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VNSA-L digest 282
VNSA-L Digest 282
Topics covered in this issue include:
1) Re: Tim` ba` con
by Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
2) Re: [HELP] uudecode an email from VN
by Vu Quoc HUNG <hung@vsb.cz>
3) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
4) Re: Ba'o VN: Gia?i vo^ ddi.ch ha.ng nha^'t Quo^c gia
by Nguyen Danh Nguyen <smm68469@ait.ac.th>
5) Help me!!!
by Anh Tuan <tn146564@students.mimuw.edu.pl>
6) Re: China & Vietnam
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
7) Re: Help me!
by A Blue Wolverine <kphan@engin.umich.edu>
8) Re: VNSA-L digest 274
by Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
9) re: [HELP] uudecode and uuencode an email from VN
by "Thai Nguyen" <tinguyen@nortel.ca>
10) Just a joke
by Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
11) Help!!! Questions about Cu. HCM
by Hai-Tri Le <haitril@microsoft.com>
12) And I quote...
by ianb@sun670.telecom.tandem.com (Ian Bui)
13) Help me!
by Huyen Nguyen <Huyen.Nguyen@scinfo.u-nancy.fr>
14) Ta`u
by huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
15) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
by Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
16) Re: And I quote...
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
17) E-mail Bao Tuoi Tre
by Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
18) Re: China & Vietnam
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
19) Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
by Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
20) Re: YES IT'S 9867312
by Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
21) Re: China & Vietnam
by Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
22) Ba'o HN: So^' Pha^.n Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga
by AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
23) Re: YES IT'S 9867312
by Thu-Huong Tran <tran@robles.callutheran.edu>
24) Looking for contacts
by Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
25) VN News (Mar. 17-18, 1997)
by Vu Thanh Ca <vuca@envi.env.civil.saitama-u.ac.jp>
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Topic No. 1
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:53:04 +0100 (MET)
From: Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Tim` ba` con
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970318103503.26612A-100000@dutmpw3.tudelft.nl>
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Ian Bui wrote:
> To^i co' tha<`ng em ho. te^n Dda<.ng Minh Tri',
> nga`y xu*a tu*`ng du ho.c be^n Nga. Nghe dda^u
> no' co' o*? Minsk mo^.t tho*i` gian, cu~ng lam`
> a<n buo^n ban' du*~ la<'m. Kho^ng bie^'t ma^y'
> bac' co' ai bie^'t no' kho^ng. Cuo^'i na<m ngoai'
> nghe noi' no' ddi.nh xin qua U'c ho.c MBA, kho^ng
> bie^'t co' ddi ddu*o*.c hay chu*a#. Bac' nao` co'
> bie^'t tin tu*'c gi` xin cho hay du`m.
Hi ba'c Ian,
Ne^'u o^ng em ho. cu?a ba'c la` ngu+o+`i Ca^`n Tho+ thi` co' le~ to^i
bie^'t o^ng a^'y dda^'y. DDe^? to^^i vie^'t ra dda^y ca'i profile cu?a
o^ng Tri' to^i quen nhe'.
O^ng DDa(.ng Minh Tri' ma` to^i quen ngu+o+`i Ca^`n Tho+. Bo^' o^ng a^'y
da.y Da.i Ho.c Ca^`n Tho+ (DHCT). (To^i co' la^`n ddi cu`ng Tri' va` ba'c
trai tu+` Sa`i Go`n ve^` Ca^`n Tho+ ba(`ng xe cu?a DHCT)
Tri' thi va`o DHCT nga`nh Co+ Khi Nong Nghiep, sang Minsk nam 1984 hoc
nga`nh Che^' Ta.o O^to^. Tot nghiep nam 1989. Cuoi nam 1989 sang Minsk
tro+? la.i ho.c PhD ve^` "tu+. ddo^ng ho'a ho^.p so^' xe va^. n ta?i"
hay gi` ddo' dda.i loa.i nhu+ va^.y. Co' le~ Tri' dda~ lay xong PhD va`o
cuo^'i 1992.
Ve^` tha`nh ti'ch "ddi buo^n" cu?a Tri' nhu+ ba'c nha('c dde^'n thi` to^i
kho^ng dduoc biet. Trong tri' nho+' cua toi thi` ha('n rat hie^`n la`nh
va` kho^ng dduoc commercially minded cho lam
Tu+` la^u roi toi khong co' contact trtuc tiep voi Tri'. Nhung ba tua^`n
truoc co' nghe mot nguoi tu+` Ca^`n Tho+ cho biet la` Tri' dda ve lai VN
va` ddang la`m viec tai Saigon. Nghe no'i la` lu+o+ng bo^~ng cu~ng kha'.
Good luck with seeking your cousins. Neu co' lien lac dduoc voi Tri' cho
toi goi loi tham nhe'. Toi la` Bu+?u Long, em co^ Lu+u+ Khanh day hoc o+?
Can Tho+.
Regards,
Buu-Long
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Topic No. 2
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:07:49 +0100 (MET)
From: Vu Quoc HUNG <hung@vsb.cz>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Cc: tinguyen@nortel.ca
Subject: Re: [HELP] uudecode an email from VN
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.91.970318110121.5333B-100000@decsys.vsb.cz>
> Topic No. 16
>
> Date: 17 Mar 1997 13:50 EST
> From: "Thai Nguyen" <tinguyen@nortel.ca>
> To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
> Subject: [HELP] uudecode an email from VN
> Message-ID: <199703171919.NAA11593@batch1.csd.uwm.edu>
>
> Hello,
>
> I'd need a bit of help here. I received an email from VN which had been
> uuencoded (that's what my email system told me) and I did a uudecode on it but
> I've had a few problems. The uuencoded file starts with "begin 600 TMP8.$$$" so
> the file uudecoded is TMP8.$$$. That's what I got but when I tried to read it
> with vi TMP8.$$$, I had "TMP8.7522$ [New file]" and with cat TMP8.$$$, I got
> " cat: cannot open TMP8.7522$: No such file". What's going on here? I've never
> used uuencode and decode before so I might have missed something. I think the
> guy in Ha Noi must have sent me the email with uucp. Thanx!!
>
Hi Ba'c Thai Nguyen tinguyen@nortel.ca,
Try
vi TMP8.\$\$\$
Good luck.
, ,
("\''/").___..--''"`-._
`o_ o ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`)
(_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' Me`o tra('ng hay me`o dden
_..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' .' mie^~n thi.t ngon la` ddu+o+.c
(il),-'' (li),' ((!.-'
Hu`ng.
+---------------------------+----------------------------------------+
"Bill Gate's daughter will be the best product from MS".
------------------------------
Topic No. 3
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:25:30 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
Message-ID: <9703181025.AA21086@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
Ca'c ba'c ba`n ca'i chi ma` nha` em nghe nhu+ vi.t nghe sa^'m\.
Ca'c ba'c la`m o+n chi? cho nha` em bie^'t nhu+ the^' na`o
thi` ddu+o+.c go.i la` "objective", cho+' kho^ng thi` nha`
em kho^ng bie^'t ddie^`u ca'c ba'c no'i la` "objective" hay
"subjective". Kho^? the^' dda^'y, nha` em cha? hie^?u gi`
nhu+ng ma` la.i thi'ch no'i, bie^'t la`m sao ddu+o+.c ?
Cheers,
Tra^`n Minh Tie^'n
PS: A` se'm que^n, chu'c ba'c Ho^`ng La^m cho^~m che^. ma?nh chie^'u
sa^n ddi`nh ha\. Chuye^'n na`y thi` va(n minh la`ng xa~ ca`ng vui
ba'c nhi?\. Thi hu+'ng ta(.ng ba'c ba`i "Vo^ dde^`".
