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VNSA-L digest 295
VNSA-L Digest 295
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) What happens if China invades?
by Peter_Donahoe@notes.rbs.org
2) What can we do if China invades VN ?
by Yurong@oes.itri.org.tw
3) [Fwd] [Discussion] Employment in Viet Nam with oversea qualifications.
by thanh@lombok.cs.uwm.edu
4) [Fwd] [Discussion] Employment in Viet Nam with oversea qualifications.
by "Thanh C. Nguyen" <ncthanh@csd.uwm.edu>
5) Re: FOUND!!!: chu+~ Vie^.t NT
by "Hung M. La" <hung_la@ibm.net>
6) Re: [Quotations] Communism
by "Hung M. La" <hung_la@ibm.net>
7) RE: China and Vietnam
by Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
8) [tho*] The Flood (R. Frost)
by ianbui@ix.netcom.com (nghia bui)
9) Re: Ca^u -do^'i
by Truong Trong Hoang <g3937464@mahidol.ac.th>
10) -Do^i lo+\i va\ Tho+
by Truong Trong Hoang <g3937464@mahidol.ac.th>
11) Ti'nh ca'ch.... (1)
by Truong Trong Hoang <g3937464@mahidol.ac.th>
12) Re: Take something back to Vietnam
by Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
13) Re: [Quotations] Communism
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
14) Ve^` Ha?i Pho`ng, tha`nh pho^' Hoa Phuong Do
by xuanlong(9525051) <xuanlong@postech.ac.kr>
15) RE: China and Vietnam
by Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
16) Re: Ve^` Ha?i Pho`ng, tha`nh pho^' Hoa Phuong Do
by Vu Nam <musen212@geisya.or.jp>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 18:37:49 -0400
From: Peter_Donahoe@notes.rbs.org
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: What happens if China invades?
Message-ID: <85256461.008184F9.00@notes.rbs.org>
From: Peter Donahoe@RBS on 03/21/97 06:37 PM
Would it be too provocative to wonder what a top scholar from China would, after
analyzing the documents, say about the Chinese claims to the disputed
islands?
------------------
After researching all Vietnamese and Chinese govt documents on the topic
Hoang sa - Truong sa, a top VN scholar pointed out that the VNese
arguments carry more conviction than the Chinese ones.
TQ co' nhu+~ng ly' le~ nu+.c cuo+`i dde^^'n mu+'c ba?o ra(`ng nha` Ha'n
nha` Dduo+`ng dda~ tu+`ng tha^^u go^^`m 2 qd HS-TS, trong khi va`o tho+`i
ddo', ma^^'y mo?m san ho^^ na`Y chu+a he^^` no^^?i le^^n kho?i ma(.t nuo+'c
nhu+ hie^^.n nay. Thu+.c te^^' la` Champa dda~ tu+`ng kiie^^?m soa't toa`n bo^^.
vu`ng bie^^?n Ddo^^ng, trong ddo' co' 2 qd, thuo+ng nha^^n Arabs tho+`i
ddo' buo^^n ba'n vo+'i TQ go.i ca'i today South China Sea la` bie^^?n
Champa. Ca'c chu'a Ngyue^^~n ke^^' thu+`a truye^^`n tho^^'ng na`y cu?a ca'c
vua Champa. lie1n tu.c kie^^?m soa't 2 qd. Ca^^`n lu+u y' la` kha'i nie^^.m bie^^n
gio+'i ma` nay ta va^^~n du`ng la` 1 kha'i nie^^.m phuo+ng Ta^^y, mo+'i tho^^ng
du.ng o+? cha^^u A' tu+` ho+n 100 na(m nay. Nga`y xu+a, tre^^n dda^^'t lie^^`n, chi?
co' bie^^n gio+'i Ta-Ta`u la` pha^^n ddi.nh dda`ng hoa`ng, sau
na`Y la` bie^^n gio+'i Ta-Mie^^n. Co`n bie^^n gio+'i Ta-La`o pha^^n ddi.nh
nhu+ sau: cho^^~ na`o nha` ne^^`n la` cu?a ta, nha` sa`n la` cu?A La`o.
Tre^^n bie^^?n thi` thu+.c te^^' la` ca'c chu'a Nguye^^~n dda~ to^^? chu+'c tua^^`n
duye^^n, thu thue^^' o+? 2 qd HS-TS, coi do' nhu+ da^^'t ddai cu?a mi`nh ma` cha?
co' ai pha?n ddo^^'i. Pha'p ba?o ho^^. ta cu~ng dda~ kie^^?m
soa't va` chie^^'m giu+~ ca? 2 qd tre^^n thu+.c te^^', tuy nhie^^n ho^^`i ddo'
nuo+'c me. cu?a ta cu~ng ddi.nh ddo^^?i HS cho Ta`u dde^^? la^^'y va`i nhuo+.ng
ddi.a trong da^^'t lie^^`n TQ.
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Topic No. 2
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 09:16:50 +0800
From: Yurong@oes.itri.org.tw
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: What can we do if China invades VN ?
Message-ID: <48256462:0006CC74.00@oesns4.oes.itri.org.tw>
Cha`o ca'c bo^^
What could we (Vietkieu) do if China invades VN ?
Regards
Vinh
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Topic No. 3
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:20:09
From: thanh@lombok.cs.uwm.edu
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Cc: ncthanh@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: [Fwd] [Discussion] Employment in Viet Nam with oversea qualifications.
Message-ID: <199703220326.VAA17560@batch1.csd.uwm.edu>
Somehow this message did not get throught. I'm sending it up here for you.
-Thanh.
==============
From: " AN HUYNH" <dahuynh@hotmail.com>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Discussion: Employment in Viet Nam with oversea qualifications.
Hi Everyone!
What jobs are you going to do when going back to Viet Nam????!!! Will they be
what you have been studying? How about the incomes? and many other aspects,..I
trust that most of us, of course wonder ourself on the fate.
So why don't we come up on VNSA to discuss on what you knew, your anlysis of
Vietnamese employment focus, what you perceive and think, any coming
opportunity.
I hope, by joining this discussion, all of us will enhance our understanding on
the employment in Vietnam, and somehow predict the future of ours.
Thank you.
Du An Huynh
University of Western Sydney, andy@financier.com
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Topic No. 4
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:39:02 -0600 (CST)
From: "Thanh C. Nguyen" <ncthanh@csd.uwm.edu>
To: vnsa-l@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
Subject: [Fwd] [Discussion] Employment in Viet Nam with oversea qualifications.
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.91.970321213734.5719A-100000@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu>
Somehow this message did not get through. I'm forwarding it up here for
the author.
-Thanh.
==============
From: " AN HUYNH" <dahuynh@hotmail.com>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Discussion: Employment in Viet Nam with oversea qualifications.
Hi Everyone!
What jobs are you going to do when going back to Viet Nam????!!! Will they be
what you have been studying? How about the incomes? and many other aspects,..I
trust that most of us, of course wonder ourself on the fate.
So why don't we come up on VNSA to discuss on what you knew, your anlysis of
Vietnamese employment focus, what you perceive and think, any coming
opportunity.
I hope, by joining this discussion, all of us will enhance our understanding on
the employment in Vietnam, and somehow predict the future of ours.
Thank you.
