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VNSA-L digest 259
VNSA-L Digest 259
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
by "Nguyen T. Lam" <lam@cptc.wisc.edu>
2) Re: Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a (3/3)
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
3) Phu. nam Phu. nu*~
by ianb@sun670.telecom.tandem.com (Ian Bui)
4) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
5) Re: [film]"Thu+o+ng Nho+' DDo^`ng Que^" ddu+o+.c gia?i ta.i Fribourg
by nguyen@dil.univ-mrs.fr (Viet Hung Nguyen)
6) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
7) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
8) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by giang@essc.psu.edu (Nong Tuan Giang)
9) Re: On again, off again...
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
10) Truyen Duong Thu Huong (was Re: Va(n Pautovski ... )
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
11) So^' sie^u phu+'c
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
12) Thank ba'c Toa`n toan@usa.net for REs: [HELP] VN editor for NT 4.0
by Vu Quoc HUNG <hung@vsb.cz>
13) Re: [HELP] VN editor for NT 4.0
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
14) Timing
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
15) Re: Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a (3/3)
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
16) Re: Phu. nam Phu. nu*~
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
17) Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
by VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
18) Go+.i nho+' ky? nie^.m
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
19) Re: Ca^`n giu'p o+? Baltimore, Maryland USA
by Dung Nguyen <dungn@CapAccess.org>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:30:25 -0600 (CST)
From: "Nguyen T. Lam" <lam@cptc.wisc.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Chu'c mu+`ng chi. em 8/3 + various
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970311111341.25401A-100000@ace.cptc.wisc.edu>
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Tran Minh Tien wrote:
>
> Ba'c An Ha?i lu+o+.m ddu+o+.c tin chi ddo' ma` do.a to^i va^.y ?
> Ba^y gio+` mo+'i tha^'y ngu+o+`i ta no'i pha?i
>
> Bao nhie^u chi' lo+'n trong thie^n ha.
> Chu+a no^?i chu+'a dda^`y ma('t my~ nha^n
Hi`nh nhu+ mo^.t thoa.i kha'c cu?a 2 ca^u na`y la` :
Ho+~i o+i chi' lo+'n trong thie^n ha.
Go'p la.i kho^ng -da^`y ma('t my~ nha^n.
To^i nghi~ 2 ca^u na`y cu?a J. Leiba, nhu+ng co' ngu+o+`i cho ra(`ng ta'c
gia? 2 ca^u na`y la` Pha.m Ho^`ng Tha'i#. Mong ca'c ba.n cho bie^'t y'
kie^'n.
N. T. La^m
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:31:28 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a (3/3)
Message-ID: <199703111731.SAA03474@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
> ... Hi`nh nhu+ to^i na(`m mo+, mo^.t gia^'c mo+ tha^`n tie^n: HA.N
> HA'N VA` CO+N MU+A ddang die^~n o+? Vie^.t Nam!
...
> Du` dda~ co' ho+n ba chu.c ba`i ba'o ta vie^'t ve^` vo+? mu'a na`y va`
> ta'c gia? cu?a no', song, pha^`n nhie^`u trong so^' ddo' ddu+o+.c
> vie^'t du+.a theo lo+`i ke^? hoa(.c theo ba'o chi' nu+o+'c
> ngoa`i. Mo^.t so^' i't thu+.c su+. ddu+o+.c vie^'t ba(`ng tru+.c ca?m
> cu?a ta'c gi?a qua xem buo^?i bie^?u die^~n ba'o ca'o duy nha^'t
> (2.5.1995) tru+o+'c khi Ddoa`n ra nu+o+'c ngoa`i la^`n dda^`u.
>
> Dda^`u tha'ng 5 na(m nay. co' the^m hai buo^?i bie^?u die^~n - mo^.t
> ba'o ca'o la~nh dda.o Bo^. va(n ho'a - tho^ng tin, mo^.t ba'o ca'o
> chi'nh quye^`n ti?nh Tha'i Bi`nh. Co^ng chu'ng ye^u nghe^. thua^.t
> va^~n chi? "nghe no'i" ma` chu+a "nhi`n tha^'y" mo^.t vo+~ die^~n
> tha^.t dda'ng nga('m va` nghi~.
Ca?m o+n anh Ba?o dda post ba`i na`y. Hom tet vu+`a roi ngoi han huyen
voi ca'c anh chi trong hoi "VK yeu nuo'c" cung duo.c nghe ke so+ ve
dieu mu'a cu?a ca'c cu. la~o no^ng na`y. Nay mo+'i dduo+.c biet kha'
tron ve.n ve^` Mme Thu?y va` cong cuo.c du+ng vo+? mu'a. Nghe noi Mme
Thu?y chi chon cac cu. ba` dda rat lon tuoi, tu be' den lo+'n chi biet
cay lua', nuoi con, tham chi chua bao gio ra den thanh pho. Dong ta'c
ca^'y lua, nho^? co?, ga.t mu`a,... cu?a ca'c cu. co^.ng voi net ma(.t
kha('c kho^?, tha^n hi`nh gia` nua ga^y an tuong rat manh cho nguoi
xem, dac biet la may anh Ta^y vo^~ tay kinh la('m. Co' le~ la` ddu'ng
gou^t cu?a ho.. Con da^n nha` mi`nh thi la.i nghe^.t ra, khong ca?m thu.c
dduo.c ma^'y (Ma^'y anh VK ddi cu`ng ddoa`n ba?o the^').
Kho^ng bie^'t du+ lua^n co^ng chu'ng o VN khi xem the^' na`o? Kho^ng
tin ma^'y tay nha` ba'o thi'ch chuye^n gia^.t ga^n dduo+.c. Co' ai
dda~ xem ta^.n ma('t "Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a" chu+a ?
VH
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Topic No. 3
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 11:58:21 -0600
From: ianb@sun670.telecom.tandem.com (Ian Bui)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Phu. nam Phu. nu*~
Message-ID: <9703111758.AA02327@zoo.tpmsdev>
Cai' dde^` tai` nay` cu~ng ngo^.#. To*' co' bo^n' ba` chi. va`
mo^.t co^ em gai'. Trong so^' ddo' chi? co' ba` chi. ca? la`
ngu*o*i` duy nha^'t la^y' cho^`ng VN, con` ma^y' ngu*o*i`
kia la^y' ngu*o*`i ngoa.i quo^'c he^t' rao'. Noi' chung chung
thi` kho^ng phai? vi` ly' do kinh te^' gi` ca? ma` la` vi` ho.
la` nhu*ng~ ngu*o*i` ddan` ba` tu*. la^.p va` ddo^.c la^.p quen
ro^`i ne^n kho^ng cam no^i? cai' attitude cua? ddan` o^ng VN,
nha^'t la` nhu*~ng ngu*o*`i co' tu* tu*o*?ng sa<.c mui` Kho^?ng
Tu*? kie^u? tho*i` phong kie^'n ma` dde^'n ba^y gio*` va^~n con`.
Ke? ha^.u sinh nay` kho^ng dam' che^ cu. KT, nhu*ng va^~n tha^y'
trong mo*' giao' ddie^u` ma` cac' tin' ddo^` cu?a cu. dde^` xu*o*'ng
tho*`i xu*a nhie^u` cai' ngay` nay dda~ tro*? tha`nh lo^i~ tho*i` va`
la.c ha^.u he^t' cho^~ noi' (nhu* la` Tro.ng nam khinh nu*~ v.v.)