Co' nhu+~ng ddie^`u kho^ng the^? no'i ra dda^u
Nhu+~ng ca^u ho?i cha(?ng bao gio+` ddem ho?i
Ta dda`nh ddo+.i tha'ng na(m se~ dde^'n
Tro` cho+i na`o cha(?ng ke^'t
ma(.t la. ro+i\.
------------------------------
Topic No. 4
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:32:05 +0700 (GMT+0700)
From: Nguyen Danh Nguyen <smm68469@ait.ac.th>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Ba'o VN: Gia?i vo^ ddi.ch ha.ng nha^'t Quo^c gia
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.94.970318172008.5056A-100000@alphaserv.ait.ac.th>
Hi AnHai,
Ca'm o+n anh dda~ cho nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ha^m mo^. bo'ng dda' VN bie^'t
nhu+~ng tho^ng tin mo+'i ve^` gia?i quo^'c gia.
Xin lo^~i, anh co' the^? post ke^'t qua? ca'c vo`ng dda^'u o+? gia?i vo^
ddi.ch ha.ng ma.nh le^n du+o+.c kho^ng ?
Nguye^n.
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Topic No. 5
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:08:49 +0100 (MET)
From: Anh Tuan <tn146564@students.mimuw.edu.pl>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Help me!!!
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.95.970318130510.17821A-100000@zodiac2.mimuw.edu.pl>
Cha`o ca'c anh chi.!
To^i muo^'n gu+?i thu+ cho gia ddi`nh o+? Sa`i Go`n VN. Nghe no'i co' ca'c
di.ch vu. Cyber Ca` Phe^ o+? Sa`i Go`n, anh chi. na`o bie^'t ro~ ve^`
di.ch vu. na`y xin cho bie^'t tho^ng tin. Xin ca?m o+n nhie^`u.
DDi.a chi? cu?a to^i tn146564@zodiac2.mimuw.edu.pl
------------------------------
Topic No. 6
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 12:21:59 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <97031812215974@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
Dear friends,
Apart from building on Mischief Reef, all Chinese aggression
in SEA has targeted Vietnam. This is not only because Deng hated
Vietnam and made Vietnam a scapegoat for Chinese politics. It's
also because Vietnam doesn't have the means to defend her seas,
because agression against Vietnam won't adversely affect Chinese
and regional economies, and because Vietnam is only on the edge
of acceptability to the world.
In the short term, China is relying on not only its naval superirority
but also on dividing the nations it is up against: China insists that
territorial talks be bilateral and not multilateral, ie, China against
Vietnam, China against Malaysia, China against the Phillippines, China
against Indonesia. The only reason for this is the old divide and conquer
strategy; the nature of the disputes means that bilateral talks are invalid
and the talks must be multilateral. And the ASEAN countries should support each
other. Vietnam should start campaigning for multilateral talks.
For long term defence, Vietnam must progess quickly and show the world
that it has a civil society that is worthy of the world's respect, support and
friendship, Vietnam must develop its economy and be a part of the regional
economic well-being, Vietnam must become rich so it can affort to modernise
its defence.
Vietnam's position will be much better not only if it is richer and
has a modern defence but also if the world sees China as a dictatorship
violating human rights and engaging in unacceptable economic practices that is
committing aggression against an emergent civil society that is co-operating
in the economic well-being of the world.
Huy
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Topic No. 7
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:29:04 -0500 (EST)
From: A Blue Wolverine <kphan@engin.umich.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Help me!
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.970318082747.21200A-100000@orchid.engin.umich.edu>
Go to my homepage, I have a Vietnam link in which I have quite a few
links to Vietnamese pages including some pages from Vietnam... enjoy
URL: http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~kphan
Tran.
On Mon, 17 Mar 1997 listserv@csd.uwm.edu wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> Can anyone please tell me the vietnamese page on the web? I think I saw
> it somewhere before, it's got .vnd something but i can't remember now...:(
> Thank you!
> Regards,
> Ngu Tran
>
------------------------------
Topic No. 8
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 14:58:22 +0100 (MET)
From: Buulong Nguyen <buulong@dutmpw1.tudelft.nl>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: VNSA-L digest 274
Message-ID: <Pine.HPP.3.91.970318125448.27452A-100000@dutmpw3.tudelft.nl>
Dear Ho Hai,
It is nice to hear from you.
Thanks for your mail on commercialized education in VN.
You told mainly about Higher/University Education. Could you tell us
something about the situation in basic and secondary education? (I mean
"ca^'p 1" "ca^'p 2" va` "pho^? tho^ng Trung ho.c").
Looking forward to reading your new report (you wrote "ky` sau dda(ng
tie^'P", RIGHT?)
Take care, Buu-Long
------------------------------
Topic No. 9
Date: 18 Mar 1997 09:53 EST
From: "Thai Nguyen" <tinguyen@nortel.ca>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: re: [HELP] uudecode and uuencode an email from VN
Message-ID: <199703181524.JAA09204@batch1.csd.uwm.edu>
Thank you to all those who replied to my problem. It turned out that the friend
sent me an email formatted with MS Word and I'm on UNIX. Ok, now I'll have to
find a PC with Word ...:-)
------------------------------
Topic No. 10
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:36:39 +0700
From: Le Minh Trung <trung@ait.ac.th>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Just a joke
Message-ID: <332EB687.5E5E@ait.ac.th>
Reagan went along with Gorbachev on Red Square during his visit in
Soviet Union. Many people greeted him, and he saw many of them were
drunk.
He said: "I am surprised why there are so many drunk people in your
country? I've never seen in USA in such situation."
Gorbachev said: "I think drunk people are everywhere."
And when Gorbachev visited USA, he went with Reagan along a street. Many
people greeted him too. Gorbachev tried to look for some drunk people.
It took him a long time. And finally, at the end of the street, he find
out a drunk man. He pointed to him and said with Reagan: "You see we can
see drunk people in this country".
Reagan went to the drunk man. After talking for a while, he came back
with Gorbachev and said: "You are right. But I am not surprised, because
he is from Russian Embassy!"
--
Le Minh Trung
Asian Institute of Technology, STAR Program
P.O. Box 4 KlongLuang, Pathumthani 12120, Thailand
Internet: http://www.rsl.ait.ac.th/~trung/
Tel. (662) 524 5585 Fax. (662) 524 6147
------------------------------
Topic No. 11
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 07:46:27 -0800
From: Hai-Tri Le <haitril@microsoft.com>
To: "'VNSA'" <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Help!!! Questions about Cu. HCM
Message-ID: <A1A89B76BC87CF11925C00805FD4224C01CD0F80@RED-102-MSG.dns.microsoft.com>
Cha`o ca'c ba'c,
To^i vu+`a nha^.n ddu+o+.c mo^.t so^' ba'o VN do ba` chi. ...ruo^.t
go+?i cho. Trong so^' ba'o Tuo^?i Tre? Chu? Nha^.t so^' 7/97 (tu+` 24/2
- 2/3, 1997) co' dda(ng ba`i pho?ng va^'n DDa.i Tu+o+'ng Vo~ Nguye^n
Gia'p trang 17-18. Ba`i ba'o co' dda(ng mo^.t ta^'m hi`nh chu.p DDa.i
Tu+o+'ng Vo~ Nguye^n Gia'p va` cu. Ho^` Chi' Minh lu'c co`n tre? (tro^ng
DT VNG khoa?ng 30). Hi`nh dden tra('ng, co' da.ng nhu+ la` thie^.p hi`nh
(picture card) va` tre^n ddo' co' ca^u vie^'t "Best greetings from..."
va` 2 chu+~ ky' "vonguyengiap" va` "HuoChiMinh". That's right,
"HuoChiMinh". Chu+~ ky' ra^'t ro~, kho^ng pha?i to^i ddoa'n mo`. Va^.y
co' 3 ca^u ho?i cho ca'c ba'c :
1) Co' pha?i trong chu+~ Ha'n "Huo" la` Ho^` hay kho^ng ? Hay la` Hu+'a
?