Du An Huynh
University of Western Sydney, andy@financier.com
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Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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Topic No. 5
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:52:08 +0000
From: "Hung M. La" <hung_la@ibm.net>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: FOUND!!!: chu+~ Vie^.t NT
Message-ID: <199703220352.DAA110399@out1.ibm.net>
> Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 02:26:26 -0600 (CST)
> Reply-to: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> From: "Toan" <toan@usa.net>
> To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
> Subject: FOUND!!!: chu+~ Vie^.t NT
.......Stuff deleted......
> Tui kho^ng co' NT o+? nha` ne^n kho^ng thu+? ddu+o+.c, nhu+ng theo tui
> ddoa'n/hie^?u ca'i ca'ch kia la` dde^? khi na.p ca'i VPSkey ddo+.t 3 cho=
95
> va`o NT chi? la` dde^? no' na.p/bo^' tri' font va`o registry na`y no.
> gio^'ng nhu+ trong Win95. Ro^`i thi` du`ng ca'i EXE mo+'i va` DLL mo+'i
> dde^? cha.y.
>
> Chu'c tha`nh co^ng,
Hi anh Toa`n!
Thank you for the pointer. I did install VPS fonts from an existing
directory on my hard file. Invoking VPSkeys32.exe and Wordpad I can
use VPS fonts for writing Vietnamese.
In short it works. There was a little nag in NT 4.0 (+SP2). Its
fonts installation process copies all selected fonts to the fonts
folder even with the _copy fonts to the font folder_ unchecked.
Cheers,
H=F9ng
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Topic No. 6
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 23:07:44 +0000
From: "Hung M. La" <hung_la@ibm.net>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: [Quotations] Communism
Message-ID: <199703220408.EAA158947@out2.ibm.net>
Here are some quotations for this weekend.
TGIF
Hung
____________________________________________________________
What is a Communist? One who hath yearnings
For equal division of unequal earnings.
Idler or bungler, or both, he is willing
To fork out his copper and pocket a shilling.
--Ebenezer Elliott
Communism has nothing to do with love. Communism is an excellent hammer which we use to destroy our enemy.
--Mao Tse-Tung
A communist is like a crocodile: when it opens its mouth you cannot tell whether it is trying to smile or preparing to eat you
up.
--Winston Churchill
I never agree with Communists or any other kind of kept men.
--H. L. Mencken
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
--Karl Marx
I do not believe in communism any more than you do but there is nothing wrong with the Communists in this country; several
of the ;best friends I have got are Communists.
--Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Communism means barbarism.
--James Russell Lowell
Communism possesses a language which every people can understand--its elements are hunger, envy, and death.
--Heinrich Heine
They say that the Soviet delegates smile. That smile is genuine. It is not artificial. We wish to live in peace, tranquility. But if
anyone believes that our smiles involve abandonment of the teaching of Marx, Engels and Lenin he deceives himself poorly.
Those who wait for that must wait until a shrimp learns to whistle.
--Nikita Khrushchev
Communism is a society where each one works according to his abilities and gets according to his needs.
--Pierre Joseph Proudhon
Communism is the death of the soul. It is the organization of total conformity--in short, of tyranny--and it is committed to
making tyranny universal.
--AdlaiE. Stevenson
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Topic No. 7
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:11:50 -0800
From: Tuan Pham <tuan.pham@unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: RE: China and Vietnam
Message-ID: <33346736.497D@unsw.edu.au>
Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de> wrote
>Co' ngu+o+`i nha('c ve^` ho^.i nghi. Die^n Ho^`ng, song que^n ma^'t ho^.i
>nghi. Bi`nh Than va` co' le~ ngu+o+`i ta cu~ng kho^ng ro~ ho^.i nghi.
>na`o mang ti'nh quye^'t ddi.nh\. O+? ho^.i nghi. Bi`nh Than, Tra^`n Quo^'c
>Toa?n chi? ddu+o+.c thu+o+?ng cho qua? cam tho^i\. DDie^`u na`y co' le~ ca^`n
>pha?i bie^'t\.
>
Hello
Ca'i na`y to^i xin ke^? the^m cho ca'c overseas members cu?a
vnsa bie^'t, chu+' ca'c VN members thi` cha('c bie^'t ro~ la('m.
TQToa?n lu'c ddo' mo+'i 16 tuo^?i, kho^ng ddu+o+.c ba`n chuye^.n
qua^n su+. vo+'i ng` lo+'n, ne^n bu+.c mi`nh bo'p na't qua? cam va`
bo? ve^` la^.p mo^.t dda.o qua^n ddi dda'nh gia(.c thay vi` tro+?
ra dda'nh dda'o vo+'i ca'c ba.n. Sa'ch vo+? trong Nam ba^.y qua',
ho. la.i co`n khen ngo+.i tha'i ddo^. "kho^ng bie^'t tha^n pha^.n
tre? con" cu?a ca^.u ta mo+'i che^'t chu+'!
>Trong 1 gia ddi`nh, con ca'i pha?i co' tra'ch nhie^.m vo+'i cha me.\.
>Chu+a tha^'y ai la.i dda(.t ddie^`u kie^.n tie^n quye^'t vo+'i
>cha me., ba('t cha me. pha?i nghe mi`nh, pha?i thay ddo^?i
>mo+'i chi.u bo^?n pha^.n la`m con\. Tu+` gia ddi`nh co' the^?
>suy ro^.ng ra Quo^'c gia\. Tu+` u+'ng xu+? trong pha.m vi
>Quo^'c gia co' the^? tha^'y hi`nh a?nh u+'ng xu+? trong gia ddi`nh\.
>
Ba'c Tie^'n co' the^? cho anh em bie^'t trong mo^.t quo^'c
gia thi` ai la` cha me. va` ai la` con kho^ng?
vi` chu'ng to^i kho^ng ddu+o+.c ho.c ca'i ddo'. Chi? nho+'
mang ma'ng nhu+~ng ca^u "da^n chi phu. ma^~u" tu+` tho+`i
phong kie^'n, nhu+ng sau 1945 thi` hi`nh nhu+ kho^ng nghe
nu+~a! To^i bi. nho^`i so. nhu+~ng ca'i nhu+ la`
"co^ng chu+'c la` co^ng bo^.c cu?a da^n",
(tu.i Me~o co`n co' nhu+~ng ca^u ra^'t "ho^~n la'o" nhu+
"never trust your politicians", cha('c ta.i politicians
cu?a ho. ke'm cu?a mi`nh) va` to^i cu~ng dda~ nghe
ca^u "da^n la`m chu?", nhu+ng chu+a bao gio+` nghe no'i
"da^n la`m con" ca?! (A`, tho+`i phong kie^'n co' chu+~
"con da^n", nhu+ng la^u la('m ro^`i kho^ng tha^'y du`ng).
A` cu~ng co`n nho+' ca'i chuye^.n "Dda?ng la` cha, Chi'nh phu?
la` me." ai ke^? tre^n vnsa bu+~a no. ddo', nhu+ng to^i cu+'
tu+o+?ng ddo' la` ca'i joke chu+'!
>To^i no'i the^m: chie^'n tranh kho^ng pha?i la` vie^.c ba`n ba.c
>cu?a tre? con, cu?a nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i kho^ng co' kha? na(ng va`
>ddie^`u kie^.n dda'nh gia' ti`nh hi`nh, thu+.c lu+.c, ba?n cha^'t ...
>cu?a ca'c be^n co' the^? se~ tham gia\.
>...
>"Ngu+o+`i nho? la`m vie^.c nho?; Tu`y theo su+'c cu?a mi`nh".