Ddo.c tin tu*'c VN nghe ca'c vu. cho^`ng gie^'t vo*., con so^' cac'
ba` ca'c co^ tu*. tu*? gia ta<ng v.v. lam` to*' la.i nghi~ kho^ng
bie^t' xa~ ho^.i VN ta phai? lam` sao dde^? chui ra khoi? cai' ro.
"Kho^?ng" lo^` nay`. Co' the^? nao` su*. thay ddo^?i trong tu*
tu*o*?ng se~ dde^'n da^`n da` theo dda` pha't trie^?n kinh te^'
cha<ng?
Vu. nay` cha<'c la` phai? nho*` dde^'n cac' bac' gai' giu'p du`m,
xem co' ca'ch nao` cho bo.n lie^`n o^ng chu'ng em tu*. "giai? pho'ng"
mi`nh cho so*'m, keo? kho^ng cho'ng thi` cha^`y se~ tha`nh "museum
pieces" [e^ sa<'c] he^'t ca? dda'm!! :)))
Sa<~n no'i ve^` ho^n nha^n xin cho noi' leo qua va^'n dde^` ti`nh
ye^u trai gai' mo^.t ti' cho vui :) Theo to*' nghie^.m thi`
ho^n nha^n la` ke^'t qua? cu?a nhu*~ng su*. ti'nh toa'n (ra^'t
ca^`n thie^'t cho ddo*`i so^'ng) co`n ti`nh ye^u (romantic love)
thi` nhie^`u khi cha<?ng bie^'t dda^u ma` mo` (nhu*ng cu~ng ra^'t
ca^`n thie^t' cho ddo*`i so^'ng, kho^ng ke'm) Ti`nh ye^u ma` ddi
dde^'n ho^n nha^n nhie^`u khi cu~ng to^'t, nhu*ng ti`nh ye^u ma`
chi? dde^? trong bu.ng co' le~ to^'t ho*n :)))))
Cheers,
Ian
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Topic No. 4
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:24:19 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703111824.TAA03491@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
Halihallo ca'c ba'c mo.t truye^.n,
Gay da^'y ca'c ba'c AnHai, Huong et co a.. Toi tha^'y mi`nh nhu+ ddang
bi choan ngop tro+? la.i vo+'i mo^'i ti`nh cu~ ngay xu+a vo+'i truye^n
Nga. U+` to^i ddo^`ng y' la` ta ta.m tho+`i chi? ho^`i u+'c ve^` ca'c
mo^'i ti`nh tha?o nguye^n man ma'c na`y tho^i dda~, dde^? cho ca'c cu.
Voltaire, Hugo, Balzac ye^n dde^'n cuo^'i tua^`n sau. Ngay ca? truyen
Nga to^i cu~ng pha?i dde^? dden cuo^'i tua^`n tho^i khong thi la.i anh
huong dde^'n ca'i boulot cu?a toi mat.
Nhu+ng truo+'c he^'t pha?i xin lo^~i ca'c ba'c dda~ tu+`ng do.c/xem
film "Gone with the wind" (toi tha^'y truyen hay ho+n film). Toi
tha^.t ho+i ho^` ddo^` khi coi thuo+`ng nen van ho.c My~. Toi cung
xin lo^~i ba'c Huy, toi cung thi'ch truyen David Corperfield. Nhung
vi` do.c truyen Nga nhieu ho+n nen bi. anh huong ma.nh ma` no'i va^.y
> Ma~i ve^` sau nhu+~ng na(m 82-86 to^i mo+'i tha^'y co' nhie^`u sa'ch hay
> tu+` My~ la tinh ddu+o+.c di.ch va` xua^'t ba?n. Ho^`i ddo' nho+' la`
> ngoa`i "Tra(m na(m co^ ddo+n" co`n co' "Do^ Nha Ba'c-ba-ra" (Ba` Barbara)
"Mu`a di.ch ha.ch" nu+~a.
AH, chi'nh ba'c hay nha?y lung tung thi` co'. Ta.i sao la.i da^~n
Garcia Market o+? da^y ? Na(m kia to^i co' ddo.c mot truyen mo+'i cu?a
ong. Hi`nh nhu+ la` cu~ng da~ di.ch ra tieng Viet ro^`i.
> Tro+? la.i truye^.n Nga, trong ca'c ba'c tho+`i co^? ddie^?n thi` to^i
> thi'ch nha^'t ba'c Chekhov va` ca'c truye^.n nga('n cu?a ba'c. Co'
> truye^.n gi` ve^` tha(`ng be' con ddu+o+.c gu+?i ddi cu`ng mo^.t ddoa`n
> ddi buo^n da`i nga`y qua tha?o hoang le^n ti?nh ho.c to^i nay va^~n co`n
> thi'ch. Co`n ca'i truye^.n gi` thi` tha`o trong gio' "Anh ye^u em" ma`
Cha'c la` toi la^~n ong na`y voi Aimatov roi.
> Truye^.n cu?a ca'c ba'c Tostoi, Gogol, Doptoievski (spell?) ddo.c cu~ng
> ddu+o+.c nhu+ng nhie^`u khi depressing hoa(.c da`i qu'a, to^i chi.u
> kho^ng no^?i. Ho^`i co`n be' chi? nho+' nhu+ la` ba'c Tostoi be' co'
Kho^ng hie^?u ta.i sao ca'c ba'c hay co' "va^'n dde^`" vo+'i truye^n
da`i. To^i thi nguo.c la.i, ca`ng da`i ca`ng thi'ch vi` ddo.c duo.c
la^u :-)) ("Thuyen truong va Ddai uy" co hai ta^.p da^`y dday nhe' TH). Ly'
do la` to^i to`an ddo.c truye^n thue^. Ma` o qu'an thue^ sa'ch thi`
ho. ti'nh tie^`n theo nga`y, theo so^' quye^?n, chu+' kho^ng ddua va`o
ddo. da^`y mo?ng. Truye^.n nga('n thu+o+`ng de^~ mu+o+.n cu?a ba.n
ho+n vi` du` sao no' cu~ng to^'n it' tie^n. Ne^'u tha^.t thi'ch thi bot
tien qua` sa'ng ra mua cu~ng dduo+.c (Hey, mua dduo+.c truyen hay mo+'i
ra lo` kho^ng de^~ dda^u nhe', nha^'t la` mo+'i cho+'m lo+'n 12-13
tuo^?i thi` su+'c ma^'y ma` ta'n dduo.c "ca'c em" ba'n sa'ch xinh de.p)
Ma` ca'i tro` trao ddo^?i truyen/cat-xe't vo+'i ba.n ga'i de^? ro^`i
dduo.c dde^'n tra? truyen cu~ng ti`nh ra phe^'t ca'c ba'c a. (classic
trick, ca'c ba'c cha('c ba'c na`o cu~ng bie^'t va` va^.n du.ng ca?
ro^`i). May sao, ca'c co^ xinh, co' ta^m ho^`n la~ng ma.n thuo+`ng
cu~ng hay ddo.c truye^n, nghe nha.c.
> A` que^n co`n "Timua va` ddo^`ng ddo^.i" va` "So+.i chi? mo?ng manh"
> nu+~a :-).
