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VNSA-L digest 294
VNSA-L Digest 294
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: VN contra China (for Peter)
by Sonnet Nguyen <sonnet@theta1.ifpan.edu.pl>
2) Thank you for Tu dien EVA
by nguyen.d@ccmail.cgi.fr
3) What happens if China invades?
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
4) Re: Nho+' ve^` HP: "Tha`nh pho^' hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?"
by Bui Duy Thanh <etc59651@ait.ac.th>
5) Tin Viet Nam (20.3)
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
6) Re: VKT dictionnary
by VU KHAC Tri <tvk@info.fundp.ac.be>
7) FAQ/US studies
by Ha Le <ha@math.wayne.edu>
8) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i ... ta (human beings)
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
9) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i ... ta (human beings)
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
10) Tin Viet Nam (21.3)
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
11) Re: Vietnam and China
by Nguyen Tuan Trung <nttrung@alfa.mimuw.edu.pl>
12) Re: What happens if China invades?
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
13) Re: Tin Viet Nam (21.3)
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
14) Re: China & Vietnam
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
15) Re: What happens if China invades?
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 15:30:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Sonnet Nguyen <sonnet@theta1.ifpan.edu.pl>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: VN contra China (for Peter)
Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.95.970321134902.479A-100000@theta1.ifpan.edu.pl>
Dear Peter,
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 Peter_Donahoe@notes.rbs.org wrote:
>
> From: Peter Donahoe@RBS on 03/21/97 08:04 AM
>
>
> Dear Sonnet: I think maybe you are being a little too harsh in
> this part of your 3/20/97 post regarding China:
You are absolutely right: I was too harsh for posting this criticism
adressing to the WEST. I meaned here only a paradox of conflict between
an interes and morality and ethics. On one side West has a good
codex of ethics and often say (and often teach other) about morality and
ethics, but on other side West praticed and practice completly different
things which are unaceptable.
>
> 1) Few if any in the West expect a free or democratic China,
> except perhaps in our dreams. Most of the West is puzzled by,
> afraid and uncertain of China. Images of students shot and
> crushed by tanks, and recent missile firings and naval maneuvers
> near Taiwan are all very real to the West.
Free and democratic China is in WEST's interes. Inpedently of
everything (exeption war), China'll become a wold's superpower.
Obviously, Nobody need an evil superpower like China.
>
> 2) Few in West are doing anything at all to help Tibet. They
> have no actual national or security interest for doing so. They
> also just don't know HOW to help Tibet. Short of military
> intervention, only massive, universal, international long-term
> economic sanctions offer any hope of influencing Chinese policy
> toward Tibet - that is still unlikely to succeed, and leaves the
> West criticized by many nations for meddling in Chinese internal
> affairs.
Relation WEST-China and relation WEST-Tibet create a good example
of a war between interes and morality. At this moment nobody
(except tibetians) expect that WEST uses powerful weapon "economic
sanctions" to help Tibet. What is important here: morality or interes?
>
> 3) I honestly don't know enough about Kurdistan to know what
> you are referencing. If you mean the conflicts between the
> Kurds and both the Iraqi and Turkish governments then again, it
> is easy to criticize the West's INaction - but offering a moral
> and practical course of action is difficult. The Kurds are a
> nation with no country. That CAN be blamed on Europeans who
> died long ago. But what can Europeans in 1997 do about a
> multinational ethnic conflict in Asia?
Kurds like Tibetians have a right for their country. But there are a
difference between a sytuation of both nations: WEST has no interes of
appearing a country "Kurdistan" and WEST has a little interes for
independence of Tibet.
(At least China becomes smaller, weaker and less dangerous). For this
reason, many people talk about independent Tibet and almost nobody want to
hear about independent Kurdistan. What is more important: Morality or
interes?
>
> 5) Never dismiss the morality and ethics preached by the West.
> That's harmful. That makes it easy for the West to be fat,
> lazy, and hypocritical. Instead, challenge us at every turn to
> LIVE UP TO and honor that morality and those ethics.
> Challenging us on it sometimes stirs us to action, and change.
> This worked for Gandhi, and it worked for Dr. Martin Luther
> King, Jr. It's worked for more people and in more places than I
> can list.
At this moment, consumtion is dominating value in the WEST and WEST has a
lot "private" problems to solve. Morality and ethics, we can hear it in
the churchs.
>
> Wasn't it Gandhi who said Western morality and ethics were our
> great vulnerability? Probably he was speaking of the British.
> But his point was that we value those so much that confronting
> us and revealing our own hypocrisy truly could be a more
> powerful weapon than a gun.
>
Today, people are less ideological than in the past. Method od Gandhi
probably doesn't work.
When I talk about Morality (and Ethics) of the WEST, I just mean morality
of the WEST's goverments. Of couse, many people in the WEST still respect
and live accordance with the principle of morality. They (not their
goverments) did do a lot for Tibet, Kurdistan and Idians in South America.
I have a respect to them and not to their goverments.
regard,
SN
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Topic No. 2
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 97 16:59:49 EST
From: nguyen.d@ccmail.cgi.fr
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Thank you for Tu dien EVA
Message-ID: <9702218589.AA858992768@pctest.cgi.fr>
Cam o'n cac ban dda? giup tui co TD Viet/Anh/Viet EVA
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Topic No. 3
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:25:11 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: What happens if China invades?
Message-ID: <97032116251143@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
Dear friends,
If China invades the islands and the seas, what will happen?
1) China invades Vietnam's islands, then the Philippines, then Brunei's,
then Malaysia's, then Indonesia. One by one, when their turn come, the SEA
countries forfeit their islands and eventually the whole of the SEA sea
belongs to China, as stated in Chinese maps.
2) ASEAN unites for common defence. China is stronger than ASEAN and
ASEAN is scared of China, but in reality China is a land power and Thailand,
Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, the Philippines are well protected from China
by distance, terrain and the sea, and China cannot take the war to most
ASEAN countries. Suppose China attacks an ASEAN island. ASEAN sends planes
to attack the Chinese fleet. The Chinese fleet would then be very vunerable.
The British at Falklands had one of the best fleet in NATO, much better than
the Chinese fleet today. The Argentine aircrafts had to operate at the limit
of their ranges, which ASEAN aircrafts won't have to. Still, the basic Excocet
missiles and unguided bombs (many didn't even explode) nearly defeated the
British fleet and America had to supplement its air defence. I don't think the
Chinese fleet can attack ASEAN. China can bomb Vietnam. China can invade Vietnam
by land. This will `teach Vietnam a lesson', but it will be costly to China
and it will not bring benefits to China. So, Vietnam will be battered, but
China will not prevail over ASEAN and ASEAN can resist China's push into
the SEA sea. Unless China resorts to weapons of mass destruction...
If the world gives in to China now, like it did to Germany and Japan in the 30s,
the above scenarios won't only be be Vietnam's problem, and it won't only
be ASEAN's problem either.
Huy
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Topic No. 4
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:38:53 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Bui Duy Thanh <etc59651@ait.ac.th>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Nho+' ve^` HP: "Tha`nh pho^' hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?"
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970321232233.25753A-100000@alphaserv.ait.ac.th>
Chao cac anh chi,
Minh ghi ten vao VNSA-L da lau ma it co dieu kien dong gop bai, ke cung ay
nay. Hom nay doc bai cua a. Hai noi ve thanh pho Hoa phuong do, thay muon
gop vai loi.
Hai phong la que minh, nen bai hat nay doi voi minh cung rat than thuoc.
Tuy vay minh cung khong biet ai la tac gia.