>Va` to^'t ho+n ca? ha~y la`m nhu+~ng gi` o+? tru+o+'c ma(.t
>mi`nh, ho+n la` ba`n nhu+~ng thu+' vie^?n vo^ng vo^ ti'ch
>su+.\.
>
Va^.y thi` ba'c Tie^'n co' nghe ca^u "quo^'c gia hu+ng vong,
tha^'t phu hu+~u tra'ch" kho^ng nhi? ? Ca^u ddo' co' tu+` tho+`i
phong kie^'n cu+a ddo', kho^ng bie^'t dda~ lo^~i tho+`i chu+a.
Hay chi? co' tha^'t phu la` ddu+o+.c ba`n chuye^.n quo^'c gia
hu+ng vong, co`n tri' thu+'c thi` kho^ng? :)
Cheers
Tuan Pham
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Topic No. 8
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:19:26 -0600 (CST)
From: ianbui@ix.netcom.com (nghia bui)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: [tho*] The Flood (R. Frost)
Message-ID: <199703220419.WAA05114@dfw-ix6.ix.netcom.com>
The Flood
Blood has been harder to dam back than water.
Just when we think we have it impounded safe
Behind new barrier walls (and let it chafe!)
It breaks away in some new kind of slaugher.
We choose to say it is let loose by the devil;
But power of blood itself releases blood.
It goes by might of being such a flood
Held high at so unnatural a level.
It will have outlet, brave and not so brave.
Weapons of war and implements of peace
Are but the points at which it finds release.
And now it is once more the tidal wave
That when it has swept by leaves summits stained.
Oh, blood will out. It cannot be contained.
-- Robert Frost
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Topic No. 9
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:33:52 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Truong Trong Hoang <g3937464@mahidol.ac.th>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ca^u -do^'i
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970322113003.8035A-100000@saturn.mahidol.ac.th>
Xin lo^~i mo.i ngu+o+`i, kho^ng bie^'t sao hai la^`n tru+o+'c tui go+?i
-di bi. ho^`i ve^` va` tho^ng ba'o chu+a subscribe. Mo+'i vu+`a subscribe
la.i va` ba^y gio+` thu+? go+?i. Hoa`ng
> > Ba'c Vu~ va` ta^'t ca? ca'c ba'c ki'nh me^'n,
> >
> > Tui co' nghe ca^u chuye^.n ve^` ca^u -do^'i na`y. Ca^u ba'c ne^u trong
> > truye^.n tui nghe la.i la` ca^u sau. Ban -da^`u tha^`y sinh va^.t ra ca^u
> > -do^'i cho ho.c sinh:
> >
> > Con bo` ca.p ca.p con bo` ca.p, ca.p ro^`i bo`, bo` ro^`i ca.p.
> >
> > Kho^ng ho.c sinh na`o -do^'i no^?i, cuo^'i cu`ng tha^`y gia'm thi. -di
> > ngang mo+'i u+'ng kha^?u -do^'i :
> >
> > Tha^`y sinh va^.t va^.t co^ sinh va^.t, va^.t ro^`i sinh, sinh ro^`i va^.t
> > (nhu+ ba.n -da~ ne^u).
> >
> > Tru+o+ng Tro.ng Hoa`ng
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Minh Vu Huynh wrote:
> >
> > > Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
> > >
> > > tu+` ho^`i ho.c pho^? tho^ng to^i bi. tha'ch ddo^'i ca^u sau:
> > >
> > > Tha^`y sinh va^.t va^.t co^ sinh va^.t
> > > Va^.t dde^? sinh, sinh dde^? va^.t
> > >
> > > dde^'n gio+` to^i chu+a ti`m ddu+o+.c ca^u ddo^'i la.i cho ho+.p .
> > >
> > > Hy vo.ng co' ba'c na`o giu'p ddu+o+.c cha(ng ?
> > >
> > > Tha^n,
> > > Vu~
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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Topic No. 10
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:00:44 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Truong Trong Hoang <g3937464@mahidol.ac.th>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: -Do^i lo+\i va\ Tho+
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970322115853.31615A-100000@mucc.mahidol.ac.th>
Ki'nh cha`o ta^'t ca? ca'c ba'c,
Co' le? tui pha?i le^n tie^'ng xin lo^~i khi ca'c ba'c tha^'y tui kho^ng co'
tham gia tha?o lua^.n ca'c thread kha'c. Tha^.t ti`nh tui kho^ng pha?i la`m
cao hay la`m pha'ch gi`, nga(.t chi? vi` tho+`i gian eo he.p qua'. Vi` the^'
cho ne^n tui xin phe'p -du+o+.c thu go.n hoa.t -do^.ng cu?a mi`nh va`o hai
chuye^.n: thu+' nha^'t tui se~ co^' nuo^i ca'i thread "Ti'nh ca'ch..." tui
-da~ du+.ng va` thay -do^?i -de^` ta`i cho no' the^m phong phu'; thu+' hai tui
se~ post la^`n lu+o+.t ca'c ba`i tho+ con co'c cu?a tui le^n list -de^? ca'c
ba'c -do.c cho+i. Khi chuye^.n ho.c gia~n bo+'t tui se~ tham gia ca'c thread
ma.nh me~ ho+n.
Ki'nh ca'o,
Tru+o+ng Tro.ng Hoa`ng
-----
LIFE
Life being like a river
Flows and flows forever.
We meet then leave each other,
Yet memory's flushed never !
CUO^.C -DO+`I
Cuo^.c -do+`i nhu+ mo^.t do`ng so^ng
Tro^i -di -di ma~i co' ngu+`ng -du+o+.c -da^u .
Ga(.p nhau -da^'y xa nhau -da^y
Chu't lo`ng thu+o+ng nho+' bie^'t ra`y na`o nguo^i!
03/10/96
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Topic No. 11
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:12:11 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Truong Trong Hoang <g3937464@mahidol.ac.th>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ti'nh ca'ch.... (1)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970322120315.4551A-100000@mucc.mahidol.ac.th>
Ca'c ba'c tha^n me^'n,
Ve^` thread Ti'nh ca'ch na`y tu+` nay tui se~ tho^'ng nha^'t ghi Subject
la`: Ti'nh ca'ch.... (so^' thu+' tu+ n)
No^.i dung kho^ng ba`n chuye^.n ly' lua^.n kho^ queo nu+~a ma` se~ co^'
ga('ng la`m no' phong phu' sinh -do^.ng ho+n. Ra^'t ca'm o+n ca'c ba'c
theo do~i va` u?ng ho^. . :)
- Da^`u tie^n xin phe'p -du+o+.c tri'ch -da(ng mo^.t ba`i vie^'t ve^`
tho^n nu+~ VN cu?a ta'c gia? Ba`ng Ba' La^n. Hy vo.ng ca'c ba'c enjoy no'.
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Tho^n nu+~ Vie^.t Nam trong Ca dao .
Co' the^? no'i kho^ng ngoa ra(`ng muo^'n bie^'t ro~ phong tu.c,ta^.p
qua'n, ne^'p so^'ng, ti'nh ti`nh cu?a nha^n da^n VN, ta chi? vie^.c ti`m trong
ca dao, tu.c ngu+~ .
Vi` va^'n -de^` na`y bao qua't, ro^.ng lo+'n qua', ne^n chu'ng to^i xin
chi? -de^` ca^.p mo^.t khi'a ca.nh cu?a va^'n -de^` . -Do' la` phu. nu+~ hay
-du'ng ho+n Tho^n nu+~ Vie^.t Nam trong ca dao .