Truyen cu?a Gaida toi cu~ng da~ tu+`ng ra^'t thi'ch. Nhung cu~ng tu+`
ho^`i tho` lo` mu~i xanh, la^u la('m ro^`i. Ba'c AH nho+' kha' tha^.t,
to^i kho^ng co`n nho+' dduo.c nhie^`u ve^` Aimatov nu+~a. Ma` cu~ng
ra^'t hay la^n may ong Nga voi nhau. Co' ma^y ti`nh tie^'t la~ng ma.n
thi` khong the^? quen dduo.c. Anh chang la'i xe bi. ke.t trong la^`y
ddang lui hu'i su+?a xe ngo' le^n tha^'y mo^t ba` gia` ddi u?ng xa'ch
xo^, ddu'ng ra la` chi? tha^'y ddo^i u?ng (hi`nh nhu+ trong "Ca^y phong
non ..." ?). Hi`nh nhu+ anh ta no'i gi` ddo' dda.i kha'i "xin mo+`i ba` gia` ddi
cho+i cho^~ kha'c" :->) Cuoi cung thi ra mot co^ ga'i xinh dde.p. Ca?nh
na`y la(.p la.i hai lan thi pha?i. Kho^ng nho co' pha?i la` co ga'i sap
pha?i ddi la^'y cho^`ng hoa.c bo me. co ta khong thi'ch anh chang hay
khong, chi? nho+' co' la^n na`o ddo' anh chang pho'ng xe nhu dien da.i
dde^? dden voi co^ ga'i, kip da`nh la.i ti`nh yeu cu?a co^ thi` pha?i.
Sau do anh chang vi kieu cang tu phu. hie^'u tha('ng ma` bi "ga^~y
ca^`u" trong vu. vuot ba~o tuyet (?) cho+? ha`ng thi pha?i. Ca?m gia'c
bi. mo.i nguoi xa lanh, chang den voi mot co kha'c da tu lau yeu tham
trom nho anh chang. Hai nguoi na`y sau cu~ng chia tay vi anh chang
khong the^? quen dduo.c nguoi yeu cu~. Co`n cay phong non thi` cu~ng
dda~ ddoi anh rat lau. Toi nho la doan cuoi rat buon, vi toi chi mong
hai nguoi tro la.i voi nhau. Co' le~ vi do.c cu~ng ho+i so+'m so vo+'i
tuo^?i. Tre? con tha^'y ca'i gi` dde.p cu~ng muo^'n giu+~ no' ma~i
dde.p (giong ca'c chi. nha` ta ba^y gio+`, nhu+ ba'c Vu~ (NIDA) dda~
da^~n Oscar Wilde: "'Always' is a word that women are so fond of using."
BTW, to^i tha^'y ca'c quotes kieu na`y chi co anh em la` fully ta'n
thu+o+?ng (khong nhat thie^'t la` ddo^`ng y' va` coi la` to^n chi?
cuo.c do+`i) bao gio chi. em cu~ng chi? chi.u dduo.c mot nu+?a ve^'.
VDu.
> it is the faithless who know love's tragedy."
Ca^u na`y ddem ra o dda^y cu~ng ho+.p.
> DDang no'i chuye^.n Ta^y sao ba'c la.i xo? chuye^.n Ta va`o la`m gi`?
> Ba'c ddo.c To^ Hoa`i co' ddo.c "DDa?o Hoang" cu?a tay na`y vie^'t kho^ng?
Co' co', to^i cu~ng ddo.c "DDa?o Hoang". Co`n nho+' co' ddo.an ta? ga^'u
me. bi. tra(n cuo^'n che^'t ra^'t thu+o+ng va` sau do' thi` (hai ?)
chu' ga^'u con dduo+.c An Tie^m cuu dem ve nuoi. Chu'ng ve sau ra^'t
gan bo' vo+'i hai du+'a con cu?a An Tiem.
> > gon). Nga`y xu+a chi? mo+ dduo.c sang Nga mot chuyen dde^? dd+o.c
> > chung kien ta^n ma^'t ca'i su+. vi dda.i cu?a ca'i ddat nuo'c va` dan
> > to^.c na`y (Giac mo+ toi gio va^n chu+a dduo.c thu.c hien, nhu+ng gio+`
> > thi` to^i bo+'t muo^'n ddi Nga ro^`i. Ca'c ba'c o LX ve ke^? chuyen
> > toan che^ nu+o+'c me. vi~ da.i la`m to^i ma^'t hu+'ng da^`n)
>
> To^i va^~n me^ ddu+o+.c sang Nga so^'ng mo^.t va`i na(m dda^'y ba'c a.
> To^i ra^'t muo^'n ddi xem cuo^.c so^'ng o+? ca'c tha?o nguye^n Nga, va`
> o+? ru+`ng Tai Ga Nga ra sao. Co' mo^.t ca'i gi` ra^'t tha^`m la(.ng, man
A^'y a^'y cho+' co' la~ng ma.n qua' ma` la.c trong ru+`ng. To^i va^~n
muo^'n sang Nga, tha(m St. Petersburg (Leningrad cu~) chi? ngai may
ba'c Mafia Nga la`m kho' de^~. Nghe no'i co' the^ ddi Ta^`u tu+` Berlin
qua Nga roi xuyen xuong Peking cu~ng hay. Chi? to^.i la^'y dda^u ra
nhieu nga`y nghi? the^' dde^? ma` ddi choi.
> To^i co' truye^.n thi` tha^`m "Anh ye^u em" na`y, ra^'t nga('n. Co' ba'c
> na`o xung phong che'p va`o kho^ng thi` to^i fax cho ba'c che'p va`o cho
> anh em cu`ng ddo.c.
Ba'c fax cho to^i xin mo^.t ba?n, kho^ng ddie^`u kien co duo.c khong?
Ca?m o+n ba'c tru+o+'c nhe'.
Toi chi da'm hu+'a la` se~ fax la.i cho na(m ba'c
dda^`u tie^n gui to^i requests. First comes first served.
Toi go~ cha^.m la'm. Ta chia nhau ra vay co' duo.c khong?
Cha'c la` o+? tre^n toi co' lan lo^.n ca'c truyen vo+'i nhau,
ba'c na`o nho+' dduo.c gi` xin go'p vui.
> Chu'c ba'c ngu? ngon.
Chu'c ba'c thi to^'t.
VH
dc/fax cu?a toi:
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Nguyen Viet Hai
Laboratoire de Bases de Données
Département d'Informatique, EPFL, Switzerland
Fax.: ++41+21 693 5195
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Topic No. 5
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:34:39 +0100
From: nguyen@dil.univ-mrs.fr (Viet Hung Nguyen)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: [film]"Thu+o+ng Nho+' DDo^`ng Que^" ddu+o+.c gia?i ta.i Fribourg
Message-ID: <199703111834.TAA20933@go06.dil.univ-mrs.fr>
Ch`ao ba'c An Ha?i va` ca'c ba'c!
Le^ Va^n ddo'ng vai Quye^n va` Quye^n o+? trong phim kho^ng pha?i la` ddi
du ho.c o+? My~ ma` la` ddi vu+o+.t bie^n sang My~, dda~ co' hai ddo+`i cho^`ng
mo^.t la` VN, va` mo^.t la` ngu+o+`i My~. Nghi~a la` gia` ho+n tuo^?i cu?a
Nha^m ra^'t nhie^`u. Chuye^.n trong phim kho^ng co`n mang dda^`y ddu? nhu+~ng
ne't la~ng ma.n nhu+ o+? trong truye^.n nu+~a, nhu+ng ra^'t hay, ca'i hay
na`y co' le~ ho+i kha'c vo+'i ca'i hay cu?a truye^.n. Bo^. phim chu? ye^'u
kha('c ho.a cuo^.c so^'ng kho^? cu+.c o+? no^ng tho^n. Nha^'t la` no^~i kho^?,
no^~i co^ ddo+n cu?a ngu+o+`i phu. nu+~ VN qua ca'c the^' he^. THe^' he^.
tru+o+'c thi` cho^`ng ra chie^'n tru+o+`ng ro^`i hy sinh (me. Nha^m),
the^' he^. sau thi` cho^ng bo? nha` ddi la`m a(n kho^ng co' tin tu+'c
(Ngu+~ chi. da^u NHa^m), co`n Quye^n thi` cu~ng vi` cho^`ng ma` pha?i ddi
vu+o+.t bie^n.