Tet vua qua ve VN du dam cuoi mot nguoi ban cung hoc pho thong. May anh
ban cung lop hat di hat lai bai ay, tranh het ca phan cua ca si chuyen
nghiep. Tham thoat, minh di xa Hai phong cung da 20 nam roi. Goi la di xa,
nhung nam nao cung ve tham nha, chung kien tung doi thay cua thanh pho que
huong.
Xin phep hieu chinh mot so cho trong bai theo tri nho cua minh. Khong dam
chac la that chinh xac.
Than ai,
Bu`i Duy Tha`nh.
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, AnHai Doan wrote:
>
> Cha`o ca'c ba'c, cha`o ba'c Ho^` Tu' Ba?o,
>
> Xin ma.n phe'p ba'c Ba?o dda(ng la.i ba`i vie^'t "cu~ ri'ch cu~ ro+" cu?a
> bac' tre^n VKS ve^` ba`i "Tha`nh pho^' hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?", que^ no^.i
> to^i va` tha`nh pho^' dda(.t te^n cho to^i. "Chu+a dde^'n chu+a tha(m ma`
> dda~ nho+'...", chu+a mo^.t la^`n dda(.t cha^n le^n que^ no^.i, nhu+ng
> va^~n co' ca?m gia'c tha^.t ga^`n gu~i va` da die^'t, mong dde^'n nga`y
> ga(.p ma(.t.
>
> Ca'ch dda^y va`i tha'ng, tha^.t vui mu+`ng khi nha^.n ddu+o+.c tin
> que^ no^.i to^i nay la` tha`nh pho^' ke^'t nghi~a vo+'i Seattle,
> no+i to^i ddang so^'ng.
>
> O+? dda^y co' ba'c na`o que^ o+? Ha?i Pho`ng cha(ng? Ha?i.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ho^m qua tre^n ta`u ve^` nha`, to^i nho+' va` ghi la.i lo+`i ba`i ha't
> "Ngu+o+`i Ha` no^.i" (co' chi?nh la.i sau khi to^'i ve^` nghe la.i
> ba(ng). To^i cu~ng thu+? nho+' la.i (lo~m bo~m) lo+`i ba`i ha't
> "Tha`nh pho^' hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?" ve^` Ha?i pho`ng,
>
> Che'p la.i dda^y ca'c ba.n ddo.c cho+i, cu`ng nho+' chu't ve^` ca'c
> tha`nh pho^' cu?a chu'ng ta, va` ne^'u ai nho+' thi` su+?a
> du`m. Thanks.
>
>-------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Tha`nh pho^' hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?
>
> Tha'ng Na(m ro+.p tro+`i hoa phu+o+.g ddo?
> O^i Ha?i pho`ng tha`nh pho^' que^ hu+o+ng
> Ta ye^u tha`nh pho^' que^ ta
> Nhu+ ye^u nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i tha^n ye^u nha^'t
> Nhu+~ng he.n ho` be^n bo+` so^ng La^'p
> Nhu+~ng con ddu+o+`ng ta^'p na^.p a'o tho+. nga`y dde^m
> Nhu+~ng Be^'n Bi'nh, ??? ???, ca^`u Ra`o, ca^`u Va^'p, La.c vie^n
Nhu+~ng Be^'n Bi'nh, Xi ma(ng, ca^`u Ra`o, ca^`u -Da^'t, La.c vie^n
> Nhu+~ng ca'i te^n nghe cha(?ng tho+ dda^u
> Nhu+ng vo+'i ta vo^ cu`ng tha^n thuo^.c
> O^i tha thie^'t tu+. ha`o que^ hu+o+ng
>
> Ho+~i em ye^u trong dde^m da`i tie^~n bie^.t
> Xin he.n nhe' Sa`i Go`n, DDa` na(~ng (???)
Chu+a tro.n nghi~a Sa`i gon` -Da` na(~ng
> Ta ta.m bie^.t xa nhau (???)
> Cha`o pho^' Ca?ng tha^n ye^u
>
> Ha?i pho`ng ddo' que^ ta anh du~ng phi thu+o+`ng (???)
Ha?i pho`ng -do' hie^n ngang chi? bie^'t ngu+?ng -da^`u
> Trong dda.n lu+?a bom ro+i kie^n cu+o+`ng
Tra(m tra^.n -da'nh tre^n que^ ta kie^n cu+o+`ng
> Ha?i pho`ng o+i!
> Ho^m nay va^'t va? nhu+ng ta va^~n tha^'y ro^.ng da`i ra.ng ro+~
Ho^m nay be' nho? mai ta se~ tha^'y ro^.ng da`i ru+.c sa'ng
> Sa'nh vai cu`ng Sa`i Go`n, DDa` na(~ng ddi le^n.
Sa'nh vai cu`ng Sa`i go`n -Da` na(~ng que^ hu+o+ng
>
> O^i tha`nh pho^' tha'ng Na(m
> Hoa phu+o+.ng ddo? que^ hu+o+ng
> Ta mang Ngu+o+`i trong suo^'t tra'i tim ta.
>
> (Tho+ Ha?i Nhu+, nha.c ???)
>
>
>
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Topic No. 5
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:09:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: vnsa <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Tin Viet Nam (20.3)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321175838.23120A-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
- Vie^.t Nam Ke^u Go.i The^' Gio+'i Ho^~ Tro+. Gia?i Quye^'t Tranh
Cha^'p O+? Hoa`ng Sa\.
(Ha` No^.i - Reuter) Nga`y 20/3/97, Vie^.t Nam le^n
tie^'ng ke^u go.i the^' gio+'i ho^~ tro+. gia?i quye^'t vu.
tranh cha^'p khai tha'c da^`u khi' giu+~a Ha` No^.i va` Ba('c
Kinh ta.i vu`ng qua^`n dda?o Hoa`ng Sa\. DDa.i su+' ca'c quo^'c
gia trong Hie^.p Ho^.i Ca'c Quo^'c Gia DDo^ng Nam A' (ASEAN)
ddu+o+.c mo+`i nghe tri`nh ba^`y ve^` vie^.c Trung Quo^'c vo+'i
da`n khoan Kim Tan III ddang thu+.c hie^.n khoan da^`u ta.i lo^
113 trong pha.m vi vu`ng kinh te^' dda(.c bie^.t the^`m lu.c
ddi.a ha?i pha^.n Vie^.t Nam.
Pha't ngo^n vie^n Bo^. Ngoa.i Giao Vie^.t Nam loan
ba'o tru+o+'c ky' gia? ba'o chi' ngoa.i quo^'c ta.i Ha` No^.i
nga`y thu+' Na(m 20/3 nhu+ sau: "Chu'ng to^i dda~ minh ddi.nh
la` no+i da`n khoan Kim Tan III ddang hoa.t ddo^.ng hoa`n
toa`n thuo^.c vu`ng kinh te^' dda(.c bie^.t cu?a the^`m lu.c
ddi.a Vie^.t Nam. Vie^.t Nam mong muo^'n gia?i quye^'t mo.i
tranh cha^'p ba(`ng thu+o+ng tha?o\. Nhu+~ng be^n lie^n he^.
ca^`n tu+. che^', kho^ng ha`nh ddo^.ng la`m cho ti`nh hi`nh
the^m phu+'c ta.p, hay ha(m do.a su+? du.ng vo~ lu+.c". Pha't
ngo^n vie^n gia?i thi'ch la` vi` ti`nh tha^n hu+~u giu+~a Trung
quo^'c va` Vie^.t Nam, cu~ng nhu+ vi` hoa` bi`nh va` ho+.p ta'c
trong vu`ng, Ha` No^.i ye^u ca^`u Ba('c Kinh dda'p u+'ng ti'ch
cu+.c ba(`ng ca'ch do+`i da`n khoan kho?i vu`ng ha?i pha^.n bi.
xa^m pha.m va` ke^u go.i su+. ho^~ tro+. cu?a the^' gio+'i\.