2) Ne^'u pha?i thi` ta.i sao Chi' va` Minh la.i kho^ng vie^'t theo
kie^?u Ha'n ? (to^i kho^ng bie^'t vie^'t theo kie^?u Ha'n thi` no' se~
tha`nh gi`).
3) Trong ta^'t ca? ca'c ta`i lie^.u ve^` cu. Ho^` Chi' Minh ma` to^i
dda~ ddo.c ddu+o+.c thi` kho^ng he^` bao gio+` tha^'y te^n ddu+o+.c go.i
la` "Huo". Co' ba'c na`o bie^'t co' ta`i lie^.u na`o no'i khi na`o va`
trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p na`o cu. HCM du`ng ho. "Huo" ?
Tha`nh tha^.t ca'm o+n ca'c ba'c tru+o+'c nhe'.
HL
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Topic No. 12
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:03:21 -0600
From: ianb@sun670.telecom.tandem.com (Ian Bui)
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: And I quote...
Message-ID: <9703181603.AA02825@zoo.tpmsdev>
Ddang muo^'n ban` tie^p' va^n' dde^` VMLX la<'m nhu*ng bi.
tha<`ng chu? no' ddi` qua' ne^n phai? kha^'t la.i. Trong
khi cho*` ddo*.i tui co' cai' nay vui vui, go*i? la`ng
ddo.c cho*i#.
(A`, anh Ca, email me. Fort Worth is only an hour's drive
from where I live. Surely we can get together for a...
beer, maybe? :))
Ian
--------------------------------------
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> because I hate plants.
> -- A. Whitney Brown
> I think animal testing is a terrible idea; they get all nervous
> and give the wrong answers.
> -- A Bit of Fry and Laurie
> The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain,
> involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The
> hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing;
> 3. feeding; and 4. mating.
> -- Psychology professor in
> neuropsychology intro course
> What is a committee? A group of the unwilling, picked from the
> unfit, to do the unnecessary.
> -- Richard Harkness,
> The New York Times, 1960
> With every passing hour our solar system comes forty-three
> thousand miles closer to globular cluster 13 in the
> constellation Hercules, and still there are some misfits who
> continue to insist that there is no such thing as progress.
> -- Ransom K. Ferm
> A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely
> rearranging their prejudices.
> -- William James
> Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you to recognize a
> mistake when you make it again.
> -- F. P. Jones
> Human beings, who are almost unique in having the ability to
> learn from the experience of others, are also remarkable for
> their apparent disinclination to do so.
> -- Douglas Adams,
> 'Last Chance to See'
> As your attorney, it is my duty to inform you that it is not
> important that you understand what I'm doing or why you're paying
> me so much money. What's important is that you continue to do so.
> -- Hunter S. Thompson's
> Samoan Attorney
> Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent
> revolution inevitable.
> -- John F. Kennedy
> For three days after death, hair and fingernails continue to grow
> but phone calls taper off.
> -- Johnny Carson
> The most important thing in the programming language is the name.
> A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently
> invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable
> language.
> -- D. E. Knuth, 1967
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> avoiding you.
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> The mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.
> -- Plutarch
> Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone
> wrong?" Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than
> one night."
> -- Charlie Brown,
> _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]
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Topic No. 13
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:26:02 +0100 (MET)
From: Huyen Nguyen <Huyen.Nguyen@scinfo.u-nancy.fr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Help me!
Message-ID: <199703181626.RAA28283@pollux.scinfo.u-nancy.fr>
Xin cha`o ta^'t ca?,
To^i muo^'n ti`m ddi.a chi? email cu?a ba'o "Tuo^?i tre?" TP HCM, ne^'u ai
bie^'t xin chi? giu`m. Xin cha^n tha`nh ca?m o+n.
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Topic No. 14
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:59:50 GMT
From: huy.duong@ctsu.ox.ac.uk
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ta`u
Message-ID: <97031817595089@a2.ctsu.ox.ac.uk>
Cha`o anh Lam,
<<<Ca'c nha` pha^n ti'ch tho+`i su+. My~ cho ra(`ng nu+o+'c Ta`u ddang chia
ra la`m ba pha^`n: Pha^`n do.c bo+` bie^?n co' ca'c vu`ng kinh te^'
pho^`n thi.nh, thi. tru+o+`ng tu+. do, ddo+`i so^'ng cao, pha^`n thu+'
hai la` lu.c ddi.a ddo+`i so^'ng no^ng da^n tha^'p ho+n nhu+ng ta.m go.i
la`
ye^n o^?n. Vu`ng thu+' ba la` ca'c no+i ga^`n bie^n gio+'i go^`m ca'c
gio^'ng da^n thie^?u so^' , vu`ng ngu+o+`i theo dda.o Moslem, vu`ng
Tibet.
DDa^y la` nhu+~ng vu`ng co' tie^`m na(ng xa'o tro^.n trong tu+o+ng lai.>>>
Nhu+~ng vu`ng Xinjiang, Quinghai, Tibet, Inner Mogolia co' khuynh hu+o+'ng
-do`i -do^.p la^.p hay autonomy (kha'c sa<'c to^.c, va<n hoa', to^n gia'o, chi?
bi. chie^'m tu+` -do+`i Thanh hay sau) nhu+ng cha<'c kho^ng -du? nha^n lu+.c,
va` bi. ke^`m ke.p ne^n cha<'c kho^ng -du? su+'c ma.nh kinh te^'. Nhu+~ng vu`ng
na`y la.i co' nhie^`u qua<.ng mo?, co' the^? co' nhie^`u da^`u ho+n ca? Trung
-Do^ng, va` la` strategic buffer cho Ta`u ne^n Ta`u kho^ng nha? ra de^~ da`ng.
Va` ne^'u kinh te^' thua^.n lo+.i va` co' -du? tho+`i gian thi` da^n Ta`u se~
outnumber nhu+~ng da^n to^.c na`y tre^n chi'nh -da^'t cua? ho.
Nhu+ng ai bie^'t -du+o+.c la` da^n Afgan va` Chechen tha<'ng no^?i Nga.
Vo+'i ye^?m tro+. cua? kho^'i Ho^`i Gia'o, pha' hoa.i va` khu?ng bo^'
cua? da^n o+? -da^y co' the^? la`m ngu+o+`i Ta`u -die^n -da^`u.
Da^n o+? nhu+~ng vu`ng giu+~a pha^`n lo+'n la` Sinitic, co' chung mo^.t
chu+~ vie^'t va` li.ch su+? vo+'i nhu+~ng vu`ng ven bie^?n, cha<'c
kho^ng muo^'n -do`i -do^.c la^.p. Va? la.i, vu`ng na`y pha?i nu+o+ng tu+.a
va`o vu`ng ven bie^?n vi` nghe`o ho+n va` ca^`n trade routes ne^n cha<'c
muo^'n giu~ quan he^. to^'t vo+'i vu`ng ven bie^?n.
Vu`ng ven bie^?n co' the^? kho^ng thi'ch pha?i -do'ng thue^' -de^?
nuo^i vu`ng giu+~a, nhu+ng co' the^? da^n Ta`u ye^u nu+o+'c va` tha` chi.u
va^.y co`n ho+n ca<'t nu+o+'c ho. ra. The^m va`o -do', vu`ng ven bie^?n
over populated va` ra^'t vulnerable to ta^'n co^ng tu+` bie^?n, eg Western
colonials, Japan, tha^.m chi' la` Taiwan, ne^n vu`ng ven bie^?n se~ luo^n
ca?m tha^'y ca^`n vu`ng giu+~a -de^? la`m ha^.u phu+o+ng.