Lu'c tru+o+'c, khi ddo.c truye^.n to^i cu+' tu+o+?ng tu+o+.ng kho^ng bie^'t
ta'c gia? la`m phim thi` la`m nhu+ the^' na`o. Nhu+ng sau to^i tha^'y ca'ch
gia?i quye^'t cu?a dda.o die^~n DNM ra^'t hay va` tho^ng minh.
Chu'c ca'c ba'c vui!
Hu+ng.
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Topic No. 6
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:58:55 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703111858.TAA03503@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
Hallo,
> > Co ba'c nao dda ddo.c "Thuyen truong va Ddai uy'" (tieng Nga hinh nhu
> > la Dva Kapiteni ?) Quen mat la cu?a ai viet. Chi? co`n lo+` mo+` nho
> > ten co^ ga'i la` Katia (Cachia?) , con mot nha` tham hiem - thuyen
> > truong lung danh bi mat ti'ch trong mot chuyen tham hiem Bac cu+.c.
> > Con anh chang dai uy te^n la Xara/Xania? thi pha?i.
>
> Chuye^.n na`y nga`y xu+a to^i thi'ch khu?ng khie^'p, nhu+ng vi` chuye^.n
> da`y qua' ne^n ba` gia` chi? cho ddo.c trong he`. To^i khoa'i dde^'n no^~i
> ddi xe^'p ha`ng mua ga.o hay mua thu+.c pha^?m cu~ng va'c theo, trong lu'c
> cho+` ga.o ve^` kie^'m 1 xo' ddo.c.
Thu' vi. tha^.t. The^' co' la^`n na`o xe^'p so^? bi. qua' lu+o+.t pha?i
xa'ch bao ta?i ve^` kho^ng kho^ng ?
Ta'n lung tung ngoa`i dde^` mo^.t te.o. Tha(`ng ba.n tha^n nha^'t ho.c
cu`ng voi to^i tu+` lo+'p na(m dden ta^.n he^'t DH ten la` T. Du+o+ng
(ma(.t tro+`i mo.c). Chang hieu sao no' toa`n thi'ch ca'c co^ ten la`
Ha(`ng, Nguye^.t, mo^t ca'ch ra^'t ti`nh co+`. Co`n to^i thi` chuye^n
su+u ta^`m (nghi~a la` thi'ch, pha?i lo`ng tu+` nhe. dde^'n na(.ng
chu+' kho^ng co' nghi~a la` cho ddu+o+.c va`o tu'i) ca'c co^ te^n la`
Ha`, Giang, Hu+o+ng, Thu?y, to'm la.i ca'c loa.i so^ng nu+o+'c ao ho^`.
Lu'c na`o cu~ng huenh hoang: Co' con so^ng na`o ma` la.i cha(?ng cha?y
ra bie^?n, ddi ve^` dda^u ho+~i so^ng ... Ba'c An Ha?i nghe doa.n na`y
cu~ng ddo^`ng y' cho+'?
Tre^u ba'c mo^.t ty' va^.y tho^i, xin ddu+`ng gia^.n.
Nguo+`i hay nhu+ ba'c cha('c cu~ng kho^ng ai chi.u dde^? ye^n ma`
kho^ng ddu`a mo^.t ca^u.
Nhu+ng ba` gia` ba'c nghie^m kha('c nhu+ the^' thi` cu~ng pha?i tho^i, mo^.t
co^ be' la~ng ma.n nhu+ the^', ma` kho^ng nghie^m nhu+ the^' thi`, ... nha`
he^'t ca? ga.o ma` a(n.
VH
PS. Truyen TT&DU na`y hay cu~ng vi` nhu+~ng ddoa.n Cachia hoa.c Xara
ho^`i tuo+ng ve nguoi yeu cua mi`nh, tu+. viet no'i voi chinh mi`nh ve
ti`nh yeu cu?a mi`nh vo+'i nguoi kia ddeu duo.c viet duoi dang tu+.
thua^.t. Noi chung truyen ti`nh ma` cu' viet dang tu+. thua^.t kie^?u
"TO^I ye^u anh a^'y/co^ a^'y" la`m cho nguoi ddo.c de^~ hoa` mi`nh
vo+'i nha^n va^.t trong truyen.
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Topic No. 7
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:18:28 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703111918.UAA03513@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
Halihallo,
> Anh Viet Ha?i la`m nho+' dde^'n "Mo^.t chuye^.n ddu`a" cu?a Tsekhop.
> HD nho+' la` cha`ng trai dda~ ru? co^ ga'i ngo^`i cu`ng xe tru+o+.t
> tuye^'t tu+` tre^n nu'i lao xuo^'ng, cu+' khi na`o gio' tho^?i ma.nh
> nha^'t thi` cha`ng ke^u " to^i ye^u em" , Va` co^ ga'i ma(.c du` so+.
> tru+o+.t tuye^'t nhu+ the^' la('m nhu+ng va^~n muo^'n tru+o+.t dde^?
> nghe lo+`i no'i ddo', chi? tie^'c la` vi` so+. va` vi` gio' ma` co^
> kho^ng bie^'t ddo' la` tie^'ng gio' hay tie^'ng cha`ng trai. DDe^'n khi
> co^ ga'i lie^`u li~nh tru+o+.t mo^.t mi`nh dde^? xem co' the^? nghe
> tha^'y lo+`i no'i a^'y kho^ng, thi` no^~i so+. dda~ la^'n a't he^'t,
> va` co^ kho^ng bie^'t mi`nh nghe tha^'y gi` trong tie^'ng gio' nu+~a .
> HD ra^'t thi'ch truye^.n na`y va` nho+' nga`y tru+o+'c mu`a ddo^ng,
Ddu'ng la` truye^.n "Mo^.t chuye^.n ddu`a nho nho?" cua Tsekhov. Toi
nha^`m dda^'y. Dda^`u o'c te^. tha^.t. Ca?m o+n Ha Duong (va` anh
Tie^'n) dda~ ddi'nh chi'nh ho^.
BTW, trong ca'c ba'c co' ba'c na`o ham truo+.t tuyet hoa.c
schlittenfahren (hoi tre? con mot chut nhi?) kho^ng? Mu`a xua^n sang
den qua' nu?a roi. Gio+` chi co tuye^'t o+? tren 2000 m tho^i.
A bientot,
VH
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Topic No. 8
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:23:58 -0500 (EST)
From: giang@essc.psu.edu (Nong Tuan Giang)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703111923.OAA00112@constitution.essc.psu.edu>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
"Thuyen truong va dai uy" do Kaverin viet, tieng nga la`: "dva kapitana"
>Thie^n nhie^n va` con ngu+o+`i nu+o+'c Nga nhu+ va^.y, de^~
>sa?n sinh ra thie^n ta`i la('m. Chi? co' ddie^`u hi`nh nhu+
>ta.i "ta^m ho^`n Nga" ma` cha? bao gio+` nu+o+'c Nga gia`u ca?\.