Tha'ng 7 na(m 1995, Vie^.t Nam ddu+o+.c gia nha^.p
kho^'i ASEAN, va` ha`nh ddo^.ng va`o ASEAN ddu+o+.c mo^ ta? nhu+
vi` ddo^.ng co+ kinh te^' va` ye^'u to^' chie^'n lu+o+.c, muo^'n
ti`m su+. ho^~ tro+. ma.nh me~ cu?a ASEAN tru+o+`ng ho+.p xa^?y
ra tranh cha^'p vo+'i Trung Quo^'c.
Mo^.t DDa.i su+' ASEAN ta.i Ha` No^.i, nga`y 20/3, tuye^n bo^'
ra(`ng: "Ca'c nu+o+'c ASEAN coi va^'n dde^` tranh cha^'p hie^.n
ta.i chi? la` su+. tu+o+ng quan song phu+o+ng giu+~a Co^.ng Sa?n
Vie^.t Nam va` Trung Co^.ng ma` kho^'i ASEAN kho^ng tha^'y ca^`n
tham du+. va`o\. Chu'ng to^i kho^ng muo^'n co' mo^.t pha?n u+'ng
chung cu?a ASEAN, va` ha~y dde^? cho hai be^n gia?i quye^'t vo+'i
nhau"!
Tu+o+ng tranh bie^n gio+'i tre^n dda^'t lie^`n va` tre^n bie^?n
la` va^'n dde^` tranh cha^'p giu+~a Vie^.t Nam va`
Trung Quo^'c ma` hai be^n ho^.i ba`n gia?i quye^'t tu+` nhie^`u
na(m qua nhu+ng kho^ng mang la.i ke^'t qua? cu. the^? na`o\.
Vu`ng bie^?n tu+` Vi.nh Ba('c Bo^. to+'i phi'a Nam la` qua^`n
dda?o Hoa`ng Sa, ca'ch DDa` Na(~ng Trung pha^`n Vie^.t Nam 170
ha?i ly'. Vu`ng bie^?n tu+o+ng tranh hie^.n ta.i ca'ch bo+`
bie^?n Trung pha^`n Vie^.t Nam 64.5 ha?i ly'.
- To^?ng Tu+ Le^.nh Qua^n DDo^.i My~ Vu`ng Tha'i Bi`nh Du+o+ng
Tha(m Vie^.t Nam.
(Ha` No^.i - AFP) To^?ng tu+ le^.nh qua^n ddo^.i My~ vu`ng Tha'i
Bi`nh Du+o+ng, DDo^ DDo^'c Joseph Bruher, dda~ dde^'n Ha` No^.i
nga`y 20/3/97 dde^? ho^.i dda`m vo+'i ca'c gio+'i la~nh dda.o
qua^n su+. Vie^.t Nam. DDa^y la` la^`n dda^`u tie^n
vi. Tu+ le^.nh qua^n ddo^.i My~ o+? Tha'i Bi`nh Du+o+ng dde^'n
Vie^.t Nam ke^? tu+` khi Hoa Ky` mo+? Toa` DDa.i su+' o+? Ha`
No^.i va`o tha'ng 8/95.
Trong 2 nga`y o+? Vie^.t Nam, DDo^ DDo^'c Bruher du+. tru` ho^.i
dda`m vo+'i Bo^. tru+o+?ng Quo^'c Pho`ng DDoa`n Khue^ va` Ngoa.i
tru+o+?ng Nguye^~n Ma.nh Ca^`m. Chuye^'n ddi na`y cu?a tu+ le^.nh
My~ o+? Tha'i Bi`nh Du+o+ng xa?y ra chi? va`i tua^`n sau khi mo^.t
pha'i ddoa`n si~ quan cao ca^'p VN tha(m vie^'ng Hoa Ky`.
Theo mo^.t nguo^`n tin qua^n su+. Hoa Ky` ddu+o+.c AFP tri'ch
da^~n cho ra(`ng Washington va` Ha` No^.i muo^'n ddo^'i
thoa.i ve^` ma(.t qua^n su+., nhu+ng sau chuye^'n ddi na`y cu?a
vie^n tu+ le^.nh Tha'i Bi`nh Du+o+ng cu?a My~ thi` ha~y co`n la^u
mo+'i no'i to+'i chuye^.n ho+.p ta'c qua^n su+. cu?a 2 nu+o+'c.
Chuye^'n vie^'ng tha(m na`y tru`ng ho+.p vo+'i tho+`i ddie^?m
quan he^. Trung Quo^'c va` Vie^.t Nam ddang ca(ng
tha(?ng vi` vie^.c Trung Quo^'c cho mo^.t gia`n khoan to+'i vu`ng
bie^?n ngoa`i kho+i mie^`n Trung Vie^.t Nam tha(m do ti`m da^`u
ho?a.
- Bo^. Tru+o+?ng Ta`i Cha'nh Hoa Ky` DDe^'n Tha(m Vie^.t Nam.
(Ha` No^.i - AFP) Mo^.t pha't ngo^n vie^n Bo^. Ngoa.i Giao
Vie^.t Nam, nga`y 20/3/97, cho bie^'t la` Bo^. tru+o+?ng
Ta`i Cha'nh Hoa Ky` se~ dde^'n tha(m Vie^.t Nam tu+` nga`y 6
dde^'n 8/4/97 dde^? ba`n ve^` vie^.c ky' ke^'t mo^.t hie^.p
ddi.nh thu+o+ng ma.i song phu+o+ng giu+~a hai nu+o+'c dda~ tha?o
lua^.n tu+` na(m 95.
Trong khi ddo', thi` mo^.t pha'i ddoa`n doanh nghie^.p tu+ nha^n
cu?a My~ cu~ng dde^'n Vie^.t Nam, da^~n dda^`u pha'i ddoa`n na`y
la` o^ng Ernest Power, chu? ti.ch ho^.i ddo^`ng doanh nghie^.p
Hoa Ky` - DDo^ng Nam A'. Nga`y 19/3, o^ng Power dda~ ke^u go.i
Vie^.t Nam ca^`n ta^.p trung nhie^`u ho+n nu+~a va`o ca'c la~nh
vu+.c no^ng nghie^.p va` che^' bie^'n thu+.c pha^?m. O^ng Power
khuye^'n ca'o Vie^.t Nam ra(`ng chi'nh sa'ch cu?a Vie^.t Nam
nha(`m thay the^' ha`ng nha^.p kha^?u ba(`ng ha`ng no^.i ho'a do
ca'c co^ng ty quo^'c doanh sa?n xua^'t se~ kho^ng co' hie^.u
qua?. Theo o^ng Power thi` ca'c co^ng ty quo^'c doanh Vie^.t Nam
ddang ddu+o+.c nha` nu+o+'c u+u dda~i dda~ kho^ng co' kha? na(ng
va` se~ kho^ng ca.nh tranh no^?i vo+'i nu+o+'c ngoa`i\. Mo^.t khi
Vie^.t Nam gia nha^.p kho^'i ma^.u di.ch tu+. do cu?a ASEAN, go.i
ta('t la` AFTA, va` To^? chu+'c Ma^.u Di.ch The^' g io+'i (WTO),
Vie^.t Nam se~ bi. dda^?y lu`i ra dda`ng sau do vie^.c ca'c co^ng
ty quo^'c doanh cu?a nha` nu+o+'c bi. le? loi va` pha' sa?n.