Co' the^? ye^n o^?n, capitalism, da^n chu?, kho^ng co' gi` -de doa. tu+`
be^n ngoa`i se~ la`m da^n ven bie^?n coi tro.ng tie^`n ho+n vu`ng giu+~a,
nhu+ng trong khi co`n mo^'i -de doa. thi` nhu+~ng nha` ca^`m quye^`n o+?
ven bie^?n se~ kho^ng bo? vu`ng giu+~a.
Huy
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Topic No. 15
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:38:19 +0100 (MET)
From: Tran Minh Tien <tran@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
Message-ID: <9703181838.AA24608@idefix.mpipks-dresden.mpg.de>
Xin lo^~i 2 ba'c Ho^`ng La^m va` Tro.ng Hoa`ng va` ca'c
ba'c kha'c nha\. To^i nhi`n nha^`m objectives tha`nh
objective. Ca'c ba'c delete giu`m message tru+o+'c ho^.
nha\.
Cheers, Tien.
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Topic No. 16
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:27:21 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: And I quote...
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970318202356.11727E-100000@berlioz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Ian Bui wrote:
>
> > The hypothalamus is one of the most important parts of the brain,
> > involved in many kinds of motivation, among other functions. The
> > hypothalamus controls the "Four F's": 1. fighting; 2. fleeing;
> > 3. feeding; and 4. mating.
> > -- Psychology professor in
> > neuropsychology intro course
>
Hi,
Ba'c Ian qu?a xu+'ng dda'ng la` su+ fu. tie^'ng Anh cu?a tui!!!
HLam
PS: I don't like Ddo^~ Kh's poem at all.
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Topic No. 17
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:38:57 +0100
From: Quoc-Lan Nguyen <Quoc-Lan.Nguyen@imag.fr>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: E-mail Bao Tuoi Tre
Message-ID: <199703181938.UAA03410@seth.imag.fr>
E-mail bao' Tuoi Tre: tuoitre@saigon.teltic.com.vn
Chuc ban may ma*n' ..:)
QLa^n
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Topic No. 18
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:15:23 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970318213759.11727G-100000@berlioz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Toa`n, Huy, and all,
Ca'i vu. Kan Tan ni la` ng` Ta`u ba('n 1 mu~i te^n nha('m 2 mu.c ddi'ch:
1- Phe tuo+'ng ta' TQ "giuo+ng ddo^ng ki'ch ta^y", dda'nh VN nhu+ng la`
dde^? cu?ng co^' the^' co+` cu?a ho. trong dda^'u tranh no^.i bo^. Chinese
elite tho+`i "sau-Dda(.ng".
2- Thu+? na('n ga^n VN sau khi va`o dda^`u na(m nay, VN ta(ng cuo+`ng
no'i chuye^.n ho+.p ta'c qua^n su+. vo+'i Nha^.t, Pha'p, My~, Nga, etc.
Vu. na`y cu~ng gio^'ng nhu+ vu. ta`u Maddox ho^`i 1964 cu?a My~ xa^m pha.m
vu`ng bie^?n VNDCCH. Lie^.u co' da^~n to+'i 1 su+. kie^.n vi.nh Ba('c bo^.
thu+' 2 k0, this is the question now.
Va^~n bie^'t chie^'n luo+.c cu?a TQ la` chie^"m ca? vu`ng bie^?n Ddo^ng
(South China Sea) la`m cu?a rie^ng, nhu+ng ta.i sao ho. la.i cho.n VN
la`m "ddo^.t pha' kha^?u" ?
1- VN la` "ma('t xi'ch ye^'u nha^'t" ve^` ma(.t ngoai giao va` quan he^.
quo^'c te^' trong 5 nuo+'c ddo^'i thu? vo+'i Ba('c kinh tranh cha^'p vu`ng
bie^?n Ddo^ng (VN, Taiwan, the Philippines, Malaysia, Brunei). VN k0 co' 1
hie^.p uo+'c an ninh chung vo+'i 1 cuo+`ng quo^'c na`o, trong khi Phi co'
hie^.p uo+'c vo+'i My~; Malay va` Brunei trong kho^'i Commonwelth, co'
hie^.p uo+'c vo+'i Anh. Tai wan thi` vu. eo bie^?n na(m ngoa'i, TQ vu+`a
ba('n ma^'y qu?a te^n lu+?a dda~ tha^'y ta`u chie^'n My~ u`n u`n ke'o
dde^'n.
2- VN tranh cha^'p nhie^`u nha^'t vo+'i TQ, ca? qdd Hoa`ng sa, toa`n bo^.
qd Truo+`ng sa. Hie^.n VN la` nuo+'c cho^'t nhie^`u vi. tri' nha^'t trong
qd TS (33 vi. tri' tre^n 21 dda?o chi`m no^?i), trong khi TQ chie^'m ho+n
10 dda?o, Phi. 8 da?o, Malay. 3 dda?o, Taiwan 1 dda?o (va` la` dda?o lo+'n
nha^'t).
Va^.y die^.t VN vu+`a de^~ ho+n ca? ma` ne^'u die^.t dduo+.c VN thi`
co' the^? ngo^`i xo^?m le^n ma(.t dda'm co`n la.i.
Dde^? ddo^'i pho' vo+'i chie^'n di.ch "ba('n ti?a" ni cu?a TQ, ca'i
phuo+ng tri`nh civil society vs dictatorship cu?a ba'c Huy cha(?ng gia?i
quye^'t dduo+.c gi` dda^u. The^' gio+'i ba^y gio+` k0 co`n pha^n chia theo
ideology nu+~a ma` thua^`n tu'y la` balance of power tho^i.
VN co' ma^'y "ddo^`ng minh tu+. nhie^n" trong vu. ddo^'i dda^`u TQ, la`
Japan, US, ASEAN. Ca'c ba'c na`y dde^`u ca^`n hoa` bi`nh dde^? co`n la`m
a(n kinh te^', va` dda(.c bie^.t ba'c Nha^.t k0 muo^'n tro^ng tha^'y TQ
kie^?m soa't ca? vu`ng bie^?n Ddo^ng, khi a^'y ba'c TQ se~ "cha(ng da^y
ba'n ve'", ta`u da^`u cu?a ba'c Nha^.t tu+` Trung Ddo^ng ve^` dde^`u pha?i
mua ve', va` ba'c Nha^.t tu+` ddo', muo^'n qua so^ng South China Sea pha?i
lu.y ddo` Beijing. Nhu+ng ngo^`i tre^n ddo^'ng va`ng (co' ma^'y ddo^`ng
minh tu+. nhie^n) k0 co' nghi~a la` dda~ no co+m a^'m ca^.t, co`n pha?i
bie^'t ddem va`ng ra cho+. ma` mua co+m ngon vo+'i a'o a^'m nu+~a.
Cheers,
Lam H Vu.
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Topic No. 19
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:38:48 +0100 (MET)
From: Hong Lam Vu <vuh000@goofy.zdv.Uni-Mainz.de>
To: Multiple recipients of list <vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu>
Subject: Re: Ti'nh ca'ch ngu+o+`i Vie^.t (half academic style)
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.3.95.970318223143.11727I-100000@berlioz.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE>
Hi ba'c Tie^'n,
Ba'c co' lo'i ngo.ng "ma(.t na." tha`nh "ma(.t la." k0 ddo'. Tui ho?i
tha`nh thu+.c vi` tui k0 hie^?u (va` cu~ng k0 ca?m dduo+.c) ca^u cuo^'i
cu?a ba'c.
Ca?m o+n ba'c ta(.ng ba`i tho+. Tui cu~ng no^?i thi hu+'ng ta(.ng chung
ca'c ba'c dda~ congratulated nha^n di.p tui "dduo+.c" la`m co^ng an
phuo+`ng ta.