Ngay tu+` lu'c co`n a(~m ngu+?a cho -de^'n khi bie^'t la^~y bie^'t bo`, em
ga'i que^ VN lo+'n le^n da^`n da^`n trong nhi.p vo~ng, trong tie^'ng ha't cu?a
ba` ru cha'u, me. ru con, chi. ru em:
"Ca'i ngu? ma`y ngu? cho la^u,
Me. ma`y -di ca^'y -do^`ng sa^u chu+a ve^` .
Ba('t -du+o+.c con ca' ro^, tre^,
Tro`ng co^? lo^i ve^` cho ca'i ngu? a(n . . ."
Ma^'y va^`n ca dao mo^.c ma.c, bi`nh di. -da~ tha^'m va`o tie^`m thu+'c
-du+'a tre? ne^n sau na`y lo+'n le^n tha`nh chi., tha`nh me. ro^`i tha`nh ba`,
no' -da~ ha't -di ha't la.i kho^ng bie^'t la` la^`n thu+' bao nhie^u -de^? ru
em, ru con ro^`i ru cha'u theo nhi.p vo~ng -du+a ke~o ke.t -de^`u -de^`u . . .
Tha^'m thoa't con be' -de^? to'c tra'i -da`o cun cu't nga`y na`o nay -da~
giu'p -do+~ -du+o+.c me. trong nhu+~ng vie^.c la(.t va(.t nhu+: que't nha`,
be^' em, cha(n tra^u, ca('t co? . . .Va` nhu+~ng va^`n ca dao ma` no' -da~
nghe ngu+o+`i lo+'n ha't thi` nay no' ha't la.i -de^? ru em .
Nhu+ng ro^`i na(m tha'ng tro^i qua, tuo^?i tho+ nhu+o+`ng cho tuo^?i da^.y
thi` con ga'i cu~ng nhu+ ca^y ma. -da~ tha`nh ca^y lu'a mo+n mo+?n to^'t
tu+o+i . Nhu+~ng ca^u -do^`ng dao nga^y tho+, lu'c na`y, kho^ng co`n su+'c
ha^'p da^~n nhu+ nga`y na`o nu+~a . Thay va`o -da^'y, co^ thie^'u nu+~ -do^`ng
que^ u+a ha't va` thuo^.c nhie^`u ca^u ha't hue^ ti`nh . Trong ruo^.ng lu'a
nu+o+ng da^u, tre^n vu+o+`n khoai ba~i sa('n, co^ thu+o+`ng cu`ng chu'ng ba.n
vu+`a la`m vie^.c, vu+`a ca^'t cao tie^'ng gu+?i ta^m tu+ trong ca^u ho`
gio.ng ha't ve'o von:
To^'i qua sa'ng tra(ng to+` mo+`,
Em -di ga'nh nu+o+'c ti`nh co+` ga(.p anh .
Va`o vu+o+`n ha'i qua? cau xanh,
Bo^? ra la`m sa'u mo+`i anh xo+i tra^`u .
Tra^`u na`y te^m nhu+~ng vo^i ta^`u,
Giu+~a -de^.m ca't ca'nh, -do^i -da^`u que^' cay .
Mo+`i anh xo+i mie^'ng tra^`u na`y,
Du` ma(.n, du` nha.t, du` cay, du` no^`ng .
Du` cha(ng ne^n vo+., ne^n cho^`ng,
Xo+i da(m ba mie^'ng cho lo`ng nho+' thu+o+ng !
Va` mo^.t chie^`u kia co^ da'm ha't ghe.o ca? cha`ng trai -di -du+o+`ng,
la.i co`n cu+o+`i khu'c khi'ch la`m cha`ng ta -do? ma(.t bu+o+'c mau:
Ho+~i anh -di -du+o+`ng ca'i quan,
Du+`ng cha^n -du+'ng la.i em than va`i lo+`i .
-Di -da^u vo^.i ma^'y anh o+i!
Co^ng vie^.c -da~ co' chi. to^i o+? nha` . . .
Tho+`i xa xu+a khi chie^'c vo~ng -die^`u co`n la` su+. mo+ u+o+'c chung
cu?a phu. nu+~ VN thi`, o+? la`ng que^, -da so^' tho^n nu+~ -de^`u hu+o+'ng
lo`ng ve^` anh -do^`, tha^`y kho'a:
La^'y cho^`ng cho -da'ng ta^'m cho^`ng,
Bo~ co^ng trang -die^?m ma' ho^`ng ra(ng -den .
Cha(?ng tham ruo^.ng ca? ao lie^`n,
Tham vi` ca'i bu't ca'i nghie^n anh -do^`!
Su+. thie^n vi. ro~ re^.t a^'y la`m cha`ng no^ng phu cay cu' va` ca(m tu+'c,
kho^ng nhi.n -du+o+.c pha?i le^n tie^'ng ca?nh ca'o ma?i mai:
Ai o+i cho+' la^'y ho.c tro`,
Da`i lu+ng to^'n va?i a(n no la.i na(`m!
Nhu+ng -da^`y mo^.t bu.ng chu+~ nghi~a, anh -do^` -da^u chi.u le'p ve^',
la^.p tu+'c pha?n u+'ng ngay:
Hay na(`m -da~ co' vo~ng -da`o,
Da`i lu+ng -da~ co' a'o tra`o nha` vua .
Hay a(n -da~ co' tho'c kho,
Vie^.c gi` ma` cha(?ng a(n no la.i na(`m!
Ly' lua^.n nghe chu+`ng xuo^i tai, ne^n nhie^`u co^ va^~n u+a anh -do^`
ma?nh mai ho+n cha`ng no^ng phu vai u thi.t ba('p, ma(.c da^`u kho^ng pha?i
anh -do^` na`o ro^`i ra cu~ng thanh va^n -da('c lo^. -de^? ma` "ngu+.a anh -di
tru+o+'c, vo~ng na`ng -di sau" . Tuy nhie^n -du+o+.c la`m vo+. anh -do^`, ca'c
co^ va^~n thi'ch va` chi.u kho' thu+'c khuya so+'m ta^`n ta?o nuo^i cho^`ng
a(n ho.c vo+'i ra^'t nhie^`u hy vo.ng o+? tu+o+ng lai:
Canh mo^.t do.n cu+?a do.n nha`,
Canh hai de^.t cu+?i, canh ba -di na(`m .
Canh tu+ bu+o+'c sang canh na(m,
Tri`nh anh da^.y ho.c cho+' na(`m la`m chi.
Nu+~a mai chu'a mo+? khoa thi,
Ba?ng va`ng ra.ng ro+~ ki`a -de^` te^n anh .
Bo~ co^ng cha me. sa('m sanh,
Tie^`n lu+ng ga.o tu'i cho anh va`o tru+o+`ng .
Nghi ve^. -do'ng hai be^n -du+o+`ng,
Ngu+.a anh -di tru+o+'c vo~ng na`ng theo sau .
Ke? chie^n ngu+o+`i tro^'ng -dua nhau,
Tie^'ng khoan ro^.n ri.p tie^'ng mau ra^.p ri`nh .