Theo pha^n ti'ch tre^n thi` kinh te^' cu?a Vie^.t Nam ddang
ddu+'ng tru+o+'c mo^.t tho+`i ddie^?m quye^'t ddi.nh. Kinh te^'
Vie^.t Nam ca^`n pha?i ddu+o+.c cha^'n chi?nh sa^u ro^.ng trong3
na(m to+'i dda^y, ne^'u kho^ng se~ bi. ca'c nu+o+'c trong Hie^.p
Ho^.i Ca'c Quo^'c Gia DDo^ng Nam A' (ASEAN) dde` be.p. Ngoa`i ra,
theo o^ng Ernest Power, Vie^.t Nam kho^ng ne^n lo so+. pha?i
nha^.p kha^?u ha`ng ho'a, vi` Vie^.t Nam co' nhie^`u tie^`m na(ng
xua^'t kha^?u ne^'u bie^'t pha't huy, ddo' la` la~nh vu+.c no^ng
nghie^.p va` che^' bie^'n no^ng pha^?m. Vie^.t Nam co' the^?
vu+o+.t le^n ne^'u bie^'t pha't trie^?n 2 u+u ddie^?m cu?a mi`nh.
Chu? ti.ch Ho^.i ddo^`ng doanh nghie^.p DDo^ng Nam A' Hoa Ky`
cu~ng khuye^'n ca'o la` ngu+o+`i ngoa.i quo^'c se~ kho^ng dda^`u
tu+ va`o la~nh vu+. no^ng nghie^.p ddu+o+.c chi'nh phu?
Vie^.t Nam u+u tie^n ba?o ve^. ne^'u ho. kho^ng tha^'y na(ng
lu+.c cu?a la~nh vu+.c kinh te^' no`ng co^'t.
- Ho^.i Tha?o Kho^'i Pha'p Ngu+~ Ve^` Vi. Tri' Cu?a Vie^.t Nam
Trong Kho^'i\.
(Paris - AFP) "Mo^.t cuo^.c ho^.i tha?o ve^` vi. tri' cu?a Vie^.t
Nam trong kho^'i Pha'p ngu+~, nha^n nga`y Pha'p ngu+~ the^'
gio+'i, cu~ng la` di.p ti`m hie^?u the^m ve^` Vie^.t Nam vi`
trong sa('p to+'i Vie^.t Nam ddu+o+.c giao cho vie^.c to^? chu+'c
ho^.i nghi. thu+o+.ng ddi?nh kho^'i Pha'p ngu+~ na(m 1997". Tre^n
dda^y la` lo+`i khai ma.c buo^?i ho^.i tha?o cu?a o^ng Jean Louis
Ward, gia'm ddo^'c co+ quan Pha'p ngu+~ ACCT, mo+'i vu+`a ddo^?i
te^n la` Agence de Francophonie, ta.i trung ta^m Va(n Ho'a
Valoni - Bruxelles o+? Paris, vo+'i chu? dde^` "Vie^.t Nam
tru+o+'c the^`m ho^.i nghi. thu+o+.ng ddi?nh Pha'p ngu+~ la^`n
thu+' 7".
Ba ta'c nha^n ddu+'ng ra to^? chu+'c buo^?i ho^.i tha?o na`y la`
Co+ quan Kho^'i Pha'p ngu+~ ACCT, Co^.ng ddo^`ng Pha'p ngu+~ ta.i
Bi? (trung ta^m va(n ho'a Valoni - Bruxelles) va`
Vie^.t Nam. Phi'a Ha` No^.i co' 2 ngu+o+`i kha'ch mo+`i la` nha`
va(n Hu+~u Ngo.c, gia'm ddo^'c Ta.p chi' Nghie^n cu+'u Vie^.t
Nam, tri`nh ba`y ve^` va(n ho'a Vie^.t Nam, va` gia'o su+ DDa`o
The^' Tua^'n, chuye^n gia ve^` pha't trie^?n khu vu+.c No^ng
nghie^.p, tri`nh ba`y ve^` kinh te^' Vie^.t Nam. Phi'a Pha'p co'
nh a` su+? ho.c Philippe de Wiler, chuye^n nghie^n cu+'u ve^`
li.ch su+? Vie^.t Nam hie^.n dda.i, go'p pha^`n gio+'i thie^.u
bo^'i ca?nh chung ve^` li.ch su+? Vie^.t Nam.
Vi` na(m nay ho^.i nghi. thu+o+.ng ddi?nh kho^'i Pha'p ngu+~ se~
to^? chu+'c ta.i Vie^.t Nam va`o tha'ng 11, ne^n ngoa`i buo^?i
ho^.i tha?o na`y se~ co`n co' nhie^`u buo^?i ho^.i tha?o kha'c
ve^` Vie^.t Nam se~ ddu+o+.c to^? chu+'c ta.i Bi?, Thu.y Si~...
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Topic No. 6
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:53:09 +0100
From: VU KHAC Tri <tvk@info.fundp.ac.be>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: VKT dictionnary
Message-ID: <3.0.1.32.19970321185309.006902f0@info.fundp.ac.be>
> When i click on "disk1" to download the Eva dictionnay on your site i
> 've an error message (Forbidden bad user dictionnary)
> So i've load it from another size (wich mentionned that it is your
> copy)-
You could try again, please.
Regards.
*-------------------------------*-----------------------------------*
| VU KHAC TRI. | http://www.info.fundp.ac.be/~tvk/ |
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Topic No. 7
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:17:01 -0500 (EST)
From: Ha Le <ha@math.wayne.edu>
To: vnsa <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: FAQ/US studies
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970321125747.6813A-100000@mathsun.math.wayne.edu>
Dear Friends,
As you know, Ba'c Huy Duong is coming to Vietnam soon. I think it
mgiht be a good idea to ask Ba'c Huy, and probably many others who will
be visitting VN, to help us introducing this FAQ in Vietnam. I know
that our FAQ is in fact just a bunch of draft articles with even grammar
mistakes, but still it contains lots of extremely useful information.
Besides, we badly need feedback from Vietnam to continue our work with
the FAQ. cheers!
ha
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Topic No. 8
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:18:37 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i ... ta (human beings)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321201350.2564C-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Hoa`ng, Ba?o and all,
Tui thu+? the^m ma('m the^m muo^'i comment ma^'y ca^u ba'c Ba?o dda~ go'p:
>
> A(n nhanh, ddi cha^.m, hay cu+o+`i
> Hay mua ddo^` cu~ la` ngu+o+`i Vie^.t nam
> ...
>
Nghe`o ddo'i, tie^?u no^ng, la.c quan.
> Tri' thu+'c Vie^.t nam tha^.t la` kinh
> Mo^.t ngu+o+`i (tha(`ng) vu+`a no'i chi'n ngu+o+`i (tha(`ng) khinh
> ...
Ta^`m nhi`n cha^.t he.p, ca'i nhi`n ma(.c ca?m.
Cheers,
La^m.
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Topic No. 9
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 20:33:06 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i ... ta (human beings)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321202734.2564D-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ca'c ba'c Anhai, et al,
>
> Vie^.t Nam co' ti'nh ca^`n cu`
> Thi.t ro+i xuo^'ng dda^'t tho^?i phu`, la.i a(n
Ba'c no'i the^' na`o. VN mi`nh k0 co' thi` nha(.t nha.nh tu+`ng ti',
chu+' ma` co' thi` phi' pha.m bo? xu+`. Ta^y pha?i so+. su+. la~ng phi'
cu?a ta. Nghe dda^u trong nuo+'c ddang du+. tha?o Pha'p le^.nh ve^`
cho^'ng la~ng phi'.