Ba`i tho+ tu+.a dde^` "Va(n minh la`ng xa~"
Ba'u gi` ma?nh chie^'u sa^n ddi`nh
Cha(?ng ba(`ng xo' be^'p no+i mi`nh vo+'i ta
Cheers,
Lam H Vu
On Tue, 18 Mar 1997, Tran Minh Tien wrote:
> PS: A` se'm que^n, chu'c ba'c Ho^`ng La^m cho^~m che^. ma?nh chie^'u
> sa^n ddi`nh ha\. Chuye^'n na`y thi` va(n minh la`ng xa~ ca`ng vui
> ba'c nhi?\. Thi hu+'ng ta(.ng ba'c ba`i "Vo^ dde^`".
>
> Co' nhu+~ng ddie^`u kho^ng the^? no'i ra dda^u
> Nhu+~ng ca^u ho?i cha(?ng bao gio+` ddem ho?i
> Ta dda`nh ddo+.i tha'ng na(m se~ dde^'n
> Tro` cho+i na`o cha(?ng ke^'t
> ma(.t la. ro+i\.
>
>
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Topic No. 20
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:31:08 +1000
From: Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: YES IT'S 9867312
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970319093133.273f2ff6@gimr.garvan.unsw.edu.au>
Hello Hong, Dung and Trung,
Thank you all for your effort in solving the problem.
Geez! you are all smart girl and guys! Re: the problem is
that finding a seven-unique-digit number, which is divisible
by every digit in it, except zero, of course! Under this
condition, I think your solution of 9867312 is correct. I
guess the credit has to go to Thanh Hong first for her
initial working out, followed by Dung and Trung.
Here is another problem for you: Find the smallest
integer number N, so that N! is divisible by 7^100 [e.g. 7 to
the power of 100].
Thank you for your help and good luck with your study.
Tuan Nguyen
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Topic No. 21
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 09:31:39 +1000
From: Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: China & Vietnam
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970319093203.273f60be@gimr.garvan.unsw.edu.au>
Hello folks,
I tend to agree with anh Huy and Lam that China is
playing the card "giuo+ng ddo^ng ki'ch ta^y." For a first
time in modern China's history, the new and young generation
of Chinese leadership has no or little connection with the
Long March of Mao. In the eyes of the mass population, they
are no heroes. They are thus under pressure to create a an
image of nationalism. And, the best way of doing this is by
showing that they are "tough guys" by (i) harassing
neighbours in which Vietnam is one of their favourite
targets, and (ii) becoming aggressive and assertive with
traditional powers like the US (over human rights issue) and
the UK (over Hong Kong).
In the long term, SEA countries will experience more
bullying behaviors from China. There is no question that SEA
countries will be rich, but they should also unite to counter
against this bully fellow. It is needless to say that Vietnam
should become rich and hence can modernise her defence force.
Tuan V Nguyen
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Topic No. 22
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:18:40 -0800 (PST)
From: AnHai Doan <anhai@cs.washington.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Ba'o HN: So^' Pha^.n Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga
Message-ID: <Pine.ULT.3.93.970318160750.24563C-100000@june.cs.washington.edu>
Hi, ba'o Ha?i Ngoa.i (HN) vie^'t ve^` co^.ng ddo^`ng VN ta.i Nga.
Ha?i.----------------
Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Ta.i Nga Se~ Ve^` DDa^u\?
Trong so^' ho+n 2 trie^.u ngu+o+`i Vie^.t sinh so^'ng o+?
nu+o+'c ngoa`i , co^.ng ddo^`ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga mang
ti'nh cha^'t mo^.t xa~ ho^.i Vie^.t Nam thu
nho?, vo+'i dda^`y ddu? nhu+~ng dda(.c ti'nh cu?a xa~ ho^.i
Vie^.t Nam hie^.n ta.i .
Hie^.n nay, kho' co' the^? xa'c ddi.nh ddu+o+.c so^' lu+o+.ng
ngu+o+`i Vie^.t sinh so^'ng va` la`m a(n ta.i Nga\. Bo^. No^.i
Vu. Nga u+o+'c ddoa'n la` khoa?ng 100.000 ngu+o+`i, co`n DDa.i
su+' qua'n VN u+o+'c lu+o+.ng khoa?ng 50.000 ngu+o+`i\. Nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam dda^`u tie^n co' ma(.t tre^n dda^'t Nga tu+`
nhu+~ng na(m giu+~a tha^.p nie^n 30 vo+'i vie^.c mo^.t so^' ca'n
bo^. DDa?ng ddu+o+.c cu+? sang Nga hua^'n luye^.n chi'nh tri..
Tuy nhie^n, vie^.c thu+.c su+. hi`nh tha`nh mo^.t co^.ng ddo^`ng
ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ba('t dda^`u va`o giu+~a tha^.p ky? 80, khi
nhie^`u ho.c sinh du ho.c va` ngu+o+`i lao ddo^.ng Vie^.t Nam sang Nga.
Va`o nhu+~ng
na(m dda^`u tha^.p ky? 90, co^.ng ddo^`ng na`y la.i ddu+o+.c bo^?
sung ba(`ng nhu+~ng ddo+.t ngu+o+`i Vie^.t o^` a.t sang Nga theo
ca'c con ddu+o+`ng du li.ch, tha(m ngu+o+`i nha`, ba(`ng hi`nh
thu+'c ddi ho.c tu+. tu'c..., va` sau ddo' ho. o+? la.i . DDa^y
thu+.c su+. la` nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i bo? nu+o+'c ra ddi ,chi? co '
ddie^`u ho. kho^ng ddu+o+.c go.i la` "thuye^`n nha^n" ma` co'
le~ ne^n go.i la` "ma'y bay nha^n", vi` sang Nga chi? ddu+o+`ng
ha`ng kho^ng thi` mo+'i to+'i no+i\.
Ta.i Nga, sau khi che^' ddo^. co^.ng sa?n su.p ddo^?, o^ng Boris
Yeltsin le^n na('m quye^`n to^?ng tho^'ng, nu+o+'c Nga bu+o+'c
va`o tho+`i ky` mo+'i\. Trong khoa?ng tho+`i gian na`y,
cuo^.c so^'ng cua? co^.ng ddo^`ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga
tu+o+ng ddo^'i de^~ da`ng.
Do xa~ ho^.i Nga mo+'i ba('t dda^`u bo? bao ca^'p, chuye^?n
ddo^?i ne^`n kinh te^' ke^' hoa.ch ho'a sang ne^`n kinh te^' thi.
tru+o+`ng mo+'i trong giai ddoa.n ba('t dda^`u, ngu+o+`i Vie^.t
vo+'i su+. tinh kho^n cu?a mi`nh, ho+n nu+~a lu'c na`y chu+a co'
su+. hie^.n die^.n cu?a ngu+o+`i Ta`u tre^n dda^'t Nga, dda~
nhanh cho'ng thie^'t la^.p nhu+~ng ma.ng lu+o+'i buo^n ba'n
ro^.ng lo+'n, tie^u thu. nhu+~ng ha`ng may ma(.c re? tie^`n
cha^'t lu+o+.ng tha^'p sa?n xua^'t ta.i Vie^.t Nam to+'i nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i da^n Nga nhie^`u tha^.p ky? trie^`n mie^n thie^'u tho^'n
ha`ng tie^u du`ng va` dda~ thu ddu+o+.c nhu+~ng mo'n lo+.i lo+'n.
