tui kho^ng bie^'t the Commonwealth co' hie^.p u+o+'c defence kho^ng?
Va` ne^'u mi`nh muo^'n mi`nh co' the^? mang ca'i commonwealth ra
ta'n ti?nh anh Pha'p.
Huy
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Topic No. 10
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:08:36 +0100 (MET)
From: Sonnet Nguyen <Sonnet.Nguyen@fuw.edu.pl>
To: VNSA-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: VN contra Chine
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.95.970319111607.27494A-100000@albert3>
Hi all,
Few interesting strategies for VN in the relation with Chine
were presented in the last few days. (For the last 2 days I was
disconected to the network.)
First, Let me look back farther to history.
For 3000 years of VN-se history, (from fathers to sons) the only
one important and dominating thing done by VN-ses was: against Chinese
agression and chinanization!!! Of course, each person could easyly agree
with me that: our grand-grand-...-father perfectly did that...
Second, the modern history of VN is complicated because
that there are no unique intepretation for many historical facts.
(for example: a question about ideological VN-se war, relation with former
Soviet Union and Chine, etc. Sorry, I have no right to present my deep
thoghts here...)
One thing is just obvious that: VN maked a big mistake in
a stategy! For a long time it's well-known for every inteligent
people that Chine will try to make full control over south chinese sea.
(they always regard south chinese sea as their private sea!)
Why VN didn't do anything to increase VN-se Marine (sea's defense force)?
I understand a prototyp argument that VN has little money for military
expences, but my main thesis is that VN has to defense only VN-se
territorium, in which are very very little VN-ses living.
Chinese force could go to Hanoi or Sajgon, but it doesn't matter! VN-ses
are also VN-ses. They do not (and never) become to Chineses, so
chinanization doesn't work. (Chinanization could work perfectly in the
territorium, in which are no VN-ses.)
What VN have to do soon?
VN has 2 posibilities for choose:
a) closely cooperates (economically and militarly) with US, Japan and
Asean, and France.
b) becomes a little brother of Chine.
The first option is proper and the second is catastrophy!
Usually, small countries have to grupped to a bigger blocks (for
effective rivalization) in the modern world.
VN at least has to make efforts in many fields: dyplomacy,
economics, military. The idea is following: members of Asean could
create a military park like NATO in Europe. This is good for all of
them. VN need a treaty of no agression with all neighbours and a guaranty
from one of the world's superpower.
Stop thinking that strong economy can solve every problems.
(VN has no chance for growth quickly than Chine and Chine is 30-times
bigger than VN.)
VN need a stable line for foreign policy. Goverments change, but
interest of VN-se nation is the same. Interest of VN-se nation must be
regarded highest (higher than any interest of Kings, Goverments or
political group, etc.) and can not be a (political) game. Don't forget
about that. The VN-se solders (of former South VN force) who died in
Hoangsa 1974 in a pocket war with Chine are also heroes for me.
All VN-ses must have to them a respect. ( They are real "liet si".)
SN
---------------------------------------------------------
Sonnet Nguyen,
Never belive in the Chinese promises!
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Topic No. 11
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:48:09 +0100 (MET)
From: Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
To: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
Cc: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970319141900.6171A-100000@dutmpw3.tudelft.nl>
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk wrote:
> Mi`nh chi? co' ba ca'ch -de^? cho^'ng la.i Ta`u.
>
> 1) Tha^n thie^.n vo+'i no'.
> 2) Cho no' bie^'t la` tuy no' co' the^? tha<'ng -du+o+.c mi`nh nhu+ng
> no' pha?i tra? mo^.t gia' qua' -da<'t.
> 3) Nhu+~ng nu+o+'c kha'c giu'p mi`nh va` co' bie^.n pha'p vo+'i Ta`u.
>
> Khi na`o Ta`u la` mo^.t nu+o+'c da^n chu? thi` mo+'i co' the^? co'
> (1). Ba^y gio+` -di -do^i vo+'i bo.n -do^.c ta`i -do' la` sai vo+'i
> -da.o ly', va` co' -di -do^i cu~ng kho^ng tin -du+.o+.c la` bo.n
> -do' se~ kho^ng cu+o+'p mi`nh.