>
> 2) No'i ve^` li.ch su+? VN bo^'n nga`n na(m va(n hie^'n:
>
> Tu+` trong hang dda' chui ra
> Vu+o+n vai mo^.t ca'i ro^`i ta chui va`o
>
Hi`nh nhu+ cu. Che^' Lan Vie^n co' ba`i tho+ "4000 na(m ta la.i la` ta".
> Tha^n,
>
La^m.
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Topic No. 10
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:47:05 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: vnsa <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Tin Viet Nam (21.3)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321214007.2564I-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
- Thu+.c Hie^.n Giai DDoa.n 1 La`m DDu+o+`ng Khu Co^ng Nghe^.
Dung Qua^'t.
Du+. a'n xa^y du+.ng 2 tuye^'n ddu+o+`ng no^'i
Quo^'c lo^. 1A vo+'i Khu Co^ng Nghe^. Dung Qua^'t dda~ ddu+o+.c
Bo^. Giao Tho^ng Va^.n Ta?i va` Bo^. Ke^' Hoa.ch-DDa^`u Tu+
tri`nh le^n chi'nh phu? phe^ duye^.t dde^?
tie^'n ha`nh trong qu'y II na(m 97. Theo du+. tru`m tuye^'n phi'a
Ba('c da`i 13,3km ba('t dda^`u tu+` Do^'c So?i (ca^y so^' 1028 +
140 tre^n quo^'c lo^. 1A) dde^'n ca?ng Dung Qua^'t co' quy mo^ 8
la`n xe, trong giai ddoa.n 1 la`m 2 la`n xe; ddoa.n tuye^'n na`y
co`n co' ca^`u Tra` Bo^`ng da`i 500m, vo^'n dda^`u tu+ 75,5 ti?
ddo^`ng. Tuye^'n phi'a Nam da`i 17km, co' 6 la`n xe, ddie^?m
dda^`u no^'i quo^'c lo^. 1A ta.i ca^y so^' 1040 + 450 dde^'n
ddi.a ddie^?m xa^y du+.ng Nha` ma'y Lo.c da^`u so^' 1. Vo^'n
dda^`u tu+ giai ddoa.n 1 cu?a du+. a'n na`y khoa?ng 217,1 ti?
ddo^`ng, ddu+o+.c dda^`u tu+ trong hai na(m 1997-1998.
- Voi Du+~ Hoa`nh Ha`nh ta.i Tie^n Phu+o+'c.
Trong tha'ng qua, mo^.t dda`n voi 7 con ddang
hoa`nh ha`nh du+~ do^.i ta.i xa~ Tie^n Hie^.p, huye^.n Tie^n
Phu+o+'c, Qua?ng Nam (ca'ch Quo^'c lo^. 616 chu+a dda^`y 1 ca^y
so^'). Ti'nh so+ kho+?i dda~ co' 11 vu+o+`n ru+`ng cu?a da^n
tho^n 4 xa~ Tie^n Hie^.p bi. dda`n voi na`y gia`y na't (1000
me't vuo^ng lu'a nu+o+'c bi. a(n sa.ch va` 300 go^'c que^' bi.
xe'o na't), trong va`i nga`y tru+o+'c dda^y, nhu+ng may ma('n
la` kho^ng co' ai bi. thie^.t ma.ng. Nguye^n dda`n voi na`y la`
mo^.t ba^`y lo+'n tru' o+? vu`ng ru+`ng phi'a Ta^y Qua?ng Nam.
Vie^.c pha' ru+`ng dda~ xua dda`n voi na`y cha.y va`o thung lu~ng
Na` Thao (Tie^n Phu+o+'c). Hie^.n dda`n voi kho^ng ddu? ddo^ng
dde^? vu+o+.t so^ng Tranh tro+? ve^` ru+`ng dda.i nga`n, ne^n
ha`ng na(m, nhu+ mo^.t chu ky` tu+` tha'ng 1 dde^'n tha'ng 3,
dda`n voi dde^`u tra`n ve^` khu vu+.c da^n cu+ dde^? kie^'m a(n.
Ti'nh me^.nh va` ta`i sa?n nha^n da^n trong vu`ng ddang bi. ddeo
do.a; ha^`u he^'t mo.i ngu+o+`i dde^`u hoang mang, lo so+.,
nhu+ng vi` co' "pha'p le^.nh ba?o ve^. dda`n voi", ne^n ngu+o+`i
da^n Tie^n Phu+o+'c dda`nh bo' tay ddu+'ng nhi`n chu'ng hoa`nh
ha`nh!
- Giu+~a Tha'ng 5-1997, Sai` Go`n Se~ Co' 5 Qua^.n Mo+'i\.
Le^ Thanh Ha?i, pho' Chu? ti.ch U?y ban Nha^n da^n tha`nh pho^'
Ho^` Chi' Minh, kie^m pho' Tru+o+?ng ban Chi? dda.o
thu+.c hie^.n vie^.c tha`nh la^.p 5 qua^.n mo+'i, cho bie^'t la`
Ban chi? dda.o ddang sa('p xe^'p nha^n su+., chua^?n bi. bo^.
ma'y o+? ca^'p qua^.n nhu+ Ban cha^'p Ha`nh la^m tho+`i kho^'i
DDa?ng, bo^. ma'y chi'nh quye^`n, Ho^.i ddo^`ng Nha^n da^n....
Va^'n dde^` lo+'n nha^'t la` bo^. ma'y cu?a 56 phu+o+`ng mo+'i
cu?a 5 qua^.n mo+'i\. Tru+o+'c ma('t, ca'c qua^.n mo+'i dde^`u
co' thua^.n lo+.i ve^` co+ so+? va^.t cha^'t, chi? co' qua^.n 2
co`n kho' kha(n. Va(n pho`ng Kie^'n tru'c su+ Tru+o+?ng cu?a
tha`nh pho^' no'i ra(`ng ddang tie^'n ha`nh quy hoa.ch la.i khu
trung ta^m cu?a ca'c qua^.n, phu+o+`ng mo+'i, ddi.nh bie^n, da^n
so^', ca'c khu ddi.nh cu+, ca'c khu da^n cu+\....
Theo Le^ Thanh Ha?i, lua^.t ddi.nh danh sa'ch ca'c Ban cha^'p
ha`nh, U?y ban, Ho^.i ddo^`ng la^m tho+`i\... pha?i nie^m ye^'t
cho da^n bie^'t tru+o+'c 60 nga`y, tru+o+'c khi die^~n ra cuo^.c
ba^`u cu+? Quo^'c Ho^.i kho'a X (du+. kie^'n tie^'n ha`nh trong
tha'ng 7-1997). Nhu+ va^.y, ca'c qua^.n mo+'i pha?i "ra ma('t"
tru+o+'c nga`y 20/5/97.
- 54.820 Vu. Vi Pha.m Pha'p Le^.nh Ba?o Ve^. Ru+`ng.
Theo ba'o ca'o chu+a dda^`y ddu? cu?a 41 Chi
Cu.c Kie^?m La^m trong ca? nu+o+'c, tu+` 1996 dde^'n tha'ng
1-1997, dda~ kha'm pha' 54.820 vu. vi pha.m lua^.t ba?o ve^.
ru+`ng. Trong ddo', co' 1.192 vu. cha(.t pha' ru+`ng, 2.880 vu.
pha' ru+`ng la`m ra^~y, 4.257 vu. khai tha'c la^m sa?n, 8.737 vu.
mua ba'n ta`ng tru+~ la^m sa?n va` 25.744 vu. va^.n chuye^?n la^m
sa?n tra'i phe'p. Nga`nh la^m nghie^.p cho bie^'t dda~ ti.ch thu
45.190 thu+o+'c kho^'i go^~ tro`n va` 14.170 thu+o+'c kho^'i go^~
xe? ca'c loa.i\. Ba('t giu+~ va` tha? 2.233 ddo^.ng va^.t so^'ng
hoang da~ tro+? la.i ru+`ng. Nhu+ng chi? mo+'i thu no^.p cho
nga^n sa'ch ho+n 100 ti? ddo^`ng.