Hoa.t ddo^.ng kinh te^' cua? ngu+o+`i Vie^.t da^`n da^`n bi. thu
he.p la.i do su+. xa^m nha^.p thi. tru+o+`ng cua? ca'c thu+o+ng
gia Ta`u,Tho^? Nhi~ Ky`... va` tho+`i ky` hoa`ng kim cu?a co^.ng
ddo^`ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga ddo^.t ngo^.t cha^'m du+'t qua
su+. kie^.n go.i la` "ddo^m 5 mo+'i" va`o nga`y 19/5/93. Ca?nh
sa't dda(.c bie^.t Nga (go.i ta('t la` OMO^N) dda~ ba^'t ngo+`
ta^'n co^ng va`o trung ta^m buo^n ba'n lo+'n nha^'t cu?a ngu+o+`i
Vie^.t ta.i Nga lu'c ddo' vo+'i ly' do la` trung ta^m na`y
thie^'u thue^', ba(`ng nhu+~ng ha`nh ddo^.ng ba.o ha`nh vi pha.m
nghie^m tro.ng quye^`n con ngu+o+`i\. Ho. dda~ thu giu+~ toa`n
bo^. ha`ng ho'a tie^`n ba.c tu+ trang cua? ha`ng nga`n ngu+o+`i
Vie^.t nam co' ma(.t ta.i ddo' vo+'i to^?ng tri. gia' thie^.t
ha.i theo u+o+'c ti'nh le^n to+'i 40 trie^.u ddo^ la My~. Nghie^m
tro.ng ho+n nu+~a, ca?nh sa't dda~ co' nhu+~ng ha`nh ddo^.ng
dda'nh dda^.p vi pha.m to+'i tha^n the^? cu?a ngu+o+`i Vie^.t
nam. Su+. kie^.n na`y dda~ la`m cho ha`ng nga`n ngu+o+`i tro+?
ne^n ba`n tay
tra('ng trong phu't cho^'c, dda~ ta.o ne^n bie^'t bao bi ki.ch
ro+i nu+o+'c ma('t.
Hie^.n nay, ngu+o+`i Vie^.t nam ta.i Nga co' le~ la` nhu+~ng
ngu+o+`i va^'t va? nha^'t trong so^' ho+n 2 trie^.u ngu+o+`i
Vie^.t so^'ng xa que^ hu+o+ng. Ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga ve^`
ma(.t pha'p ly' va^~n la` co^ng
da^n Vie^.t Nam ne^n ve^` phi'a Nga ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga la`
kho^ng ho+.p pha'p. DDe^? ho+.p pha'p hoa' cho su+. hie^.n die^.n
cua? mi`nh tre^n dda^'t Nga, ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam pha?i dda(ng ky'
trong ca'c co^ng ty tra' hi`nh vo+'i chi phi' khoa?ng 2000 ddo^
la My~ mo^.t na(m. DDa^y la` mo^.t ga'nh na(.ng vo+'i nhie^`u
ngu+o+`i ne^n hie^.n nay co' chu+`ng 85% ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam ta.i
Nga la` kho^ng ho+.p pha'p.
Va^'n dde^` ngu+o+`i nu+o+'c ngoa`i ta.i Nga hie^.n nay la` mo^.t
va^'n dde^` ddau dda^`u cu?a chi'nh phu? Nga va` ho. va^~n chu+a
co' gia?i pha'p trie^.t dde^? cho chuye^.n na`y\. Ne^'u gia?i
quye^'t va^'n dde^` theo gu+o+ng nu+o+'c DDu+'c thi` qua' to^'n
ke'm, trong khi chi'nh phu? co`n no+. u+o+ng co^ng nha^n, vie^n
chu+'c dde^'n 9 ty? ddo^ la My~. Ne^'u gia?i quye^'t tho^ ba.o
nhu+ Ho^`ng Ko^ng thi` kho^ng dda'ng ma(.t mo^.t cu+o+`ng
quo^'c, se~ bi. ca? the^' gio+'i se~ le^n a'n. Bo+?i va^.y, ho.
nghi~ ra mo^.t chi'nh sa'ch "o+? giu+~a". DDo' la` ho. luo^n
luo^n ta.o cho ngu+o+`i ngoa.i quo^'c ta.i Nga mo^.t ca?m gia'c
ba^'t o^?n.
Ngu+o+`i nu+o+'c ngoa`i so^'ng trong mo^.t ba^`u kho^ng khi' thu`
ddi.ch, luo^n luo^n lo so+. bi. ca?nh sa't ba('t giu+~, xe't ho?i
ba^'t cu+' mo.i no+i, mo.i lu'c. Nha^n vie^n ca?nh sa't ba^.t
dde`n xanh cho ca'c ha`nh ddo^.ng cu+o+'p bo'c, la`m tie^`n
tra('ng tro+.n ddo^'i o+'i nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i ngoa.i quo^'c va`
ha^`u nhu+ kho^ng ba?o ve^. ho. tru+o+'c nhu+~ng ha`nh ddo^.ng
to^.i pha.m trong mo^.t xa~ ho^.i co' ty? le^. to^.i a'c cao
nha^'t the^' gio+'i na`y\. Mu.c ddi'ch cu?a ho. la` la`m cho
ngu+o+`i nu +o+'c ngoa`i ta.i dda^y dde^'n mo^.t lu'c na`o ddo'
kho^ng chi.u no^?i nu+~a se~ tu+. ddo^.ng ro+`i bo? nu+o+'c Nga\.
Mo^.t ddie^`u ra^'t ddau lo`ng la` ty? le^. tri' thu+'c cu?a
co^.ng ddo^`ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga ra^'t cao ma` ta^'t ca?
ho. dde^`u pha?i bon chen buo^n ba'n ha`ng nga`y\. Tri' thu+'c
kho^ng ddu+o+.c ha`nh nghe^` ma` ho. dda~ bo? bie^'t bao na(m
tha'ng tuo^?i tre? theo dduo^?i, dde^'n khi tha`nh ta`i la.i ra
cho+. ba'n ha`ng! DDa~ co' mo^.t ca^u to'm ta('t cho ti`nh tra.ng
na`y: "muo^'n to^? chu+'c ho.p Vie^.n khoa ho.c Vie^.t Nam, cu+'
ra cho+. tro+`i la` ddu? ma(.t, ddu? ban he^."!
Ta'c gia? muo^'n tho^ng qua ba`i vie^'t na`y go'p pha^`n la`m cho
co^.ng ddo^`ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t Nam tre^n the^' gio+'i bie^'t
dde^'n cuo^.c so^'ng cu?a nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i anh em cu`ng gio`ng
gio^'ng "con Ro^`ng cha'u Tie^n" tre^n dda^'t Nga,
nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i Vie^.t so^'ng o+? nu+o+'c ngoa`i nhu+ng la.i
kho^ng ddu+o+.c nu+o+'c so+? ta.i ddo'n nha^.n. Mong ra(`ng
ngu+o+`i Vie^.t o+? kha('p no+i se~ le^n tie^'ng go'p pha^`n thay
ddo^?i ca?nh ngo^. cua? ngu+o+`i Vie^.t ta.i Nga hie^.n nay\.
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Topic No. 23
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 16:38:14 -0800
From: Thu-Huong Tran <tran@robles.callutheran.edu>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Re: YES IT'S 9867312
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19970318163813.009d6e9c@robles.callutheran.edu>
The answer is N=679
TH
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At 04:39 PM 3/18/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Hello Hong, Dung and Trung,
>
> Thank you all for your effort in solving the problem.
>Geez! you are all smart girl and guys! Re: the problem is
>that finding a seven-unique-digit number, which is divisible
>by every digit in it, except zero, of course! Under this
>condition, I think your solution of 9867312 is correct. I
>guess the credit has to go to Thanh Hong first for her
>initial working out, followed by Dung and Trung.
>
> Here is another problem for you: Find the smallest
>integer number N, so that N! is divisible by 7^100 [e.g. 7 to
>the power of 100].
>
> Thank you for your help and good luck with your study.
>
>
> Tuan Nguyen
>
>
>
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Topic No. 24
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 11:49:56 +1000
From: Tuan V Nguyen <t.nguyen@garvan.unsw.edu.au>
To: vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: Looking for contacts
Message-ID: <1.5.4.16.19970319115021.2a4fbd88@gimr.garvan.unsw.edu.au>
Hello VNSA folks,
Can you help the following gentleman, who is looking for contacts in VN.