100% agree
> Tu+` xu+a to+'i gio+` mi`nh tha<'ng Ta`u la` nho+` -dia. the^', ta`i na<ng
> va` y' chi'. Nga`y nay ky~ thua^.t vu~ khi' co' the^? che^' ngu+. -du+o+.c
> thie^n nhie^n va` con ngu+o+`i va` la`m gia?m nhu+~ng u+u the^' tu+. ve^.
> cua? mi`nh. Tre^n -da^'t lie^`n, ma'y bay pha?n lu+.c bay tu+` Ta`u to+'i Ha`
> No^.i chi? ca^`n 30 phu't va` vo+'i nhu+~ng phu+o+ng tie^.n co+ khi' nu'i
> ru+`ng kho^ng co`n la` chie^'n khu ba^'t kha? xa^m pha.m cu?a ngu+o+`i du
> ki'ch. Tre^n bie^?n la` no+i mi`nh kho^ng co' u+u the^' thie^n nhie^n va` con
> ngu+o+`i. Ne^'u muo^'n Ta`u tra? gia' -da<'t, nha^'t la` tre^n bie^?n, mi`nh
> pha?i co' vu~ khi' to^'i ta^n. Vie^.t Nam kho^ng the^? theo ki.p ha?i qua^n
> Ta`u, nhu+ng -de^? ba?o ve^. nhu+~ng vu`ng bie^?n va`i tra<m da<.m tu+`
> -da^'t lie^`n thi` kho^ng qua^n, tuy re? ho+n va` de^~ hua^'n luye^.n ho+n,
> co' ra^'t nhie^`u u+u the^'. Trong chie^'n tranh Falklands giu+~a Anh va`
> Argentina, tuy Argentina chi? co' ma'y bay tu+` 1960s va` pha?i bay -to+'i
> extreme ranges -de^? -da'nh ha.m -do^.i Anh to^'i ta^n nhi` the^' gio+'i va` co'
> ha`ng kho^ng ma^~u ha.m, Anh co' the^? -da~ thua ne^'u My~ kho^ng giu'p hoa?
> tie^~n pho`ng kho^ng. The^m va`o -do', chie^'n tranh vo+'i My~ cho tha^'y u+u
> the^' tre^n kho^ng mie^`n Ba<'c cho phe'p ke? thu` tie^u die^.t mo.i mu.c tie^u
> lo+'n ne^'u muo^'n.
To^i nghi~ la` vo+'i te^n lu+?a dda^'t ddo^'i bie^?n ta^`m xa mi`nh cu~ng
co' the^? "cho+i" ddu+o+.c ta`u chie^'n cu? a tu.i no'.
Co' ddie^`u la` lie^.u tu.i no' co' gio+'i ha.n cuo^.c chie^'n chi? tre^n
bie^?n kho^ng? Cu+' cho la` kho^ng qua^n VN ca^'t ca'nh tu+` dda^'t
lie^`n se~ co' u+u the^' ho+n tu.i ta`u. Nhu+ng tu.i no' dda^u co' hie^`n
tu+` gi` ma` kho^ng oanh ta.c Ha`no^.i va` xua bo^. binh qua bie^n gio+'i.
Nhu+ va^.y mo^.t khi ta tra? lo+i` su+. xa^m la^'n cu?a no' ba(`ng
phu+o+ng tie^.n qua^n su+. (du` chi? dde^? tra? ddu?a tre^n bie^?n)
ta pha?i cha^'p nha^.n la` chie^'n tranh toa`n die^.n se~ co' the^? xa?y ra.