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Topic No. 11
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:44:56 +0100
From: Nguyen Tuan Trung <nttrung@alfa.mimuw.edu.pl>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Vietnam and China
Message-ID: <199703212050.OAA00816@batch1.csd.uwm.edu>
> On the other hand, Vietnam is already experienced in operating
> fighters vectored by radars. And an aircraft carrier can field a
> limited numbers of planes.
I heard that Vietnam purchased from Russia a squadron of SU-27s Flanker,
top modern fighters considered (also by the West) to be one of the best
fighters of the world. I don't know the exact number of planes purchased,
but the bad news is that I am sure China had bought the same aircrafts
from Russia in much larger quantities, and is negotiating with Russia to
buy a licence to manufacrure them in China.
Sometime back I read that China also bought several Sovremenyi class
destroyers equipped with deadly Sunburn sea-sea missiles and they kept
negotiating with Russia on a possible order of an aircraft carrier, most
probably a Piotr Velikij class. And I don't see why they won't be able
to buy some Aegis-like cruisiers from the cash eager Russians. So it is only
a matter of time before China can form a powerful battlegroup. :(
> About France. Recently France has been the first country to propose many
> peace keeping operations. France is one of the countries that is quickest to
> send forces to protect its interests and nationals. In the 80s France helped
> Chad, once its colony, to fight Lybian aggression. France was one of the
> countries which defined the borders between Vietnam and China. If Vietnam asks
> France for help to defend these borders, France's pride and colonial romanticity
> will oblige it to give at least material help. We have only to gain to enter
> into treaty with France.
I wouldn't be so enthusiastic about the readiness of the French to intervene
in our favour. In 1939 France and Great Britain showed Poland how much a military
alliance with them really was worth. I think "No Frenchman will die for Hoang Sa"
best describes our chance to get military help from France, even if we have a
military alliance with her (which we don't). Besides, with the Chinese navy being
rapidly modernized, I don't think France has a superiority over China in naval power.
The only hope for us thus remains in the US or/and ASEAN joint efforts, but
we will have to offer to be the first defense line to contain Chinese agression
in the SEA region, which, at least to me, resembles very much the scenario:
"US and/or ASEAN will fight China to the last Vietnamese." So sad, but it is
probably our fate.
Trung
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Topic No. 12
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:01:32 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: What happens if China invades?
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970321163045.5619A-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi Anh Huy,
Do you know the strategy " Vie^~n giao ca^.n co^ng"? If China really wants
to conquest for teritory, she will court the other ASEAN countries first.
The second step will target at the nearest country, in this case it is VN.
There will be no common effort.People are short-sighted.
I don't think China did all this stuff because she wants teritory.
Whatever the motivation is VN is an ideal victim.
No inland war will happen. VN should have at least three defense
fronts in North. Each would cost China at least haft millions. The second
front at Chilang Bac can will be tough as they could only come one by one.
After Song Thuong, if they have a lot of tanks ( at the rate 10/1) they
can roll to Hanoi in two or three hours. Even in that case, it will also
be very tough to go down through Tam Diep, Song Gianh,... And what is
that for? The price to pay for is that China will loose the last chance
to modernization and the chance to be defeated at second and even first
front is high. Russia, US, and Western countries would be very happy to see
that. China is not crazy.
However a small collision could happen on water. VN has no chance there.
Anh Vu Ca talked about the real situation of our fleet. I just would like
to add, we are not as well equipped as even Thai pirates.
We should avoid such a collision also. Certainly we should raise
voice cleverly.
One question I would like to ask about the sovereinity of VN over
those islands. How is the ownership of VN legal and clear?
I talked to few mainland Chines "friends"(?? or enemies). They are quite
confident that those islands belonged to China.
I am sorry about my ignorance. But I never read anything about this.
Can any body educate me?
Thanks
Aiviet
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997
huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk wrote:
> Dear friends,
>
> If China invades the islands and the seas, what will happen?
>
> 1) China invades Vietnam's islands, then the Philippines, then Brunei's,
> then Malaysia's, then Indonesia. One by one, when their turn come, the SEA
> countries forfeit their islands and eventually the whole of the SEA sea
> belongs to China, as stated in Chinese maps.
>
> 2) ASEAN unites for common defence. China is stronger than ASEAN and
> ASEAN is scared of China, but in reality China is a land power and Thailand,
> Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, the Philippines are well protected from China
> by distance, terrain and the sea, and China cannot take the war to most
> ASEAN countries. Suppose China attacks an ASEAN island. ASEAN sends planes
> to attack the Chinese fleet. The Chinese fleet would then be very vunerable.
> The British at Falklands had one of the best fleet in NATO, much better than
> the Chinese fleet today. The Argentine aircrafts had to operate at the limit
> of their ranges, which ASEAN aircrafts won't have to. Still, the basic Excocet
> missiles and unguided bombs (many didn't even explode) nearly defeated the
> British fleet and America had to supplement its air defence. I don't think the
> Chinese fleet can attack ASEAN. China can bomb Vietnam. China can invade Vietnam
> by land. This will `teach Vietnam a lesson', but it will be costly to China
> and it will not bring benefits to China. So, Vietnam will be battered, but
> China will not prevail over ASEAN and ASEAN can resist China's push into
> the SEA sea. Unless China resorts to weapons of mass destruction...
>
> If the world gives in to China now, like it did to Germany and Japan in the 30s,
> the above scenarios won't only be be Vietnam's problem, and it won't only
> be ASEAN's problem either.
>
> Huy
>
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Topic No. 13
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 17:06:40 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Tin Viet Nam (21.3)
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970321170559.5619B-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
I think VN is acting in a clever way.
Cheers
Aiviet
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Topic No. 14
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:17:40 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321215001.2564J-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi all,
Ma^'y ho^m nay ba^.n du`i ma`i kinh su+?, ra ddi`nh tha^'y ca'c bo^ ho.p
ho^.i nghi. Die^n Ho^`ng ha(ng qu'a, tui cu~ng pha?i mo` vo^ ba`n chuye^.n
nuo+'c vi` nghe no'i "Quo^'c gia hu+ng vong, tha^'t phu hu+~u tra'ch".
- A French geographer named Yves Lacoste dda~ tu+`ng dde^` nghi. tu+` la^u
go.i South China Sea la` South East Asia Sea. Cha(?ng ma^'y ai nghe ca?.
Ngay nhu+ ng` VN mi`nh ghe't Ta`u la` the^' ma` va^~n co`n bao ng` go.i
no' "bie^?n Nam Ha?i" thay vi` "bie^?n Ddo^ng".
- Truo+'c khi ba`n chuye^.n hoa` hay chie^'n co' le~ cu~ng ne^n pha^n
ti'ch strategy cu?a TQ va` national interest cu?a mo.i ng` xem sao.