Nhu+ng kho^ng pha?i co^ na`o cu~ng thi'ch la^'y anh -do^` tha^`y kho'a;
cu~ng co' co^ nghi~ kha'c . Va` -da^y ta ha~y nghe mo^.t tho^n nu+~ tho? the?
no^~i lo`ng:
Mo^.t na(m la` mu+o+`i hai ky`,
Em ngo^`i em ti'nh co' gi` cha(?ng ra:
Tha'ng gie^ng a(n te^'t o+? nha`,
Tha'ng hai ro^~i ra~i quay ra nuo^i ta(`m .
Tha'ng ba -di ba'n va?i tha^m,
Tha'ng tu+ -di ga(.t, tha'ng na(m tro+? ve^` .
Tha'ng sa'u em -di buo^n be`,
Tha'ng ba?y tha'ng ta'm tro+? ve^` -dong ngo^ .
Chi'n mu+o+`i ca('t ra. -do^`ng mu`a;
Mo^.t cha.p vo+' pha?i anh -do^` da`i lu+ng .
Anh a(n ro^`i anh la.i na(`m,
-De^? cho em pha?i quanh na(m lo phie^`n .
Cha(?ng tha` la^'y chu' lu+.c -die^`n,
Ga.o bo^` tho'c -do^'ng co`n phie^`n no^~i chi ?
Song le du` la^'y anh -do^` anh kho'a hay ga' nghi~a vo+'i no^ng phu, ca'c
co^ cu~ng va^~n pha?i hai su+o+ng mo^.t na('ng, -da^`u ta('t ma(.t to^'i lo
ga'nh va'c giang so+n nha` cho^`ng . Vi` anh -do^` anh kho'a thu+o+`ng nghe`o
ma` co^ng vie^.c nha` no^ng thi` quanh na(m va^'t va? . Cho ne^n nhan sa('c
cu?a ca'c co^ kho' giu+~ -du+o+.c la^u be^`n:
Mo^.t nga`y hai bu+~a co+m -de`n,
Co`n gi` ma' pha^'n ra(ng -den, ho+~i cha`ng!
-Da~ the^', nhie^`u khi la.i vo+' pha?i anh cho^`ng kho^ng chi.u cha(m lo
la`m a(n ma` co`n cho+i bo+`i co+` ba.c . Vo+. khuye^n can thi` sinh su+. la`m
a^`m cu+?a a^`m nha` . Gia ca?nh tha^.t la` cha'n na?n . Ta ha~y nghe na`ng
than tho+? cu`ng chi. em be` ba.n:
Cho^`ng em no' cha(?ng ra gi`,
To^? to^m, xo'c -di~a no' thi` cho+i hoang .
No'i ra xa^'u thie^'p ho^? cha`ng,
No' gia^.n no' pha' tan hoang cu+?a nha`!
No'i -da^y co' chi. em nha`:
Co`n da(m ba thu'ng tho'c vo+'i mo^.t va` ca^n bo^ng
Em ba'n -di tra? no+. cho cho^`ng,
Co`n a(n he^'t nhi.n cho ha? lo`ng cho^`ng con!
Pha?n u+'ng ba(`ng ca'ch nha` co`n chu't gi` nha(.t nha.nh -di ba'n he^'t
-de^? "tra? no+. co+` ba.c cho cho^`ng", -de^? me. con "he^'t nhi.n" cho ca'm
ca?nh vo+'i -da^'t tro+`i, -de^? anh cho^`ng hu+ tra('ng ma('t ra!
Pha?n u+'ng tie^u cu+.c, nhe . nha`ng nhu+ va^.y; co' le~ chi? co' ca'c
co^ tho^n nu+~ VN mo+'i la`m -du+o+.c! Vi` tha'i -do^. na`y -do`i ho?i nhie^`u
-du+'c ti'nh: kho^ng nhu+~ng nhu mi` hie^`n ha^.u ma` co`n pha?i nhie^`u
nha^~n nhi.n, gia^`u hy sinh .
Nha^~n nhi.n, hy sinh, thu? thu+o+`ng an pha^.n, e'p mi`nh trong khuo^n
kho^? kha('t khe cu?a le^~ gia'o, cha^'p nha^.n mo.i ba^'t co^ng cu?a ne^`n
lua^n ly' co^? truye^`n . . .-Do' la` ba?n ti'nh cu?a phu. nu+~ VN xu+a
-du+o+.c -da`o ta.o kha('t khe trong gia'o ly' Kho^?ng Ma.nh . Cho ne^n ta
kho^ng la. tru+o+'c ca?nh co' le~ chi? co' o+? nu+o+'c ta tru+o+'c -da^y ma`
hie^'m tha^'y o+? xa~ ho^.i na`o kha'c tre^n the^' gio+'i:
Cho^`ng gia^.n thi` vo+. la`m la`nh,
Mie^.ng cu+o+`i ho+'n ho+? ra(`ng anh gia^.n gi` ?
Thu+a anh, anh gia^.n em chi ?
Muo^'n la^'y vo+. le~ em thi` la^'y cho !
Tha^.t la` ngoan, tha^.t la` hie^`n, tha^.t la` "Vie^.t Nam" o+? ca'i
tho+`i co`n na(.ng ne^` a?nh hu+o+?ng Nho gia'o . O+? ca'i tho+`i ma` me.
luo^n luo^n nha('c nho+? con ga'i kho^ng -du+o+.c "ho.c tho'i chua ngoa",
pha?i luo^n luo^n "tu+o+i ta('n", pha?i "khoan a(n bo+'t ngu?" -de^? "lo toan
cho cho^`ng" . . .nghi~a la` luo^n luo^n chi.u thie^.t mo.i be^` -de^?
-du+o+.c tie^'ng la` da^u hie^`n, vo+. -da?m:
Con o+i! Me. ba?o con na`y:
Ho.c buo^n ho.c ba'n cho ta`y ngu+o+`i ta .
Con -du+`ng ho.c tho'i chua ngoa,
Ho. ha`ng ghe't bo?, ngu+o+`i ta che^ cu+o+`i .
Du` no du` -do'i cho tu+o+i,
Khoan a(n bo+'t ngu? lie^.u ba`i lo toan .
Pho`ng khi -do'ng go'p vie^.c la`ng,
-Do^`ng tie^`n ba't ga.o lo toan cho cho^`ng . . .
Tru+o+'c la` -da('c nghi~a cu`ng cho^`ng,
Sau la` ho. ma.c se~ kho^ng che^ cu+o+`i .
Con o+i! Nho+' ba^'y nhie^u lo+`i . . .
Trong ca dao, co^ tho^n nu+~ VN co`n hie^.n ra du+o+'i nhie^`u khi'a ca.nh
-da'ng ye^u, -da'ng me^'n, -da'ng tro.ng va` cu~ng -da'ng thu+o+ng . . .Nhu+ng
tho^i, xin ngu+ng no'i -de^? mo+`i ba.n -do.c la('ng nghe . . .Vi` tre^n
thu+?a ruo^.ng -da(`ng kia, co^ -dang vu+`a la`m vu+`a gu+?i ta^m ti`nh trong
gio.ng ca quye^'n ru~:
Co' -de^m ra -du+'ng -da(`ng ta^y,
Tro^ng le^n chi? tha^'y bo'ng ma^y ta` ta` .
Co' -de^m ra -du+'ng vu+o+`n hoa,
Tro^ng le^n chi? tha^'y sao ta` xanh xanh .