Dat nuoc giau hay ngheo lien quan nhieu den the che chinh tri, den co so ha
tang va kien truc thuong tang, su giau ngheo cua mot dat nuoc theo toi it
lien quan den "tam hon". Nguoi nga thong minh, co "tam hon ca", giau tinh
cam,.....tuy nhien dat nuoc ho ngheo la do chuyen khac
. To^i co' ddo.c "Anna Keterina",
Khi con be toi duoc Dang va doan thanh nien giao duc dao duc xa hoi chu
nghia, vi vay toi rat cam ghet chuyen ngaoi tinh (khi do toi dang hoc pho
thong), toi cho ang ngoai tinh se pha vo hanh phuc gia dinh....
Nhung khi doc Anna Katerina thi Tolstoi da justify su ngoai tinh cua Anna
mot cach tuyet dieu lam cho toi khong the len an co nay ve chuyen ngoai tinh
duoc, sau do toi rut ra ket luan rang doi khi ngoa.i ti`nh cung co the
tolerate duoc.......
Toi thay
>. Truye^.n "Ba` Bovari" cu?a ai to^i que^n ma^'t.
Gustave Flaubert
>Va(n ho.c My~ kho^ng pha?i kho^ng co' ta'c pha^?m hay\. To^i ra^'t thi'ch
"Chu`m nho no^?i gia^.n".
Is it chu`m nho ua^'t ha^n do John Stenbach (to^i kho6ng nho+' te^n o^ng ta
vie^' nhu+ the^' na`o nu+~a) ??
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Topic No. 9
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:24:02 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: On again, off again...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311202036.21003A-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Aiviet Nguyen wrote:
> Hi Anh Ian,
> Nghe noi da^~n ba.n ga'i ddi a(n Oyster la` mo^.t offer ra^'t agressive
> kho^ng bie^'t ddu'ng sai the^' na`o. Dda'ng ra anh pha?i no'i dde^'n
> Oyster tru+o+'c 8/3 cho anh em co' di.p thi tho^' cho+'. :))
Tui bie^'t ngay ma`, ho^m truo+'c tui dda~ phu.c ba'c Vie^.t sa't ga^.m
ba`n vu. A'P - DU.NG, KHA'M - PHA', ho^m nay la.i pha?i la(n quay mo^.t
pha't nu+~a xuo^'ng duo+'i ga^.m ba`n.
Cheers,
La^m.
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Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:43:12 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Truyen Duong Thu Huong (was Re: Va(n Pautovski ... )
Message-ID: <199703111943.UAA03525@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
Hi,
Xin lo^~i ca'c ba'c mo^.t chu't: de nghi ca'c ba'c khong treo dda^`u
Pautovski ba`n chuye^.n Du+o+ng Thu Hu+o+ng, Please!
> Ca'i na`y thi` mi`nh ra^'t ddo^`ng y' vo+'i Hu+o+ng. Mi`nh ra^'t kho^ng thi'ch
> nhu+~ng truye^.n la`m Du+o+ng Thu Hu+o+ng no^?i tie^'ng " be^n kia bo+`
> a?o vo.ng". "thie^n ddu+o+`ng mu`".
>
> Hu+o+ng co`n nho+' truye^.n nga('n "Mu`a thu la.i ve^`" kho^ng. Ba` DTH vie^'t
> truye^.n na`y khoa?ng 1982. DDa^y la` Truye^.n mi`nh thi'ch nha^'t.
>
> >"Ha`nh Tri`nh
> >> tho+`i tho+ a^'u" cu?a Du+o+ng Thu Hu+o+ng la` to^i ca?m tha^'y thu' vi.
> >> nha^'t.
> >
...
> >no'i ve^` ca?m xu'c khi dda.(t cha^n dde^'n so^ng Be^'n Ha?i,... ra^'t hay.
> >Co`n nhu+~ng chuye^.n ba` vie^'t nhu+~ng na(m cuo^'i 80 to^i dd.oc kho^ng
> >tha^'y
> >hay la('m. (cha(?ng ha.n nhu truye^.n "Chuye^.n ti`nh ke^? tru+o+'c lu'c
> >ra.ng ddo^ng")
Ba'c na`o dda~ ddo.c "Tieu thuye^t vo^ dde^`" ro^`i xin cho biet y'
kien. Hi`nh nhu+ truyen bi. cam o VN. O day toi cu~ng thay ba'n cuo^'n
na`y (xuat ba?n o Cali) nhung hoi dda('t.
VH
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Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:31:10 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: So^' sie^u phu+'c
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311211921.21003F-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi folks,
Hu? le^'u tui di ho.c thi` do^'t nha^'t lo+'p ve6` toa'n, thi DH thi`
suy't ro+'t ddi ta^y chi? vi` ddie^?m toa'n, dda~ kho^ng bie^'t gi` ve^`
to'an la.i cu+' thi'ch no'i chuye^.n so^' ma'. Nha^n ba'c Paul raise vu.
so^' a^m so^' duo=ng le^n, tui intuitively nho+' co' la^`n ddo.c dda6u
ddo' ve^` so^' sie^u phu+'c cu?a o^ng Hamilton co' da.ng a + bi + cj + dk,
trong ddo' i^2=j^2=k^2= -1,
ij=-ji, ik=-ki, jk=-kj.
Ca'c ba'c hu? toa'n (ba'c Zu~ng, etc.) va` hu? ly' (ba'c So+n, ba'c
Tie^'n, etc.) la`m o+n cho bie^'t u+'ng du.ng cu?a so^' sie^u phu+'c
na`y vo+'i, ma` so^' sie^u phu+'c na`y ta ne^n hie^?u la` the^' na`o ho+?
ca'c ba'c?? Nghe no'i co' lie^n quan dde^'n spin.
Thanks in advance.
La^m.
On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Paul Pham wrote:
>
> sorry, need helps on another topic: representation of
> floating point in Digital computer ..
>
> assume real-number is represented as 32-bits as follows:
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> fraction ! exponent
> -------------------------------------------------
> 24 bits for fraction 8 bits for exponent
>
> the 1st bits of fraction and exponent is sign bit
>
> the floating point must be normalized ;ie that the first bit and second
> bit in the fraction must be of opposite sign. for example
>
> positive number 0 1 .......
> negative number 1 0 .......
>
> so a real number is computed as +- a * (2 ** b)
> where 0.5 <= abs(a) <= 1.0 (abs = absolute value)
> and -128 <= b <= 127
>
> question: given a real number, need an alogorithm to convert it
> into the above machine reprensentation.
> PDP
>
>
> hi all,
>
> assume: negative integer is represented in digital computer
> as 2 complement and assume 4 bits computer
>
> so -3 looks like: 1101
> and 1101 = 13 as a positive number (forget the sign bit)
> 13 = 16 - 3
>
> so in general if we have n-bits computer, a negative integer number
> b in 2 complement is 2**n + b (in postive representation).
>
> the above statement is intuitively true.
> Comment anyone ???.
>
> PDP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Topic No. 12
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:33:53 +0100 (MET)
From: Vu Quoc HUNG <hung@vsb.cz>
To: Toan <toan@usa.net>
Cc: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Thank ba'c Toa`n toan@usa.net for REs: [HELP] VN editor for NT 4.0
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.970311205408.25628A-100000@decsys.vsb.cz>
> Tui vo^'n dda'nh ma'y do+~ la('m ne^n sai hoa`i ha`.
> ddu'ng la`:
>
> http://www.kreative.net/toan/software
To^i cu+ CTRL+INS ro^`i SHIFT+INS nen cu~ng cha(?ng nhi`n gi` ca? Sau
cha(c phai so+` nga('m ca^?n tha^.n ro^`i mo+i vo^ !!