Co' 1 cu. Ta`u trong Chie^'n quo^'c sa'ch pha^n bie^.t 2 loa.i chie^'n
tranh. 1 loa.i dde^? cuo+'p dda^'t, 1 loa.i dde^? thu phu.c la`m chu+
ha^`u. TQ dde^? y' dde^'n HS-TS truo+'c he^'t vi` nghe no'i duo+'i ddo'
co' dde^'n 1 ty? ta^'n da^`u va` khi'. Lo+.i i'ch trung ha.n cu?a TQ la`
co' the^m nguo^`n energy ma` cha.y ca'i ne^`n kinh te^' ddang ta(ng
truo+?ng no'ng dde^'n 2 chu+~ so^' mo^~i na(m. Lo+.i i'ch da`i ha.n la`
kie^?m soa't vu`ng bie^?n Ddo^ng. Khi na`o TQ tha`nh 1
superpower, ddu? su+'c ca.nh tranh vo+'i My~ o+? mu+'c toa`n ca^`u thi`
lu'c a^'y ba'c Ta`u mo+'i dda(.t vie^.c kie^'m chu+ ha^`u la`m mu.c tie^u.
Va^.y ne^n tranh cha^'p vo+'i VN, ba'c TQ dda(.t strategy la` la^'n
bie^?n. Tactic cu?a ba'c a^'y la` ga(.m nha^'m, la^u la^u la.i ddo+'p 1
ho`n dda?o, dda`o 1 gie^'ng khoan. Ga(.m nha^'m va` dda'nh ti?a, ti?a VN
truo+'c ru`i ti?a da^`n ca'c chu' kha'c sau. Ca'c ba'c tru`m nuo+'c ta`u
ddo.c su+? Ta`u thuo^.c la`u, ca'c ba'c a^'y quen tu+ duy theo ha`ng the^'
ky?, khinh ba'c My~ mo+'i co' 200 na(m la^.p quo^'c, cha(?ng ba(`ng 1
ti'ch ta('c trong li.ch su+? nuo+'c Ta`u. Ca'c ba'c TQ co' ke^' hoa.ch se~
ga(.m da^`n toa`n bo^. qd TS trong vo`ng 100 na(m (HS thi` ca'c ba'c a^'y
dda~ a(n tuo+i nuo^'t so^'ng ru`i).
Nghe no'i cu. Palmerston, British PM under Queen Victoria said: "There are
no permanent allies, there are only permanent interests", va^.y ta k0 ne^n
ti'nh chuye^.n ve va~n ca'c ba'c China, US et al. ba(`ng ca'i na`y ca'i
no., ta pha?i nuo+ng va`o vital interests cu?a ca'c ba'c a^'y ma`
du`ng strategy cu?a ng` la`m tactic cu?a mi`nh.
Ve^` la^u ve^` da`i, ro~ ra`ng TU+. ta pha?i ma.nh thi` mo+'i cu+. dduo+.c
TQ, va` muo^'n ma.nh le^n thi` chi? co' nghe lo+`i ba'c Tuan Pham: Work
hard AND smart. Hie^.n ta co`n thie^'u khoa?n work smart, theo tui tro+?
nga.i lo+'n nha^'t la`m ta k0 smart dduo+.c la` ca'i inferiority complex.
Ta ra^'t thie^'u tu+. tin, dda^y la` ti'nh ca'ch ra^'t bao tru`m cu?a ng`
VN mi`nh ba'c Hoa`ng a. Ta cu+' oang oang ddo`i "giu+~ gi`n ba?n sa('c",
k0 bie^'t ra(`ng ca'i ba?n sa('c hay ho nha^'t cu?a da^n to^.c la` bie^'t
vuo+.t qua chi'nh mi`nh. Va^.y ca'ch to^'t nha^'t dde^? "giu+~ gi`n ba?n
sa('c" la` pha?i vuo+.t qua chi'nh mi`nh. Hi`nh nhu+ cu. La~o tu+? co'
no'i: "Bie^'t dduo+.c mi`nh mo+'i la` Anh, tha('ng dduo+.c mi`nh mo+'i la`
Hu`ng." Duo+`ng nhu+ ta mo+'i sa('p la` anh hu`ng tho^i, chu+' chu+a la`
anh hu`ng dda^u.
Dde^? cu+. dduo+.c vo+'i TQ, tu+. ta ma.nh chu+a ddu?, ma.nh ma^'y thi`
cu~ng k0 a(n thua so vo+'i ho+n 1 ty? da^n Ta`u. Ta co`n pha?i co' "ha^.u
phuo+ng lo+'n" nu+~a. To^'t nha^'t la` bie^'n ca? the^' gio+'i la`m ha^.u
phuo+ng lo+'n cho ta. Tuy nhie1n la`m gi` cu~ng pha?i co' tro.ng ddie^?m,
va^.y ta pha?i nha('m 3 anh My~, Nha^.t va` ASEAN la`m ha^.u phuo+ng lo+'n
cho mi`nh. Ba'c Phu lang sa thi` tuy ti`nh ca?m co' dda^'y nhu+ng ba'c
a^'y ye^'u, la.i o+? xa. Ba'c ASEAN thi` la` ve^` la^u ve^` da`i tho^i,
ba'c na`y tuy o+? ga^`n nhu+ng vu+`a ye^'u vu+`a chia re~. Truo+'c ma('t
chi? co' ba'c My~ va` ba'c Nha^.t.
Nga`y xu+a, ba'c My~ bo? ro+i ba'c Saigon ma(.c du` cu`ng "ideology", nay
ba'c My~ ye^?m tro+. ba'c Taiwan cu~ng dda^u pha?i dde^? ba?o ve^. "ne^`n
da^n chu? non tre?". Cha(?ng qua chi? vi` ba'c My~ la` 1 maritime power,
vital interest cu?a ba'c a^'y la` pha?i giu+~ dduo+.c va`nh ddai chie^'n
luo+.c Ta^y Tha'i bi`nh duo+ng cha.y tu+` Japan, SKorea, Taiwan, the
Philippines, Australia. South VN na(`m tre^n lu.c ddi.a, ngoa`i va`nh ddai
chie^'n luo+.c ddo' ne^n "ma^'t cu~ng k0 sao". Bie^?n Ddo^ng ddo^'i vo+'i
ba'c Nha^.t la` ca'i ye^'t ha^`u ru`i, ne^n ba'c a^'y quye^'t k0 dde^?
lo.t va`o tay ba'c TQ. Nay ta pha?i la`m sao dde^? ba'c My~ cu~ng nhi`n
nha^.n nhu+ ba'c Nha^.t. So*? di~ ba'c Ta`u cho.n ta la`m ddo^.t pha'
kha^?u vi` ta la` "ma('t xi'ch ye^'u nha^'t". Ne^'u muo^'n ca'c ba'c My~,
Nha^.t,etc nha^.n la`m ha^.u phuo+ng lo+'n cho ta trong truo+`ng ho+.p
khu?ng hoa?ng bie^?n Ddo^ng thi` ta cu~ng pha?i nhuo+.ng bo^. ca'c ba'c
a^'y ddo^i ddie^`u. Ca'i na`y thuo^.c ve^` nghe^. thua^.t chi'nh tri. va`
ngoa.i giao ru`i. Chi? xin no'i la` ta pha?i cu+ xu+? ra sao dde^? ca'c
ba'c a^'y kho?i khinh ta (la` ngu, la` he`n, la` kie^u, la` v.v.), co'
nhu+ the^' thi` ca'c ba'c a^'y mo+'i to^n tro.ng ta ma` ta cu~ng to^n
tro.ng la.i ca'c ba'c a^'y dduo+.c.