Co' -de^m tho+ tha^?n mo^.t mi`nh,
Mo^.t -de^m thu+'c ca? na(m canh ro~ ra`ng .
Co' -de^m ta.c -da' ghi va`ng,
Nga`y na`o em cha? nho+' cha`ng, cha`ng o+i!
Thu+o+ng mi`nh la('m la('m, mi`nh o+i!
Nho+' mie^.ng mi`nh no'i, nho+' lo+`i mi`nh than .
Nho+' mi`nh nhu+ nho+' la.ng va`ng,
Kha't khao vi` ne^'t, mo+ ma`ng vi` duye^n .
Nho+' mi`nh nhu+ bu't nho+' nghie^n,
Nhu+ mu+.c nho+' gia^'y, nhu+ thuye^`n nho+' so^ng .
Nho+' mi`nh nhu+ vo+. nho+' cho^`ng,
Nhu+ chim nho+' to^?, nhu+ ro^`ng nho+' ma^y .
Va` ba^y gio+` mo^~i khi nho+' ve^` -do^`ng ruo^.ng na(m xu+a, ta kho^ng
the^? kho^ng nho+' -de^'n co^ tho^n nu+~ nga`y na`o vo+'i kha(n vuo^ng mo?
qua., vo+'i ta` a'o tu+' tha^n, vo+'i tie^'ng cu+o+`i ho^`n nhie^n, vo+'i
gio.ng ca trong tre?o, nho? nhoi ma` cu+'ng ca'p, ti`nh tu+' ma` di.u da`ng .
. . Nhu+~ng hi`nh a?nh de^~ thu+o+ng tha^n me^'n a^'y cu+' mo+` da^`n, nha.t
da^`n vo+'i tho+`i gian, va` ro^`i ra co' le~ chi? co`n ti`m tha^'y trong
nhu+~ng va^`n tho+ da^n to^.c !
Ba`ng Ba' La^n
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Topic No. 12
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:08:09 +1000
From: Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Take something back to Vietnam
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970322165743.2d0f32b0@gimr.garvan.unsw.edu.au>
Anh Huy,
I have some books on stats and computing , which I want to send to
DDa.i Ho.c To^?ng Ho+.p or whatever university. How can I do this? Should I
send it to you?
Please discuss and work out specific logistic ussues.
Tuan V Nguyen
At 09:14 AM 21/03/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Dear vnforum & VNSA friends,
>
>I'm going back to Vietnam in May for two weeks. If we can get together and buy
>something for Vietnam, eg books or equipments for humanitarian purposes,
>I am willing to take it and deliver it in Saigon. Is there any idea
>what we should give and to whom? I would contribute 30$ to this fund.
>
>Huy
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Topic No. 13
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 00:59:14 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: [Quotations] Communism
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.970322005702.20041A-100000@june.cs.washington.edu>
Hi all,
Anh Hung La told me that he was to send this message to vn-forum, but
inadvertly sent it to VNSA instead.
Hai.
On Fri, 21 Mar 1997, Hung M. La wrote:
> Here are some quotations for this weekend.
>
> TGIF
> Hung
>
> ____________________________________________________________
>
> What is a Communist? One who hath yearnings
> For equal division of unequal earnings.
> Idler or bungler, or both, he is willing
> To fork out his copper and pocket a shilling.
> --Ebenezer Elliott
.......
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Topic No. 14
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:48:55 +0900 (KST)
From: xuanlong(9525051) <xuanlong@postech.ac.kr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ve^` Ha?i Pho`ng, tha`nh pho^' Hoa Phuong Do
Message-ID: <199703220948.SAA01103@sws3.postech.ac.kr>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c ddo^`ng hu+o+ng, ba'c Bao, An Hai, Thanh, Vi~nh(JP) ,..
To^i cu~ng sinh ra va` lo+'n le^n, (cho dde^'n khi va`o DH) o+? HP.
Cu+' thu+o+`ng tro^.m nghi~ ra+`ng dda^'t HP co' nhie^`u businessmen
ho+n la` scientists (va^~n bie^'t nhu+~ng Va+n Cao, The^' Lu+~,...
dde^`u ba+'t dda^`u no^?i tie^'ng tu+` dda^y)
ra^'t mu+`ng khi tha^'y tre^n ca'i list na`y co' ra^'t nhie^`u
ddo^`ng hu+o+ng tu+` HP, tha`nh pho^' ddang bi. ro+i va`o que^n
la~ng trong co^ng cuo^.c ddo^?i mo+'i na`y cu?a Dda?ng va` Ba'c.
Mo^~i la^`n ve^` tro^ng HP ca`ng the^m buo^`n. Ba.n be` ddu+'a
na`o to^'t nghie^.p DH thi` cu~ng o+? la.i Ha` no^.i tuo^'t
chi? nga`y nghi? mo+'i ve^` HP cho "ye^n ti~nh". Kho^ng bie^'t
ro^`i mi`nh cu~ng co' nhu+ the^' cha+ng... ( Cha+'c anh Vi~nh
ddang ho.c
HP vo+'i to^i co' vo^ va`n ki? nie^.m. Nhu+~ng hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?,
nhu+~ng o^`n a`o pho^' cho+., nhu+~ng tie^'ng co`i ta`u lu'c ban
chie^`u.... Co' the^? no'i la` o+? HP, tha`nh pho^' va` con ngu+o+`i
co' nhie^`u ca'i ra^'t dda+.c tru+ng, va` rie^ng, hay co' do+? co'.
Nga`y nay ve^` HP, ma+.c du` ddo+`i so^'ng tu+`ng nha` co' kha' so
vo+'i ca? nu+o+'c, toa`n ca?nh tha`nh pho^' thi` va^~n the^'.
Va^~n tu+`ng a^'y con ddu+o+`ng, ma'i nha`, kho^ng co' ddu+o+.c
ca'i khi' the^' xa^y du+.ng cu?a Hanoi va` TPHCM. Ca?ng thi` ca`ng
nga`y ca`ng ca.n. La~nh dda.o thi` toa`n nhu+~ng vi. gia`, chi?
thi'ch giu+~ ghe^', tham nhu~ng va` kho^ng co' mo^.t ca'i vision
gi` he^'t. Ddo+.t ro^`i ve^` HP, nghe mo^.t ngu+o+`i ba.n cu?a
bo^' to^i no'i ma` gia^.t mi`nh. Ra+`ng cha+?ng co' no+i na`o co'
"nhu+~ng ca'i te^n nghe cha+?ng tho+ dda^u" ddu+o+.c nhu+ HP.
Nhu+~ng be^'n thi` be^'n Bi'nh, ca^`u thi` Ra`o, ngo~ thi` Ca^'m
so^ng thi` La^'p, ngo~ thi` Cu.t.....
Bo^' to^i thi` no'i ngu+o+`i HP co' nhie^`u ne't dda'ng kha^m phu.c,
ddo' la` kha? na+ng chi.u cha^'p nha^.n ru?i ro dde^? la`m a+n lo+'n.
Vi` va^.y ddi dda^u ho. cu~ng la`m a+n ne^n no^?i ca?.
Ma+.c du` to^i ra^'t ye^u HP, to^i chu+a bao gio+` coi mi`nh la` 100%
Ha?i pho`ng ca?. Bo^' me. to^i que^ o? Nghe^. an, la^.p nghie^.p o+?
HP dda~ la^u, va` to^i va^~n ve^` tha+m Nghe^. an thu+o+`ng xuyen.