> Ve^` -do^`ng minh thi` tuy kho^ng ai u+a Vie^.t Nam mi`nh, co' ra^'t
> nhie^` nu+'o+'c i't u+a Ta`u ho+n. My~, Nha^.t lo nga.i ve^` su+'c ma.nh
> cua? Ta`u, va` bie^'t Ta`u ca<m mi`nh. Nga kho^ng u+a gi` Ta`u. A^'n -Do^. co'
> -da^'t bi. Ta`u chie^'m. Korea -da~ tu+`ng bi. Ta`u -da'nh. Nhu+~ng nu+o+'c
> Muslims kho^ng bie^'t co' nghi~ -de^'n Xinjiang bi. Ha'n hoa' kho^ng? ASEAN
> cu~ng so+. Ta`u, nu+o+'c ma.nh nha^'t la` Indonesia lo nga.i ve^` Ta`u. Mai
> mo^'t da^n Myanmar -du+o+.c tu+. do cha<'c cu~ng kho^ng que^n Ta`u u?ng ho^.
> SLORC. Mi`nh co' the^? resurect a symbolic link vo+'i Pha'p kho^ng?
> Co`n Taiwan thi` xu+'c ma^'y cho.c tu+'c o^ng anh ca? la'ng gie^`ng vi`
> ngu+o+`i kho^ng ba` con xa.
Kho^ng bie^'t trong ma^'y tha(`ng gh'et ta`u tre^n dda^y, tha(`ng na`o
se~ sa(~n lo`ng ha^u. thua^?n cho Vietnam, mo^.t khi chie^'n tranh xa?y ra?
> ASEAN thi` co' defence spending ba<`ng Ta`u (to^i nho+' va^.y tu+`
> Economist tua^`n tru+o+'c) nhu+ng so+. Ta`u to+'i no^~i kho^ng da'm act on
> common interest. La`m sao ma` mi`nh co' the^? la^'y -du+o+.c su+. giu'p -do+~
> cua? nhu+ng nu+o+'c kha'c? Co' economic va` defence treaty na`o mi`nh co' the^?
> va`o kho^ng? Ba'c La^m kho^ng nghi~ la` mo^.t ne^`n kinh te^' va` mo^.t civil
> society gio^'ng nhu+~ng nu+o+'c co' the^? giu'p mi`nh se~ la`m mi`nh va`o
> nhu+~ng treaty vo+'i ho. de^~ ho+n sao? Va` se~ ta.o ra the^m common interests
> sao?
> Sa'ng nay to^i nghe la do^ no'i Taiwan vu+a` ba<'t -da^`u thu+? hoa? tie^~n.
> Va^'n -de^` ha?i qua^n My~ ba?o ve^. Taiwan, tuy ly' do chi'nh la` Taiwan la`
> a major trading nation, -du+o+.c ngu+o+`i ta lie^n quan to+'i su+. `tru+o+?ng
> tha`nh' va` `da^n chu?' (theo -di.nh nghia~ cua? bo.n Ta^y) cua? Taiwan.
> To^i nghi~ ne^'u Ta`u xa^m la<ng Taiwan thi` du+ lua^.n ve^` xa~ ho^.i
> Taiwan cu~ng co' mo^.t a?nh hu+o+?ng na`o cho quye^'t -di.nh cua? ca'c
> chi'nh phu? Ta^y phu+o+ng ve^` ca'ch giu'p -do+~ Taiwan.
Kho^ng bie^'t ca^u to^i sa('p no'i ra dda^y co' pha.m VNSA's taboo kho^ng,
nhu+ng xa^y du+.ng "civil society" va` la`m cho Vietnam "tru+o+?ng tha`nh
va` da^n chu? (theo ddinh nghia~ cu?a bo.n Ta^y)" co' ve~ ddi ngu+o+.c
ddu+o+`ng lo^'i ddo^.c DDa?ng va` "xa^y du+.ng CNXH" cu?a today's
Vietnamese leaders.
Ma(.t kha'c, cho da^~u ca'c cu. a^'y ddo^`ng y' la`m chuye^.n a^'y thi`
i't ra cu~ng pha?i 5-7 na(m nu+?a process a^'y mo+'i cho tha^'y hie^u qua?.