Tuan
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Frank Matthys
Boudewijnlaan 53
8300 Knokke Fax 0032 50 61.12.29
Belgium / Europe Frank.Matthys@ping.be
Good day,
I am looking for some places in Viet Nam where I can give concerts for
classical music.
So I like to have some names (+ address, telephone, fax, e-mail address, ...)
of cultural centers, or colleges, or universities, or theaters in Viet Nam
who have the place to organise musical manifestations.
If you would like to help me to find them, I would appriciate it very much.
Blue skies,
Frank.Matthys@ping.be
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Topic No. 25
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:06:30 +0900
From: Vu Thanh Ca <vuca@envi.env.civil.saitama-u.ac.jp>
To: viet-khsv@is.aist-nara.ac.jp, vnsa-l@csd.uwm.edu
Subject: VN News (Mar. 17-18, 1997)
Message-ID: <9703190105.AA14379@envi.env.civil.saitama-u.ac.jp>
Mar 18: Saigon authorities plan mass relocation
Mar 18: Vietnam and Cambodia sign police cooperation accord
Mar 18: Hanoi to keep pressure on China over offshore rig
Mar 18: Beijing's South China Sea oil exploration "incontestable": official
Mar 17: Vietnam Makes Progress in Child Protection
Mar 17: Canada may ask for clemency in Vietnam case
Mar 17: Shining example of Soviet-aided dam encourages Vietnam to build more
Mar 17: Police find arms hidden in central Vietnam home
Mar 17: Analysts puzzled as China moves into territorial fray with Vietnam
Tuesday - Mar 18, 1997
Saigon authorities plan mass relocation
by Pascale Trouillaud
HO CHI MINH CITY (AFP) - Festering canals lined
by decrepit corrugated iron shacks offer a powerful image
of chronic overpopulation here, where town-planners are
planning to relocate half a million people.
The plan -- aimed at reducing the population of the actual
city districts to three million by 2000 -- involves moving
residents to seven newly created districts on the
outskirts, overlapping neighbouring provinces.
But international agencies have sounded a warning to
authorities that the relocations could interfere with civil
liberties.
The total population of Ho Chi Minh City, formerly Saigon,
has soared to 5.5 million people, including its outlying
suburbs.
It could reach 8.2 million by 2010, an influx that began
during the Vietnam War and has been speeded up by the rapid
economic reforms of this southern industrial and business
hub.
The city's crumbling infrastructure is now under almost
intolerable pressure -- each resident has an average of 4.2
square metres (48 sqare feet) of living space.
"The greatest difficulty is finding the funds," said An
Dzung, director of the city's planning department. The
relocation scheme will cost an estimated 2.5 billion
dollars, scarcely half of which can be paid for
domestically.
"Then we need to build the infractructure to accomodate the
moved population -- roads, schools, hospitals, water and
electricity supply," he added.
Authorities have already targetted those who will be moved.
"The first to go will be those with no residence permit,"
Dzung said. But the issue is complex, given that some
Saigon residents who have worked in the city for over 20
years do not possess the appropriate document.
"The next to be moved will be residents in temporary
accomodation," and finally employees of polluting
industries.
"The companies will have to move, and so will their
workers." Finally, authorities want to "encourage young
people to go and live in the new suburbs to show a good
example and start their families there."
"We have to convince these people to move. If they do not
have resident permits, forcible relocation cannot be ruled
out," Dzung said.
"But we will do it differently now to 20 years ago," he
said, referring to previous failed attempts at relocating
hundreds of thousands of people to new economic zones
created in underdeveloped areas.
"Today those who agree to move to the suburbs can expect a
better life." For legal residents there will be
compensation for moving, ideally in the form of employment
and training. Each of the city's 12 districts are currently
compiling lists of people to be moved in conjunction with
local police.
"The methods they are using are perhaps not the most
efficient," said an official of the United Nations
Development Program (UNDP) in Hanoi.
"It would be more realistic to first move companies in
productive sectors rather than concentrating on movements
of population."
"Furthermore, all of this is very expensive and runs the
risk of interfering in individual freedoms," she said.
"But one cannot avoid social upheaval because Ho Chi Minh
City is developing rapidly," said Vo Kim Cuong, the city's
deputy chief architect.
"But almost everything is yet to be started," he conceded,
saying the new suburbs were still mostly abandoned fields
where "the water is too dirty to grow rice." At present,
only two roads are under construction.
Tuesday - Mar 18, 1997
Vietnam and Cambodia sign police cooperation accord
Hanoi (dpa) - The interior ministries of Vietnam and Cambodia have
signed an agreement to cooperate in criminal matters, according to an
official report here Tuesday.
The agreement was concluded during a four-day visit to Cambodia by
Vietnam's Interior Minister Le Minh Huong that ended this past Saturday.
``It is hoped that this agreement will pave the way for the gradual
expansion of co-operation between the two ministries,'' reported the
paper, without providing any substantive details of he accord.
Cambodia in the past has arrested and turned over to Hanoi authorities
overseas Vietnamese active in anti-communist organizations with offices
in Phnom Penh and it is unclear what has happened to some of these.
Cambodian officials recently arrested two Vietnamese-Americans - Lam
Phia and Tran Hung - who were reportedly active in the Viet Nam Tu Do
(Free Vietnam) organization.
``We do not allow any hostile activities carried out on Cambodian soil
against any other countries,'' Khieu Kanaharith, the Cambodia's foreign
ministry spokesman was reported to have told the Khmer-language
newspaper ``The Light'' in its March 8 issue.
Huong was elevated to the ruling Communist Party's Politburo, its
19-member inner circle, during last June's national party congress.
Huong met with top Cambodian leaders and had talks with co-Ministers
of the Interior and National Security, Sar Kheng and You Hokry, the
Vietnam News report added.
Tuesday - Mar 18, 1997
Hanoi to keep pressure on China over offshore rig
HANOI (Reuter) - Hanoi will keep diplomatic
pressure on China to halt drilling operations in a potentially
gas-rich offshore area which Vietnam claims as its own, a senior
official at the state oil and gas company said on Tuesday.
The Petrovietnam official, who declined to be named, said Hanoi
wanted to find a peaceful solution to the row which broke at the
weekend, but would continue to protest.
``Of course we continue (protesting) until they withdraw
from this area,'' he said. ``It's Vietnamese waters.''
Both countries laid claim on Monday to the area off the
central coast of Vietnam, where industry analysts say China has
been drilling for some time.
A spokesman for China's Foreign Ministry said the Kan Tan
III drilling rig was in Chinese waters and that its activities
were both normal and above reproach.
Vietnam said at the weekend it had formally protested to
Beijing over the drilling operation, demanding an immediate
withdrawal of the exploration vessel and accompanying tugs.
The official Vietnam News Agency said coastguards had
repeatedly cautioned the Chinese vessels that they were
encroaching on foreign territorial waters, but their warnings
were ignored. Vietnamese navy officials declined to comment on
the latest situation on Tuesday.
The Petrovietnam official said this was not the first time
that Hanoi had protested over Chinese drilling in an area which
is marked on Vietnamese maps as Block 113.
He said Petrovietnam had carried out a seismic survey itself
in Block 113 last year and had been planning to explore there at
a later stage.
Industry analysts, noting that Block 113 is partly
overlapped by a Chinese-designated block called LD28-1, say the
maritime border in that area is ill-defined.
Tuesday - Mar 18, 1997
Beijing's South China Sea oil exploration "incontestable": official
BEIJING (AFP) - China on Tuesday defended oil
exploration in the South China Sea against Vietnamese
criticism, saying its right to carry out such work was
"incontestable."