Vi` va^.y la` to^i co' 2 que^ Nghe^. an va` HP. ( Hello ba'c An Ha?i
co' le~ to^i co' the^? ddu+o+.c go.i la` Ha?i An cu~ng ddu+o.c nhi? ;-)
Ddie^`u thu' vi. la` da^n NA va` HP co' le~ la` hai no+i co' ti'nh
regionalism cao nha^'t. Ba+`ng chu+'ng la` o+? dda^'t Korea na`y
ca`ng nga`y ca`ng co' ddo^ng ngu+o+`i Vietnam lao ddo^.ng sang.
Tro^.m ca+'p, mafia cu?a da^n Viet nha` mi`nh, vo^'n no^?i tie^'ng
tu+` la^u o+? Ddo^ng a^u nay mo^.t la^`n nu+~a du nha^.p va`o
xu+' so+? nha^n sa^m na`y. Trong so^' ca'c ba+ng dda?ng thi`
ba+ng cu?a da^n HP va` NA la` no^?i tie^'ng dda'ng so+. nha^'t.
O+n tro+`i to^i dda~ nha^.n ca? hai no+i ne^n cha+?ng so+. anh
HP hay NA na`o ra xin tie^`n he^'t.....
Hmm, ro^ng da`i chuye^.n HP co' le~ pha?i ddi vi` ddo'i bu.ng qua'.
Chu'c ca'c ba'c HP ma.nh kho?e va` ve^` tha`nh pho^' thu+o+`ng xuyen.
Nha^n the^? ta+.ng ca'c ba'c lo+`i ba`i ha't, vo^'n la` ba`i tho+
(nhu+ng to^i chi? bie^'t qua lo+`i ba`i ha't, ma` cu~ng kho^ng he^'t)
cu?a nha` tho+ Thanh Tu`ng( o+? HP) vo+'i khung ca?ng cu~ng HP vo+'i
ma`u ddo? cu?a hoa phu+o+.ng, dda^y la` mo^.t trong nhu+~ng ba`i
ha't( tho+) concerning HP ma` to^i ra^'t thi'ch.
Ba'c na`o co' original version xin post giu`m hoa.c email cho to^i,
xin dda ta.
Mu`a hoa ddo?
Ta'c gia? Thanh Tu`ng,
Du+o+'i ma^`u hoa nhu+ lu+?a cha'y kha't khao
Bu+o+'c la+.ng tre^n con ddu+o+`ng va+'ng na+m nao
Chi? co' tie^'ng ve so^i co^`n ca`o
Ma` cha'y trong lo`ng ngu+o+`i ye^u thuo+? na`o
Anh ma?i me^ ve^` mo^.t ma`u ma^y xa
Ca'nh buo^`m bay ve^` mo^.t tho+`i dda~ qua
Em tha^`m ha't mo^.t ca^u tho+ cu~
Ve^` mo^.t tho+`i thie^'u nu+~ say me^
Mo^~i mu`a hoa ddo? ve^`
Hoa nhu+ mu+a ro+i ro+i
Ca'nh mo?ng manh xao xa'c co? tu+o+i
Nhu+ nuo^'i tie^'c mo^.t tho+`i trai tre?
Trong ca^u tho+ cu?a em anh kho^ng co' ma+.t
Ca^u tho+ ha't ve^` mo+.t tho+`i thie^'u nu+~
Anh kho^ng buo^`n ma` chi? tie^'c
em kho^ng ddi he^'t nhu+~ng nga`y dda+'m say
Mo^~i mu`a hoa ddo? ve^`
Hoa nhu+ mu+a ro+i ro+i
Nghe tha'ng nga`y xu+a ta da.i kho+`
Ta nhi`n sa^u va`o trong ma+'t nhau....
Sau ba`i ha't ro^`i em la+.ng ye^n
Ca'i la+.ng ye^n ru+.c ma`u hoa ddo?
Sau ba`i ha't ro^`i em nhu+ the^?
Em cu?a tho+`i hoa ddo? nga`y xu+a
Sau ba`i ha't ro^`i anh cu~ng the^'...
Anh cu?a tho+`i hoa ddo? nga`y xu+a......
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Topic No. 15
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 07:25:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Aiviet Nguyen <aiviet@cat.syr.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: RE: China and Vietnam
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.970322064225.14992A-100000@lynx.cat.syr.edu>
Hi Anh Tuan Pham,
Hope you don't think that all DHS and North VNmese think like Anh Tran
Minh Tien does.
It is wrong to think that the job of politicians is so high that people
cannot understand. I think this inferior feeling to politicians and the
superior feeling to non-expert out side the specifific profession are
consequences of a common syndrom.
In fact, if somebody cannot tell clearly what he is doing in few
sentence so that every body can understand, he probably does not understand
the matter as well ( or he is cheating).
Politics is a balance between the governing class and the intellectuals.
The structure of society is built in a very unlucky way that if you are
doing something very well you will be promoted untill you will become
quite useless. So politicians always need a feed back from the people
because in their position they are quite blind to many problems.
Politics is always clear and understandable as everybody have been playing
that game. Probably, we don't understand the practical details but
nothing mysterious that we cannot think about. It would be wrong, if we
go home and say :" Hey I want to try few missiles and let me do that" or
" I want to fight with the Chinese let me do that".
More that being able to think about that, we must also think about that.
DHS owed to VN a duty, but should not be a slave of any idea of taking
advantage of that trivial fact to excercise a monopoly. There are many ways
to serve the duty, among them there are nontrivial ways that are not obvious
for others and it is a personal matter for each DHS to decide to choose
his/her way.
Twenty five years ago, the old style cadres also used this logics: You
came by the MONEY of government so you have to listen to ME, and I tell
you that you should cut your hair in the style I IMPOSE. NO COMMENT ,
SHUT UP, you are kids and cannot understand how important the hair style is.
Hopefully, young generation of DHS is more initiative and independent in
thinking. Even in VN that style is not acceptable now.
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Topic No. 16
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:29:05 +0900
From: Vu Nam <musen212@geisya.or.jp>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ve^` Ha?i Pho`ng, tha`nh pho^' Hoa Phuong Do
Message-ID: <3333D091.7435@geisya.or.jp>
Chao cac bac dong huong Hai phong va tat ca cac bac tren VNSA
Them toi nua cu~ng HP, sinh ra, lon len va` toi nay van... HP. Cung mung
khi thay cac bac gioi thieu. Hy vong co ngay ha.nh ngo.
Vu Nam
xuanlong(9525051) wrote:
>
> Cha`o ca'c ba'c ddo^`ng hu+o+ng, ba'c Bao, An Hai, Thanh, Vi~nh(JP) ,..
>
> To^i cu~ng sinh ra va` lo+'n le^n, (cho dde^'n khi va`o DH) o+? HP.
> Cu+' thu+o+`ng tro^.m nghi~ ra+`ng dda^'t HP co' nhie^`u businessmen
> ho+n la` scientists (va^~n bie^'t nhu+~ng Va+n Cao, The^' Lu+~,...
> dde^`u ba+'t dda^`u no^?i tie^'ng tu+` dda^y)
> ra^'t mu+`ng khi tha^'y tre^n ca'i list na`y co' ra^'t nhie^`u
> ddo^`ng hu+o+ng tu+` HP, tha`nh pho^' ddang bi. ro+i va`o que^n
> la~ng trong co^ng cuo^.c ddo^?i mo+'i na`y cu?a Dda?ng va` Ba'c.