Ma^'y ca'i font VNI o+ cho^~ ba'c dda~ la` qua' ddu? ro^`i, ca^`n gi` phai
xem o+ http://www.vnisoft.com/english/download.htm . Istall xong ma^'y
ca'i VNI xong, quay sang ms word thay no' hie^.n ngay chu+~ VIET, dda~
qua', la.i in dduoc nua~ chu+, phai co^ng nha^.n la` co^ng cua ba'c Toa`n
tha^.t to. La`m the^' na`o dde? gui sang usa 1 cha^`u biiaa ba^y gio+`:-)
> Tui se~ dde^? ma^'y chu+~ VNI le^n nha` kho tui cho ba'c la^'y. Co`n muo^'n
> editor thi` hi`nh nhu+ kho^ng co' editor. chi? co' ba`n chuye^?n/dda'nh
> chu+~ (keyboard converter) cha.y ddu+o+.c trong NT tho^i. Ba'c xem bo^.
> cu?a TriChlor. theo tui nghe thi` cha.y trong NT ddu+o+.c nhu+ng chu+a
> thu+?.
>
> URL cu?a TriChlor la`:
>
> http://www.trichlor.org/
>
Gio+` chi? co`n thie^'u mo^~i keyboard converter la` xong va^'n dde^` tieng
viet for NT, nhu+ng ti`m ma~i o+ trichlor ma` k0 ra, du` sao ho^m nay tu+`
ma^'y ca'i resource cu?a ba'c Toa`n download ve^` mo^.t ddo^'ng vn font.
Thank again.
, ,
("\''/").___..--''"`-._
`o_ o ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`)
(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Me`o tra('ng hay me`o dden
_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' mie^~n thi.t ngon la` ddu+o+.c
(il),-'' (li),' ((!.-'
Hu`ng.
+---------------------------+----------------------------------------+
"Bill Gate's daughter will be the best product from MS".
P.S ai ca^`n gio+i thieu vo+i ba.n be` ve^` VN ha~y tha(m
http://www.kreative.net/toan/viet.html
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Topic No. 13
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:48:49 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [HELP] VN editor for NT 4.0
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311214316.21003G-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Vu Quoc HUNG wrote:
> Hi ca'c ba'c va` ca'c chi,
>
> Da.o nay toi co' va`i vie.c pha?i viet va` ddo.c tieng Vie.t, xong ma^'y
> ca'i editor nhu+ cu?a ho.i chuyen gia vn k0 du`ng ddu+o+c trong NT 4.0,
> va^.y muon ho?i xem co' ai co' ca'i editor na`o du`ng dduoc trong nt 4.0
> thi` len tieng cho ba` con nho+`. Ve va^'n dde copyright :-((( co' le~
> ca'c ba'c cu+ e-mail rieng cho toi. Va? la.i tren vnsa-l mo+i co' khoa?ng
> 215 members nen cha(c van dde na`y k0 nghiem tro.ng la(m. :-)))))
>
> Hai, toi co' va`i file ms word .doc files tieng Viet, muon ddo.c va` in
> no', nhu+ng k0 co' may cai fo^n VNI-Helve va` VNI-* va^.y ba'c na`o gi'up
> dduoc thi` ca`ng tot. Toi biet cha(c la` may ba'c admins ra`nh chuye.n
> na`y la(m.
>
> Ca'i URL cu?a ba'c Toan (toan@usa.net) http://www.kreative.net/toan/sofware
> k0 to^`n ta.i, dde^` nghi. ba'c dde^? la^u the^m 1 chu't.
>
> Hi vo.ng ca'c ba'c gi'up.
>
> , ,
> ("\''/").___..--''"`-._
> `o_ o ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`)
> (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Me`o tra(ng hay me`o dden
> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' mie^~n thi.t ngon la` ddu+o+.c
> (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-'
>
Hi Hu`ng,
Hay la('m. Ca^u na`y se~ ghi va`o tuye^?n ta^.p Le^'u tu+? Ca^.u ve~ com
me`o ba(`ng ca'ch na`o dda^'y, chi? cho to+' vo+'i.
Rie^ng: Ca'i ddo' la` VNI ta^n ky`, to+' kho^ng co`n ca'i chuo+ng tri`nh
tie^'ng Vie^.t ddo' trong diskett nu+~a (no' chi? cho na.p co' 5 la^`n la`
he^'t). Ma` ma^'y ca'i fonts ca^'t trong hard disk thi` to+' kho^ng la`m
ca'ch na`o lo^i ra cho ca^.u dduo+.c. ne^'u co' sa'ng kie^'n gi` ba?o
to+'.
La^m.
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Topic No. 14
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:20:43 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Timing
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311221330.21003J-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, AnHai Doan wrote:
>
> Cha`o ca'c ba'c, sa'ng ra dda~ tha^'y co' nhie^`u chuye^.n hay qu'a,
> chuye^.n na`o cu~ng muo^'n nha?y va`o. Nhu+ng co' le~ dda`nh cho+` dde^'n
> to^'i va^.y.
>
> Truye^.n "Thu+o+ng nho+' ddo^`ng que^" cu?a Ng~ Huy Thie^.p dda~ dda(ng
> tre^n VNSA. Ba'c na`o muo^'n ddo.c thi` cu+' me`o cho to^i hoa(.c va`o
> VNSA Webpage
> ta.i http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/anhai/vnsa/vnsa.html ma` lu.c
> lo.i. Kho archive la` no+i co^ng co^.ng, mong ca'c ba'c cu+' tu+. nhie^n
> nhu+ ruo^`i.
>
> Nghe ba?o Le^ Va^n ddo'ng vai Quye^n, co^ be' ddi du ho.c My~ ve^` tha(m
> la`ng trong phim na`y. Va`i ho^m nu+~a co`n ba`i ve^` Le^ Va^n se~ dda(ng
> cho ca'c ba'c ddo.c. Ha?i.
ba'c Ha?i o+i, ba'c co' nhie^`u truye^.n thi` nho+' timing ma` post. Nha^n
dda^y xin nha('n chung ca'c ba'c co' nha~ y' "ba'nh ngon be? ddo^i, sa'ch
hay chung ddo.c" vo+'i anh em la` ca'c ba'c la`m o+n nhi`n nhau va` nhi`n
mo.i ngou`i ma` post ca'c thu+' le^n. Dda so^' da^n cho+. ta pha?i 2-3
ho^m mo+'i "ddi cho+." mo^.t la^`n. tui ddang pha?i xe^'p xo' (save) 5-6
ba`i (ma^'y truye^.n nga('n, bi`nh,...) dde^? xem sau kia ki`a. Ca?m o+n
ca'c ba'c nhie^`u.
La^m.