Trong tho+`i gian a^'y thi` tu.i ta`u dda~ ki.p kho^ng nhu+~ng hoa`n
tha`nh chu+o+ng tri`nh oil & gas exploration cu?a no' o+? Truong Sa ma` co'
the^? dda~ ba('t dda^`u giai ddoa.n exploitation ro^`i.
BTW, to^i do^``ng y' vvo+'i ba'c Huy la` ta pha?i ti`m ca'ch hoa` nha^.p
tha^.t su+. va`o co^.ng ddo^`ng the^' gio+'i thi` mo+'i mong ho. ta^.n
ti`nh u~nh ho^. du+o+.c. Xin ddu+o+.c mie^~n ba`n ho^.u nha^.p ba(`ng
ca'ch na`o (ke?o ca'c anh a^'y la.i ky~ lua^.t cho thi` he^'t ddu+o+.c
ddo.c y' kie^'n cu?a ca'c ba'c)
Regards, Buu-Long
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Topic No. 12
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:18:05 +0100
From: Minh Vu Huynh <huynm000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Congratulation ba'c La^m !!
Message-ID: <199703191418.PAA05571@marie.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Cha`o ba'c La^m, ba'c Tie^'n, et al!
To^i ddi DDo^ng du sang DDo^ng DDu+'c co' va`i nga`y ve^` tha^'y ca'c su+.
kie^.n chi'nh ti. thay ddo^?i cho'ng ca? ma(.t : Trung Quo^'c khie^u khi'ch
VN , 1 chuye^n gia ve^` Trung quo^'c ddu+o+.c bo^? sung gay va`o "bo^.
chi'nh tri." Admin .. Na`y ba'c La^m pha?i la`m bu+~a khao la`ng Mainz mu+`ng
chu+'c quan to^?ng ddo' nghe.
Ba`i tho+ cu?a ba'c La^m hay qua' ne^n to^i kho^ng no+~ ddo.c qua ro^`i dde^?
dda^'y ne^n ma.n phe'p the^m ma^'y do`ng "con co'c" va`o cho vui:
Ba'u gi` ma?nh chie^'u sa^n ddi`nh
Cha(?ng ba(`ng xo' be^'p no+i mi`nh vo+'i ta
Xo' be^'p ddi la.i di ra
Buo^`n cha^n ngu+'a mie^.ng la^n la sa^n ddi`nh
Cha(?ng gi` cu~ng the^? "minh tinh"
La`m sao ru+?a ddu+o+.c "va(n minh xo'm la`ng"!
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Topic No. 13
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:21:08 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Pham Thi Thanh Hong <smm68490@ait.ac.th>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Math problem
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970319211449.28852A-100000@alphaserv.ait.ac.th>
Hi Tuan,
On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Tuan V Nguyen wrote:
> Hello Thu Huong and Thanh Hong,
>
> You are very smart, that is the correct number (679). But, you have
> not told us how did you arrive at the number! Please do.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Tuan V Nguyen
>
As my algorithm, count from 1 to 609, there are 87 numbers that is
indivisable for 7, such as 602, 595, 588, and so on. Among these numbers,
there are 12 numbers that is divisable for 49 ( = 7*7) such as 588, 539,..
and the number of 343 is equal 7*7*7. Thus, 609! will divisable for
7^(87+12+1 = 100).
Could you test whether this algorithm is true or not?
Cheers,
Hong.
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Topic No. 14
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 97 15:46:27 EST
From: nguyen.d@ccmail.cgi.fr
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: VN contra Chine
Message-ID: <9702198588.AA858815858@pctest.cgi.fr>
>Chinese force could go to Hanoi or Sajgon, but it doesn't matter!
>VN-ses are also VN-ses. They do not (and never) become to Chineses,
>so chinanization doesn't work. (Chinanization could work perfectly
>in the territorium, in which are no VN-ses.)
You're not serious Sonnet Nguyen !!!
What happens actually in Tibet ??? I wouldn't like my country dropping
in the same situations !!!
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