> Mo^~i la^`n ve^` tro^ng HP ca`ng the^m buo^`n. Ba.n be` ddu+'a
> na`o to^'t nghie^.p DH thi` cu~ng o+? la.i Ha` no^.i tuo^'t
> chi? nga`y nghi? mo+'i ve^` HP cho "ye^n ti~nh". Kho^ng bie^'t
> ro^`i mi`nh cu~ng co' nhu+ the^' cha+ng... ( Cha+'c anh Vi~nh
> ddang ho.c
>
> HP vo+'i to^i co' vo^ va`n ki? nie^.m. Nhu+~ng hoa phu+o+.ng ddo?,
> nhu+~ng o^`n a`o pho^' cho+., nhu+~ng tie^'ng co`i ta`u lu'c ban
> chie^`u.... Co' the^? no'i la` o+? HP, tha`nh pho^' va` con ngu+o+`i
> co' nhie^`u ca'i ra^'t dda+.c tru+ng, va` rie^ng, hay co' do+? co'.
>
> Nga`y nay ve^` HP, ma+.c du` ddo+`i so^'ng tu+`ng nha` co' kha' so
> vo+'i ca? nu+o+'c, toa`n ca?nh tha`nh pho^' thi` va^~n the^'.
> Va^~n tu+`ng a^'y con ddu+o+`ng, ma'i nha`, kho^ng co' ddu+o+.c
> ca'i khi' the^' xa^y du+.ng cu?a Hanoi va` TPHCM. Ca?ng thi` ca`ng
> nga`y ca`ng ca.n. La~nh dda.o thi` toa`n nhu+~ng vi. gia`, chi?
> thi'ch giu+~ ghe^', tham nhu~ng va` kho^ng co' mo^.t ca'i vision
> gi` he^'t. Ddo+.t ro^`i ve^` HP, nghe mo^.t ngu+o+`i ba.n cu?a
> bo^' to^i no'i ma` gia^.t mi`nh. Ra+`ng cha+?ng co' no+i na`o co'
> "nhu+~ng ca'i te^n nghe cha+?ng tho+ dda^u" ddu+o+.c nhu+ HP.
> Nhu+~ng be^'n thi` be^'n Bi'nh, ca^`u thi` Ra`o, ngo~ thi` Ca^'m
> so^ng thi` La^'p, ngo~ thi` Cu.t.....
> Bo^' to^i thi` no'i ngu+o+`i HP co' nhie^`u ne't dda'ng kha^m phu.c,
> ddo' la` kha? na+ng chi.u cha^'p nha^.n ru?i ro dde^? la`m a+n lo+'n.
> Vi` va^.y ddi dda^u ho. cu~ng la`m a+n ne^n no^?i ca?.
>
> Ma+.c du` to^i ra^'t ye^u HP, to^i chu+a bao gio+` coi mi`nh la` 100%
> Ha?i pho`ng ca?. Bo^' me. to^i que^ o? Nghe^. an, la^.p nghie^.p o+?
> HP dda~ la^u, va` to^i va^~n ve^` tha+m Nghe^. an thu+o+`ng xuyen.
> Vi` va^.y la` to^i co' 2 que^ Nghe^. an va` HP. ( Hello ba'c An Ha?i
> co' le~ to^i co' the^? ddu+o+.c go.i la` Ha?i An cu~ng ddu+o.c nhi? ;-)
> Ddie^`u thu' vi. la` da^n NA va` HP co' le~ la` hai no+i co' ti'nh
> regionalism cao nha^'t. Ba+`ng chu+'ng la` o+? dda^'t Korea na`y
> ca`ng nga`y ca`ng co' ddo^ng ngu+o+`i Vietnam lao ddo^.ng sang.
> Tro^.m ca+'p, mafia cu?a da^n Viet nha` mi`nh, vo^'n no^?i tie^'ng
> tu+` la^u o+? Ddo^ng a^u nay mo^.t la^`n nu+~a du nha^.p va`o
> xu+' so+? nha^n sa^m na`y. Trong so^' ca'c ba+ng dda?ng thi`
> ba+ng cu?a da^n HP va` NA la` no^?i tie^'ng dda'ng so+. nha^'t.
> O+n tro+`i to^i dda~ nha^.n ca? hai no+i ne^n cha+?ng so+. anh
> HP hay NA na`o ra xin tie^`n he^'t.....
>
> Hmm, ro^ng da`i chuye^.n HP co' le~ pha?i ddi vi` ddo'i bu.ng qua'.
> Chu'c ca'c ba'c HP ma.nh kho?e va` ve^` tha`nh pho^' thu+o+`ng xuyen.
> Nha^n the^? ta+.ng ca'c ba'c lo+`i ba`i ha't, vo^'n la` ba`i tho+
> (nhu+ng to^i chi? bie^'t qua lo+`i ba`i ha't, ma` cu~ng kho^ng he^'t)
> cu?a nha` tho+ Thanh Tu`ng( o+? HP) vo+'i khung ca?ng cu~ng HP vo+'i
> ma`u ddo? cu?a hoa phu+o+.ng, dda^y la` mo^.t trong nhu+~ng ba`i
> ha't( tho+) concerning HP ma` to^i ra^'t thi'ch.
> Ba'c na`o co' original version xin post giu`m hoa.c email cho to^i,
> xin dda ta.
>
> Mu`a hoa ddo?
> Ta'c gia? Thanh Tu`ng,
>
> Du+o+'i ma^`u hoa nhu+ lu+?a cha'y kha't khao
> Bu+o+'c la+.ng tre^n con ddu+o+`ng va+'ng na+m nao
> Chi? co' tie^'ng ve so^i co^`n ca`o
> Ma` cha'y trong lo`ng ngu+o+`i ye^u thuo+? na`o
>
> Anh ma?i me^ ve^` mo^.t ma`u ma^y xa
> Ca'nh buo^`m bay ve^` mo^.t tho+`i dda~ qua
> Em tha^`m ha't mo^.t ca^u tho+ cu~
> Ve^` mo^.t tho+`i thie^'u nu+~ say me^
>
> Mo^~i mu`a hoa ddo? ve^`
> Hoa nhu+ mu+a ro+i ro+i
> Ca'nh mo?ng manh xao xa'c co? tu+o+i
> Nhu+ nuo^'i tie^'c mo^.t tho+`i trai tre?
>
> Trong ca^u tho+ cu?a em anh kho^ng co' ma+.t
> Ca^u tho+ ha't ve^` mo+.t tho+`i thie^'u nu+~
> Anh kho^ng buo^`n ma` chi? tie^'c
> em kho^ng ddi he^'t nhu+~ng nga`y dda+'m say
>
> Mo^~i mu`a hoa ddo? ve^`
> Hoa nhu+ mu+a ro+i ro+i
> Nghe tha'ng nga`y xu+a ta da.i kho+`
> Ta nhi`n sa^u va`o trong ma+'t nhau....
>
> Sau ba`i ha't ro^`i em la+.ng ye^n
> Ca'i la+.ng ye^n ru+.c ma`u hoa ddo?
> Sau ba`i ha't ro^`i em nhu+ the^?
> Em cu?a tho+`i hoa ddo? nga`y xu+a
> Sau ba`i ha't ro^`i anh cu~ng the^'...
> Anh cu?a tho+`i hoa ddo? nga`y xu+a......
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