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Topic No. 15
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:28:36 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a (3/3)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311222347.21003K-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Viet Hai va` ca'c ba'c dde^? y' dde^'n HH&CM,
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Viet Hai NGUYEN wrote:
> Ca?m o+n anh Ba?o dda post ba`i na`y. Hom tet vu+`a roi ngoi han huyen
> voi ca'c anh chi trong hoi "VK yeu nuo'c" cung duo.c nghe ke so+ ve
> dieu mu'a cu?a ca'c cu. la~o no^ng na`y. Nay mo+'i dduo+.c biet kha'
> tron ve.n ve^` Mme Thu?y va` cong cuo.c du+ng vo+? mu'a. Nghe noi Mme
> Thu?y chi chon cac cu. ba` dda rat lon tuoi, tu be' den lo+'n chi biet
> cay lua', nuoi con, tham chi chua bao gio ra den thanh pho. Dong ta'c
> ca^'y lua, nho^? co?, ga.t mu`a,... cu?a ca'c cu. co^.ng voi net ma(.t
> kha('c kho^?, tha^n hi`nh gia` nua ga^y an tuong rat manh cho nguoi
> xem, dac biet la may anh Ta^y vo^~ tay kinh la('m. Co' le~ la` ddu'ng
> gou^t cu?a ho.. Con da^n nha` mi`nh thi la.i nghe^.t ra, khong ca?m thu.c
> dduo.c ma^'y (Ma^'y anh VK ddi cu`ng ddoa`n ba?o the^').
>
Hi`nh nhu+ chi. Nguye^~n Thu?y Sola chu+a pha?i la` Mme, chi. va^~n co`n
la` Melle. Ca'i na`y quan tro.ng la('m ddo' nghen. I might be wrong, pls
correct me.
> Kho^ng bie^'t du+ lua^n co^ng chu'ng o VN khi xem the^' na`o? Kho^ng
> tin ma^'y tay nha` ba'o thi'ch chuye^n gia^.t ga^n dduo+.c. Co' ai
> dda~ xem ta^.n ma('t "Ha.n ha'n va` co+n mu+a" chu+a ?
>
Ba'c co' the^? ddo.c ba`i "Ta?n ma.n cuo^'i na(m" cu?a em post on VNSA
ho^`i Te^'t Ta, trong co' ddoa.n no'i ve^` pha?n u+'ng o+? trong nuo+'c
ve^` vo+? die^~n HHvCM khi die^~n o+? VN.
Cheers,
VHLa^m.
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Topic No. 16
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:38:12 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Phu. nam Phu. nu*~
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311223051.21003L-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Ian,
Ba'c no'i ddu'ng. Tui "ddie^`u tra xa~ ho^.i ho.c" tha^'y nhie^`u na`ng
cu?a Ta di la^'y ta^y la` vi. he^'t chi.u no^?i ca'i tho'i gia truo+?ng
cu?a dda`n o^ng Annam. La.i "ddie^`u tra xa~ ho^.i ho.c" thi` tha^'y dda`n
ba` Ta`u khoa'i dda`n o^ng Ta ho+n dda`n o^ng "cu?a ho." vi` dda`n o6ng VN
ddo+~ gia truo+?ng ho+n dda`n o^ng Ta`u. Tuy nhie^n xem xong chuye^.n anh
So+n post thi` tha^'y ca'i "ddie^`u tra xa~ ho^.i ho.c" kia cu?a tui chi?
ddu'ng locally.
Other. Tui va`o dda^y cu~ng co' mu.c ddi'ch la` dde^? va' vi'u vo^'n
lie^'ng tie^'ng Anh (hie^?u theo ca? 2 nghi~a). Xin to^n ba'c Ian la`m su+
phu. do vu. to/from...
Nay xin nho+` ba'c chi? giu'p "gia truo+?ng" co' pha?i paternalism?
Thank you in advance.
La^m.
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Ian Bui wrote:
>
> Cai' dde^` tai` nay` cu~ng ngo^.#. To*' co' bo^n' ba` chi. va`
> mo^.t co^ em gai'. Trong so^' ddo' chi? co' ba` chi. ca? la`
> ngu*o*i` duy nha^'t la^y' cho^`ng VN, con` ma^y' ngu*o*i`
> kia la^y' ngu*o*`i ngoa.i quo^'c he^t' rao'. Noi' chung chung
> thi` kho^ng phai? vi` ly' do kinh te^' gi` ca? ma` la` vi` ho.
> la` nhu*ng~ ngu*o*i` ddan` ba` tu*. la^.p va` ddo^.c la^.p quen
> ro^`i ne^n kho^ng cam no^i? cai' attitude cua? ddan` o^ng VN,
> nha^'t la` nhu*~ng ngu*o*`i co' tu* tu*o*?ng sa<.c mui` Kho^?ng
> Tu*? kie^u? tho*i` phong kie^'n ma` dde^'n ba^y gio*` va^~n con`.
>
> Ke? ha^.u sinh nay` kho^ng dam' che^ cu. KT, nhu*ng va^~n tha^y'
> trong mo*' giao' ddie^u` ma` cac' tin' ddo^` cu?a cu. dde^` xu*o*'ng
> tho*`i xu*a nhie^u` cai' ngay` nay dda~ tro*? tha`nh lo^i~ tho*i` va`
> la.c ha^.u he^t' cho^~ noi' (nhu* la` Tro.ng nam khinh nu*~ v.v.)
> Ddo.c tin tu*'c VN nghe ca'c vu. cho^`ng gie^'t vo*., con so^' cac'
> ba` ca'c co^ tu*. tu*? gia ta<ng v.v. lam` to*' la.i nghi~ kho^ng
> bie^t' xa~ ho^.i VN ta phai? lam` sao dde^? chui ra khoi? cai' ro.
> "Kho^?ng" lo^` nay`. Co' the^? nao` su*. thay ddo^?i trong tu*
> tu*o*?ng se~ dde^'n da^`n da` theo dda` pha't trie^?n kinh te^'
> cha<ng?
>
> Vu. nay` cha<'c la` phai? nho*` dde^'n cac' bac' gai' giu'p du`m,
> xem co' ca'ch nao` cho bo.n lie^`n o^ng chu'ng em tu*. "giai? pho'ng"
> mi`nh cho so*'m, keo? kho^ng cho'ng thi` cha^`y se~ tha`nh "museum
> pieces" [e^ sa<'c] he^'t ca? dda'm!! :)))
>
> Sa<~n no'i ve^` ho^n nha^n xin cho noi' leo qua va^'n dde^` ti`nh
> ye^u trai gai' mo^.t ti' cho vui :) Theo to*' nghie^.m thi`
> ho^n nha^n la` ke^'t qua? cu?a nhu*~ng su*. ti'nh toa'n (ra^'t
> ca^`n thie^'t cho ddo*`i so^'ng) co`n ti`nh ye^u (romantic love)
> thi` nhie^`u khi cha<?ng bie^'t dda^u ma` mo` (nhu*ng cu~ng ra^'t
> ca^`n thie^t' cho ddo*`i so^'ng, kho^ng ke'm) Ti`nh ye^u ma` ddi
> dde^'n ho^n nha^n nhie^`u khi cu~ng to^'t, nhu*ng ti`nh ye^u ma`
> chi? dde^? trong bu.ng co' le~ to^'t ho*n :)))))
>
> Cheers,
> Ian
>
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Topic No. 17
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:48:12 +0100
From: VietHai.Nguyen@di.epfl.ch (Viet Hai NGUYEN)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Va(n Pautovski va` ca'c vi. kha'c (was re: movie ...)
Message-ID: <199703112148.WAA03601@lbdsun1.epfl.ch>
Halihalo ca'c ba'c,
>tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de vie^'t
> ...