Ve^` truo+'c ma('t, thi` ta pha?i he^'t su+'c kie^`m che^', k0 dduo+.c
manh ddo^.ng. Ba'c TQ chi? mong ta no^? 1 pha't su'ng dde^? ba'c a^'y
la^'y co+' a la xo^. Na(m 88, ta ma^'t vo+'i ba'c TQ 7 dda?o, li'nh ta
chi? dda'nh tay k0, k0 ba('n 1 pha't su'ng. Ddu'ng nhu+ ba'c Ca no'i, ha?i
qua^n ta ke'm ho+n TQ nhie^`u, ta ma` manh ddo^.ng ba^y gio+` thi` thay
vi` ma^'t 1 se~ bi. ma^'t 10. Ta co' le~ chi? ddo. dduo+.c vo+'i TQ ve^`
khoa?n ta`u bay. Nghe dda^u sa('p mua SU cu?a Nga. Sang na(m ta se~ co'
ve^. tinh rie^ng, k0 bie^'t ca'i na`y co' da`nh 1 pha^`n cho quo^'c pho`ng
k0, nhu+ng nha^'t thie^'t ta pha?i co' ve^. tinh do tha'm, ta`u nga^`m va`
ma'y bay sa(n ta`u nga^`m. Bom nguye^n tu+? thi` k0 ca^`n ma` cu~ng k0
the^? vi` ta cu`ng ca'c nuo+'c ASEAN dda~ ky' hie^.p uo+'c bie^'n DNA
tha`nh non nuclear weapon zone. Ta`u sa^n bay ta cu~ng k0 ca^`n vi` bo+`
bie^?n ta dda~ la` ta`u sa^n bay k0 the^? dda'nh chi`m ru`i.
Ddie^?m lai. qu'a tri`nh da'nh nhau, tre^n bo^. thi` ta cu~ng k0 dde^'n
no^~i na`o, nhu+ng tre^n bie^?n thi` cha(?ng ra sao. Na(m 74 ma^'t Hoa`ng
sa vo+'i TQ, na(m 88 ma^'t 7 dda?o o+? Truo+`ng sa, na(m 92 ma^'t the^m 4
dda?o nu+~a. Ma` ba'c Ta`u thi` cho+i tro` u' tim, kie^'n tha la^u dda^`y
to^?, vu+`a na(m ngoa'i ky' hie^.p ddi.nh vo+'i ta la` "2 be^n cam ke^'t
giu+~ nguye^n tra.ng, kho^ng ga^y phu+'c ta.p the^m ti`nh hi`nh", ma` ba'c
a^'y cu+' la`m to+'i, ta la thi` ba'c a^'y ba?o ba'c a^'y la`m trong nha`
cu?a ba'c a^'y, cha? lie^n quan gi` dde^'n ta. Va^.y ne^'u ta ma` cu+'
to^n tro.ng ma^'y ca'i gia^'y lo^.n ky' vo+'i ba'c a^'y la` ta bi. ba'c
a^'y lu+`a cho tho^'i mu~i. Dda~ dda`nh pha?i kie^`m che^', nhu+ng dde^'n
dda^u la` gio+'i ha.n. Ca'c ba'c fuzzy logic thu+? gia?i cho anh em ba`i
toa'n na`y coi. Chu+' cu+' kie^`m che^' ma~i thi` co' lu'c se~ ma^'t tro.n
Truo+`ng sa va`o tay TQ. Co' le~ dda~ dde^'n lu'c ta k0 the^? chi? la
la`ng nu+~a, ma` cu~ng pha?i na('n ga^n ba'c TQ xem sao. Ddu'ng nhu+ ba'c
Hu+ng no'i, the^' gio+'i so+. vi'a TQ ho+n la` am hie^?u thu+.c lu+.c cu?a
ba'c a^'y. Cu+' theo li.ch su+? da.y thi` ta pha?i la` ke? hie^?u ba'c
Ta`u ho+n ai he^'t tre^n hoa`n ca^`u. Va^.y ta cu~ng ne^n qua^'y ro^'i
ba'c a^'y 1 chu't, nho+' la` chi? du`ng karate tho^i, ddu+`ng cha.y sang
mo^n ba('n su'ng. Na(m ngoa'i vu. Taiwan, tui phu.c ba'c Clinton la('m,
ba'c a^'y la`m chi'nh tri. ra^'t ta`i, ddu+`ng khinh ba'c a^'y la` tre?
con nghe ba'c Kissinger xo+ cu+'ng ddo^.ng ma.ch.
Tho^i hi`nh nhu+ tui dda~ bo'p na't qua? cam Tra^`n Quo^'c Toa?n ru`i.
Ve^` nha` "tri' thu+'c tru`m cha(n" dda^y.
Cheers,
La^m.
PS: Ba'c Hoa`ng quan sa't vu. na`y co' the^? ru't ra kho^'i ti'nh ca'ch VN
ddo'.
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Topic No. 15
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:43:21 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: What happens if China invades?
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970321232352.2564K-100000@tolouse.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Aiviet Nguyen wrote:
> One question I would like to ask about the sovereinity of VN over
> those islands. How is the ownership of VN legal and clear?
>
> I talked to few mainland Chines "friends"(?? or enemies). They are quite
> confident that those islands belonged to China.
>
> I am sorry about my ignorance. But I never read anything about this.
Hi ba'c Vie^.t and all fellow country(wo)men,
After researching all Vietnamese and Chinese govt documents on the topic
Hoang sa - Truong sa, a top VN scholar pointed out that the VNese
arguments carry more conviction than the Chinese ones.
TQ co' nhu+~ng ly' le~ nu+.c cuo+`i dde^'n mu+'c ba?o ra(`ng nha` Ha'n
nha` Dduo+`ng dda~ tu+`ng tha^u go^`m 2 qd HS-TS, trong khi va`o tho+`i
ddo', ma^'y mo?m san ho^ na`Y chu+a he^` no^?i le^n kho?i ma(.t nuo+'c
nhu+ hie^.n nay. Thu+.c te^' la` Champa dda~ tu+`ng kiie^?m soa't toa`n
bo^. vu`ng bie^?n Ddo^ng, trong ddo' co' 2 qd, thuo+ng nha^n Arabs tho+`i
ddo' buo^n ba'n vo+'i TQ go.i ca'i today South China Sea la` bie^?n
Champa. Ca'c chu'a Ngyue^~n ke^' thu+`a truye^`n tho^'ng na`y cu?a ca'c
vua Champa. lie1n tu.c kie^?m soa't 2 qd. Ca^`n lu+u y' la` kha'i nie^.m
bie^n gio+'i ma` nay ta va^~n du`ng la` 1 kha'i nie^.m phuo+ng Ta^y, mo+'i
tho^ng du.ng o+? cha^u A' tu+` ho+n 100 na(m nay. Nga`y xu+a, tre^n dda^'t
lie^`n, chi? co' bie^n gio+'i Ta-Ta`u la` pha^n ddi.nh dda`ng hoa`ng, sau
na`Y la` bie^n gio+'i Ta-Mie^n. Co`n bie^n gio+'i Ta-La`o pha^n ddi.nh
nhu+ sau: cho^~ na`o nha` ne^`n la` cu?a ta, nha` sa`n la` cu?A La`o.
Tre^n bie^?n thi` thu+.c te^' la` ca'c chu'a Nguye^~n dda~ to^? chu+'c
tua^`n duye^n, thu thue^' o+? 2 qd HS-TS, coi do' nhu+ da^'t ddai cu?a
mi`nh ma` cha? co' ai pha?n ddo^'i. Pha'p ba?o ho^. ta cu~ng dda~ kie^?m
soa't va` chie^'m giu+~ ca? 2 qd tre^n thu+.c te^', tuy nhie^n ho^`i ddo'
nuo+'c me. cu?a ta cu~ng ddi.nh ddo^?i HS cho Ta`u dde^? la^'y va`i
nhuo+.ng ddi.a trong da^'t lie^`n TQ.
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