"Under the UN International Law of the Sea, the Chinese
continental shelf is China's exclusive economic zone," said
foreign ministry spokesman Cui Tiankai.
"The zone where Chinese exploration vessels are working is
in the northern part of the South China Sea, which is
within the continental shelf and economic zone," he added. <p>
China set up an exploration rig near to the disputed
Paracel Islands on March 7, drawing a strong protest from
Hanoi which also claims the islands.
"This work is normal and incontestable," Cui said.
China sparked widespread anxiety throughout Southeast Asia
in 1995 when it started staking physical claim to the large
sea areas throughout the South China Sea that it claims as
its own.
Tempers flared with Manila when Chinese navy vessels were
discovered close to the Philippine coast, and the situation
was only calmed by a string of high-level diplomatic forays
between China, the Philippines, Vietnam and Malaysia.
Monday - Mar 17, 1997
Vietnam Makes Progress in Child Protection
HANOI (Xinhua News) - Vietnam has made big progress in
protecting and caring children, but is still facing great challenges,
Vietnam News Agency (VNA) reported Sunday.
VNA quoted an representative of the United Nations Children's Fund
(UNICEF) to Vietnam as saying that Vietnam topped the UNICEF's global
national performance list last year since it has reduced under-five
children's mortality rate for the fourth successive year.
Over 85 percent of the under-one children are immunized every year
since 1991 and 98 percent vaccinated against polio.
The rate of malnutrition among under-five dropped to 44 percent last
year from 54 percent in 1991.
More than 85 percent of children at school age went to schools in 1995,
compared with only 75 percent in 1991.
However, Vietnam is still facing great challenges in child protection
and education. At present there are more than 16,000 street children in
Vietnam, many of whom are induced into prostitution, drug abuse and
robbery.
Monday - Mar 17, 1997
Canada may ask for clemency in Vietnam case
OTTAWA (Reuter) - Canada may ask Vietnam to grant clemency to a Canadian
woman sentenced to death for drug trafficking in Vietnam, a government
spokeswoman said on Monday.
``The Canadian government will consider seeking clemency on humanitarian
grounds for (Nguyen Thi) Hiep should the death sentence be upheld, after
the judicial process has run its course,'' said Valerie Noftle, a
spokeswoman for Canada's foreign affairs department.
Noftle said the Canadian government would wait to see if Hiep appealed her
ruling before it proceeded with its clemency request.
Hiep, of Montreal, was sentenced to death earlier on Monday and her
Vietnamese mother was given a life prison sentence by a Hanoi court. The
pair was arrested last April at Hanoi airport as they checked in for a
flight to Hong Kong.
They were charged with attempting to take 12 pounds (5.45 kg) of heroin out
of the country, a Canadian diplomat in Hanoi said. Under Vietnamese law,
trafficking in as little as 2.2 pounds (one kg) of heroin is punishable by
death.
Hiep has 15 days to appeal the sentence.
The Canadian embassy has asked to visit Hiep as soon as possible to see if
she plans to appeal, Noftle said in a phone interview. But Hiep, 40, is also
Vietnamese and ``Vietnam does not recognise dual nationals,'' Noftle said.
Vietnamese officials have refused previous visits on that basis, she said.
``As far as they're concerned, she's Vietnamese.''
Canada had a representative at Hiep's trial, Noftle said.
Monday - Mar 17, 1997
Shining example of Soviet-aided dam encourages Vietnam to build more
By Ken Stier
Hanoi (dpa) - Ask a Russian what was the single greatest legacy of
Soviet aid to Vietnam and the predictable answer will be the Hoa Binh
Dam, still the largest in Southeast Asia.
Most Vietnamese, especially those in the flood-prone northern delta
area, would probably agree.
By taming the Black River (Song Da), northern Vietnam's second largest
river system, the dam helped curb punishing flooding that had been the
bane of life in this area for thousands of years.
The capital city, 70 kilomeres to the east, was menaced by annual
floods from these waters after they merged into the larger Red River
which passes by Hanoi.
As an added benefit, northern cities for the first time were assured a
reliable supply of electricity. With 1920 MW capacity there was plenty
left over and roughly 40 per cent of the plant's output is carried for
use in the power-hungry south.
With control over the huge flow of water (9.5 billion cubic metres)
the dam improved inland riverine shipping and prevents salinization
along the coast - besides helping irrigation.
With such a record it is little wonder that Vietnam is thinking of
building more dams with several under construction.
``We have just begun to use hydropower and we have a lot of rivers,''
says Pham Van Tuu, vice director of the Hoa Binh Hydropower Factory.
Indeed 46 dam sites have ben identified by various agencies. In a
report for the Asian Development Bank, Norwegian consultants,
Norconsult, recommended a total of 18 dams in Vietnam.
The World Bank has come up with ten ``promising'' possibilities in
south-central Vietnam, which could have a combined output of 2,400
megawatts.
There are already five dams currently under construction with
assistance from Russia, the Ukraine, the Czech Republic and Japan's
Overseas Economic Cooperation Fund (OECF).
So far none are as grand as the one billion dollar-plus Hoa Binh dam,
which recently was blessed with an 18-metre high statue of leader Ho Chi
Minh on a hill overlooking this impressive achievement of socialist
collaboration.
Tuu says the dam has a productive life span of 150 years (others
estimate siltation will cut this to 50 years) and that there have no
real problems.
Cao Hong Tu, 48, a decorated war hero, who lives just behind the dam
on the 230 kilometre-long lake it has created, does not quite agree.
When inundation began in 1982 he had to abandon highly productive wet
rice-land along the banks of the Black River his family worked for
generations and move up the surrounding mountains to try to eke out a
livelihood on steep, rain-fed slopes.
In the pre-doi moi (economic reform) days land was held communally so
government compensation was just for the family house, a small garden
and to cover moving costs.
Bureaucratic red-tape made sure the state pittance was unhelpfully
stretched out over several yers. A 1985 currency crisis wiped out 90 per
cent of the remaining value.
Only some 15 years later his life stabilized to a pre-dam level but in
good comradely fashion he is not revealing any bitterness.
``If I only think of myself then I wish the dam had not been built but
I have to think of the good of the whole country,'' he says in his
two-room make shift bamboo house, light by a single bulb.
Roughly 60,000 others were similiarly displaced, say researchers of
the dam re-settlement and not all are as magnanimous as Tu. Some ethnic
minorities complained to researchers that their life had gone
``backwards'' and was even easier under the harsh French colonail rule.
Some were so desperate they opted to move 1500 kilometres to southern
New Economic Zones - a drastic step for minorities living close to the
land for centuries.
Subsequent studies of the social costs to the upstream comunities have
highlighted the government's centralized management as an exacerbating
factor.
``The total lack of involvement of affected people in resettlement
planning from the beginning precluded decision-makers from an
understanding of the realities of reconstructing livelihoods in
unfamiliar agro-ecological environments,'' concluded Georgina Houghton,
an Australian researcher who studied affected communities over a
two-year period.
Vietnamese officials say they are more conscious of such
considerations, including higher environmental standards. But they
certainly do not appear to be uppermost in their minds.
On a Swedish-funded dam Vietnamese officials wanted to press on with
construction without doing an environment impact assessment (EIA) which
had been made mandatory here since Stockholm first agreed to the
project. And in the interview with Tuu, the Hoa Binh director, he
recalls only 5-6,000 people upstream as affected by the dam.
The biggest plan on the drawing board is the a 3,200 MW dam in Son La
upstream from from Hoa Binh which could displace 130,000 people, mostly
ethnic minorities.
The price tag is about three billion dollars but major bilateral and
multilateral donors say they are unlikely to get involved with such a
controversial project.
Partly as a result of this officials expect the percentage of
Vietnam's electricity coming from hydropower - more then 60 per cent now
- to decline as the country brings on line more manageable coal-fired
plants in the north and gas-fired plants in the south.
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