> Va(n ho.c Pha'p cu~ng vi~ dda.i\. Tuy va^.y to^i cu~ng chu+a bao gio+`
> ddo.c he^'t "Nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i kho^'n kho^?". To^i chi? ddo.c tro.n ve.n
Ba'c ma` kho^ng thi'ch "Nh+~ng nguoi khon kho" thi la. that.. To^i
chi.u dduo.c ma^'y la^`n la^.n. Co' the^? cu~ng vi ra'ch vie^.c la.i
sa'ch cu?a nha` ne^n hay ddo.c di do.c la.i. Ho^`i be' toi ddo.c thuong
ba'c Gia(ng van Gia(ng (???) vo^ cu`ng. Ca? ca'i ong ma^t tha'm suot
doi lu`ng bat GvG cuoi cu`ng to^i cu~ng thuong no^'t. Co`n co^ be' Co^
de't yeu dduong the na`o toi quen roi. Me. co^ mot mi`nh nuoi co cung
kho^?. Toi cho rang truyen na`y co' anh huong rat lon dden van ho.c
Vietnam thoi Pha'p thuo.c. Chi/ pha?i ca'i da`i. Nhung cu~ng co the
ba'c thien vi LXo^. Chien tranh va` ho`a binh thi chac la` ba'c nghien
he^'t ca? bo^..
> "Nha` tho+` DDu+'c ba` Pari", "93". Truye^.n nga('n cu?a Monpatxang (sp ?),
> Merime cu~ng hay la('m. Truye^.n "Ba` Bovari" cu?a ai to^i que^n ma^'t.
Flaubert (sp?) ?
> lu+o+'t qua\. Banzac thi` kho^ng pha?i la` ngu+o+`i to^i ha^m mo^., khi
> na`o cha? co`n gi` ddo.c thi` to^i va'c Banzac ra coi\. Zola co' truye^.n
Ba'c kho^ng thi'ch "mieng da lu+`a" a`? Wie schade!
The^' co`n "Ca^.u tu'", "Ngu+o+`i no^?i da^.y", ... Toa`n truyen da^`y,
da`i nhie^`u ta^.p :-(
Hay "Les trois mousquetaires" ? Ho^`i be' to^i thi'ch ca'c loa.i truyen
kiem hie.p kieu nay la('m. Co' ra^'t nhie^`u versions film cu?a truyen
na`y, ca? Nga, Y' cu~ng co'. Nhung chi co version Phap la` xem duo+.c.
Fim My~ vua roi quay tren TV xem thay nha.t pheo` ma` die^~n vie^n la.i
kho^ng dde.p nu+~a.
>
> Va(n ho.c My~ kho^ng pha?i kho^ng co' ta'c pha^?m hay\. To^i ra^'t thi'ch
> "Cuo^'n theo chie^`u gio'", "Chu`m nho no^?i gia^.n". To^i nghi~ co' ddo.c
Co', to^i cu~ng thi'ch "Cuon theo ...". to^i nha^.n lo^~i ho^` ddo^` ro^`i.
> huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk vie^'t:
>
> Da^n Anh cu~ng co' nhie^`u nha` va<n no^?i tie^'ng.
Ddo^`ng y' vo+'i ba'c Huy. To^i co' do.c hai ba truyen cu?a Dicken
(sp?) va` mo^.t lo^ ki.ch cu?a Shakespeare (sp?). Ca? truyen gi ve
ca^.u be' cu`ng di keo' da`n lam xie'c rong voi cu. Vitali nhi? Co'
ma^'y con cho' biet lam tro` y'. Ca^.u ta le~ ra dduo+.c thu+`a ke^' gia
ta`i ma` la.i bi. tra'o va`o mot nha` thuo+`ng dan. B'ac na`o ra tay
vu+.c ca'i tri' nho+' lo~ng bo~ng cu?a to^i la.i? Nho+' ro^`i: "Kho^ng
gia ddi`nh". Hi`nh nhu+ cu~ng truyen Anh. Ho^`i nho? ddo.c cu~ng thi'ch
me^ to+i. Nhung cha? hie^?u sao ma` toi la.i thien le.ch cho van hoc.
Nga va Pha'p nhu+ va^.y. Biet la`m sao dduo.c.
> hdinh@haiti.cs.uni-potsdam.de vie^'t
> ...
> A, co`n Turgeniev (?) va` "Mo^'i ti`nh dda^`u" nu+~a chu+', sao kho^ng
> tha^'y ai nha('c dde^'n nhi?. To^i mua quye^?n truye^.n nga('n Turgeniev
Toi co`n nho cu~ng rat thi'ch truyen na`y. Truyen the na`o nhi? ba'c co
the^? da.o va`i ddu+o+`ng dduo+.c kho^ng ? Nga.i di.ch thi` ba'c cu+'
tuo+ng ca? tie^ng Ddu+'c ra cu~ng dduo.c. Danke sehr.
A bientot,
VH
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Topic No. 18
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:00:28 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Go+.i nho+' ky? nie^.m
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970311225449.21003M-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Phan Thi Ha Duong wrote:
> HD cu~ng thi'ch truye^.n "DDa?o Hoang" la('m, nho+' ma~i ho^m a^'y
> vu+`a ddo.c xong truye^.n thi` buo^?i tru+a ti`nh co+` me. mua du+a
> ha^'u ve^` a(n. DDo.c tu+` ho^`i be', ne^n sau na`y HD nho+' co' mo^~i
> mo^.t ca^u : " Mie^'ng a(n ngon la` mie^'ng a(n go+.i nho+' ky? nie^.m
> ". Sang Pha'p xa nha` ma^'y na(m, la.i ca`ng tha^'y tha^'m thi'a ho+n.
>
Hi ba'c Ha Duong et al,
Tui ddi xa nha`, tha^'y cha? cu+' mie^'ng ngon ma` dde^'n ca? ca'i na('m
dda^'m cu+?a ba(`ng su+' tra('ng, ca'i bie^?n te^n pho^' ma`u xanh, ca'i
ro^ bi ne^... cu~ng go+.i nho+' ky? nie^.m. Ddo' la` ca'i ho^`i tui qua
Pha'p, ddang o+? Ddu+'c sang ngo+~ nhu+ VN ddang o+? dda^u dda^y. Ddi da.o
trong khu Cite', khu gi` co' Bo^. Ta`i chi'nh, nhu+~ng con dduo+`ng vo+'i
2 ha`ng ca^y, nhu+~ng ca'i ha`ng ra`o,... sao cu+' nhu+ ddang da.o buo+'c
tre^n dduo+`ng Tra^`n Hu+ng Dda.o nha` mi`nh.
Cheers,
La^m.
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Topic No. 19
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:29:27 -0500 (EST)
From: Dung Nguyen <dungn@CapAccess.org>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ca^`n giu'p o+? Baltimore, Maryland USA
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91-FP.970311182723.24951A-100000@cap1.capaccess.org>
To^i o+? ca'ch Baltimore 45' nhu+ng co' ba.n la`m vie^.c o+? ddo'. Ba'c
ca^`n gi` thi` cu+' nha('n. Giu'p ddu+o+.c ba.n to^i se~ la`m.
Du~ng
On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Toan wrote:
> La`ng ta co' ba'c na`o hie^.n o+? Baltimore no'i tie^'ng Vie^.t (the^m ti'
> tie^'ng Qua?ng thi` ca`ng to^'t) va` co' lo`ng tha`nh thi` co' gia ddi`nh
> ca^`n giu'p ddo+~. Ho. ddang ga(.p kho' trong ngo^n ngu+~ va` nhu+~ng da`n
> xe^'p ho.c ha`nh cho ba ddu+'a con tre?
>
> Ho. ca^`n i't hu+o+'ng da^~n va` giu'p ddo+~ lai rai. Ba'c na`o giu'p
> ddu+o+.c thi` bo+' to^i mo^.t tie^'ng.
>
> Ca?m o+n nhie^`u.
>
> Toa`n
>
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